Re: Internet Driver's License: Et tu, Brutus?
At 3:01 AM -0400 8/31/00, damaged justice wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/nl/0826/cailliau.html The "co-inventor of the World Wide Web" expounds thusly: Q: How would your licence system work? Would I have to take a test to use the Web? A: Exactly like driving licences. They do not ensure that you will not break the speed limit, but they can be taken away if you do. And again: a traffic regulation only limits behaviour, not content. You can drive where you want, when you want, provided you do it with safe behaviour towards other traffic users. What I want is behaviour regulation. We should all know what our rights and duties are. Teach it in schools. Hand out a licence that shows one has passed a test of minimal awareness. Amongst his many travesties, he first claims that these licenses "can be taken away if you do," and in the same paragraph claims they are only to show that one has "passed a test of minimal awareness." Needless to say, net.dummies like Gore or Liebermann or Bush would not have their net licenses cancelled for doing something dumb on the Net, thus showing their basic ineptitude. Rather, the accounts of "white supremacists" and "hate mongers" would be the ones cancelled. This is the way it always works. Tutsis would cancel Hutus, Paks would cancel Indians, negroes would cancel honkies, Southern Law Poverty Center would cancel White Aryan Resistance, and so on. Giving the herd or its nominal herdsmen the right to revoke Net access is just what the statists have always wanted. Frankly, this guy has been spouting this kind of stuff for way too long. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: SF Internet self-defense course
At 01:11 PM 8/29/00 +0200, Tom Vogt wrote: Tim May wrote: are you required to provide your private keys to an enemy (e.g. someone who is sueing you) ? .. I expect 95% or more of all encryption is done at the transport layer, i.e., for transmission. Most peoplee, I surmise, keep their original compositions in unencrypted form and their decrypted transmissions in that form, too. The perceived threat model is for interception by ISPs, snoops, and government agencies. that's where good software comes in. mutt, for example, stores the received encrypted mail - well, encrypted. decryption is done when you view the mail. also, encrypted mails you send are encrypted twice - once with the receipient's key and sent to him, once with your key for your "outbox" archive. The Eudora PGP Plug-In deliberately decrypts received mail and stores it unencrypted, specifically to discourage the "You must escrow your private keys so we can decode your plaintext" attacks that the FBI/NSA/WhiteHouse anti-crypto mafia were pushing a couple of years ago. That's a different issue from storing your mailbox in a PGPdisk volume or some other encrypted filesystem or having the mail decryptor re-encrypt for storage with a different key (which wouldn't be that hard, since you could use a different public key to encrypt the session key and leave the symmetric-encrypted part of the message alone.) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
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Re: Internet Driver's License: Et tu, Brutus?
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Tim May wrote: Frankly, this guy has been spouting this kind of stuff for way too long. And probably gets press just because his views are so thoroughly fascist. I say anyone with this infantile level of philosophical development should be prevented from using the internet. Yes, definitely crank out those licenses and he doesn't get one. jim
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At 08:45 AM 8/31/2000 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was wondering if there is a way u can listen to a 900 mhz cordless phone conversation from some type of scanner , and be able to pinpoint the exact phone? and i was wondering can u bugg a cordless phone ? can u bugg a yes there is - its called fox finding. you need triangulate the location of the phonenot hard to do..why do you want to bug a phone when your listing to it on the scanner? To listen on a scanner you'll need to build a down converterhaving built many...may i suggest that you look for schematics on old electronic magstheir a good source... for long distance listening - use a laser listener.radio electronics had planed to build onei never did but i saw one in action..sweet. bug a cordless phone without being seenisn't that like breaking and entering? cordless phone without being seen? is there listening devices that can go thru houses to hear?
Re: Internet Driver's License: Et tu, Brutus?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 11:46 AM -0700 on 8/31/00, sunder wrote: This is the same arguement I have against the DeCSS injunction. Once I have the media, no matter what format it is in, I should be able to do *ANYTHING* I wish to do with it Quoted deliberately out of context for brevity ;-). Agreed, but I would also add, "including selling it". As I like to say, in paraphrase of what others(1) have said many times before me, if it's encrypted, and I have the key it's my *property*. Plug that, and internet bearer cash transactions, into Coase's theorem, and everyone makes more money, including, oddly enough every intermediary between the artist and his markets on the internet. Just about the only people who get "hurt" are the lawyers, or, more properly, legislators... Bits for sale on the net shouldn't require a "license", period. In fact, eventually, "should" will not have anything to do with it, the economics, not to mention the physics, of digital commerce being what it is... Cheers, RAH (1) See many people on this, not just my "geodesic recursive auction" glossalalia :-), but, certainly before that, Eric Hughes' "universal piracy", the Agorics' folks "digital silk road", and probably many before those even... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQEVAwUBOa6DdsUCGwxmWcHhAQEDvAf/aSPPZ6dhHMBkI3DMr8XX2KqW4ljCNwWd z6De2G45vx477VxgOoPgxrpL/7+xvfWDsWeznXq7VY9nfrnK7OZNaivCAqtduKSk I6p6c6yQDVbzfdsZqzOsD1cryw9TLto1/nfB6w8jF350skrh+5eixrIyOPYXFhyA PTqZL3oWhPHvtbdSS4JuUQ3hKlSU8mNJP5JnNvlXxlX2TgKynwZa5Dz+ks5Zl9Hu gUzJ04YNQ+isgJhNozgnIQExGnrkTazmOwY2+Q9MDbjEOVmNag23k/1kAQ/60Hus d3TMIe3yUWnlAduOpJ+9EszTZx68DBbOoKV4+0Wp6dDRnRZOrevVhQ== =Rbq9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Good work by FBI and SEC on Emulex fraud case
I just watched the live press conference by the FBI, District Attorney's Office, and SEC folks. The full story should be on Yahoo and other news sites. The gist is that an arrest was made this morning. A former Internet Wire employee, who left in early August, was the arrestee. Internet Wire was of course the service which passed on the false press release. The e-mail was traced back to a public access computer at El Camino Community College, in the LA area. The arrestee was enrolled during the summer at this college, was known to use these computers, and in fact was seen last Thursday night using the public computers, at the time when the e-mail was sent from one of these computers (in a media lab of some sort). The cops apparently correlated former and current Internet Wire (and probably other companies, like Emulex, Bloomberg, PR Newswire, etc.) with employees and students at El Camino. The FBI/SEC obtained his stock trading records, determined that he had shorted Emulex at around $70, had then lost a lot of money as Emulex went up above $100, and then had bought stock in Emulex as the stock fell to $45 after the hoax. (There may have been various put and call trades...consult the detailed stories.) In short, this was classic FBI and law enforcement legwork: correlations, subpoenas, and, as appropriate and with warrants, searches and arrests. Kudos. I mention this here on Cypherpunks because this is an example of how law enforcement should work. By contrast, imagine the enforcement protocol in a Big Brotherish world of intercepts, escrow, bans on encryption, etc. There _was_ some rhetoric at the press conference about "hiding behind the Internet." Of course, this message was not "strongly untraceable." It was almost trivially traceable. And traced to a former employee (probably disgruntled, but I am only speculating) of Internet Wire who had specific knowledge of how press releases were handled, how the authentication could be spoofed, etc. Now, what if the perp had used "Cypherpunks technologies"? Aside from the likely subpoenas of Anonymizer, Inc., and varous remailers, the cops could have sought search warrants of the employees who departed, obtained records of their stock trades, etc. Someday, truly strong methods will be more widespread. Along with trading accounts unlinkable to meatspace names. Will this thwart such efforts to catch fraudsters? To some extent, yes. However, such a world will produce other changes which work in the other direction. Digitally-signed press releases, for example, are easy to do. (And I expect them to start happening Real Soon Now. Possibly with the strong urging of the SEC and others.) So, kudos to the FBI and SEC for their detective work. And let it be a lesson that we don't need a Big Brother world to stop computer crime. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: Good work by FBI and SEC on Emulex fraud case
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 12:50:58PM -0700, Tim May wrote: I just watched the live press conference by the FBI, District Attorney's Office, and SEC folks. The full story should be on Yahoo and other news sites. The gist is that an arrest was made this morning. A former Internet Wire employee, who left in early August, was the arrestee. Internet Wire was of course the service which passed on the false press release. [...] However, such a world will produce other changes which work in the other direction. Digitally-signed press releases, for example, are easy to do. (And I expect them to start happening Real Soon Now. Possibly with the strong urging of the SEC and others.) A small note: IW digitally-signing the releases would not have made a difference in this case-- the guy used his knowledge of IW's procedures to social-engineer IW into accepting the fake release without doing their usual checking procedures. The story last saturday in the Merc about this said something to the effect that he'd fooled the "day staff" into beleiving that the "night staff" had already approved the release, and thus the "day staff" didn't need to do any fact checking. If they did digitally sign the releases, this one would have been so signed. Of course that doesn't make it any less untrue. The signature just protects it from detectable modification _after_ it's been sent. When/if we do ever have the common use of digitally-signed PR, documents etc, I wonder how much people will be fooled into thinking that the contents must be correct, because after all, they're signed? -- Eric Murray http://www.lne.com/ericm ericm at lne.com PGP keyid:E03F65E5 Consulting Security Architect
Re: Princess Di, Echelon, the Trial Lawyers
Yeah, but there's always the old "sources and methods" excuse (based on personal experience). Seems to require many more lawyer cycles than I can afford... Regards, Rich -Original Message- From: Duncan Frissell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:22 PM Subject: Princess Di, Echelon, the Trial Lawyers So Dodi's dad and Princess Di's once future father in law Mohamed Fayed is suing the Feds for intelligence intercepts related to the British plot to kill the Princess to keep her from marrying outside of her race. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50145-2000Aug30.html Lawsuit Seeks Secret Files In Death of Princess Diana What all the coverage ignored was the Echelon link. Mohamed is really asking for the Echelon intercepts on Di. If the White Commonwealth plus the US are going to set up a worldwide spy system so they can trade intercepts on their own subjects and tap the Wogs to boot, then they are going to end up (in theory) knowing everything about everything including MI6 plots to off Di. Beyond this they will also know everything about Presidential coupling, and all the nefarious plans of Big Tobacco, and the Drug Companies' pricing strategies and everything else. If those records exist, then they can, in theory, be subpoenaed. And it's only a matter of time before the trial bar calls in its markers from the Demon-Cat Party and gets access. Won't that be fun. Broad civil discovery, indeed. DCF Johnny had four truckloads of plutonium. Johnny used four truckloads of plutonium to light New York City for a year. Then how many truckloads of plutonium did Johnny have? Six! -- Breeder reactor ad from the glory days of nuclear power at the Edison Electric Institute.
Re: Princess Di, Echelon, the Trial Lawyers
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Rich Ankney wrote: Yeah, but there's always the old "sources and methods" excuse (based on personal experience). Seems to require many more lawyer cycles than I can afford... Me too. But Fayed can afford LOTS of lawyer cycles. The man has earned his tenth or eleventh digit of money (and "money" in this case doesn't mean yen, pesos, or rials -- it's a real currency, with a unit size bigger than dollars). Of course, the effectiveness of those lawyer cycles will be reduced by the fact that he's not an American Citizen. It'll be easier for the NSA or whoever to deny his appeal based on rules about "releasing to foreign nationals..." than it would be if an American with the same resources were going for it. Bear
Re: Robert Cailliau: turncoat?
At 07:39 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, you wrote: At 12:10 PM + 8/30/00, Gil Hamilton wrote: Co-inventor of Web calls for "licence" to surf http://www.voila.co.uk/News/afp/media/000824125848.cf6z21i5.html "Unfortunately we have a global network, a global economy and global companies, but we have not got a global legal system. Never before have we lived in a situation like this." Excuse me... I have to go vomit now. That headline should be: "Co-inventor of Web *still* calling for 'licence' to surf". Here's a story from last October: http://www.forbes.com/forbesglobal/99/1018/0221020a.htm Twenty years from now Cailliau will still be stamping his feet and prattling on about the "dangers" of the Internet and how governments need to "do something" about it. Whatever value he contributed to the 'net is now history. Ironic that, as near as I can tell, _all_ of the many self-proclaimed "co-inventors of the Web" are calling for regulation, licensing, punishment of the politically incorrect, and persecution of capitalists. The anarchy of the Net is poetic justice. Nature of the beast. You "create" something, and you feel that you should decide how it's used. If you "create" a podium, and someone steps up and gives a speach that is diametrically opposed to what you stand for, or even slightly different, you're going to want to find some way to keep that individual off of Your podium. Doesn't make it right, nor, thankfully, practical. As regards Petro's response to same. Read up on the history of the U.S.A., and U.K. Unless I've misinterpreted, slaves were forbidden to learn to read in the U.S. Native Americans were made to give up thier traditions in favor of "civilized" customs. And the Irish were similary denied the ability to read, or to play thier traditional music. (Bards tended to sing songs counter to the english policies.) Last I heard, the bagpipe was still considered a weapon. If I heard right, It became illegal to speak Scottish Gaelic, for a time. Interestingly enough, all happened for the same reason. To suppress opposition to the ruling class. Good luck, Sean Roach
Re: Robert Cailliau: turncoat?
My error. Sunder, not Petro. My apologies to both. Good luck, Sean
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i was wondering if there is a way u can listen to a 900 mhz cordless phone conversation from some type of scanner , and be able to pinpoint the exact phone? and i was wondering can u bugg a cordless phone ? can u bugg a cordless phone without being seen? is there listening devices that can go thru houses to hear?
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At 1:32 PM -0400 8/31/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know any child porn sider i beg you please send me some! I see the cops in Smalltown, U.S.A. have returned from their Conference on Law Enforcement Advanced Tactics and are practicing their newfound skills in logging-on and entrapping babyrapers and freethinkers and cyberterrorists. Good to know our tax dollars are hard at work. I'm sending this yahoo some of what he craves. (In a separate file.) --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
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