Numlock Capslock change status on focus in xterm

2008-11-19 Thread Dont Care
Hi all.

I updated Cygwin yesterday, I had no problem before.

In xterm, both Numlock and Capslock modifiers are changing status by
gaining focus.

If Capslock is off, there is no problem : xterm stay in lowercase. If
it is on, gaining focus make change the status (first Alt-tab=off,
second Alt-tab=on, etc.). Same thing with Numlock.

Some infos about my installed versions :

$ xterm -version
Cygwin 6.8.99.903(237)

]$ X -version
Welcome to the XWin X Server
Vendor: The Cygwin/X Project
Release: 1.5.3.0 (10503000)

Contact: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com

$ cygcheck -s
[...]
Cygwin DLL version info:
DLL version: 1.5.25
DLL epoch: 19
DLL bad signal mask: 19005
DLL old termios: 5
DLL malloc env: 28
API major: 0
API minor: 156
Shared data: 4
DLL identifier: cygwin1
Mount registry: 2
Cygnus registry name: Cygnus Solutions
Cygwin registry name: Cygwin
Program options name: Program Options
Cygwin mount registry name: mounts v2
Cygdrive flags: cygdrive flags
Cygdrive prefix: cygdrive prefix
Cygdrive default prefix:
Build date: Thu Jun 12 19:34:46 CEST 2008
CVS tag: cr-0x5f1
Shared id: cygwin1S4
[...]
Cygwin Package Information
Package Version
_update-info-dir00780-1
alternatives1.3.30c-2
ash 20040127-4
base-files  3.7-1
base-passwd 2.2-1
bash3.2.39-20
binutils20080624-2
bzip2   1.0.5-2
coreutils   6.10-2
crypt   1.1-1
csih0.1.8-1
cvs 1.11.22-1
cygrunsrv   1.34-1
cygutils1.3.2-1
cygwin  1.5.25-15
cygwin-doc  1.4-4
diffutils   2.8.7-1
e2fsprogs   1.35-3
editrights  1.01-2
expat   2.0.1-1
file4.21-1
findutils   4.4.0-3
font-alias  1.0.1-1
font-bitstream-dpi751.0.0-1
font-bitstream-vera-ttf 1.10-1
font-cursor-misc1.0.0-1
font-encodings  1.0.2-1
font-misc-misc  1.0.0-1
fontconfig  2.6.0-1
freetype2   2.3.7-1
gawk3.1.6-1
gcc 3.4.4-3
gcc-core3.4.4-3
gcc-g++ 3.4.4-3
gcc-mingw-core  20050522-1
gcc-mingw-g++   20050522-1
gdb 6.8-2
gettext 0.17-1
grep2.5.3-1
groff   1.19.2-2
gzip1.3.12-2
less382-1
libbz2_11.0.5-2
libdb4.54.5.20.2-2
libexpat0   1.95.8-2
libexpat1   2.0.1-1
libexpat1-devel 2.0.1-1
libfontconfig1  2.6.0-1
libfontenc1 1.0.4-2
libfreetype2-devel  2.3.7-1
libfreetype26   2.3.7-1
libgdbm41.8.3-8
libGL1  7.2-2
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libiconv2   1.12-1
libintl10.10.40-1
libintl20.12.1-3
libintl30.14.5-1
libintl80.17-1
libncurses7 5.3-4
libncurses8 5.5-3
libpcre07.8-1
libpixman1_00.12.0-1
libpopt01.6.4-4
libreadline65.2.12-10
libSM6  1.1.0-1
libwrap07.6-4
libX11_61.1.5-1
libXau6 1.0.4-1
libXaw7 1.0.4-2
libxcb-xlib01.1-2
libxcb1 1.1-2
libXdmcp6   1.0.2-3
libXext61.0.4-1
libXft1 1.0.0-1
libXft2 2.1.13-1
libxkbfile1 1.0.5-2
libXmu6 1.0.4-1
libXmuu11.0.4-1
libXpm4 3.5.7-2
libXrender1 0.9.4-2
libXt6  1.0.5-2
lndir   1.0.1-2
login   1.9-8
luit1.0.3-1
make3.81-2
man 1.6e-1
mingw-runtime   3.15.1-1
minires 1.01-1
mkfontdir   1.0.4-1
mkfontscale 1.0.5-1
openssh 5.1p1-9
openssl 0.9.8i-1
pcre7.8-1
perl5.10.0-5
rebase  2.4.4-1
rgb 1.0.3-1
run 1.1.10-1
rxvt20050409-9
sed 4.1.5-2
tar 1.20-1
tcltk   20080420-1
termcap 20050421-1
terminfo5.5_20061104-1
texinfo 4.8a-1
tzcode  2008a-1
util-linux  2.13.1-2
vim 7.2-3
w32api  3.12-1
wget1.11.3-1
which   2.19-1
wtf 0.0.4-6
X-startup-scripts   1.1.0-2
xauth   1.0.3-1
xcursor-themes  

RE: Upgrade failed now remote X11 fails :-(

2008-11-19 Thread Duane Ellis
Duane Ellis wrote:
 Duane Ellis wrote:

 ===

 [upgrade cygwin/X fails] [various attachments...] To be clear: It
 worked before - just fine until I upgraded

 Jon Turney Can you try again without -clipboard in your Jon
 Turney script just to rule something out?

 Hmm without -clipboard I cannot cut/paste between the two machines
 (ie:cygwin/x and windows) But it *DOES* make a difference, I can now
 SSH into the system.

Jon turney Just to be clear, when you remove -clipboard, you are able to 
run up startx successfully?

Yes, that is exactly the problem.

duane You asked what version of KDE I'm using...
duane The program: kded --version reports
duane Qt: 3.3.3 KDE:3.3.1-3.14 Red Hat

Jon Thanks.  Maybe I can find a RH image of that vintage to do some testing 
with...

FYI - The machine runs RHEL4

I believe

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AW: openbox scrambled after xorg 7.4 update

2008-11-19 Thread Voelker, Bernhard
Yaakov wrote:

 Voelker, Bernhard wrote:
  my openbox window manager is not usable anymore: the menues, window
  titles etc. are not rendered correctly and can't be read anymore.
  
  Is openbox supported with the new xorg version?
  Any other ideas?
 
 http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2008-11/msg00079.html

Yaakov

oops, thanx.

In the meantime, I guess  I'll use blackbox - this still works fine ;-)
http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/

and a cygwin binary:
http://www.stokebloke.com/cygwin/index.php

Have a nice day,
Berny

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X11R7 and rebasing

2008-11-19 Thread Angelo Graziosi

I have seen that after the release of X11R7, many problems are partially
resolved by rebasing. Some time ago, I remember that on cigwin-apps list
there was the suggestion that the package maintainer should build their
packages adding '-Wl,--enable-auto-image-base' for DLLs.

Has this be done for the recent release?

If 'yes', just for curiosity, where, than, this need of rebasing comes from?


Thanks,
   Angelo.

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startx doesn't if $HOME contains white spaces

2008-11-19 Thread ludo

Hello,

my $HOME is :
$ echo $HOME
/c/Documents and Settings/patrick.PRO2204

when I start 'startx'
$ startx
/usr/bin/startx: line 38: [: too many arguments
/usr/bin/startx: line 107: [: too many arguments

Welcome to the XWin X Server
Vendor: The Cygwin/X Project
Release: 1.5.3.0 (10503000)

Contact: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com

XWin was started with the following command line:

/usr/bin/X :0 -auth /c/Documents and
Settings/patrick.PRO2204/.serverauth.3056

Unrecognized option: and
use: X [:display] [option]


I think that white spaces in my $HOME directory name causes the problem.

I patch startx on lines 38 and 107
   if [ -f $userclientrc ]; then
   if [ -f $userserverrc ]; then  
but this is not enough ...


does anybody encounters the same problem ?

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Re: X11R7 and rebasing

2008-11-19 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Nov 19 14:30, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
 I have seen that after the release of X11R7, many problems are partially
 resolved by rebasing. Some time ago, I remember that on cigwin-apps list
 there was the suggestion that the package maintainer should build their
 packages adding '-Wl,--enable-auto-image-base' for DLLs.

 Has this be done for the recent release?

 If 'yes', just for curiosity, where, than, this need of rebasing comes 
 from?

--enable-auto-image-base is not a 100% solution because there is none.
It just can ease the pain somewhat.


Corinna

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Re: startx doesn't if $HOME contains white spaces

2008-11-19 Thread ludo

Marco Atzeri a écrit :

--- ludo  ha scritto:

  

...

it is not a good idea:

http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.using.filename-spaces
  

thanks for the link


now ... startx works well


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Re: X11R7 and rebasing

2008-11-19 Thread Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)
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Angelo Graziosi wrote:
 I have seen that after the release of X11R7, many problems are partially
 resolved by rebasing. Some time ago, I remember that on cigwin-apps list
 there was the suggestion that the package maintainer should build their
 packages adding '-Wl,--enable-auto-image-base' for DLLs.
 
 Has this be done for the recent release?
 
 If 'yes', just for curiosity, where, than, this need of rebasing comes
 from?

libtool.


Yaakov
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RE: startx doesn't if $HOME contains white spaces

2008-11-19 Thread Phil Betts
Marco Atzeri wrote on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:49 PM::

 --- ludo  ha scritto:
 
 my $HOME is :
 $ echo $HOME
 /c/Documents and Settings/patrick.PRO2204
 
 
 it is not a good idea:
 
 http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.using.filename-spaces
 
 
 I think that white spaces in my $HOME directory name causes the
 problem. 

 [...]

 does anybody encounters the same problem ?
 
 
 of course, for this reason we don't do it :-)
 
 my $HOME in cygwin is /home/marco
 

If you wish cygwin to use /c/Documents and Settings/patrick.PRO2204
rather than setting up a separate $HOME directory, you could just
use mount:

mount $USERPROFILE /home/patrick

Then edit your /etc/passwd file to set your home directory to 
/home/patrick.  You $HOME would now be /home/patrick for cygwin
programs, and Windows can continue using its Hey! Now that we 
*can* have spaces in filenames, let's use them EVERYWHERE! 


Phil
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RE: startx doesn't if $HOME contains white spaces

2008-11-19 Thread Duane Ellis
FYI -

While I agree with you it is not a good idea reality makes life hard.

There are times - due to corporate policy etc - a user has no control over this.

It would be helpful - if for cygwin, one would write scripts pre-emptively 
knowing that this problem can occur, it's not hard - it just means 
pre-emptively wrapping a few things in quotes.

Often, end users have little control over the way corporate systems configure 
PCs.

Alternatively, one could get the Cygwin Setup.exe people to recognize this 
problem and either (1) issue a *BIG*FAT*WARNING* when the system is installed, 
updated, etc, or (2) forcably some how - make $HOME something safe.

I for one, had to figure out that SSH refuses to work if certain files are on 
windows server and not local to the machine.

-Duane.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Betts
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:32 AM
To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: startx doesn't if $HOME contains white spaces

Marco Atzeri wrote on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:49 PM::

 --- ludo  ha scritto:

 my $HOME is :
 $ echo $HOME
 /c/Documents and Settings/patrick.PRO2204


 it is not a good idea:

 http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.using.filename-spaces


 I think that white spaces in my $HOME directory name causes the
 problem.

 [...]

 does anybody encounters the same problem ?


 of course, for this reason we don't do it :-)

 my $HOME in cygwin is /home/marco


If you wish cygwin to use /c/Documents and Settings/patrick.PRO2204 rather than 
setting up a separate $HOME directory, you could just use mount:

mount $USERPROFILE /home/patrick

Then edit your /etc/passwd file to set your home directory to /home/patrick.  
You $HOME would now be /home/patrick for cygwin programs, and Windows can 
continue using its Hey! Now that we
*can* have spaces in filenames, let's use them EVERYWHERE!


Phil
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Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Eric Roode
I updated my cygwin the other day, as I periodically do, and I am very
sorry I did so.  Here are some of the problems I have encountered.

1) Couldn't start cygwin X at all.  The link on my desktop pointed to
a script (which I had customized) in /usr/X11R6/bin, which was deleted
by the upgrade.  It took me a while to find the replacement --
mysteriously moved to /usr/bin, minus my customizations.

2) Fonts I had added no longer work.  Everything looks fine in
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts.  Messed around there for a while, to no
avail.  After much Googling, found that the fonts have been moved to
/usr/share/fonts.

3) While trying to figure out why my fonts weren't working, I
naturally tried to use xfontsel.  bash: xfontsel: command not found.
 WHAT?!  It turns out that it's now in its own cygwin package, as are
about a billion other useful utilities that have been deleted without
warning.

4) xterms all now have a useless, annoying menu at the top.  I want to
make it go away.  Had to wade through the xterm manual to learn that
this is apparently called a toolbar and is now on by default.

I am extremely annoyed.  I have lost many hours of productivity just
trying to get back to where I was on Monday, and I'm still not there.
The worst part of it is that I (and probably most cygwin users out
there) was completely blindsided, and there was no post-upgrade help
to be found.  What's on the news page at cygwin.com?  A kernel
upgrade in June.  Before that, a kernel upgrade in May, and one in
March. Nothing new in the FAQ.  No announcement of a change that's
going to screw up your whole system.

At x.cygwin.com, things are even worse. Last updated: 2004-01-10 0200
EST (Harold L Hunt II).  Not helpful.  There is a short note at the
bottom of the main page directing people to the mailing list
announcement. It contains useful information such as before you
upgrade, do this and that and the other thing.  Wish I had known
about some of those before I upgraded!  It also notes without
explanation that most programs are in their own packages now.  This is
terribly inconvenient to us ordinary users.

My xterms are screwed up.  Numlock is very wonky:  Let's say I start
off with numlock on; I am in a Windows (non-X) window; I switch to an
xterm; I use the numeric keypad to type; I get nothing (tildes, escape
codes, non-numlock crap).  I switch to another xterm, I type on the
keypad, I get digits.  I switch back to the first xterm, it's still
acting as though numlock is off.  I switch to a Windows window, then
back to the first xterm.  Now it behaves as though numlock is on.  I
switch to the second xterm window, *it* is behaving as though numlock
is off.  All this time, the numlock LED is lit.  I can consistently
repeat this.

xfontsel is broken.  The main part of the window does not redraw
itself when dropdown menus disappear, so you wind up with large
portions of old menus cluttering the client area.  Several of the
fonts are rendered with a broken, crappy look.  As far as I can tell,
this is not a problem with the font iself -- but who knows!

I am sure that the cygwin X developers put a great deal of time and
effort into this upgrade.  And I honestly appreciate the work that
they do.  Being a contributor to open-source software myself, I can
appreciate what they go through.  But this upgrade was surely poorly
thought-out.  I am not a cygwin developer; I am not really even a
cygwin power user, although I will not -- cannot -- use Windows
without cygwin.  So I am not subscribed to the cygwin mailing lists.
I just run setup.exe periodically to get patches.  It should not have
re-architected my whole damn system without warning.

Eric

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:03:11AM -0500, Eric Roode wrote:
I updated my cygwin the other day, as I periodically do, and I am very
sorry I did so.  Here are some of the problems I have encountered.

So you just blindly updated without noticing that X was changing?  Wow.
It's amazing that you aren't being constantly burned by software updates
with that kind of optimistic attitude.

cgf

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Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Eric Roode
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:26:11 -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:03:11AM -0500, Eric Roode wrote:
I updated my cygwin the other day, as I periodically do, and I am very
sorry I did so.  Here are some of the problems I have encountered.

So you just blindly updated without noticing that X was changing?  Wow.
It's amazing that you aren't being constantly burned by software updates
with that kind of optimistic attitude.

Yeah, trust the developers.  How *could* I have been so stupid?

For the record, yes I upgrade all the time.  I happen to think it's
good practice to get regular patches.  In general, developers don't
push through upgrades that break everything.  I'm surprised (and
annoyed, and angry) that this wasn't the case this time.

Thanks for blaming the victim!

Eric

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Dont Care
I have the same Numlock/Capslock issue (see my previous post).

Stop fighting about this, it doesn't help ! Please, does anybody have
a solution ??

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tetex-x11, texlive, xdvi, and X11R7.4

2008-11-19 Thread Ken Brown
I mentioned in a different thread [1] that I've been trying to build 
texlive for X11R7.4.  Angelo Graziosi had previously built it 
successfully [2] using the previous version of X11.  [His build still 
works in X11R7.4 if one installs the obsolete libXaw8 package.]  I'm now 
able to get my build to complete, but the resulting xdvi program 
segfaults.  More precisely, it first spews out many warnings that say


   No type converter registered for '' to '

and then it segfaults.  I can run xdvi --version and xdvi --help without 
a problem, but calling xdvi with no argument or with a specified dvi 
file both produce the segfault.  BTW, xdvi can be compiled to use either 
xaw or motif, and I get the same behavior either way.


There is a cygwin version of xdvi in the tetex-x11 package, which Yaakov 
[3] listed as one of the packages that needs to be rebuilt for the new 
X11.  I'm wondering whether the tetex maintainer is planning to do 
this.  Note that tetex is actually way out of date, having been replaced 
in the tex community by texlive (or by the windows miktex program), but 
I'm hoping that someone more expert than I am will track down the xdvi 
problem in the course of rebuilding tetex-x11.  A better long-term 
solution would be for someone to make an official texlive package for 
cygwin, but that's a much bigger project.


Finally, I would appreciate any suggestions that anyone can offer as to 
how I can figure out why xdvi segfaults.  I'm not a programmer, and I 
have no idea where to begin.  I did try strace, but I don't know what I 
should be looking for in the output.  Here are all the lines containing 
the word exception, if that helps:


--- Process 2444, exception C005 at 610DEFA1
 423 1298097 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: In 
cygwin_except_handler exc 0xC005 at 0x610DEFA1 sp 0x22CC44
  60 1298157 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: In 
cygwin_except_handler sig 11 at 0x610DEFA1
  37 1298194 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: In 
cygwin_except_handler calling 0x0
  38 1298232 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: 
Exception: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION

--- Process 2444, exception C005 at 61016583
1927954 3226967 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: In 
cygwin_except_handler exc 0xC005 at 0x61016583 sp 0x22C738
 160 3227127 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: In 
cygwin_except_handler sig 11 at 0x61016583
  82 3227209 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: In 
cygwin_except_handler calling 0x0
  69 3227278 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: 
Exception: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION
39975 3267253 [main] xdvi-motif 2444 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: Error 
while dumping state (probably corrupted stack)


Ken

[1] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2008-11/msg00116.html
[2] http://www.webalice.it/angelo.graziosi/cygwin/texlive/texlive.html
[3] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2008-11/msg00078.html


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[ANNOUNCEMENT] New package: nas/libaudio2/libaudio-devel-1.9.1-2

2008-11-19 Thread Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)
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The following packages have been added to the Cygwin net release:

+++ nas-1.9.1-2
+++ libaudio2-1.9.1-2
+++ libaudio-devel-1.9.1-2

The Network Audio System is a network-transparent, client/server audio
system based on X11.


Yaakov
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Re: Small update for X server 1.5.3 patch set

2008-11-19 Thread Jon TURNEY
Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
 Jon TURNEY wrote:
 Please find at the URL below a small update to the xorg server patch
 set.
 
 Committed; could you please svn up and test?  I also changed the log
 location patch to use a separate log for each display (e.g. XWin.0.log),
 as is done on Linux; the old XWin.log name is still used when no display
 was actually launched.  What do you think about it?

Works for me.

Note that you don't actually need to the formatting of the log file name
yourself, LogInit() already has code to replace %s in the log file name with
the display name.

If your going to do a release soon-ish, you might considered disabling the
call to winRestoreModeKeyStates() in winmultiwindowwndproc.c.  The code which
tries to synchronize locking key states (e.g. caps lock, etc.) between X and
Windows has broken, so is now toggling the modifiers in X every time an X
window gains focus.  Having the lock state in X just unsynchronized instead
might be marginally less irritating until I get a chance to work on a proper 
fix.


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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Chuck
Dont Care wrote:
 I have the same Numlock/Capslock issue (see my previous post).
 
 Stop fighting about this, it doesn't help ! Please, does anybody have
 a solution ??

Yes. The location of the startup bat files changed from /usr/X11R6/bin
to /usr/bin. You need to change your start menu shortcuts to run the new
.bat file. I think there's a package that's supposed to do it
automatically for you too.

I think the frustration on some people's behalf is that this question
has been asked (and answered) maybe 50 times already on the list.


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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Eric Roode
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:06:37 -0500, Chuck wrote:

Dont Care wrote:
 I have the same Numlock/Capslock issue (see my previous post).

 Stop fighting about this, it doesn't help ! Please, does anybody have
 a solution ??

Yes. The location of the startup bat files changed from /usr/X11R6/bin
to /usr/bin. You need to change your start menu shortcuts to run the new
.bat file. I think there's a package that's supposed to do it
automatically for you too.

How does the location of the startup batch file affect the behavior of
numlock and capslock in xterm?

I think the frustration on some people's behalf is that this question
has been asked (and answered) maybe 50 times already on the list.

I for one did peruse the mailing list archives, and did a bunch of
google searching, before posting here.  I saw how things had been
moved from /usr/X11R6/foo to /usr/foo.  (That change makes zero sense
to me, but what the hell, I'm just a luser).  I do not see how that
affects the behavior of xterm, especially capslock/numlock/toolbar
behavior.  Maybe I'm just dense.

Try to see the frustration of the people who are asking these
questions -- suddenly things are broken, and it is not apparent why,
and the cygwin websites say nothing, and the hundreds of mailing-list
messages do not appear to address the questions we have.

Eric

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Chuck
Eric Roode wrote:


 How does the location of the startup batch file affect the behavior of
 numlock and capslock in xterm?


Yes. The batch file is different. The binary is different. The
environment variables are different. For example this is in the old
batch file but not in the new one.

SET XAPPLRESDIR=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults
SET XCMSDB=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Xcms.txt
SET XKEYSYMDB=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB
SET XNLSPATH=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale

I suspect that XKEYSYMDB one has something to do with the problem you're
having. The new file doesn't assign these variables at all, and runs a
different binary.


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RE: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Back, Michael
Chuck wrote:
I think the frustration on some people's behalf is that this question
has been asked (and answered) maybe 50 times already on the list.

Perhaps because people can't find the info. they need in any other way than 
posting to this list?

I know that I only happened on this list during the past two days because I was 
a regular updater and all of a sudden things just didn't work any more after 
upgrading.  I looked through the FAQ  announcements  didn't see anything that 
would help me through problems/hiccups with the upgrade... so I joined the list.

And I still can't /quite/ get everything that I need working...

app-image-san-004:image
undefined control
XView warning: Cannot load font set 
'-bh-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
XView warning: Unable to open default font set 
XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: app-image-san-004:10.0 
(Server package)
app-image-san-004:

I'm certain that this is an xset snafu (scripts to invoke mission critical 
applications at my company expect to see fonts in certain directories on the X 
server).  Symlinks need updating I suppose, and I have to do the mkfontdir 
shuffle as well on all of my non-cygwin supplied font directories (that got 
moved)...

Sigh...

Can someone here provide a link to documentation that we can turn to in a FAQ 
form to help us proactively identify and fix commonly encountered problems with 
the update?  I'm looking for something like a HOWTO migrate.  If such doesn't 
exist, I suppose that I can help cook something up from my own experiences...

Thanks,

Michael

PS -- Yaakov  Jon, thanks for all the help  thanks for stepping up and 
working on Cygwin/X.  I know that once the initial pain is over that this will 
be great for everyone.  It's going to be nice to be on a more current X.

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 03:16:05PM -0800, Back, Michael wrote:
Chuck wrote:
I think the frustration on some people's behalf is that this question
has been asked (and answered) maybe 50 times already on the list.

Perhaps because people can't find the info.  they need in any other way
than posting to this list?

You seem to be missing the point that if it was discussed in the list
you can use the list archive as a resource.  You don't have to just
blindly send email assuming that no one else would ever have asked the
same question.

cgf

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)
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Back, Michael wrote:
 I solved this one by guessing and loading the right font pack...  
 Which font pack contains this one?:
 
 app-image-san-004:station: Warning: Can't chmod /dev/console
 XView warning: Cannot load font set '-*-screen-bold-r-*-*-*-160-*-*-*-*-*-*' 
 (Font package)
 station: line 26 of /image/bin.rls/custom/production_station_buttons, FONT: 
 Cannot open button font 'screen.b.16'

No such font is provided by X.Org, and some googling makes me suspect
that this may be a Solaris-specific font.


Yaakov
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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread cygwin
Eric Roode wrote:
 I updated my cygwin the other day, as I periodically do, and I am very
 sorry I did so.  Here are some of the problems I have encountered.

It has always been the advice of this list that you should read the
announcements on cygwin-announce@ and cygwin-xfree-announce before
upgrading blindly.  Now, often you can get away with /not/ doing that, d
nothing bad will happen.  But if I ran setup, and saw 157 new packages
about to be upgraded...I might want to investigate a little before
clicking continue.

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2008-11/msg0.html

But, as always, it's up to you. We'll happily refund all the money you paid.

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Documentation

2008-11-19 Thread Jonathan Johansen
Hi All,

I've tried installing the Cygwin X11 server to try to be able to run an
X app, but the cygwin installation packages were completely different to
the ones mentioned on the website and in the documentation.  I had to
search the mailing list to get the required package names.  So, can I
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package name changes?  I'm sure it would save a lot of pain for people
in the future.

Regards,
Jonathan Johansen

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin X)

Back, Michael wrote:

Christopher Faylor did utter a clarion call of great frustration unto the 
heavens:

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 03:16:05PM -0800, Back, Michael wrote:

Chuck wrote:

I think the frustration on some people's behalf is that this question
has been asked (and answered) maybe 50 times already on the list.

Perhaps because people can't find the info.  they need in any other way
than posting to this list?

You seem to be missing the point that if it was discussed in the list
you can use the list archive as a resource.  You don't have to just
blindly send email assuming that no one else would ever have asked the
same question.


My point is that relying on a user to have the forethought, time, and
patience to scour through a mailing list archive is probably not the most
effective or convenient form of communicating common upgrade problems and
solutions.


Probably not surprisingly, this idea is not new.  It's been discussed
before and only remains as a topic for discussion because of a lack of
resources to help make the situation better.  If anyone would like to
research, monitor, and dig in to help make the documentation or
install tools better and more helpful, I expect that would be welcome.
Keep in mind that where Cygwin/X is concerned, there has been no
maintainer for _years_ so I think we can all anticipate the amount of
work to get all the packages upgraded, documented, and spiffy is
significant.  And there will be some bumps along the way...


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Re: X11R7 and rebasing

2008-11-19 Thread Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How's that? What, exactly, does libtool have to do with cygwin's fork
 emulation code?
 
 The closest libtool comes to this issue is the fact that it
 automatically turns on enable-auto-image-base -- which should help
 somewhat alleviate the problem (although, as Corinna pointed out
 earlier, it's not a panacea).

Sorry, I misread and thought, based on the flow of the message, that the
last question was how the enable-auto-image-base was done.  Indeed
libtool is part of the solution and not the cause.


Yaakov
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Re: Documentation

2008-11-19 Thread Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)
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Jonathan Johansen wrote:
 I've tried installing the Cygwin X11 server to try to be able to run an
 X app, but the cygwin installation packages were completely different to
 the ones mentioned on the website and in the documentation.  I had to
 search the mailing list to get the required package names.  So, can I
 suggest that the website and/or documentation are updated to reflect the
 package name changes?  I'm sure it would save a lot of pain for people
 in the future.

http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI


Yaakov
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