RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-23 Thread Listopad, Steve
Update:

Using ZAP 4.5x works fine with cygwin; no blue screens.  ZAP 5.x causes blue
screens for me.

Steve


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-22 Thread Listopad, Steve
Well, as a last attempt at trying to figure out why startx/ssh was
blue-screening my XP box, I tried something that was mentioned on this list,
for different reasons:  I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro 5.  Bingo.  No blue
screen.  Everything works fine.  Have not installed Zone Alarm v4.x yet, to
see if it is specific to version 5, but I can say that I have successfully
used cygwin while running ZAP 4.x.

So, something's up with version 5.x of Zonealarm...  Just thought I'd post
these findings, in case others might be having similar problems.

Steve


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-20 Thread Listopad, Steve
Igor,

Yea, I figured that those messages had nothing to do with my BSODs, but it
can't help to mention little details like that.  Could eventually lead to a
solution.

As for the last part of the BSOD stuff, I can appreciate the technicality
that it isn't cygwin causing the BSOD.  But the practicality is that cygwin
is the only (well, for now, anyway) software for me that can consistently
produce the BSOD, and this renders the software unusable for me.  As a
developer, I understand the situation.  As a user, I'm trying to get ideas
on what might be causing the problem.  Hoping that someone else has seen
something similar, and has suggestions.  'It's not cygwin's fault' just
doesn't help.  Anyone who's been on the wrong side of a BSOD understands :)

Thanks for the recommendation about ssh -Y...


Steve

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote:

> Igor,
>
> >> See
<http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-ssh-no-x11forwarding>.
>
> Had already seen & tried it; still got blue screens.  Thanks, though.
> Steve

Steve,

That link had nothing to do with the BSODs.  It was for your "bad window"
error messages, which I doubt are related to the BSODs.  FWIW, read the
last part of <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#BSOD>. ;-)
Igor
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RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-20 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote:

> Igor,
>
> >> See .
>
> Had already seen & tried it; still got blue screens.  Thanks, though.
> Steve

Steve,

That link had nothing to do with the BSODs.  It was for your "bad window"
error messages, which I doubt are related to the BSODs.  FWIW, read the
last part of . ;-)
Igor
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RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-20 Thread Listopad, Steve
Igor,

>> See
.


Had already seen & tried it; still got blue screens.  Thanks, though.

Steve


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-19 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote:

> Forgot to mention that before the bluescreens, I saw (but couldn't capture
> accurately) errors of the form:
>
> x error bad window invalid window parameter (and alternately 3 and 5 on the
> end of these types of messages).
>
> Not sure if that is relevant, but I did see them.
>
> Steve
>
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> [snip]

See <http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-ssh-no-x11forwarding>.
Igor
P.S. Oh, and <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR>.  Thanks.
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RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-19 Thread Robert McNulty Junior
I use Norton Systemworks and Norton Internet Security on XP Pro. No problems
with X11.


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Subject: RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

Forgot to mention that before the bluescreens, I saw (but couldn't capture
accurately) errors of the form:

x error bad window invalid window parameter (and alternately 3 and 5 on the
end of these types of messages).

Not sure if that is relevant, but I did see them.

Steve

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>A bluescreen is an error inside the windows kernel. Either the base system
it
>self or some drivers (i suspect the second). Software can only trigger
this.
>But there have been only minor changes in Cygwin/X and I doubt they could
>lead to a bluescreen since no hardware access has changed.

Well, I've tried upgrading the video drivers as well as the network drivers.
Still get the blue screens.  So, suspecting my wired network card drivers, i
then used my wireless network card.  Same.  Blue Screen.

The only other thing that I can think of was brought up in other posts - I
have Zone Alarm 5 and Norton Antivirus 2004 Pro running.  Anybody else out
there getting XP blue screens with cygwin when running ZAP and/or NAV?

>I believe the difference with your system is some driver which was updated
>before and which is not current yet.

I suspected as much, too, except that I've exahusted (I think) those
possibilities.  I'm fully updated as far as Windows Update is concerned;
and, I pulled down the latest video & network drivers from the respective
companies.

>You could build XWin with debugging output. This prints received windows
>messages, some work in windows specific functions is traced but not the
>network layer.

>The low level unix calls (for network code) can be trace with strace.

>But this will not produce useful output if the kernel goes wild and prints
the
>bluescreen right after the data was written to the screen. Maybe writing
the
>data to harddisk may help but I think the bluescreen will leave disk
buffers
>unwritten and you'll get a logfile which truncated a long time before the
>actual crash happens.

All of this is unfortunate; even if, technically, it's Windows that has the
problem, the net result is that I can't use cygwin, unless I can figure out
what is causing the problem, and take action to correct it

Steve





RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-19 Thread Listopad, Steve
Forgot to mention that before the bluescreens, I saw (but couldn't capture
accurately) errors of the form:

x error bad window invalid window parameter (and alternately 3 and 5 on the
end of these types of messages).

Not sure if that is relevant, but I did see them.

Steve

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Subject: RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?



>A bluescreen is an error inside the windows kernel. Either the base system
it
>self or some drivers (i suspect the second). Software can only trigger
this.
>But there have been only minor changes in Cygwin/X and I doubt they could
>lead to a bluescreen since no hardware access has changed.

Well, I've tried upgrading the video drivers as well as the network drivers.
Still get the blue screens.  So, suspecting my wired network card drivers, i
then used my wireless network card.  Same.  Blue Screen.

The only other thing that I can think of was brought up in other posts - I
have Zone Alarm 5 and Norton Antivirus 2004 Pro running.  Anybody else out
there getting XP blue screens with cygwin when running ZAP and/or NAV?

>I believe the difference with your system is some driver which was updated
>before and which is not current yet.

I suspected as much, too, except that I've exahusted (I think) those
possibilities.  I'm fully updated as far as Windows Update is concerned;
and, I pulled down the latest video & network drivers from the respective
companies.

>You could build XWin with debugging output. This prints received windows
>messages, some work in windows specific functions is traced but not the
>network layer.

>The low level unix calls (for network code) can be trace with strace.

>But this will not produce useful output if the kernel goes wild and prints
the
>bluescreen right after the data was written to the screen. Maybe writing
the
>data to harddisk may help but I think the bluescreen will leave disk
buffers
>unwritten and you'll get a logfile which truncated a long time before the
>actual crash happens.

All of this is unfortunate; even if, technically, it's Windows that has the
problem, the net result is that I can't use cygwin, unless I can figure out
what is causing the problem, and take action to correct it

Steve


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-19 Thread Listopad, Steve

>A bluescreen is an error inside the windows kernel. Either the base system
it
>self or some drivers (i suspect the second). Software can only trigger
this.
>But there have been only minor changes in Cygwin/X and I doubt they could
>lead to a bluescreen since no hardware access has changed.

Well, I've tried upgrading the video drivers as well as the network drivers.
Still get the blue screens.  So, suspecting my wired network card drivers, i
then used my wireless network card.  Same.  Blue Screen.

The only other thing that I can think of was brought up in other posts - I
have Zone Alarm 5 and Norton Antivirus 2004 Pro running.  Anybody else out
there getting XP blue screens with cygwin when running ZAP and/or NAV?

>I believe the difference with your system is some driver which was updated
>before and which is not current yet.

I suspected as much, too, except that I've exahusted (I think) those
possibilities.  I'm fully updated as far as Windows Update is concerned;
and, I pulled down the latest video & network drivers from the respective
companies.

>You could build XWin with debugging output. This prints received windows
>messages, some work in windows specific functions is traced but not the
>network layer.

>The low level unix calls (for network code) can be trace with strace.

>But this will not produce useful output if the kernel goes wild and prints
the
>bluescreen right after the data was written to the screen. Maybe writing
the
>data to harddisk may help but I think the bluescreen will leave disk
buffers
>unwritten and you'll get a logfile which truncated a long time before the
>actual crash happens.

All of this is unfortunate; even if, technically, it's Windows that has the
problem, the net result is that I can't use cygwin, unless I can figure out
what is causing the problem, and take action to correct it

Steve


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-16 Thread Alexander Gottwald
Listopad, Steve wrote:

> Nope, the network card is built-in; no pcmcia.  I didn't check the chipset,
> but I can say that a previous version of cygwin worked just fine with X.
> The only reason why I upgraded cygwin was because I had to
> reformat/reinstall XP because Roxio Media Creator wreaked havoc.  But that's
> another story, and I didn't reinstall the Roxio software.

A bluescreen is an error inside the windows kernel. Either the base system it
self or some drivers (i suspect the second). Software can only trigger this.
But there have been only minor changes in Cygwin/X and I doubt they could
lead to a bluescreen since no hardware access has changed.

I believe the difference with your system is some driver which was updated
before and which is not current yet.

> So, I am not sure what could be causing the issue.  Are there any debuggin
> suggestions?  Somehow turn on logging to see at what point a failure occurs?
> Or, do some kind of XP debugging (though the event viewer log doesn't give
> me any information that helped...).

You could build XWin with debugging output. This prints received windows
messages, some work in windows specific functions is traced but not the
network layer.

The low level unix calls (for network code) can be trace with strace.

But this will not produce useful output if the kernel goes wild and prints the
bluescreen right after the data was written to the screen. Maybe writing the
data to harddisk may help but I think the bluescreen will leave disk buffers
unwritten and you'll get a logfile which truncated a long time before the
actual crash happens.

bye
ago
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RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-16 Thread Listopad, Steve
Nope, the network card is built-in; no pcmcia.  I didn't check the chipset,
but I can say that a previous version of cygwin worked just fine with X.
The only reason why I upgraded cygwin was because I had to
reformat/reinstall XP because Roxio Media Creator wreaked havoc.  But that's
another story, and I didn't reinstall the Roxio software.

So, I am not sure what could be causing the issue.  Are there any debuggin
suggestions?  Somehow turn on logging to see at what point a failure occurs?
Or, do some kind of XP debugging (though the event viewer log doesn't give
me any information that helped...).

Still trying,
Steve

>>On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote:

> Alexander & Daniel,
 
> This is a response to both of your suggestions and questions (about the
> engine being used, and video card information).
> 
> NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5600
> Driver Provider:  NVIDIA
> Driver Date:  2/3/2004>
> Version:  5.4.0.1
> Note:  This version provided via Windows Update via IE, though it says the
> driver was
> provided by NVIDIA.
> 
> Test "Script":
>   - start cygwin shell
>   - startx
>   - ssh -X -l user a.linux.box
>   - startkde

>>Does the notebook have a pcmcia network card? Maybe you can try XWin
without 
>>having the network drivers active. some wlan drivers (esp rtl chipset) are
>>known to be very unstable.

>>bye


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-15 Thread Alexander Gottwald
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote:

> Alexander & Daniel,
> 
> This is a response to both of your suggestions and questions (about the
> engine being used, and video card information).
> 
> NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5600
> Driver Provider:  NVIDIA
> Driver Date:  2/3/2004
> Version:  5.4.0.1
> Note:  This version provided via Windows Update via IE, though it says the
> driver was
> provided by NVIDIA.
> 
> Test "Script":
>   - start cygwin shell
>   - startx
>   - ssh -X -l user a.linux.box
>   - startkde

Does the notebook have a pcmcia network card? Maybe you can try XWin without 
having the network drivers active. some wlan drivers (esp rtl chipset) are
known to be very unstable.

bye
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RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-15 Thread Listopad, Steve
Alexander & Daniel,

This is a response to both of your suggestions and questions (about the
engine being used, and video card information).

NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5600
Driver Provider:  NVIDIA
Driver Date:  2/3/2004
Version:  5.4.0.1
Note:  This version provided via Windows Update via IE, though it says the
driver was
provided by NVIDIA.

Test "Script":
  - start cygwin shell
  - startx
  - ssh -X -l user a.linux.box
  - startkde


Result of test with above parameters:  blue screen during KDE splash screen.

Result of above test with above parameters, using various engines:
  - startx -- -engine 1
  - startx -- -engine 2
  - startx -- -engine 4
  - startx -- -engine 8

  All blue screens, during various phases of the KDE "splash" screen.

Next, I loaded the drivers from nvidia.com; interestingly, the version
provided is:
  
  6/24/2003
  4.4.8.2

  Results:  The same.  blue screen

Next, I tried drivers at the hp site (it's a zd7000 notebook).

  11/18/2003
  4.5.1.1

  Results:  The same.  blue screen

  12/10/2003
  4.7.1.2

  Results:  The same.  blue screen


Next, I took a guess that my screen resolution might be an issue, at
1440x900. So, I tried
1024x768.  Same results.  Blue Screen.


So, no luck yet.

Any suggestions for further debugging and/or logging?  If there's a readme
for that, could you point me in the right direction?

Other ideas:
  - Daniel (I think) suggested checking network card drivers; haven't done
that yet.
  - another post suggests possible ZoneAlarm issues.  I am running that, but
haven't tested turning it off.
  - others?

Stumped!

Steve


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-14 Thread Listopad, Steve
> Alexander,
> 
> 
>  
> >>This is the first report of a blue screen since a long time. 
>  
> Leave it to me to find a way to blue-screen Windows :)
> 
> 
> 
> >>maybe the network driver is the cause.
> 
> Not sure, but to be honest, I wasn't thinking in that direction, so I
> appreciate the suggestion.  I can check on that this evening...
> 
> 
> 
> >>you can change the way how XWin draws to the screen.  try 
> >>startx -- -engine 1
> >>startx -- -engine 2
> >>startx -- -engine 4
> >>startx -- -engine 8
> 
> >>does any of these modes work?
> 
> Will give these a try tonight (it's my home PC, not work), and report back
> tomorrow.
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to give me suggestions.  I appreciate it.
> 
> Steve


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-14 Thread Listopad, Steve
Daniel,

Will have to check on the brand of the video card; it's a laptop, and since
I didn't piece it together, I can't remember off the top of my head.  It's a
GeForce 5600 go blah blah something-or-other (i.e. I'm at work, and can't
look it up :) ).

Wasn't aware of current ATI problems, but then again, I haven't bought an
ATI in a long time...

Now, as for whether the driver is provided by Microsoft or the vendor, I
can't say.  I'd assume that I can look that up in Control Panel -> System,
and once I look up the specific vendor, maybe downloading the vendor's
driver (if different from the one loaded) will help.

I appreciate the suggestion of vendor vs. MS drivers, though.  I looked up
the version of the driver on my system, and then looked up the version on
the HP (it's an HP Pavilion zd7000 laptop).  The driver on my machine is
newer than the driver on the HP Support site, but I have to admit that I
didn't notice the source of the driver.  A little homework and research is
in order.  If I'm lucky, updating the driver will fix the problem.  Driver
issues were what I was thinking might be wrong, too , but who knows.

Thanks,
Steve

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 Two questions - is it an ATI video card?

And when you say newest drivers - is that the newest drivers from Microsoft,
or the newest drivers direct from your vendor?  Or maybe media center
edition doesn't let you install any drivers unless they are Microsoft
approved?

In my experience, windows provided drivers are quite outdated - and in the
case of ATI - their drivers in the past have not been worth 2 cents.  I was
happy when they finally released a build of the drivers that didn't
bluescreen my machine once a day  


RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-14 Thread Armbrust, Daniel C.
 Two questions - is it an ATI video card?

And when you say newest drivers - is that the newest drivers from Microsoft, or the 
newest drivers direct from your vendor?  Or maybe media center edition doesn't let you 
install any drivers unless they are Microsoft approved?

In my experience, windows provided drivers are quite outdated - and in the case of ATI 
- their drivers in the past have not been worth 2 cents.  I was happy when they 
finally released a build of the drivers that didn't bluescreen my machine once a 
day  


Re: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?

2004-07-14 Thread Alexander Gottwald
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote:

> Using latest cywin, downloaded/installed 07/13/2004.
> 
> Can reproduce an XP blue screen, by starting a cygwin shell, and typing
> 'startx'.
 
This is the first report of a blue screen since a long time. 
 
> Scenario 1:  New terminal appears.  after a little bit of time, the machine
> will blue screen/reboot.
> 
> Scenario 2:  after startx brings up window, use ssh -X -l username
> to.some.linux.box; run startkde, and blue screen/reboot occurs.
> 
> Can reproduce this behavior.
> 
> Have the latest drivers for my video card.

maybe the network driver is the cause.

> Not sure how to start debugging/narrowing down what might be causing this.
> Any suggestions?  Any known issues relating to this that I'm missing?
> Searched archives, but haven't seen anything specific to my situation (at
> least not yet!).

you can change the way how XWin draws to the screen.  try 
startx -- -engine 1
startx -- -engine 2
startx -- -engine 4
startx -- -engine 8

does any of these modes work?

bye
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