Re: Updated Gnu tools manpages, maybe you'd like to know? ('gnumaniak')

2002-01-08 Thread Soren Andersen

On 7 Jan 2002 at 13:11, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:

Soren Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   creating more updated man pages for (many of the core) Gnu apps we use ...
  http://www.userfriendly.net/linux/RPM/contrib/noarch/noarch/gnumaniak-1. 
4-1.noarch.html

 ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/docs/man-pages/
 ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/docs/man-pages/gnumaniak-1.5.tar.gz

 But this file is about two years old...probably are the most
 manpages at your current Cygwin installation more up to date;)

I wonder about how we would know that. Oh, I suppose someone could get very serious 
and look at each page 
for a revision date (I don't know `man' well enough to be 100% sure, but I think I 
recall that a revision date is 
part of the formatting...). My point is however, if GNU say they are no longer trying 
to keep man pages current, 
then how can we know how out-of-date any arbitrary one might be? maybe you have inside 
information (by 
inside I mean access to facts about GNU which are not first-glance general knowledge 
or something like 
that). If you do have a specific reason to believe you know (i don't mean to sound 
combative, you just didn't 
support your contention with anything, leaving -- imho -- a question in the reader's 
mind) that the Cygwin-
installed apps' man-pages are going to be more current than something dated in 1999 or 
2000, pls tell me.

  Thanks --for the urls, great! ,
Soren Andersen


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Re: Updated Gnu tools manpages, maybe you'd like to know? ('gnumaniak')

2002-01-08 Thread Robert Collins

- Original Message -
From: Soren Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On 8 Jan 2002 at 22:03, Robert Collins wrote:

  Given that info documentation can be converted to manpages, I see
little
  reason to maintain man pages separately.

 Over the course of using cygwin in the past, `info' wouldn't always
work
 for me. Maybe some flag or .rc file hadn't been set, whatever. It does
work
 now.

Yes, I know. Remember that I'm writing my emails in the context of what
has been fixed. info is a known previous issue, and the packaging
guidelines explicitly mention handling of info pages.

 Just because something can (in abstract principle) be done, doesn't
 always mean *everyone* currently can or (more to the point) knows
how.
 That's the whole point of binary distros of any[open-source]thing, is
it
 not? So that people can focus on what they are most interested in
 developing or using?

Do you want a philsophical discussion on the english language? I presume
you simply missed the point of my comment. Packages such as bash
(picking one at random) have 'up to date' manpages. I believe (haven't
checked the Makefile) they achieve this by virtue of converting their
info documentation to man pages, not by manually updating the man pages.

So it doesn't matter if everyone can. It matters if the package
maintainers can. It doesn't matter if only the upstream package
developers know how, their makefiles do it for the package maintainers
(most of the time).

 general policy we could be informed about, that would hold true most
of the
 time, regarding how out-of-date the manpages might be? Someone reading
this
 might know.

There is no policy regarding manpages for packages in the cygwin net
distribution at this point in time. Common sense prevails.

Rob


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Re: Updated Gnu tools manpages, maybe you'd like to know? ('gnumaniak')

2002-01-07 Thread Gerrit P. Haase

 Soren,

2002-01-07 12:54:36, du schriebst:

 I checked the archives and didn't see signs that this was
 previously known: I came across a project (gnumaniak)
 that is creating more updated man pages for (many of the
 core) Gnu apps we use ...

 
http://www.userfriendly.net/linux/RPM/contrib/noarch/noarch/gnumaniak-1.4-1.noarch.html

ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/docs/man-pages/
ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/docs/man-pages/gnumaniak-1.5.tar.gz

But this file is about two years old...probably are the most
manpages at your current Cygwin installation more up to date;)


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new german manpages (was: Re: Updated Gnu tools manpages, maybe you'd like to know? ('gnumaniak'))

2002-01-07 Thread Gerrit P. Haase

Gerrit,

2002-01-07 13:19:23, du schriebst:

 But this file is about two years old...probably are the most
 manpages at your current Cygwin installation more up to date;)

BTW, there are also NEW german manpages:

Begin4
Title:  manpages-de
Version:0.4
Entered-date:   2002-01-01

Description:German manpages for GNU/Linux
This packaage contains German translations of manpages
from the man-pages packages as well as some commonly
used section 1 manpages from other packages.
Keywords:   man pages german
Author: joey at infodrom.org (Martin Schulze)
Maintained-by:  joey at infodrom.org (Martin Schulze)
Primary-site:   http://www.infodrom.org/projects/manpages-de/download/
475kB  manpages-de-0.4.tar.gz
1kB  manpages-de-0.4.lsm
Alternate-site: ftp.ibiblio.org /pub/Linux/docs/man-pages/
Copying-policy: several; all freely distributable
End

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