Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Igor,

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

[snip]

Harold,

In many applications, the "Exit?" box is modal and AOT, which is fine,
because it's not expected to stay on the screen for a long time.  Thus, it
doesn't need a taskbar entry, IMO.
That is an alternative.

The situation is different with the About box, since it depends on the
intent of that box.  If it's intended for the users to just quickly see
what the version is, it should probably also be modal and AOT with no
taskbar entry.  However, if you intend people to copy information out of
this box, or open other windows while this box is visible (especially now
that there are links in it), that box should probably have a taskbar
entry.  FWIW, Exceed's one is non-modal, not AOT, and has no taskbar
entry, which is rather annoying.
I think the window may get left open, especially since it will be 
annoying to use the links if it is AOT.  That seems to indicate that it 
needs a taskbar entry to me.

One more thing that Exceed does that the Cygwin/X server doesn't is detect
when display resolution has changed, and offer to perform a server reset,
like this (also see the attached PNG file):
[snip]
IMO, this is not very useful when changing resolutions, and, despite the
warning, I've noticed no problems with always refusing the server reset,
but I suspect that with more serious changes (e.g., changes in color
depth) it may be necessary.
Actually, we do have a dialog box that indicates when you have made a 
dangerous display change (such as color depth going from 32 bpp to 256 
color).

The only change I would make here would be to finally support RANDR to 
allow resizing the root window to match the new screen resolution.

Harold

Re: About box

[Alexander Gottwald]

Harold L Hunt II wrote:

> Part of me wonders if our About box and possibly our Exit box should get
> taskbar entries... without them they are easy to lose behind other
> windows and then they are difficult to retrieve.  What do you think?

Good idea. In other apps I often have to search for dialogs which are modal,
but hidden behind the main application. This is very annoying.

bye
ago
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Re: About box

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

> Earle,
>
> Earle F. Philhower III wrote:
>
> > Howdy Harold,
> >
> > At 01:49 PM 3/26/2004 -0500, Harold wrote:
> >
> >> Earle F. Philhower, III wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...I can submit some simple code that does the overridden windowproc
> >>> (makes the pointer a little hand when you've over the icon, too!),
> >>> but don't want to push the issue since it's more of a style than
> >>> substance issue...
> >>
> >> By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the
> >> dialog box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the
> >> first time through.
> >
> >
> > Done, but for some reason the CVS commit list has put me back in the
> > "requires moderator approval" class of user (the last change I did, the
> > commit email came back just fine w/o moderator intervention AFAICT)...
>
> Part of me wonders if our About box and possibly our Exit box should get
> taskbar entries... without them they are easy to lose behind other
> windows and then they are difficult to retrieve.  What do you think?
>
> Harold

Harold,

In many applications, the "Exit?" box is modal and AOT, which is fine,
because it's not expected to stay on the screen for a long time.  Thus, it
doesn't need a taskbar entry, IMO.

The situation is different with the About box, since it depends on the
intent of that box.  If it's intended for the users to just quickly see
what the version is, it should probably also be modal and AOT with no
taskbar entry.  However, if you intend people to copy information out of
this box, or open other windows while this box is visible (especially now
that there are links in it), that box should probably have a taskbar
entry.  FWIW, Exceed's one is non-modal, not AOT, and has no taskbar
entry, which is rather annoying.

One more thing that Exceed does that the Cygwin/X server doesn't is detect
when display resolution has changed, and offer to perform a server reset,
like this (also see the attached PNG file):

---
Exceed
---
Your Display settings have changed. In order to correctly display your
clients you should perform a Server Reset. Failure to do so may result in
drawing problems. For more details look in the Exceed Log file.

Do you wish to perform a Server Reset now?
---
Yes   No
---

IMO, this is not very useful when changing resolutions, and, despite the
warning, I've noticed no problems with always refusing the server reset,
but I suspect that with more serious changes (e.g., changes in color
depth) it may be necessary.
Igor
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Re: About box

[Ben Jackson]

i would second this, as i often lose the exit dialog when using multiple
monitors... as it appears in different (somewhat obscure) places
occasionally


- Original Message - 
From: "Harold L Hunt II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: About box


> Earle,
>
> Earle F. Philhower III wrote:
>
> > Howdy Harold,
> >
> > At 01:49 PM 3/26/2004 -0500, Harold wrote:
> >
> >> Earle F. Philhower, III wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...I can submit some simple code that does the overridden windowproc
> >>> (makes the pointer a little hand when you've over the icon, too!),
> >>> but don't want to push the issue since it's more of a style than
> >>> substance issue...
> >>
> >> By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the
> >> dialog box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the
> >> first time through.
> >
> >
> > Done, but for some reason the CVS commit list has put me back in the
> > "requires moderator approval" class of user (the last change I did, the
> > commit email came back just fine w/o moderator intervention AFAICT)...
>
> Part of me wonders if our About box and possibly our Exit box should get
> taskbar entries... without them they are easy to lose behind other
> windows and then they are difficult to retrieve.  What do you think?
>
> Harold
>

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Earle,

Earle F. Philhower III wrote:

Howdy Harold,

At 01:49 PM 3/26/2004 -0500, Harold wrote:

Earle F. Philhower, III wrote:

...I can submit some simple code that does the overridden windowproc 
(makes the pointer a little hand when you've over the icon, too!), 
but don't want to push the issue since it's more of a style than 
substance issue...
By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the 
dialog box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the 
first time through.


Done, but for some reason the CVS commit list has put me back in the 
"requires moderator approval" class of user (the last change I did, the 
commit email came back just fine w/o moderator intervention AFAICT)...
Part of me wonders if our About box and possibly our Exit box should get 
taskbar entries... without them they are easy to lose behind other 
windows and then they are difficult to retrieve.  What do you think?

Harold

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Earle,

Earle F. Philhower III wrote:
Howdy Harold,

At 01:49 PM 3/26/2004 -0500, Harold wrote:

Earle F. Philhower, III wrote:

...I can submit some simple code that does the overridden windowproc 
(makes the pointer a little hand when you've over the icon, too!), 
but don't want to push the issue since it's more of a style than 
substance issue...
By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the 
dialog box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the 
first time through.


Done, but for some reason the CVS commit list has put me back in the 
"requires moderator approval" class of user (the last change I did, the 
commit email came back just fine w/o moderator intervention AFAICT)...
Thanks.

I made a small change to your accounts.  The "nodupes" flag was set in 
mailman, while a lot of other people (myself, Takuma, Kensuke, and 
Alexander included) don't have it set.  I doubt it was related, but it 
was the only difference between our accounts that I could find.  Let me 
know if it helps, otherwise I will ask around for more help.  As long as 
you ping me I can go in and approve the messages that are held for 
moderation.

Harold

Re: About box

[Earle F. Philhower III]

Howdy Harold,

At 01:49 PM 3/26/2004 -0500, Harold wrote:
Earle F. Philhower, III wrote:
...I can submit some simple code that does the overridden windowproc 
(makes the pointer a little hand when you've over the icon, too!), but 
don't want to push the issue since it's more of a style than substance issue...
By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the dialog 
box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the first time 
through.
Done, but for some reason the CVS commit list has put me back in the 
"requires moderator approval" class of user (the last change I did, the 
commit email came back just fine w/o moderator intervention AFAICT)...

-Earle F. Philhower, III
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cdrlabel - ZipLabel - FlpLabel
 http://www.cdrlabel.com

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Jack Tanner wrote:

Harold L Hunt II wrote:
[snip]

The about box's window title should be "About Cygwin/X".
Done

The tray menu's entry for the about box should be between "hide/show 
root window" and "exit"; it should not be the bottom-most entry. The 
entry itself should be called not "About..." but "About Cygwin/X".
I moved the entry because I was hitting it all the time by accident 
during my testing.  I'm leaving the entry as "About..." since that is 
what other apps that I have seen have.

Harold

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Corinna Vinschen wrote:

On Mar 26 11:12, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

Yes, it seems inconsistent to me.

Cygwin/X is different than a port of package foo to Cygwin: Cygwin/X is 
an integral piece of Cygwin and runs *only* on Cygwin; it is much more 
important than a port.


I've moved the link to the Cygwin/X page up to be the second link in
the left menu bar.  This way, Cygwin/X got a sufficiently prominent
place in the menu and both pages have a more similar menu layout.
I like that, thank you Corinna.

Harold

Re: About box

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Mar 26 11:12, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> Yes, it seems inconsistent to me.
> 
> Cygwin/X is different than a port of package foo to Cygwin: Cygwin/X is 
> an integral piece of Cygwin and runs *only* on Cygwin; it is much more 
> important than a port.

I've moved the link to the Cygwin/X page up to be the second link in
the left menu bar.  This way, Cygwin/X got a sufficiently prominent
place in the menu and both pages have a more similar menu layout.


Corinna

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Re: About box

[Lev Bishop]

If it's nitpicky stylistic issues you're after

The X icon at the top left of both the About... dialog and the Cygwin/X
Exit? dialog is different to the X icon at the top left of other
programmes' windows, such as xterm. The one on the about and exit dialogs
is a little uglier than the other. I can provide screen captures if you
want to see this.

FWIW, I agree with all Jack's suggestions, especially copyright/version 
info, links to docs on the start menu.

But I think I'd much rather you spent your time fixing the clipboard bug 
before worrying about such minor things.

Lev

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

John,

John Morrison wrote:

From: Harold L Hunt II

By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the dialog
box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the first
time through.


Hi Harold,

Try these :)




While those do show the spirit of what I want to do, they are all in C++ 
and one even uses MFC :)  It would be pretty time consuming to decipher 
what is going on under the hood in those...

Harold

RE: About box

[John Morrison]

> From: Harold L Hunt II
>
> By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the dialog
> box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the first
> time through.

Hi Harold,

Try these :)






All the best,

J.

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Earle F. Philhower, III wrote:

Howdy Harold,


Subject: Re: About box
..

URLs: not possible in a dialog, as far as I can tell since this was how 
I wanted to do it too.  Buttons were the only way I could do it.


I have the feeling this is going to turn into the same kind of style argument as the ICON resource. ;)

FWIW, there are multiple ways of implementing URLs in a dialog box.  I've done both in 
my own W32 apps:
 Owner-drawn buttons:  Your DialogProc() gets notifications to draw the button, so you 
can implement the underlined URL drawing there
 Override the WndProc for the buttons created by the dialog during InitDialog
 (Not very portable, needs COM working) Instantiate an ActiveX control
I can submit some simple code that does the overridden windowproc (makes the pointer a little hand when you've over the icon, too!), but don't want to push the issue since it's more of a style than substance issue...
By all means, please just commit code that does blue links in the dialog 
box.  I was aiming to do that and didn't see a way to do it the first 
time through.

Harold

Re: About box

[Earle F. Philhower, III]

Howdy Harold,

> Subject: Re: About box
..
> URLs: not possible in a dialog, as far as I can tell since this was how 
> I wanted to do it too.  Buttons were the only way I could do it.

I have the feeling this is going to turn into the same kind of style argument as the 
ICON resource. ;)

FWIW, there are multiple ways of implementing URLs in a dialog box.  I've done both in 
my own W32 apps:
 Owner-drawn buttons:  Your DialogProc() gets notifications to draw the button, so you 
can implement the underlined URL drawing there
 Override the WndProc for the buttons created by the dialog during InitDialog
 (Not very portable, needs COM working) Instantiate an ActiveX control

I can submit some simple code that does the overridden windowproc (makes the pointer a 
little hand when you've over the icon, too!), but don't want to push the issue since 
it's more of a style than substance issue...
-- 
-Earle F. Philhower, III
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.ziplabel.com

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Rob Foehl wrote:

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Jack Tanner wrote:
[snip]

I agree with all of these points, some moreso than others..  URLs
definitely shouldn't be represented as buttons, as it's inconsistent with
just about every other user interface out there (across multiple
platforms)..  The about/exit order in the menu is also somewhat
significant, most applications where an 'exit' option is useful place it
at the bottom of the tray menu.
URLs: not possible in a dialog, as far as I can tell since this was how 
I wanted to do it too.  Buttons were the only way I could do it.

About/Exit order: Like I said, I modeled it after an app written by 
Microsoft and I'm not going to change it until people have flammed each 
other to death on this one.  I hate nothing more than to have three 
releases in a row where I release something as foo, change it to bar, 
then change it back to foo because more people complained about it being 
bar than foo.

Harold

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Jack Tanner wrote:

Harold L Hunt II wrote:

Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened 
from the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that 
link to our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, 
our FAQ on the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally 
with the XFree86-xserv package.


My apologies for saying this AFTER you did the work... The about box is 
wrong. (Sorry, sorry, hold the flames.)

These links really belong in the Start menu (ideally under 
Programs\Cygwin, but they'd also be acceptable under Programs\Cygwin/X). 
This way, the links being URLs and links to .html files, they 
automatically inherit the icon of the default web browser, making it 
obvious what they point to.
I disagree, at least for the time being.  The reason is that we do not 
currently have such links being installed to the Start menu.  We have 
the X-start-menu-icons package, but that is not sophisticated enough to 
create links to files that should be opened with cygstart.

In short, this solution took 6 hours, the alternative would take more 
like 30.  I've not got 30 hours to spend, so it is going to stay like it 
is unless someone sends a comprehensive patch that fixes *everything* 
related to this desire.

What should really be in the about box is something like this:

[logo]Cygwin/X X11R6 Server
Copyright blah
Licensed under GPL (use standard short FSF blurb here)
Installed Packages (xserv 4.3.0-62, xterm 185-4, etc.)
Visit us at http://x.cygwin.com. (Make URL blue, underlined, and a 
link to the site).
Yeah, URLs... tried it in a dialog box before?  I spent about 4 hours 
researching it and could only find that you can have one font for the 
whole box.  Unless we make this a true window it probably isn't going to 
be possible.

The about box's window title should be "About Cygwin/X".

The tray menu's entry for the about box should be between "hide/show 
root window" and "exit"; it should not be the bottom-most entry. The 
entry itself should be called not "About..." but "About Cygwin/X".
This is the sort of thing that really pisses me off.  I modeled this 
after the SQL Server tray icon.  It has "About..." as the bottom entry 
and "Exit" above that.  I basically flipped a coin and went with it 
because I knew that no matter which way I ordered it somebody would 
bitch about it not being right.  I'll let the mailing list fight amongst 
themselves until a clear winner is chosen, until then I'm not touching it.

Thanks for all your hard work, Harold et al! Here's hoping you get that 
clipboard bug soon.
Thanks.

Harold

Re: About box

[Rob Foehl]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Jack Tanner wrote:

> Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> > Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from
> > the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to
> > our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on
> > the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the
> > XFree86-xserv package.
>
> My apologies for saying this AFTER you did the work... The about box is
> wrong. (Sorry, sorry, hold the flames.)
>
> These links really belong in the Start menu (ideally under
> Programs\Cygwin, but they'd also be acceptable under Programs\Cygwin/X).
> This way, the links being URLs and links to .html files, they
> automatically inherit the icon of the default web browser, making it
> obvious what they point to.
>
> What should really be in the about box is something like this:
>
> [logo]Cygwin/X X11R6 Server
>   Copyright blah
>   Licensed under GPL (use standard short FSF blurb here)
>   Installed Packages (xserv 4.3.0-62, xterm 185-4, etc.)
>   Visit us at http://x.cygwin.com. (Make URL blue, underlined, and a link
> to the site).
>
> The about box's window title should be "About Cygwin/X".
>
> The tray menu's entry for the about box should be between "hide/show
> root window" and "exit"; it should not be the bottom-most entry. The
> entry itself should be called not "About..." but "About Cygwin/X".

I agree with all of these points, some moreso than others..  URLs
definitely shouldn't be represented as buttons, as it's inconsistent with
just about every other user interface out there (across multiple
platforms)..  The about/exit order in the menu is also somewhat
significant, most applications where an 'exit' option is useful place it
at the bottom of the tray menu.

My two cents..

-Rob

Re: About box

[Jack Tanner]

Harold L Hunt II wrote:
Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from 
the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to 
our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on 
the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the 
XFree86-xserv package.
My apologies for saying this AFTER you did the work... The about box is 
wrong. (Sorry, sorry, hold the flames.)

These links really belong in the Start menu (ideally under 
Programs\Cygwin, but they'd also be acceptable under Programs\Cygwin/X). 
This way, the links being URLs and links to .html files, they 
automatically inherit the icon of the default web browser, making it 
obvious what they point to.

What should really be in the about box is something like this:

[logo]	Cygwin/X X11R6 Server
	Copyright blah
	Licensed under GPL (use standard short FSF blurb here)
	Installed Packages (xserv 4.3.0-62, xterm 185-4, etc.)
	Visit us at http://x.cygwin.com. (Make URL blue, underlined, and a link 
to the site).

The about box's window title should be "About Cygwin/X".

The tray menu's entry for the about box should be between "hide/show 
root window" and "exit"; it should not be the bottom-most entry. The 
entry itself should be called not "About..." but "About Cygwin/X".

Thanks for all your hard work, Harold et al! Here's hoping you get that 
clipboard bug soon.

-JT

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 11:04:27AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 10:24:41AM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

Christopher Faylor wrote:


On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:44:42PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:


Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from 
the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to 
our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on 
the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the 
XFree86-xserv package.

I would like to modify this slightly in the future to check if the 
User's Guide and FAQ have been installed locally (via the cygwin-x-doc 
package) and to open those local documents instead of going out to the 
web everytime.

The About box is neat, check it out in XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-62 when it 
hits mirrors soon.


Sounds cool.

Any chance that it could also contain a link to the main cygwin web
site, too?
Yeah, I think that could be done.

I was also just talking to some people that frequently visit the Cygwin 
web site, but had no idea that the Cygwin/X web site even existed.  It 
seems that it would be useful to add a short blurb on the main Cygwin 
site that says something like "Try Cygwin/X for a full-featured free X 
Server for Windows including clipboard integration, desktop integration, 
and more".  I don't want to add that right away, but do you see a 
problem with my doing so in the near future?
There is a link at the side to "X11".  If you think that's unclear then change
it to something clearer.  If you want to advertise releases in the news page
that's fine, too.
I don't think special dispensation for the Cygwin/X project is appropriate
for the main page.


And, if this seems inconsistent with my asking for a cygwin link in the About
box, then feel free to ignore my request...
Yes, it seems inconsistent to me.

Cygwin/X is different than a port of package foo to Cygwin: Cygwin/X is 
an integral piece of Cygwin and runs *only* on Cygwin; it is much more 
important than a port.

The reason I brought it up is that I had three people telling me they 
had been using Cygwin for years and never even thought that a Cygwin/X 
page existed.  They all requested that a blurb be put on the main Cygwin 
page so that people will actually see it.  Their complaint about the 
link in the left bar is that it looked like just another part of the 
Cygwin pages, not an entire web site by itself.

Harold

Re: About box

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 11:04:27AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 10:24:41AM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
>>Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:44:42PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
>>>
>>>>Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from 
>>>>the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to 
>>>>our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on 
>>>>the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the 
>>>>XFree86-xserv package.
>>>>
>>>>I would like to modify this slightly in the future to check if the 
>>>>User's Guide and FAQ have been installed locally (via the cygwin-x-doc 
>>>>package) and to open those local documents instead of going out to the 
>>>>web everytime.
>>>>
>>>>The About box is neat, check it out in XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-62 when it 
>>>>hits mirrors soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds cool.
>>>
>>>Any chance that it could also contain a link to the main cygwin web
>>>site, too?
>>
>>Yeah, I think that could be done.
>>
>>I was also just talking to some people that frequently visit the Cygwin 
>>web site, but had no idea that the Cygwin/X web site even existed.  It 
>>seems that it would be useful to add a short blurb on the main Cygwin 
>>site that says something like "Try Cygwin/X for a full-featured free X 
>>Server for Windows including clipboard integration, desktop integration, 
>>and more".  I don't want to add that right away, but do you see a 
>>problem with my doing so in the near future?
>
>There is a link at the side to "X11".  If you think that's unclear then change
>it to something clearer.  If you want to advertise releases in the news page
>that's fine, too.
>
>I don't think special dispensation for the Cygwin/X project is appropriate
>for the main page.

And, if this seems inconsistent with my asking for a cygwin link in the About
box, then feel free to ignore my request...

cgf

Re: About box

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 10:24:41AM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
>Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:44:42PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
>>
>>>Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from 
>>>the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to 
>>>our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on 
>>>the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the 
>>>XFree86-xserv package.
>>>
>>>I would like to modify this slightly in the future to check if the 
>>>User's Guide and FAQ have been installed locally (via the cygwin-x-doc 
>>>package) and to open those local documents instead of going out to the 
>>>web everytime.
>>>
>>>The About box is neat, check it out in XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-62 when it 
>>>hits mirrors soon.
>>
>>
>>Sounds cool.
>>
>>Any chance that it could also contain a link to the main cygwin web
>>site, too?
>
>Yeah, I think that could be done.
>
>I was also just talking to some people that frequently visit the Cygwin 
>web site, but had no idea that the Cygwin/X web site even existed.  It 
>seems that it would be useful to add a short blurb on the main Cygwin 
>site that says something like "Try Cygwin/X for a full-featured free X 
>Server for Windows including clipboard integration, desktop integration, 
>and more".  I don't want to add that right away, but do you see a 
>problem with my doing so in the near future?

There is a link at the side to "X11".  If you think that's unclear then change
it to something clearer.  If you want to advertise releases in the news page
that's fine, too.

I don't think special dispensation for the Cygwin/X project is appropriate
for the main page.

cgf

Re: About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:44:42PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from 
the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to 
our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on 
the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the 
XFree86-xserv package.

I would like to modify this slightly in the future to check if the 
User's Guide and FAQ have been installed locally (via the cygwin-x-doc 
package) and to open those local documents instead of going out to the 
web everytime.

The About box is neat, check it out in XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-62 when it 
hits mirrors soon.


Sounds cool.

Any chance that it could also contain a link to the main cygwin web
site, too?
Yeah, I think that could be done.

I was also just talking to some people that frequently visit the Cygwin 
web site, but had no idea that the Cygwin/X web site even existed.  It 
seems that it would be useful to add a short blurb on the main Cygwin 
site that says something like "Try Cygwin/X for a full-featured free X 
Server for Windows including clipboard integration, desktop integration, 
and more".  I don't want to add that right away, but do you see a 
problem with my doing so in the near future?

Harold

Re: About box

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:44:42PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
>Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from 
>the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to 
>our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on 
>the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the 
>XFree86-xserv package.
>
>I would like to modify this slightly in the future to check if the 
>User's Guide and FAQ have been installed locally (via the cygwin-x-doc 
>package) and to open those local documents instead of going out to the 
>web everytime.
>
>The About box is neat, check it out in XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-62 when it 
>hits mirrors soon.

Sounds cool.

Any chance that it could also contain a link to the main cygwin web
site, too?

cgf

About box

[Harold L Hunt II]

Okay, I did it myself.  We now have an About box that can be opened from 
the tray icon menu.  The About box contains four buttons that link to 
our website (x.cygwin.com), our User's Guide on the website, our FAQ on 
the website, and our ChangeLog that is installed locally with the 
XFree86-xserv package.

I would like to modify this slightly in the future to check if the 
User's Guide and FAQ have been installed locally (via the cygwin-x-doc 
package) and to open those local documents instead of going out to the 
web everytime.

The About box is neat, check it out in XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-62 when it 
hits mirrors soon.

Harold