Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Massimo Giovannini wrote: Hi, I have always installed and used cygwinX on my windows Xp machines without any problem. I have been trying to install on my new Vista 64 bit laptop and I cannot figure out what is going wrong. --- W e l c o m e t o V i s t a ! :-) I've been going through similar pains playing with a still not fully functional Vista machine (still awaiting a Win7 upgrade as well). Even though you got the standalone X-server to work, FWIW, on Vista, you could also be running into permission problems even as Admin. Many files and directories don't have write permission enabled for Admin. To enable them you have to 'get violent' with Vista and reclaim directories you want write access to by taking over their ownership and then making it so you have r/w access. If you do this, take care to note the original owner and/or accesses to make sure that any group/ID that had access before ('TrustedInstaller', 'SYSTEM') also has the same (usually full control) access after you take ownership. The prompt in your cygwin window being 'broken' is possibly a symptom of that. By default, I found that I couldn't add files to my root directory (a good thing, actually, too many apps still try to install stuff there, and a default no files prevents accidental clutter). Just thought I'd add an addendum, though looks like Larry gave you the exact solution you needed. Linda -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
So do you just need the X server? Perhaps a pure Win32 one would be easier for you. See http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/. Great!! This works perfect. Thank you so much! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
On 11/02/2009 03:11 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: Hi, I think I managed to obtain the cygcheck.out, which I attached after having added C:\cygwing\bin to the path of windows. Yes I am not an expert of unix and I am sorry, but I need this application to run Matlab on a cluster in interactive fashion. So do you just need the X server? Perhaps a pure Win32 one would be easier for you. See http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/. Another question: normally when I launched cygwin on my old laptop, there was a prompt telling my working directory, now I just get bash-3.2, why is that? Same reason as all the other problems. Your postinstall scripts didn't run. I don't see any clear indicaton why these would fail given your cygcheck output. Are you sure that the Lenovo Client Security Solution isn't getting in your way (i.e. http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#BLODA)? That's all I can see/think of. If that's not it, you may find that you can either: 1. Just re-run 'setup.exe' again and it could fix what it tripped over the last time. 2. Try 1.7 instead. http://cygwin.com/#beta-test -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Hi, I think I managed to obtain the cygcheck.out, which I attached after having added C:\cygwing\bin to the path of windows. Yes I am not an expert of unix and I am sorry, but I need this application to run Matlab on a cluster in interactive fashion. Another question: normally when I launched cygwin on my old laptop, there was a prompt telling my working directory, now I just get bash-3.2, why is that? Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:51 PM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit I'm getting the feeling that you're not used to Unix/Linux or command-line oriented environments. If that's the case, you may want to rethink about using Cygwin or look up a tutorial or two on Unix/Linux to help you get oriented. The reason what you typed didn't work is because you are in a directory which isn't in your path and you didn't say where to find 'cygcheck'. You need to do one of the following: 1. Use the fully qualified path (i.e. c:\bin\cygcheck.exe) 2. Use the relative path to specify the current directory (i.e. .\cygcheck.exe) 3. Add c:\bin to your Windows path so you don't have to do either of 1 or 2. cygcheck.out Description: Binary data -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Hi, I have always installed and used cygwinX on my windows Xp machines without any problem. I have been trying to install on my new Vista 64 bit laptop and I cannot figure out what is going wrong. I read all the topics in the mailing list but I could not find anyone with my same problem. My setup.log is below. The result is that when I launch the bash shell no matter what command I type I receive the message command not found. I hope someone can help me. Thanks. 2009/11/01 12:18:42 Starting cygwin install, version 2.573.2.3 2009/11/01 12:18:42 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-action) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:18:42 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-mirror) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:18:42 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-connection) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:18:42 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-cache) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:18:42 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-extrakeys) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:18:42 Current Directory: C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads 2009/11/01 12:18:42 Changing gid to Users 2009/11/01 12:18:42 Could not open service McShield for query, start and stop. McAfee may not be installed, or we don't have access. 2009/11/01 12:18:46 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/installed.db) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:18:46 source: network install 2009/11/01 12:19:07 root: C:\cygwin binary system 2009/11/01 12:19:09 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-cache) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:19:09 Selected local directory: C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads 2009/11/01 12:19:10 net: Direct 2009/11/01 12:19:10 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/mirrors-lst) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:22:05 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/mirrors-lst) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:22:05 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-mirror) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:22:05 site: http://mirrors.xmission.com/cygwin/ 2009/11/01 12:22:10 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/timestamp) failed 2 No such file or directory 2009/11/01 12:25:02 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/alternatives/alternatives-1.3.30c-3.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:03 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/ash/ash-20040127-4.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:05 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/base-files/base-files-3.7-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:05 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/base-passwd/base-passwd-2.2-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:15 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/bash/bash-3.2.49-22.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:24 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/bzip2/bzip2-1.0.5-3.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:45 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/coreutils/coreutils-6.10-2.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:46 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/crypt/crypt-1.1-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:49 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/csih/csih-0.2.0-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:50 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/cygrunsrv/cygrunsrv-1.34-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:25:54 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/cygutils/cygutils-1.3.4-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:26:02 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/cygwin/cygwin-1.5.25-15.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:26:11 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/cygwin-doc/cygwin-doc-1.4-4.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:26:13 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/diffutils/diffutils-2.8.7-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:26:18 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs-1.35-3.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:26:19 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/editrights/editrights-1.01-2.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:26:20 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/expat/expat-2.0.1-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:26:25 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/findutils/findutils-4.4.0-3.tar.bz2 2009/11/01 12:27:00 Downloaded C:\Users\Massimo\Downloads/http%3a%2f%2fmirrors.xmission.com%2fcygwin%2f/rel ease/X.Org/font-adobe-dpi75/font-adobe-dpi75-1.0.0-1.tar.bz2 2009/11/01
Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
On 11/01/2009 01:41 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: 2009/11/01 12:38:38 running: C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh 2009/11/01 12:40:16 abnormal exit: exit code=128 This is your problem. The postinstall scripts are failing. Are you installing with administrator privileges? If not, doing so may help. Otherwise, you can try running the command above from the command line and see if you get more insight into why it failed. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Yes I am using admin privileges. I tried to use startrun C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c/etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh But nothing happens (actually a black window opens for a second and then it closes)... Any idea? -Original Message- From: cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com] On Behalf Of Larry Hall (Cygwin X) Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:47 PM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit On 11/01/2009 01:41 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: 2009/11/01 12:38:38 running: C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh 2009/11/01 12:40:16 abnormal exit: exit code=128 This is your problem. The postinstall scripts are failing. Are you installing with administrator privileges? If not, doing so may help. Otherwise, you can try running the command above from the command line and see if you get more insight into why it failed. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
On 11/01/2009 06:18 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: Yes I am using admin privileges. I tried to use startrun C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c/etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh But nothing happens (actually a black window opens for a second and then it closes)... Any idea? Open a console window (cmd.exe) and type the following: C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -x -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Here is what I get... C:\Users\MassimoC:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -x -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh + /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh /usr/bin/bash: /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh: No such file or directory -Original Message- From: cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com] On Behalf Of Larry Hall (Cygwin X) Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:20 PM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit On 11/01/2009 06:18 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: Yes I am using admin privileges. I tried to use startrun C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c/etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh But nothing happens (actually a black window opens for a second and then it closes)... Any idea? Open a console window (cmd.exe) and type the following: C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -x -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#TOFU On 11/01/2009 07:33 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: -Original Message- From: cygwin-xfree-owner [mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner...] On Behalf Of Larry Hall (Cygwin X) ^ Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:20 PM To: cygwin-xfree... http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR Don't feed the spammers. Thanks. Subject: Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit On 11/01/2009 06:18 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: Yes I am using admin privileges. I tried to use startrun C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c/etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh But nothing happens (actually a black window opens for a second and then it closes)... Any idea? Open a console window (cmd.exe) and type the following: C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -x -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh Here is what I get... C:\Users\MassimoC:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -x -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh + /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh /usr/bin/bash: /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh: No such file or directory My WAG is either more didn't install for some reason (such that you don't have this file) or you are suffering from http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#BLODA or http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#3PP. Please *attach* your cygcheck output as requested by http://cygwin.com/problems.html. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Bash: cygcheck: command not found. -Original Message- From: cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com] On Behalf Of Larry Hall (Cygwin X) Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:53 PM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#TOFU On 11/01/2009 07:33 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: -Original Message- From: cygwin-xfree-owner [mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner...] On Behalf Of Larry Hall (Cygwin X) ^ Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:20 PM To: cygwin-xfree... http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR Don't feed the spammers. Thanks. Subject: Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit On 11/01/2009 06:18 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: Yes I am using admin privileges. I tried to use startrun C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c/etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh But nothing happens (actually a black window opens for a second and then it closes)... Any idea? Open a console window (cmd.exe) and type the following: C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -x -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh Here is what I get... C:\Users\MassimoC:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -x -c /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh + /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh /usr/bin/bash: /etc/postinstall/terminfo0.sh: No such file or directory My WAG is either more didn't install for some reason (such that you don't have this file) or you are suffering from http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#BLODA or http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#3PP. Please *attach* your cygcheck output as requested by http://cygwin.com/problems.html. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Hm, let's see. Last time, among other things, I pointed you at: http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#TOFU and http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR I suppose ignoring the first is only a minor politeness infraction but the latter is rather rude. Please be considerate in your posts. Thanks. On 11/01/2009 08:10 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: Bash: cygcheck: command not found. If you chose the default installation path for Cygwin, it's in C:\bin. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
Sorry,it is my first time on this website, and I did not understand those links were for me...I thought it was some sort of signature. Everything seems complicated here and also the language seems very cryptic.. I went on the bin directory cd C:/cygwin/bin, I typed cygcheck -s -v -r and still it says command not found. I manually went in the directory and the file seems to be there.. The funny thing is that also ls does not work.. (I deleted all the old messages...is it ok ? I don't understand what I should do with the TOFU problem..) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Problem installing cygwin/X on vista sp2 64bit
On 11/01/2009 10:35 PM, Massimo Giovannini wrote: Sorry,it is my first time on this website, and I did not understand those links were for me...I thought it was some sort of signature. Everything seems complicated here and also the language seems very cryptic.. Acronyms are certainly cryptic, until you understand them. I do go out of my way to actually provide the links to them when I use them, as you noticed. I went on the bin directory cd C:/cygwin/bin, I typed cygcheck -s -v -r and still it says command not found. I manually went in the directory and the file seems to be there.. I'm getting the feeling that you're not used to Unix/Linux or command-line oriented environments. If that's the case, you may want to rethink about using Cygwin or look up a tutorial or two on Unix/Linux to help you get oriented. The reason what you typed didn't work is because you are in a directory which isn't in your path and you didn't say where to find 'cygcheck'. You need to do one of the following: 1. Use the fully qualified path (i.e. c:\bin\cygcheck.exe) 2. Use the relative path to specify the current directory (i.e. .\cygcheck.exe) 3. Add c:\bin to your Windows path so you don't have to do either of 1 or 2. The funny thing is that also ls does not work.. See above. Same problem. (I deleted all the old messages...is it ok ? I don't understand what I should do with the TOFU problem..) Deleting everything can be fine, if there's no critical context. TOFU, in general, is meant to indicate that it's preferable to trim out anything that isn't helpful context in your reply and to reply in-line and/or after any context you keep. In other words, what I'm doing. ;-) -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/