CW blocks Internet phone calls in the Caymans

2000-09-05 Thread Private User

http://www.totaltele.com/view.asp?ArticleID=30234pub=ttcategoryid=626

Internet  E-commerce

CW blocks Internet phone calls in the Caymans
By Rick Catlin, Reuters 24 August 2000 

Officials of communications giant Cable  Wireless , which has a monopoly
on the Cayman Islands, have begun blocking Internet subscribers on the
islands from using the U.S.-based Net2Phone long distance phone service
that charges a fraction of what CW charges Cayman customers.

The move came after CW sent an e-mail to its Internet subscribers
on the islands, a major financial centre, earlier this month advising
them they were breaking their contract with CW by using the Internet
for phone services.

The Net2Phone system uses the Internet to make long distance calls,
by-passing the traditional telephone service and charging far less.

CW spokesperson Tina Trumbach confirmed the blockage on Wednesday, adding
that any other similar system that can be detected will be blocked.

She noted that company officials last year indicated publicly they
would not be blocking Net2Phone at that time as long as usage
did not seriously affect CW revenues.

Since then, the technology to block systems such as Net2Phone has become
available as CW's long distance revenues have been declining and Net2Phone
usage has increased.

UK-based Cable  Wireless is one of the world's largest telecommunications
companies and in the Cayman Islands alone, the company generates more than
$50 million in net profits annually, according to government figures,
from a country of just 45,000 people.

CW has an exclusive 25-year contract with the Cayman government signed in
1991 to be the sole provider of telecommunications service to the Cayman
Islands.
In return, CW pays 6 percent of its gross revenues to the government
annually,
which two years ago amounted to about US$10 million.

Recently, the company has indicated a willingness to accept competition in a
"structured" and "regulated" environment.

Trumbach said the company will soon offer further price reductions on
Internet service to various business customers. But the company said
it could not sustain a trend of lowering prices if there were a
proliferation of "prohibited usage."

The Cayman Islands, a British colony of three islands in the
western Caribbean, have a population of about 45,000 and more than
40,000 registered companies, including nearly 600 banks and trusts
and nearly 500 captive insurance companies.

It has been estimated that about 2,000 CW customers in the Cayman Islands
used Net2Phone or similar service. CW could not confirm that number.

Businessman William Peguero, whose company was selling "YapJacks"
- the device that enables Internet telephone communication -
vowed to fight CW in the courts. He said he has already obtained
more than 1,000 signatures on a petition
calling for an end to the CW monopoly in the Cayman Islands and open
competition to lower rates.

"Jurisdictions including Jamaica, Bermuda, Hong Kong and others around
the world have ended the Cable  Wireless monopoly on telecommunications
through the introduction of competition," he said. "In each case,
the services offered are better and the pricing for those services
lowered for the citizens and businesses in those countries."

He also claimed CW has no legal right to block access to any Internet
service.

The current CW long-distance rate for a business hours call to
North America is $1.50 per minute. Peguero said he was able to
make calls on Net2Phone for about 13 cents per minute.

Net2Phone attorney Steve Dorry in New York said his company had no comment on
the matter "at this time."

He added, however, that the company would be addressing the legal issue
"in the proper forum" in the very near future.

Dorry said he expected similar action by CW in other jurisdictions where it
operates as a monopoly, particularly in the English-speaking Caribbean.

Several years ago, when some Cayman Islands businesses bought in to a
call back system in the United States to provide long distance service
cheaper than normal CW rates, the company was able to effectively
identify and block call back usage from specific telephones.







Re: Is kerberos broken?

2000-09-05 Thread petro

petro wrote:
  Of course, a *simple* substitution of one word (or even
  spaces) would make this *much* harder.

  "Friends, Romulans, fellow countrymen, lend me your beers..."

not likely. crack has been guessing simple substitutions for years.

Crack has been guessing "simple" substitutions at the character level.

It gets a bit unwieldy and time consuming when running brute 
force attack against a 50 or 60 character string.

-- 
A quote from Petro's Archives:   ***
Today good taste is often erroneously rejected as old-fashioned
because ordinary man, seeking approval of his so-called personality,
prefers to follow the dictates of his own peculiar style rather than
submit to any objective criterion of taste.--Jan Tschichold




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Re: europe physical meeting

2000-09-05 Thread Julian Assange

 that's why I'm looking for a place with outside tables. you can just
 wander by and see the group, the crypto books, whatever.

The leather. The babes. The machisimo.




Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)

2000-09-05 Thread Jim Burnes

On Mon, 04 Sep 2000, Jim Dixon wrote:
an invasion and the way the Saxons were treated; but the
  Normans were just copying the Romans, and the Romans were just copying
  the Greeks.

 It's easy to look at history in this way, seeing some people as
 villians and other as victims.  But do remember that St Patrick
 wasn't Irish at all.  He was an English boy, stolen by Irish pirates
 and sold into slavery in Ireland.  And for centuries English kings
 used Irish mercenaries to subdue their unruly subjects.


Actually, St. Patrick is mostly a mythical creature constructed
from the actual Roman ruling family Patricias.  The whole St. Patrick
chasing out the snakes is clearly a metaphor for the Roman church
killing off the pagans.

As is typical amonst the Roman church, the peasants, once suitably
under control are made to believe the destruction of the old way of
life was actually a blessing.  The Romans pushed this on them until
the old ways faded into the memory hole.




Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)

2000-09-05 Thread ocorrain

--- Start of forwarded message ---

Actually, St. Patrick is mostly a mythical creature constructed
from the actual Roman ruling family Patricias.

Humph, said the camel...

If so, did this 'actual Roman ruling family' author the works attributed
(with scholarly acuuracy) to Patrick?

More likely Patrick came from a romano-british family, probably an
aristrocratic one. Many british chieftain families would have
arrogated to themselves the name 'patrician', which was no more
than a descriptive term for the gentes maiores in Rome, the Valerii,
Claudii, Fabii and so on. A bit like the second names 'King' and
'Knight'.

 The whole St. Patrick
chasing out the snakes is clearly a metaphor for the Roman church
killing off the pagans.

As is typical amonst the Roman church, the peasants, once suitably
under control are made to believe the destruction of the old way of
life was actually a blessing.  The Romans pushed this on them until
the old ways faded into the memory hole.

First off, the Church as it existed then was not the 'Roman church'. This
was before the schisms and the rise of Islam, when the Christian Church was 
administered from distributed nodes (the Patriarchates of Byzantium, Antioch, 
Jerusalem,
Alexandria and Rome).

Secondly, your assertion about the meaning of Patrick and the snakes is dubious. I
agree it is evidently a myth, but would posit a more likely source
in paganism. Many Irish gods and godesses survived well into the
Christian era (some even to this day) as 'saints' of the Church. While
Patrick was a historical figure, the scribes may well have thought
his career too dull for one of such fame, and decided to conflate
several already existing myths, and add them to the story. A common
practice in Hollywood these days -- a recent example is Braveheart,
where the military innovations of Robert the Bruce (a Norman, just like
the French-speaking Edward I, which is not mentioned) were ascribed
to the medieval feminist, democratic new man William Wallace. Hagiographies
are propaganda aimed at the time in which they are written.

[Off topic completely here, but I read that for the last years of his
life, Stalin's only reading was his own official biography... falling
in love with the myth of himself, or taken in by his own deceit?]

Thirdly, Patrick's conversion of the Irish was not a conquest. Nor was
the conversion of much of Europe. It's very easy, from a post-religious
perspective, to be nostalgic about paganism, since we understand almost
nothing of it. Neo-pagan movements are generally comic, not in their
internal ideas, but in the notion that they are somehow recapturing 
an old religion, a religion without scriptures or documents or a 
continuous tradition.

All the best

Tiarnan




Re: RC4 source as a literate program

2000-09-05 Thread Gary Jeffers

Fellow Cypherpunks,

 THE LAWYER GAMBIT

   I remember reading in old anti-IRS literature about a technique for
avoiding prosecutions. A client would tell a lawyer that he wanted to
do something and would ask if it were legal to do. The lawyer would
then give his opinion as to wheather it was legal or not. If the lawyer
said that it was legal and gave his opinion in writing, then the
client could proceed without out worry. The lawyer's opinion would stop
any criminal prosecution.

   I wonder if this would work with publishing crypt code. I think it
might put the lawyer at risk. If we had a lawyer who really thought
that publishing crypt code on the Internet was legal and wasn't afraid
of sticking his neck out then his published statement on the Internet
to this might open the floodgates of crypt code Internet posting for
Americans.

   Donald has stated that the law in this area is quite vague. I would
think even if the law prohibited it, then the law would be unconstitu-
tional and therefore null and void.

   Any thoughts on this?

Yours Truly,
Gary Jeffers

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Re: RC4 source as a literate program

2000-09-05 Thread dmolnar



On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Gary Jeffers wrote:

 then give his opinion as to wheather it was legal or not. If the lawyer
 said that it was legal and gave his opinion in writing, then the
 client could proceed without out worry. The lawyer's opinion would stop
 any criminal prosecution.

Does this really work? I can't imagine this working for murder (but on the
other hand, that's  a bad example since it's unreasonable to imagine
murder legal in the USA). Even for something like tax laws or other
complicated regulations this sounds dubious. 

 
I wonder if this would work with publishing crypt code. I think it
 might put the lawyer at risk. If we had a lawyer who really thought

Well, a lawyer who advised a client that something was legal when in fact
it wasn't might have a problem. 

 that publishing crypt code on the Internet was legal and wasn't afraid
 of sticking his neck out then his published statement on the Internet
 to this might open the floodgates of crypt code Internet posting for
 Americans.

Such a statement would help, but more because it would be from an expert
on the law than because of any legal shield. I am not a lawyer, and so I'd
like to have one's opinion before doing anything that could land me in
jail. That kind of thing.

 
Donald has stated that the law in this area is quite vague. I would
 think even if the law prohibited it, then the law would be unconstitu-
 tional and therefore null and void.
 

Prohibiting what - publishing cryptography code?
In any case, even if the law is unconstitutional, you may have to go
through several layers of court cases to prove it. c.f. Bernstein. :(

-David




Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)

2000-09-05 Thread A. Melon

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's very easy, from a post-religious
 perspective, to be nostalgic about paganism, since we understand almost
 nothing of it. Neo-pagan movements are generally comic, not in their
 internal ideas, but in the notion that they are somehow recapturing 
 an old religion, a religion without scriptures or documents or a 
 continuous tradition.


   Humph, said the camel... indeed!

   Nonsense, says religionmonger. You obviously haven't researched the
pagan world to much depth. Druids, for instance, have a strong, clear
line going way back, as do Wiccans. Because of persecution by the 
God-damned church, they spent a long time underground, but there's never
been a time when they weren't active and working. *You* understand 
nothing of it, and never will unless you could somehow convince some
group to initiate you, which is unlikely. 
  Scriptures and documents, dear one, play no part in earth and goddess 
centered religions. Shamans, for instance, are called personally by their
spirits, taught by the same, etc., and it's all very much a personalized 
experience. Experiential religions have no need of scripture -- that's the
bailiwick of the later, false, paternalistic, religions of the dominator
cultures.  




U.S. Justice Department, Leading Technology Association Launch Web Site...

2000-09-05 Thread Declan McCullagh



Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:27:04 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: U.S. Justice Department, Leading Technology Association Launch 
Web Site...



U.S. Justice Department, Leading Technology Association Launch Web Site
   To Teach Children Responsible Computer Use

   Offers Parents, Educators Back-To-School Tools To
 Teach Kids About Online Ethics

 ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- As America's children go back to
school, The Cybercitizen Partnership, a joint effort by the U.S. Department of
Justice and the Information Technology Association of America Foundation
(ITAA), the nation's leading technology association, today launched a new Web
site for parents and educators designed to teach kids the right ways to use
the Internet.
 The new Web site -- http://www.cybercitizenship.org -- represents a major
national effort to provide teachers, parents and their children with a new
learning tool -- responsible computer use.  The Web site is initially focused
on providing support for parents, and will expand to assist teachers and
appeal to kids.
 "Young people are growing up in a society where the Internet is 
 central to
everything from commerce to recreation," said U.S. Attorney General Janet
Reno.  "Unfortunately, criminal activity exists online just as it does on the
streets.  As children learn basic rules about right and wrong in the off-line
world, they must also learn about acceptable behavior on the Internet."
 "This is a first-of-its kind government/private sector initiative to help
kids realize that the rules of the road in the off-line world also apply in
the online world," said ITAA President Harris N. Miller.  "As the Internet
becomes more important to our daily lives, this initiative will help kids make
informed decisions about online behavior."
 The Cybercitizen Partnership was formed last year to focus national
attention on cyber social behavior and the importance of teaching young
computer users to recognize that, in addition to protecting themselves from
the more unsavory and potentially dangerous behavior found in parts of the
Internet, they must understand that, when online, they are responsible for
their own actions and that these actions have consequences both for themselves
and others.  The same standards of ethics expected in the off-line world must
be applied to the online world.  The Web site will provide parents with
several tools including:

 *  Teachable Moments:  Tips to help parents use real-life events, news
stories and examples to help them talk to their kids about the
responsibilities they must accept when using the Internet;

 *  Links:  Relevant sites to connect parents to other programs and
organizations offering helpful information;

 *  Logo:  A kid-friendly character, created specifically for The
Cybercitizen Partnership, that reminds young computer users to "Surf Like A
Hero, Not A Zero"

 *  Current Events: Useful news coverage on cyber ethics and cyber crimes
and a calendar of events for educational programs;

 *  White Paper:  A situation analysis and call-to-action addressing the
need to educate children about responsible cyber social behavior;

 *  Ask The Experts:  A list of experts on cyber ethics, who will be
available to respond to email inquiries from visitors to the site.

 "Now that students have rapidly increasing access to the Internet at
school and at home, the key is to excite them while teaching them the right
way to use the new medium," said Van B. Honeycutt, president and CEO of
Computer Sciences Corporation and chairman of The Cybercitizen Partnership.
"Our children represent the future technology workforce, which is why it's so
important for industry to play a major role in helping kids learn responsible
cyber behavior."
 The Web site will evolve and eventually include:  a directory of
educational initiatives across the country dedicated to integrating messages
about responsible cyber social behavior; new links to valuable Web sites; and
interactive tools for parents and teachers on cyber ethics.
 Announced in March of 1999 by the U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, The
Cybercitizen Partnership serves as an umbrella organization to identify cyber
social behavior initiatives and to help create a movement to address legal and
ethical issues online.  Current supporters of the program include: Computer
Sciences Corporation (www.csc.com ); Oracle (www.oracle.com );
www.onehealthbank.com ; MERANT (www.merant.com ); Mirus Information Systems
(www.mirusinfo.com ); Stanford Consulting Group, Cyveillance, Inc., iDefense
(www.idefense.com ), the Recording Industry Association of America
(www.RIAA.com ) and BITS, the Technology Group for the Financial Services
sector (www.bankersround.org ).

 About ITAA
 The Information Technology Association of 

jerry boutelle

2000-09-05 Thread billp

http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/load2.htm

We are moving ahead.

Keep up-wind.




Re: europe physical meeting

2000-09-05 Thread Ryan Lackey

 update on HavenCo

I'll probably be showing up to the meeting, provided it is held someplace
interesting (Amsterdam, London, Berlin, Copenhagen are interesting; Osnabrueck
is NOT.)  I've started attending London 2600 whenever I'm in London,
and might go to a CCC event if I pick up some more German between now
and then.

I can bring some cool toys (legal in Europe) for people to play with, too.

If you get any UK attendees, they'll probably want to talk about RIP,
which is a mind-crushingly boring topic.  I think an update on
publius/freenet/mojo/etc. would be quite interesting, however.

-- 
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Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)

2000-09-05 Thread James A. Donald

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   When Patrick didn't do what he was told, I'm sure that his masters
   made no effort to learn his language.  They just shouted at him
   louder in Gaelic.

At 07:17 PM 9/4/2000 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Patrick would have spoken Gaelic or Latin as his first language.The
  Irish would have been no more difficult to understand than a
  Californian to a Noo Yawker. The upper echelons of Irish society may
  even have spoken Latin.

  The upper echelons of Irish society did not speak Latin, and the 
inhabitants of England at that time did not speak Gaelic.  Ireland had 
never been conquered by the Romans.  Latin had long since ceased to be the 
language of civilization, and had become merely the language of 
conquerors.  Irish literature at the time was vigorous and thriving, while 
secular Roman literature at the time was non-existent.  The nearest thing 
to literate and readable works produced in Latin at that time were 
evangelical texts created Christian proselytizers.   The greatest 
literature of that era was Augustine's "confessions", which gives you an 
indication of how low the Roman civilization had sunk.   At that time 
people learnt latin only because their masters shouted at them in latin, 
not because there was anything interesting to read or hear.

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Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)

2000-09-05 Thread James A. Donald

 --
At 07:06 PM 9/5/2000 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  More likely Patrick came from a romano-british family, probably an
  aristrocratic one. Many british chieftain families would have
  arrogated to themselves the name 'patrician',

If he came from an aristocratic family, he would have been ransomed.   He 
was not.

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Re: de minimus non curat lex

2000-09-05 Thread Mac Norton

The law does not care for trifles.
MacN

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 what does this mean