Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:26:32AM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

> I wasn't flattering Boyce.  He was spontaneously nice and tried to help an
> unknowed person in need.  It was good and I liked his message suggestion.
> Alexander, I had you as my friend and you called me a hypocrite, a false,
> just for being fair.

All are entitled to their own definitions of in particular words and
phrases:
 - fair
 - hierarchy of principles
 - uncrossable lines/ unbreakable principles

Lack of clarity on some fundamentals, can be dangerous - the "moral
relativism" of many in the West, and I say the heart of the decent of
the West into despotism and much abject evil.

When you were named by Boyce as a rape apologist, you tried to call him
out on that (which I say was a very good thing to do).

Boyce did not apologise to you.

Based on these facts, Boyce is evidently compromised. Compromised in
respect of principles that I hold dear, compromised in spirit. Boyce has
thus far demonstrated that he cannot be trusted to act in accord with
certain principles which I hold fundamental.


(It was my intention then to try to support you in some way, to try to
help the public (email) conversation that was happening at the time - I
was incensed by the total lack of public statements by those at Tor Inc
to uphold justice and righteousness.)


Unfortunately (in my opinion), you then chose to try to "get back in his
good books". OK, that is of course your choice.

You can say you are "just being fair". That is your opinion. You are
entitled to your opinion of course.

I am of course free to hold a differing opinion.


> I never understand Zenaan's attacks, but he broke my heart saying that
> "exploding Hiroshima was beautiful under an artistic point of view".

Firstly, you still misunderstand those words I wrote. May be read them
again / in precision. Anyway, regarding the words I actually spoke, you
may find (and it was my intention) that I was actually attempting
(however badly) to agree with you on something I thought you said - to
demonstrate to you a bit of empathy with you "even though I thought what
you'd just said was a bit stupid" - but it turns out, I had
misunderstood your words.

And it turns out you did not see my (bad) attempt to "wear your hat"
(which was not actually your hat, just miscommunication).

And that's all ok. I made a mistake, you made a mistake. We are human
and we should forgive ourselves. Grudge is not helpful for my energy
levels. Guilt is also not helpful. Probably same for you.

I let it go at the time - the soap opera is not useful for you, for me
or any one - it's just entertainment for the emotional body, and I
didn't need to prove to you or anyone "no really, I made a mistake" -
just more soap opera, see?

I apologize for misunderstanding your words.


> Shit,
> part of my family died in that nuclear explosion.  I love fire, but no
> suffering, no pain and dead people.  It was cruel, a huge massacre.

I agree with you.

I have typed words and posted links in support of my position that the
USA committed an outrageous war crime by dropping the two atomic bombs
on Japan - Japan was asking (offering, you would never say the Japanese
were "begging") for a truce and surrender.

The USA wanted to "teach Russia a lesson" and as is their way, they
decided that killing, maiming and poisoning to death so many Japanese
was "an acceptable thing to do". That is just one of the oh so many
evils of the USA and it's government organs and representatives, and
such and like evils continue to this very day - day in, day out, USA
military is totally illegally droning "brown people" to death, all over
the middle east and Africa in particular, but also elsewhere.

(My ex-wife (a lovely Japanese girl) grew up in Nagasaki.)


> He never asked pardon.

It is easy to not hear another's actual intention when my emotions go
into reaction. May be this happened with you...


> Talking about painful and embarrassing things, I suggest Zenaan to see
> old censored pics of an orgy, where Putin was part.

I would not do so. No sexual attraction to VVP, and given his role and
position as leader of 170 million people and a great and vast nation,
and presumably no intention to release such pictures publicly, also I
would give him the respect to not observe such of his private life even
if that possibility arose for me.


> I know Jake is innocent.

I don't know him, so I don't know for "100% certainty", but the public
record against him is absolutely damning --- against his accusers ---
(well, at least some of them - it's off the charts offensive, violating
all sense of justice and righteousness - but that is evidently the
nature of those new controllers on the Tor Inc board).

What has happened can diplomatically be called "a travesty of justice"
(even no matter the facts we do not see publicly, whatever they are).
Travesty for JA, travesty for any individuals actually mistreated by JA
in alleged sexual matters (assuming mistreatment/ 

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:17:11PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/10/06/2015-25373/established-aggregate-production-quotas-for-schedule-i-and-ii-controlled-substances-and-assessment
> 
> This final order establishes the initial 2016 aggregate production
> quotas for controlled substances in schedules I and II of the
> Controlled Substances Act (CSA) and the assessment of annual needs for
> the list I chemicals

"Annual needs" being a euphemism for "how much we need to prop up the
black markets to keep our black market profits as high as possible.

Re: FBI says foreign hackers have penetrated US state election databases.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:54:06PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 08/29/2016 06:30 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> > https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-says-foreign-hackers-penetrated-001
> 75.html
> >
> > 
> https://s.yimg.com/dh/ap/politics/images/boe_flash_aug_2016_final.pdf
> > 
> > The FBI has uncovered evidence that foreign hackers penetrated two
> > state election databases...
> 
> This is an outrage!  That information is supposed to cost money,
> dammit.  It's public record and anyone can buy it, so the Russians had
> no business breaking in to copy it.  Cheap bastards.

Preparing the public for their next story:

 "Alarm as Russian hackers sway the voting machines to Trump in
  69 swing states."

Current theory is, if Trump does get in, he'll be another JFK.

Re: cpunks list relocation imminent (was: Re: moving on)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 01:34:45PM -0400, Juan wrote:
> Please let this list die as it is infested with hate, drugs and
> illegal hacking. Do you want to be responsible for providing a place
> for these activities to happen?
> 
> J

Should probably have a list new member introduction policy:
To introduce yourself, send an email as somone already on the list,
introducing you in a way which would be out of character for them.

Or something :)

Re: Correction [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 07:53:13AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> Sorry Zenaan. I attributed Juan's quote to you

:/  was hoping you wouldn't notice

No probs

Re: state of the torrent?

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 03:16:40PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Any recommendations?

Given gen Y levels of patience, google turned out to be the rapide
answer machine today :)

Re: [tor-talk] My absence from the mailing lists...

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 03:58:44PM +0200, carlo von lynX wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:44:55AM -0400, Nathaniel Suchy wrote:
> > On 2016-08-28 02:18, Andreas Krey wrote:
> > >On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:25:58 +, carlo von lynX wrote:
> > >...
> > >>I still don't understand why you guys hang out on a public surveilled
> > >>IRC network where each line you type goes straight into XKEYSCORE.
> > >
> > >Because user management? When you change the irc channels to
> > >something secured you have a lot to do with managing the user
> > >list while it only takes one account to slip through to still
> > >get recorded at NSA. And you lose the occasional lurkers
> > >that may actually contribute in some form later.
> > 
> > You make a good point. As Dave said "Is it any different than
> > participating in a public surveilled mailing
> > list?" I don't see a difference. The NSA can and probably does look
> > at both.
> 
> Not can. Not look. Just store, forever.
> 
> Of course also the mailing list, but a mailing list isn't a place
> where you smalltalk, speak about food, world view, relationships
> and where to go out tonight. Even if you use side channels or /msg,
> it all ends up in the big tank unless you employ plenty of OTR.
> 
> OTOH I understand that Torproject has no perspective of anything
> being private any longer, so Andreas has a point. Torproject is a
> target, not a victim of bulk surveillance.

I was about to reply and write "s/target/honey-pot/" to remind fellow
cp'ers of our not really shared but otherwise collective belief system,
and realised I was reading tor-talk and no point even trying on that
list.

state of the torrent?

[Zenaan Harkness]

With TPB, KAT and others offline, who's still standing?

Who is in onionland?

Any recommendations?

I heard Azureus/Vuze had a tor plugin too. Any other X-pl47f0rm or
GNUH/L33tnux reccommendations?

Tnx u l337 f1r37ru2k3r$,

Re: U need ideas on how to evade being blocked by Google

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 11:25:07PM -0500, Anthony Papillon wrote:
> I'm working on a privacy related project that needs access to Google. 
> Unfortunately, it's likely the kind of project that Google would block from 
> accessing their services. So I need ideas on how to make sure that doesn't 
> happen. 
> 
> Any suggestions on how I can access Google services without risking being 
> blocked by my IP? I've thought about running through Tor but the project 
> already had a tough time with Google already. 

"Tor had a tough time"? Irrelevant! If it works for your needs use it!

If it doesn't, throw bittorrent and the tor network :D :D

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:06:49PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/28/2016 09:30 PM, John wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On August 28, 2016 9:17:05 PM EDT, juan  wrote:
> >> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:42:22 -0600
> >> Mirimir  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 08/28/2016 06:11 PM, juan wrote:
>  On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:13:27 -0600
>  Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Well, without regulation, you have assholes adulterating 
> 
> 
>   Are you joking or has your account been hacked? 
> >>>
> >>> I could say the same for you, sometimes ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>I highly doubt it. But go ahead, find one 'out of character'
> >>post coming from my address...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
>   Your examples are a mix of nonsense with instances of black
>   market 'techniques' - black markets being a government
>   'unintended' consequence of course. 
> >>>
> >>> Those are all true examples. The sugar stuff happened long before
> >>> there was any regulation. More generally, adulteration of food with
> >>> poisonous metal salts was a key driver for food regulation.
> >>
> >>Complete bullshit. You talk as if any salt could be used to
> >>adulterate any food when actually the only example is lead
> >>acetate, which is not even a good example since it was commonly
> >>used as a sugar substitute.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
>   Allegedly the romans used lead acetate instead of sugar,
>  and I doubt it's cheaper now. Fentanyl is a 'recreational drug' on
>   its own right. It may be used to 'spike' heroin if it's more
>   available, but it's not as if 'pure' heroin is 'healthy'
>   anyway. Et cetera.
> >>>
> >>> Pure heroin is just fine :) 
> >>
> >>Just as fine as fentanyl, or a mix. They are both highly
> >>POISONUS and DANGEROUS compounds.
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > Neither heroin nor fentanyl is POISONOUS.  Adding fentanyl to street heroin 
> > has made it much more dangerous for the average user,  because the shit is 
> > dosed in micrograms and it's easy to buy a poorly mixed bag with too much 
> > fentanyl in it... Thus the wave of overdose deaths in America...
> > 
> > Regardless, it's inaccurate to call them a poison. Every substance has an 
> > LD50, including water. Diacetylmorphine (heroin) is widely prescribed in 
> > the UK - fentanyl is a common anesthetic and pain med (in patch form) in 
> > the US.
> > 
> > Now if the shit were just legal , all these problems would go away...
> > 
> > 
> > John
> 
> Legality would help a lot, for sure :)
> 
> But there would still be a need for testing and certification.

At least for any conscientious consumers of the product, which the
market would provide for (assuming enough consumers desiring such
testing and willing to trust in external-authority certification).


> Because
> having overdoses as your only testing method just isn't workable.

Tell -that- to existing black market product consumers.

Do you have some doubt that a not black "public/ open" market would be
as bad and not better than the black markets?


Boggles me mind it do, boggles and befoggles..

Re: Clueless article on CNN about BleachBit

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 11:38:12PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
> On 08/28/2016 09:31 PM, Razer wrote:
> 
> > If all Hillary's people did was a standard cleaning, that WOULD BE
> > amateur, and the data would be potentially recoverable. Bleachbit CAN do
> > multipass Zero writeovers, but that's not the standard setting.
> 
> I have used bleachbit myself from time to time and it seems to perform
> as advertised.  However, as far as I know there is no way to reliably
> overwrite files on a mounted journaling file system.  Mostly overwrite
> most of the time, yes, but in cases where one must be sure that no data
> survives the process, other measures such as deleting the files that
> have got to go, backing up the remaining non-deleted files and
> overwriting the original file system from end to end would be required.

And for SSDs, assuming also that at least the following are all taken
into account:
 - your file system covers the entire disk
 - enterprise (greater) and consumer (lesser but still there)
   "non-visible parity and failed block replacement" storage areas
 - "failed blocks" which have been remapped and are supposedly no longer
   readable and writable
 - any internal and not visible cache blocks e.g. SSD hardware journal?
   or falsh/mram hybrid drives (when available)
 - capacitor powered "write the cache to these reserved blocks" blocks
   being written in the case of a power outage

And there are probably even more nit picks around...


> All those nit picking little details... ugh.  Just encrypt the whole
> drive, and overwrite the key to destroy the data if/as needed.  Or

Basically, if "highly funded" adversaries are part of your threat model,
you probably better completely avoid SSDs for all critical data at this
point in time, and use old filesystems with deterministic placement and
"overwritability" capability - like ext2 and fat32. And even then you
better make sure there's no hidden ("switched on by bios") SSD cache,
nor "hardware remapped tracks" going on under the hood.


> better yet, keep the key on a memory stick that can be tossed in a
> volcano or so.

Indeed. And in general assume your phy storage is not deletable, at best
destroyable.

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:15:00AM -0300, juan wrote:

> > >>> Or  counsumers could use some 'due diligence' 
> > >>
> > >> Do you know how to test your sugar for lead, Juan? Or your dried
> > >> milk for melamine? Or your ethanol for methanol?
> > >   
> > >   I can look that up. And I do happen to have some sort of lab
> > >   laying around, go figure. 
> > 
> > Ha ha. I could too. But most people could not.
> 
> 
>   Most people are fully retarded. Thank God and the State we have
>   Public Education.

:D


> > And all of your bullshit won't change that fact.
> > 
> > >   Why don't we follow your incredibly clever line of
> > > 'thinking' to its more general conclusions?  Are you proposing to
> > > ban forever any sort of knife? Very dangerous weapons you know.
> > >   They are sold everywhere, with no regulations.
> > > 
> > >   But wait, aren't you also pro-guns or something like that? 
> > 
> > That's totally distinguishable. If I kill someone with my shotgun, I'm
> > responsible. 
> 
>   So what. The point is that ANYTHING can be VERY DANGEROUS. Not
>   just guns...or food(!!!) Go ahead, be consistent. We need a
>   global state that regulates everything all the time, down to the
>   smallest detail.
> 
>   Since this discussion is totally absurd, feel free to propose a
>   'voluntary' 'anarchist' organization that acts like a global,
>   totalitarian state (but 'volunarily' eh) so
>   that people don't get poisoned when they drink tap water. 

Hmmm .. minute regulation of water .. sounds lucrative.

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:07:53PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/28/2016 08:35 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 06:42:22PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> >> On 08/28/2016 06:11 PM, juan wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:13:27 -0600
> >>> Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote:

> >>>> sugar with
> >>>> lead acetate, just because it happens to cost less. That used to be
> >>>> fairly common, back in the day. Or assholes spiking their "vodka" with
> >>>> methanol. Or assholes spiking their "heroin" with fentanyl, or
> >>>> whatever opiate agonist they can get cheapest. Or assholes spiking
> >>>> their dried milk with melamine, to boost apparent protein content.
> >>>> Etc etc etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suppose that AP could handle that. But many customers will get
> >>>> fucked up before bids get high enough to take out sellers. Or we
> >>>> could have private enforcement handle regulation. Regulation as a
> >>>> service ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   Or  counsumers could use some 'due diligence' 
> >>
> >> Do you know how to test your sugar for lead, Juan? Or your dried milk
> >> for melamine? Or your ethanol for methanol?
> > 
> > No. But I do know folks who know how to, and whom I trust. I also know I
> > am capable, if with a lot of research reading and learning, to be
> > competent to do so.
> > 
> > I also have faith that fully deregulated, or rather de-coerced, markets
> > will have such voids amply filled.
> 
> That's easy to say. But the solution would arguably be just as coercive
> as government, from a sellers' perspective.

Oh Mirimir! You make an amazing point!!

   "Please! Think of the poor sellers!"

I really had not thought of them - seriously. I figured the market
would, one way or another, "take care" of evil doers.

But I guess you're right, I guess we could possibly see vigilante
justice take hold and all the poor sellers will be lynched.


I know! I know! How about we introduce a World Food And Drug
Administration, to keep the lynching mobs at bay and protect all the
poor sellers? Would that solve this problem?


> > I hear (others say) that in Copenhagen clubs, patrons would rarely
> > consider purchasing MDMA from any "street seller" ever - only from the
> > club itself, and to top it off, these clubs also provide or sell
> > "testing kits" to test either your own or the club's MDMA.
> 
> That's a very specific example. There are just too many things to
> 
> > We live a sheltered life in most of the West..
> 
> We do indeed. Be careful shopping for raw sugar in your tropical
> mercado. Sometimes it's extra sweet, because they boiled it down in
> copper vats, with lead soldered seams ;)

Are you now saying that consumer prudence and a market for testing stuff
might be A Good Thing (TM) ?

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:07:53PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> >> But it should also be tested, and poisoners put in jail or killed.
> > 
> > With a blunt finish.
> 
> OK, maybe lose a hand ;)

One?

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 08:36:35PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> Bro, stuff was unregulated in the US before the late 1800s. And people
> were being poisoned. That's why the FDA was created.

This again is that false dichotomy, or that funky new phrase Steve
Kinney pointed out above somewhere.


So unscrupulous people did unscrupulous things with food.


Potentially jail, potentially very large public compensation.


So instead of appropriate remedies like jail and large monetary payouts,
what happened?


Oh, that's right, a new federal government body was created in North
America called the Food and Drug Administration.

Because, you know, the unscrupulous people just made a few mistakes and
regulation at least makes it look like they might be held to account
(haha) or at least stopped from doing wrong^B^Bmaking such mistakes
(like getting caught) in the future.


Because they had money and power, i.e. money and connections to people
in government, and govt protection was created in the form of the FDA.



> >>>   Or  counsumers could use some 'due diligence' 
> >>
> >> Do you know how to test your sugar for lead, Juan? Or your dried milk
> >> for melamine? Or your ethanol for methanol?
> > 
> > I can look that up. And I do happen to have some sort of lab
> > laying around, go figure. 
> 
> Ha ha. I could too. But most people could not.

I know, I know! Here's how we do this. We will sack the FDA, and employ
cypherpunks Mirimir and Juan to test food additives and protect us all!

Thanks Mirimir, that's a real and workable anarchist solution. I knew
this list would produce something positive one day :D


Anyone else putting their hand up for the new FDA board?



> > Also, adulterating vodka with methanol is sheer nonsense.
> > Methanol is indeed a poison. It's added to ethanol to make
> > 'denaturated' i.e. poisonous stuff. It would probably be better
> > to adulterate it with gasoline...
> 
> Yes, it's used for denaturation. But it's also been commonly used for
> adulteration. And all of your bullshit won't change that fact.

Yes, apparently gasoline is addictive - we learnt this here in Aus a
decade or two back when it became quite public that native aboriginal
children were sniffing themselves to death on petrol, to get high.

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 07:05:33PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/28/2016 06:47 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:34:58 -0600
> > Mirimir  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >> Maybe high prices are part of it. But someone needs to test stuff.
> >> Without required testing, people get poisoned.
> > 
> > LMAO.
> 
> Laugh all you want.

You keep returning to 'external authority' exercising coercive power
over 'the poor dum sheeple' in an anarchist forum ... that's worthy of
being laughed at :)


> But maybe learn some history about food safety.
> 
> I'm not saying that we need "government". But we need some entity that
> tests products,

"We need an external authority because humans are incapable of building
networks of trust, and truly evil doers must be stopped!"


> removes harmful ones, and penalizes assholes.

Courts, jail, financial compensation are not enough in your world?

So we must have some external authority with coercive power to protect
sheeple?


> Crowd-source it and call it private enforcement, if you like. But you're
> a fool if you think that it's not needed.

Problems need to be solved.

Major problem today though, is that the universal solution to problems
is democracy.

The problem being, that people -think- that's the universal solution -
this is the current Western shared common propaganda, which is largely
fully consented to/ believed and mutually deluded within.


THAT is the problem.


> That's been tried, and it
> doesn't fucking work.

Not solving a (food etc) problem does not solve that (food etc) problem.

It may sound very strange, but I agree with this assertion.



> > And without central banks and borders people can't trade. And
> > without armies we'd have perpetual war - or peace? Et cetera.
> 
> We're not talking about that shit, bro.

Oh yes we are.

And, I hear your passion for solving problems - that is a good part of
what draws some of us to places like cypherpunks!

Your passion for solving problems implies you are with conscience, which
if true is also a good thing. Let's encourage these good fundamentals in
each other.


Can you see anything underlying your conversation so far (like
assumptions, externalisation of authority, presumption of sheepleness,
etc) that is perhaps unwise for any of us to leave unchallenged, to
leave as assumptions?


Is it possible you are overly schooled in Western think?

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:47:51PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:34:58 -0600
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> > Maybe high prices are part of it. But someone needs to test stuff.
> > Without required testing, people get poisoned.
> 
>   LMAO.
>   
>   And without central banks and borders people can't trade. And
>   without armies we'd have perpetual war - or peace? Et cetera.

OFFICIAL WARNING: The Ministry of Truth reminds you to hold your tongue,
heathen!

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 06:34:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/28/2016 05:52 PM, jim bell wrote:
> > Heroin is illegal, right?  Fentanyl is illegal too, right?  See the
> > pattern?It takes the existence of regulation to allow much of this
> > problem.Virtually all of the danger of Fentanyl is that people don't
> > know what quality/concentration is in the sample they just bought
> > illegally.  Make itlegal, and the cost is very low, and quality
> > could be easily assured.
> 
> Maybe high prices are part of it. But someone needs to test stuff.
> Without required testing, people get poisoned.

"required" here implies "government mandated"


how about "individuals soon learn about testing, testing becomes
inexpensive, and "purity" becomes part of trust reputation"?



> > .> Or assholes spiking their dried
> > milk with melamine, to boost apparent protein content. Etc etc etc.
> > Not very common.  And you can't argue that China had a lack of
> > regulation.What China DID have was massive corruption, which you can
> > get whenregulation is not uniformly consistent.

Is there ANY example of 'democratic' or 'communistic' regulation, which
does not devolve into corruption?

Regulation implies the right to coerce.

Coercion, and acceptance of coercion, is THE fundamental problem with
all government today.

When we justify coercion, and the right to coerce "for the good of the
poor helpless sheeple" we participate in the creation of instant
sociopath magnets.

Sociopaths are drawn to the "accepted and just right" to coerce others.

So, any government built on the right to coerce will, by its very
nature, attract sociopaths.


The world today seems to provide endless examples of this dynamic in
action, and probably zero examples to the contrary!


The good part of "anarchist" email list is that it is about teaching
what anarchism actually is and shooting down bullshit in the guise of
"some humans know better than other humans, and can therefore 'protect'
those sheeple in the first group".


   I DON'T WANT YOUR DAMN PROTECTION! HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE
   SAID IN A SO-CALLED 'ANARCHIST' GROUP?


Humans not only have a right to make mistakes, we are denying a
fundamental part of our nature when we try to "remove the problems from
stupid people".

How the hell will we ever develop strong, competant, self sufficient and
self responsible humans, if we are not allowed to make our own mistakes,
and are instead forced to accept the 'protection' of 'more capable'
other humans?


> China does not have effective regulation of food. Too much corruption.
> 
> >> I suppose that AP could handle that. But many customers will get fucked
> >> up before bids get high enough to take out sellers. Or we could have
> >> private enforcement handle regulation. Regulation as a service ;)
> > It will happen!  Jim Bell
> 
> So how exactly is private regulation better? How is limited government
> to protect public interest that different from private enforcement? You
> could have competing governments ;)

Re: [Was: private] Now 'Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/'

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:11:46PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:13:27 -0600
> Mirimir  wrote:
> > I suppose that AP could handle that. But many customers will get
> > fucked up before bids get high enough to take out sellers. Or we
> > could have private enforcement handle regulation. Regulation as a
> > service ;)
> 
> 
>   Or  counsumers could use some 'due diligence' 

Or would soon learn to :)

[WAR] When will USA stop bombing other countries' "brown people" illegally (let alone "at all")?

[Zenaan Harkness]

I don't believe USA will stop bombing "brown folks in other countries",
illegally (or 'legally' by UNSC resolution and 'international law' for
that matter), until they finally collapse economically and lose their
international financial power (thus their power to finance the USA's
endless killing sprees, daily droning murdering children, bombing
hospitals and continually acting as total arseholes in so many foreign,
supposedly "sovereign" countries.


Today the USA and its actions around the world 1000s of miles from
their own homeland, is evil incarnate, despotic, reigning terror and
tyranny on any and all they can get away with doing this on.


The United States of America and its organs especially the evil little
fruckers at the CIA, must be stopped. The USA must stop occupying Japan,
Germany and many other countries besides. The USA continues to abuse its
economic and military might, day in, day out, killing 1000s and 1000s of
our fellow humans.


The USA kills its past allies and turns at the drop of a coin, witness
Saddam Hussein, their current pivot away from Saudi Arabia, and the
endless double crossing, undermine and government overthrows
orchestrated by the CIA.


North American people in power, why are you so evil?


North Americans, why are you not stopping this evil from your own
government, CIA and military?


Good luck world,
Zenaan




** Deadlock on Syria at Lavrov Kerry Geneva Talks
(http://theduran.com/deadlock-syria-lavrov-kerry-geneva-talks/)

By Alexander Mercouris on Aug 28, 2016 04:43 pm
geneva lavrov kerry

Lavrov and Kerry ended 12 hours of talks in Geneva about Syria on
Friday, but it is difficult to see what if anything of substance they
achieved.

On the key political question – the Geneva peace process and the future
of President Assad – they are as far apart as ever.  The US continues to
insist that President Assad must go as the inevitable of any peace
settlement.  The Russians say that is strictly for the Syrian people to
decide.  There was clearly no movement by either side on this issue.

A great part of the talks was devoted to the issue of supposedly
separating the so-called “moderate rebels” from Jabhat Al-Nusra and
ISIS, the better to allow the US and Russia to bomb both.  The US
supposedly provided the Russians with a list of who they say these
“moderate rebels” are.

This was however supposedly agreed between the US and the Russians as
long ago as February.  Here we are at the end of August still discussing
the same question.  There is no sign that the “moderate rebels” in Syria
are prepared to separate or dissociate themselves from Jabhat Al-Nusra.
On the contrary in the “Great Battle of Aleppo” – to a chorus of praise
from the Western media – they are fighting ever more closely with each
other.

Better communications have supposedly been established between the
Russian military command at Khmeimim air base in Syria and the US
military command in Jordan.  Whilst this is always welcome, it is not at
all clear what it means in practice.

The Russians and the US politely agreed to differ on the Turkish capture
of Jarablus.  The US actively supports the move, providing air support
to the Turkish troops and their Syrian rebel allies involved in the
operation.  The Russians point out – correctly – that the Turks and the
US are acting illegally.

There was apparently much discussion about the technical aspects
concerning the coordination between the Russian and US militaries in
Syria.  It is not clear why this had to involve the Foreign Ministers of
the two countries, who are both civilian officials, and could not have
been dealt with at a lower level, in discussions between the technical
and military experts.  In any event Lavrov has confirmed that full
agreement on these technical issues was not reached and that more
discussions between the technical and military experts will follow.

Lastly there was some agreement about providing humanitarian supplies to
Aleppo, with the UN’s Staffan de Mistura involved in this part of the
discussions.  It appears that this agreement is based on de Mistura’s
and the Russians’ proposals for 48 hour weekly ceasefires.

In the end when pressed to say what the meeting with Kerry had actually
achieved, Lavrov could only say
(https://www.rt.com/news/357335-kerry-lavrov-talks-syria/) that

“It is an achievement that we have been able to reduce areas of
misunderstanding and to reduce the level of mutual mistrust between the
two countries.”

When a diplomat of Lavrov’s experience can only point to reducing “the
areas of misunderstanding” and “the level of mutual distrust” as the
“achievement” of a summit, then it is clear that on all the substantive
issues there is complete deadlock.

Both countries continue to support their respective sides and are
obviously not prepared to compromise either on that support or on the
attainment of their mutually conflicting objectives. What they are 

[RUS] satire - How to recognize if you're a Putin troll

[Zenaan Harkness]

(Where /me shows off fancy new "set fo+=n" vim option for nicely
wrapping numbered lists :)


** Peter Lavelle: 15 signs you may be a Putin troll
(http://theduran.com/peter-lavelle-15-signs-may-putin-troll/)

By Peter Lavelle on Aug 28, 2016 01:46 pm
Russian President Vladimir Putin listens during a live video link with regions 
suffering from forest fires from the Bocharov Ruchei residence in the Russian 
Black Sea resort of Sochi on Wednesday, May 11, 2016. Russia’s president has 
flipped the switch to open the last of four electricity lines to Crimea aimed 
at allowing the Russia-annexed peninsula to end its reliance on Ukrainian 
electricity. (Mikhail Klimentyev/Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP)

Questioning authority is the most fundamental hallmark of modern western
civilization. As of late this tenant has gone AWOL. Questioning
authority is now tantamount to treason. And if you are deemed
treasonous, then you are probably a Putin troll. Are you afflicted with
the following thoughts?


1. When you have that gnawing feeling corporate mainstream is lying —
   and lying a lot and all the time.


2. When thinking Vladimir Putin is a leader when his western
   counterparts are only imitation politicians reciting really bad sound
   bites by paid-for-PR.


3. When realizing words seem to lose any meaning: aggression, lies,
   evil, subversion, and lack of morality can only be found in others.


4. When worried almost everyone in Washington, both major political
   parties and the corporate mainstream media are all reading from the
   same prepared script.


5. When concerned the Democratic Party embraces McCarthyism and then is
   embraced by the failed though seemingly all-powerful neocons.


6. When noticing Washington elites and western corporate media callously
   and endlessly accept the role as agents for endless war.


7. When disagreeing with the “conventional wisdom” makes you suspect and
   even a threat to the current social order.


8. When doubting for a second Putin’s Russia threatens the west’s core
   geopolitical interests.


9. When questioning why the west demonizes and then destroys countries
   and societies that in no way threaten the west.


10. When pondering why the west is so obsessed with democracy while
afraid of the democratic wishes of people around the world
(including in the west.)


11. When you realize “no lives matter.” We are all political
canon-fodder – it is the picking order that is in play.


12. When being terrified of the establishment’s thinking the Third World
War is actually thinkable.


13. When worried being told over and over again Hillary Clinton is the
“safe-hands” candidate.


14. When being angered that Barack Obama is called a man of peace – when
his time on office has never seen America at peace for even a single
day.


15. When doubting just about everything you have been told about
“American Exceptionalism.” Hasn’t this idea been exceptionally bad
for the U.S. and the rest of the world? If you say this openly in
public you will face some form of social marginalization or worse.

I am guessing you might consider yourself to be guilty of some or all of
the above. Being a Putin Troll is not a terminal condition though – at
least not yet. There is no reason to seek treatment – you are actually
fine. The public sphere, as we know it, is infected and sick. Keep
thinking good and honest thoughts as long as you can. If we survive all
this propaganda and war mongering, being once called a Putin Troll might
one day be deemed as an honorable tribute.

Peter Lavelle is host of RT’s political debate program CrossTalk. His
views may or may not reflect those of his employer.

The post Peter Lavelle: 15 signs you may be a Putin troll
(http://theduran.com/peter-lavelle-15-signs-may-putin-troll/) appeared
first on The Duran (http://theduran.com) .

Re: Revolt Against Tor Over Rape Claims, Process, Board, Etc

[Zenaan Harkness]

> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Vasily Kolobkov <
> polezaivs...@openmailbox.org> wrote:
> > A tor fork ran in part by @jmprcx (aka @jmpedx), former infantry
> > man with a background in offensive software backdooring [1] and who
> > knows whom else?! Thanks, but no, thanks.
> >
> > [1] http://livestream.com/internetsociety3/hopeconf/videos/130717710

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:34:53AM +0200, Jelena Jovanovic wrote:
> Thats malicious intepretation. Knowing about backdoors is excellent for
> weeding them out from libraries, dont you think?
> What makes you think same knowledge cannot be used to start the abandoned
> branch of Tor successfully.

Also, I find examples of intent to being honest, open, and up front
about who we are, much more useful, for both "a sense of real community
with real people" as well as facilitating others to make informed
choices "hey, if you don't like me, no probs, I ain't hiding who I am
and I support your choice".

The alternative causes those who wish to sincerely and honourably
contribute to a community, but who might be 'rejected' by some, to hide
who they are.

Those who hide may have a genuine reason to hide - like "ex" CIA agents
who stopped working for the CIA literally the day prior to applying to
work for Tor Inc (to pick one utterly random and unrelated example).

The issue with Tor Inc and their CIA employs (and throwing out their
entire board of directors and including one token "publicly perceived as
plausibly honest" "good guy" Bruce Schneier), is that they are wielding
centralised power, and a lot of it (dir auths, most coding and code
review, veto power (by never developing certain) over particularly
significant anti-GPA enhancements to Tor.

When we have Dingledine and co "wanting to make Tor Inc a comfortable
place to work for ex-CIA" yet supports the lynching of the one outlier
who opposed this (Jacob Applebaum), we have a serious problem, and those
at Tor Inc are "lacking self awareness" of the problem, or ultimately
compromised (by their dependence on wages or other compromises).

Distributing the development of privacy tecnologies is an excellent
thing.

Being aware of who you are placing trust in, is another excellent thing.

Not trusting those undeserving of your trust is a wise thing.

Good luck,

[b...@sonic.net: Re: [Cryptography] programming languages and the people who (don't) love them, was "NSA-linked Cisco exploit poses bigger threat than previously thought"]

[Zenaan Harkness]

C still rules some domains, including software seeking "maximum
certainty" it seems...

Aka "in defense of C". Enjoy,



- Forwarded message from Ray Dillinger  -
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:54:26 -0700
From: Ray Dillinger 
To: cryptogra...@metzdowd.com
List-Id: The Cryptography and Cryptography Policy Mailing List 

Subject: Re: [Cryptography] programming languages and the people who (don't) 
love them, was "NSA-linked Cisco exploit poses bigger threat than previously
thought"

On 08/26/2016 01:46 PM, John Levine wrote:
>>> ObCrypto: very little of the crypto code I use has to run in the kinds
>>> of environments where C's advantages are important, so it's a reasonable
>>> question why application libraries like openssl are still in C.
>>
>> It is still important that crypto code be callable as efficient 
>> libraries. One wouldn't want to, say, instantiate an entire Python 
>> environment every time the caller starts a new hash or encryption. And 
>> it seems a good idea to program pretty close to the metal to head off 
>> timing attacks, not let keys drift off into garbage collection land, etc.
> 
> Of course, but there are languages like Rust that purport to provide
> code efficiency comparable to C's with better type safety, and can use
> calling sequences compatible with C.
> 

I use C when writing crypto code because there exist compilers for
C that allow me to control whether or not "redundant" copies of
sensitive data get made, whether things get overwritten before
they get released, exactly how representations work, allow me to
assure that there are no bits unaccounted for (and potentially
not overwritten) when a structure is built in memory, etc, and
all that dangerous stuff.

All that dangerous stuff which causes exploitable security flaws
in languages where you CAN'T do them.  C is a language that in
practical terms and in most implementations allows you to control
side effects and therefore side channels.  It makes it terrifyingly
easy to screw up in some ways, but I simply have no way to avoid
screwing up in other ways unless I use it.

I can write C code, compile it using TCC with no optimizing, and
go check the machine code to make sure that buffers get erased when
they're supposed to get erased, that unsecured copies don't made
just because that would make some operation faster, that the compiler
didn't substitute an algorithm subject to a timing attack for the
one I intended to get, that the fields in a structure don't get
realigned in ways that might leave sensitive bits unerased between
fields, make sure that variable writes that clear sensitive
bits happen immediately when they're supposed to happen, including
those parts the compiler can prove won't affect later computation
affecting the things it considers the important outputs, etc. etc.
etc.

C even gives me tools like 'volatile' that mean I *DON'T* usually
have to go all the way down to machine code to get it done.

To be fair the C standard no longer guarantees all these things, but
at least in many C compilers they are still available.  In almost no
other language save assembly is it possible to write code where you
know what it *WON'T* do, or that it WILL do what you tell it regardless
of whether it affects a side-channel output the compiler won't believe
anyone cares about.

Bear

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http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography

- End forwarded message -

[RUS] Russia-Bating Distractions - drunkards and computer hackers, all the way down!

[Zenaan Harkness]

For those who need a weekend laugh:

** Time For Russia-Bating Distraction - NY Times Says Russians Hacked Them 
(http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=75b66d4f45=5110f4b440)

by Tyler Durden on Fri, Aug 26, 2016
It's them Ruskies again! With pressure on Obama over his visit to Louisiana, 
and Hillary facing an avalanche of headlines over her "email crimes," it is 
time for a distraction... CNN reports, hackers thought to be working for 
Russian intelligence have carried out a series of cyber breaches targeting 
reporters at the New York Times and other US news organizations, according to 
US officials briefed on the matter.The intrusions, detected in recent months, 
are CNN reports, under investigation by the FBI and other US security agencies.
Read more » 
(http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=ea900d0072=5110f4b440)
http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=b387612f5e=5110f4b440
 
http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=2ebdd9840f=5110f4b440.
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Here we go again:

** Right On Cue: Elites Uses Putin Dog-Whistle Just Like in Brexit Campaign 
(http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=ac1d5c022b=5110f4b440)

by Raheem Kassam on Fri, Aug 26, 2016
The Clinton campaign alongside the establishment media have begun blowing the 
Vladimir Putin dog-whistle, just as their European counterparts did during the 
United Kingdom’s referendum on its membership of the European Union (EU).Almost 
as if on cue, news outlets have begun parroting the same old lines used by 
Britain’s political establishment before June of this year, when they accused 
anti-establishment ‘Leave’ campaigners of doing the bidding for, if not being 
directly linked to, the Russian president and the Kremlin.
Read more » 
(http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=1636c285e9=5110f4b440)
http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=c0f88032ad=5110f4b440
 
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And something a little more serious:


** High Alert: Russia Tests Army’s Readiness in Massive Snap Exercise In West & 
South 
(http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=693060391b=5110f4b440)

by The Saker on Fri, Aug 26, 2016
Russian Army units as well as the Air Force, Airborne Troops and the Navy’s 
Northern Fleet have been put on high alert as part of a large-scale snap 
exercise which the Defense Ministry says will check troops’ readiness to tackle 
emerging crises.“According to the decision of the Commander-in-Chief of the 
Armed Forces [President Vladimir Putin], a regular snap exercise begins today,” 
Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said at a briefing with top military commanders 
on Thursday.“Troops in the Southern Military District, some units of the 
Western and Central Military Districts, as well as the Northern Fleet, the Air 
Force and the Airborne Troops, are to be put on full alert starting from 7.00am 
[local time],” the minister added.
Read more » 
(http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=1ab160d09b=5110f4b440)
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Old news with a new picture, for those following the money story :

** Why Russia Must Break From US Economic Hegemony (Video) 
(http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=6c46000f86=5110f4b440)

by Mikhail Khazin on Fri, Aug 26, 2016
The author is a leading Russian economist, publicist, and TV and radio host. 
(Wikipedia - Russian only)Sometimes referred to as the "Russian Paul Krugman", 
he writes prolifically, and has a very large audience in Russia.  His articles 
typically receive hundreds of thousands of views.  He is known for explaining 
complex economic ideas in clear terms non-specialists can understand.  He is a 
former senior economist in the presidential administration and a frequent 
speaker at international conferences.
Read more » 
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Re: When is a conspiracy, fact? (And who runs North America?)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 07:37:28PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 8:03 PM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote:
> 
> > Looks Like George Soros Owns Hillary Clinton As Well As Angela Merkel
> >
> > https://www.vdare.com/posts/looks-like-george-soros-owns-hilary-clinton-as-well-as-angela-merkel
> > (Alt:
> >
> > http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/all-lies-matter/ri16046?utm_source=Russia+Insider+Daily+Headlines_campaign=f44d569b4a-Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014_medium=email_term=0_c626db089c-f44d569b4a-227208025=t%28Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014%29_cid=f44d569b4a_eid=5110f4b440
> > )
> >
> > I like this quote:
> > "Some found it difficult to credit that crude financial power could
> > exert such influence on the destiny of nations"
> >
> > When it's assumption and speculation, it's conspiracy theory.
> >
> > When it's factual, it is actual conspiracy.
> >
> >
> > The demonisation of "conspiracy theorists" has for a couple of decades
> > successfully tempered critical debate and thinking in "the West".
> >
> > Hopefully this problem continues to unwind and be exposed.
> >
> 
> Soros would make a fantastic ruler. Way better than Trump or Putin.

I agree there's no point being backwards about being forwards..

Honesty is an admirable trait and all that...

Re: IAAF, USA and Canada demand Russian athletes represent "no country" at Olympic games

[Zenaan Harkness]

> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:11 AM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote:
> > If anyone wanted an example of propaganda and political bullying:
> >
> > "The IAAF and now the sports bodies of the US and Canada are not only
> > demanding that Russian athletes prove their innocence before they can
> > take part in the Games.  They also demand that even if athletes prove
> > their innocence, they should only be allowed to take part in the Games
> > as “neutrals” and not as Russians.  Thus even if proved innocent Russian
> > athletes would have to deny their nation and their country – foregoing
> > the right to wear its colours or hear its anthem if they win."
> >
> > http://theduran.com/stalinist-witch-hunt-russian-athletes/
> >
> >
> > (I'm not sure anyone takes seriously the assertion that USA basically
> > does not use propaganda, only speaks truth and righteousness - I find it
> > quite amazing that such an assertion was even put in this mailing list
> > but I guess it's possible -some- people do believe that...)

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 06:07:05PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> Participate as a country, dope as a country, get banned as a country. Maybe
> Russia should clean its house if it wants representation at the games. Or
> if the institution itself is illegitimate, why do Russians want to
> represent their country so badly at the games?



Oh well, the IOC refused to ban "the entire Russian Olympic team,
regardless", but ultimately "justice" is served - with the banning of,
wait for it,

  the entire Russian --Paralympic-- team.


  YEAH!


Now -that-'s "justice", right Sean? Punish those paraplegic bastards!
Every last one of them, whether guilty or not!!!

YEAH! U! S! A!  Delivering JUSTICE to THE WORLD!


God -damn- we need to be greatful to America!

And what a wonderful world we live in... so much empathy, harmony and
justice.



 God Praise America!!!


(Yes, AND you, CIA, you snivelling grovelling sluts! Thank you SO much
for this effective, decisive and ultimately just and  righteous, psyops
campaign.  Fucken A!)





** Vladimir Putin slams Paralympic ban; Congratulates Russian athletes
(http://theduran.com/putin-slams-paralympic-ban-congratulates-russian-athletes/)

By Alexander Mercouris on Aug 26, 2016 02:00 pm
russia paralympics

Russian President Putin has just given a scathing assessment
(http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/52765) of the collective ban
on Russia’s Paralympic Team.

In doing so he has made it quite clear that he – like most Russians –
sees the ban as purely political and completely rejects the reasoning
behind it…

“The decision to disqualify our Paralympic athletes goes beyond law,
morality and humanity. It is quite simply cynical to take out one’s
revenge and frustration on people for whom sport has become their life
purpose and whose example gives hope and self-confidence to millions of
people with disabilities. I even feel pity for those who take decisions
of this kind because they do not understand just how degrading this is
for them.”

(Bold italics added)

The words “revenge and frustration” quite clearly show that Putin sees
the campaign to ban the Russian Paralympic team as an act of spite and
revenge for the failure to achieve a collective ban of the Russian
Olympic team.

The Russians have made it clear that they do not agree with the legal
reasoning of the CAS decision upholding the ban,
(http://theduran.com/court-arbitration-sport-upholds-ban-russian-paralympic-team/)
and that they will continue to contest it in the civil courts and in the
European Court of Human Rights.

As I have said previously, there is no doubt the Russians will pursue
legal action to its conclusion in this affair
(http://theduran.com/trying-ban-team-russia-olympics-big-mistake/) .
With the International Paralympic Committee looking at a disastrous
failure of the Paralympic Games in Rio and apparently short of money, it
may not be in good shape to contest whatever court cases the Russians
bring, or to pay any court awards the Russians might win.

In addition to his comments about the Paralympic ban, Putin also made
some very interesting comments about the Russian athletes who competed
in the Rio Olympic Games

“We know what a difficult time our athletes had in Rio. The team was cut
by nearly a third just before competition was about to start and lost
the chance to show its ability in the sports in which Russia has
traditionally been one of the recognised favourites. But you measured up
to all of these challenges, showed great unity and proved that victory
can be won not just by numbers, though numbers were important too, but
perhaps more importantly, victory is also won through skill. You
displayed a true fighting spirit, did not melt

Re: 1, 400 US Mayors Just Slammed the White House for Risking Nuclear War With Russia

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 04:59:16AM -0400, John wrote:
> On July 8, 2016 8:11:53 PM EDT, Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote:
> >Alex Jones says the media should not ignore Putin's warnings of
> 
> Alex Jones is completely fucking unhinged.. he is occasionally right
> in the same sense that some one shooting at a barn occasionally gets
> off a good shot.





Well well well, Hillary Clinton decided to go to war with Alex Jones :D
:D :D


Now THAT speaks volumes about her (their) campaign self confidence etc.


Frankly, this is bloody hilarious:





** Hillary Clinton declares war on Infowars. Alex Jones fires back with
devastating Hillary video
(http://theduran.com/hillary-clinton-declares-war-infowars-alex-jones-fires-back-devastating-hillary-video/)

By Alex Christoforou on Aug 26, 2016 04:07 pm
alex jones

Hillary Clinton fired the first shots, saying that Alex Jones claimed
‘no children’ died at Sandy Hook…even going off teleprompter script to
lament that Alex Jones has a “black heart.”

IFRAME:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/embed/2cfEW9av2XU?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent

Alex Jones fired back at Hillary, and absolutely crushes HRC in an epic
video retaliation…connecting Hillary to Libya war crimes, Saudi Arabia
9-11 attacks, KKK collaboration, and even pulling up a video archive
where Hillary advocates building a wall to keep Mexican immigrants out
of the United States.

Alex Jones ends his reply saying,

“I know who you are.

I know the Klan financed you’re first campaigns, from the people that
were there. I know who you are, and as an American and as a patriot, I
am not scared of you bully.”

IFRAME:
[2]http://www.youtube.com/embed/B1hBQ_6FYso?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent

The Clinton campaign is in a tailspin. Going after Infowars in a
campaign speech is getting pretty desperate.

Playing the race card is also a clear sign that Clinton is loosing the
narrative, falling back on the standard liberal “you’re a racist”
argument, in an effort to deflect attention away from a constant barrage
of email scandals and corruption pouring over HRC like never ending
waves.

The post Hillary Clinton declares war on Infowars. Alex Jones fires back
with devastating Hillary video
(http://theduran.com/hillary-clinton-declares-war-infowars-alex-jones-fires-back-devastating-hillary-video/)
appeared first on The Duran (http://theduran.com) .

References

1.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/2cfEW9av2XU
2.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/B1hBQ_6FYso






(And an aside, Julian Assange stating the obvious:

** Julian Assange tells Megyn Kelly, ‘Hillary Clinton is in bed with
neocons, Trump is no Russian agent’
(http://theduran.com/julian-assange-debunks-russia-hack-narrative-tell-megyn-kelly/)

By Alex Christoforou on Aug 26, 2016 05:09 pm
assange kelly

This is part two of Fox News’ Megyn Kelly interview with Julian Assange.
You can find part one here.
(http://theduran.com/julian-assange-tells-megyn-kelly-new-hillary-clinton-emails-released-before-november-vote-video/)

IFRAME:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/embed/_rLeuydV1xM?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent

Assange discusses how connected Seth Rich’s death is to the Wikileaks
DNC email leak…but most notably, Assange warns Megyn Kelly about
Clinton’s constant Russia warmongering…

“I would like to believe that -no organization- no media organization in
the United States, would not have published the DNC emails. But I don’t
think thats true actually.

I think MSNBC wouldn’t have published them. I think the New York Times
wouldn’t have published most of them. And that’s sad. It says incredible
politicisation in this election of the media.

And it is a bit concerning, the allegations, -that- by the Clinton
campaign, that everyone is a Russian agent, are really disturbing. Why
is that?

Well because, bizarrely, Hillary Clinton the Democrat, has -become- has
positioned herself now to be the security candidate. She’s palled up
with the neocons responsible for the Iraq war. And she’s grabbed on to
this kind of neo-McCarthyist hysteria about Russia, and is using that to
demonize the Trump campaign.

The Trump campaign has all sorts of things wrong with it, but as far as
we can see, being Russian agents is not one of them.”

The post Julian Assange tells Megyn Kelly, ‘Hillary Clinton is in bed
with neocons, Trump is no Russian agent’
(http://theduran.com/julian-assange-debunks-russia-hack-narrative-tell-megyn-kelly/)
appeared first on The Duran (http://theduran.com) .

References

1.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/_rLeuydV1xM?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent







(And for those who really want some self mutilation reading on the HRC
front:

** Hillary Clinton’s Ceausescu moment. An American dictator’s
controversial speech
(http://theduran.com/hilla

Re: Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 07:08:25PM -0300, juan wrote:
>   Did our leading apologist of fascist corporations, the
>   anti-libertarian sean lynch made any comment on this? 
> 
> 
>   Op-ed: Google and the NSA: Who’s holding the ‘shit-bag’ now? By
>   "assange the rapist".
> 
>   
>   https://wikileaks.org/Op-ed-Google-and-the-NSA-Who-s.html
>   
> 
>   Any other takers? Are you guys not getting your bonuses?


Juan, Juan, Juan, asking Western schooled humans to be self
reflective, admit mistakes and acknowledge when conspiracy theory
becomes conspiracy fact?

Rather than focus on the slightest perceived personal slights?

Re: [liberationtech] Barrage of subscription requests

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 04:38:13PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> --
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 14:32:19 -0700
> From: Yosem Companys 
> Message-ID: 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Just to let you know that we are currently getting a barrage of presumably
> fake subscription requests by U.S. House members to join the Liberationtech
> list and drone-list from their real personal email addresses and phone
> numbers.
> 
> The list will remain under emergency moderation until the barrage ceases.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Yosem
> One of the moderators
> --

You've heard of DDOS, well this is DDOC - Distributed Declaration Of
Comedy.

This one's bloody hilarious. Thanks for sharing :)

And, good luck handling the storm.

Re: a very special message to the unnameable coorperation

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 07:32:17PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> Code speaks louder than pretty ASCII art. And good luck securing an even
> larger bundle that includes the JVM (for I2P).

Could be a great opportunity to revive gcj - I heard just yesterday that
they're planning to remove gcj (from lack of use) in the next major gcc
version.

Rewrite I2P to have a deterministic memory model, pick a suitable
library for that, and say "look ma, we're using gcj as it was intended,
please don't nuke it" to the gcc curators.

Re: a very special message to the unnameable coorperation

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 03:11:01PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> >> https://ghostbin.com/paste/kmnzz
> 
> On 8/26/16, xxy...@tuta.io  wrote:
> > Read here: https://ghostbin.com/paste/4am8w
> 
> This #torfork #torstrike are interesting / humorous in an
> oldschool textphiles underground scene sort of way.
> Remains to be seen if anything will come of them...

The first rule of TPTB/ the powers that be, is to co-opt any counter
revolution.

That means they must anticipate the counter revolution.

In the case of their pet "Tor" GPA honeypot, anticipation was not hard
(they just lynched one of their own, since he was calling out ex-CIA
wannabe Tor Inc employees (and a few other horrendous corporation
violations).

The FOG - the False Oppositional Group - can be hard to see or identify
until far too many resources and effort have been made.

So. Our challenge, should we choose to take it on, is to determine the
fake from the real, witness the FOG from the strong of heart.

Not always easy to do.


An alternative is to be cautious, prudent and have contingency plans
from the get go - branding has power, but who are you consenting to have
that power?


In this day and age it is very fashionable to be "anonymous", to "buck
the system" by hiding behind a fake identity.

NOTE: I am not saying fake identities are a bad thing per se. I am
saying that those with good heart tend to leave the seats of power and
authority to those with bold eclat, those who sociopathically seize
authority and power, creating structures supporting themselves and their
paymasters, and ultimately fucking over the rest of us.


A significant problem is that we are so schooled, but perhaps the
greatest problem is that it seems so hard for those in cushy western
"jobs" to even hypothetically put on self critical hats - to say to the
Juan's of the world "ok, let's say you're right and Google is a fascist
evil corporation taking money from the man to fuck us all over" ... or
whatever...


Ultimately, your challenge, my challenge, the challenge we all face, is
who to trust, and or how to put some trust in others whilst mitigating
their potential future abuse of our trust.


Are their ways we might mitigate the implied trust we put in spreading
the word of a brand for example "ROTOR BROWSER" giving you ALL CAPS
CREDIBILITY AND TRUST US BECAUSE WE TYPE IN ALL CAPS WE ARE SE L33T!" ?

Notwithstanding that (ISTM) the message these all caps buckaneers are
putting out is essentially a good one, what I would like to see is some
personal "canary" statements by those carpe seizing the do-ocracy diem
day.


At some level, in very real ways, libre open source software is
ultimately a great foundation, for the future at the very least - those
who want can tinker and blaze a new trail, as we are seeing now with
ROTOR CAPS. So this is a good thing - so much better than the
alternatives.


Is there a better or fuller public discussion we can have at this
moment?


Good luck,

The CIA's killing mentality

[Zenaan Harkness]

The CIA is entirely enamoured of killing.

Michael Morell, former CIA Directory, made shocking statements a month
or so ago, and was given a well orchestrated forum to try to back track.


But, well, nope, that didn't happen, he did not backtrack at all.


The CIA's mask, and therefore the mask of the USA government is again
plainly off for the world to see clearly.



It is hard to believe that these 'humans' be so blatant and public in
their murderous intentions, although at least the honesty is useful...

So, Michael Morell, CIA, round 2:

Mr. "I Ran the CIA" Doubles Down on Call to Kill Russians and Iranians
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/08/20/a-lawless-plan-to-target-russians-in-syria/
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/lawless-plan-target-syrias-allies/ri16077



Wow.




On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 01:31:49PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> More on the DNC's killing mentality:
> 
> 
> 
> ** CNN host Don Lemon destroyed by Secret Service agent over Donald
> Trump’s 2nd amendment speech [Video]
> (http://theduran.com/cnn-host-don-lemon-destroyed-by-secret-service-agent-over-donald-trump-2nd-second-amendment-speech-video/)
> 
> By Alex Christoforou on Aug 11, 2016 05:45 pm
> cnn-host-don-lemon-destroyed-by
> 
> Secret Service agent Dan Bongino called the media’s excessive commenting
> on Donald Trump’s recent second amendment speech “comical”. Liberal
> progressive host Don Lemon was quick to side with Hillary and sound the
> alarm bells, that Donald Trump is calling on NRA card holders to take
> out Clinton.
> 
> Dan Bongino found this narrative ridiculous, interpreting Trumps’
> comments as nothing more than a call to all NRA supporters to get out
> the vote against Hillary.
> 
> Lost in the latest media Trump bashing, is the fact that just the other
> day CNN host and Hillary supporter Bob Beckel openly called for the
> assassination of Julian Assange
> (http://theduran.com/kill-julian-assange-says-cnn-host-and-democratic-strategist-because-a-dead-man-cant-leak-stuff/)
> , while former CIA deputy director and necon Hillary supporter Michael
> Morell, told Charlie Rose that the US should assassinate Syrian, Iranian
> and Russian officials
> (http://theduran.com/bizarre-tv-interview-former-cia-chief-hillary-clinton-backer-calls-covert-programme-murder-russians/)
> .
> 
> Of course these overt and detailed calls to murder people was barely
> reported in the main stream news. Maybe that has something to do with
> the fact that the death calls came from Hillary surrogates.
> 
> IFRAME:
> [1]http://www.youtube.com/embed/IvgH-Zs_GDc?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent
> 
> BPR has more
> (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/09/now-cut-off-mic-bongino-refuses-bullied-don-lemon-trump-2nd-amendment-heated-376846)
> on the hearted exchange between Lemon and Bongino…
> 
> Things got real personal Tuesday night between CNN’s Don Lemon and
> former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino while discussing Donald Trump’s
> much maligned comment on Second Amendment supporters possibly stopping
> rival Hillary Clinton.
> 
> Perhaps Lemon took exception to Bongino summarizing the hyperventilating
> on the left as being “in the comical realm.”
> 
> Either way, Bongino correctly labeled the charge that Trump was somehow
> calling for the assassination of Clinton as “absurd” while explaining
> his point of view.
> 
> Throwing any pretense of neutrality out the window, Lemon clearly did
> not agree with that point of view.
> 
> “What you’re saying right now makes no sense!” the CNN host charged.
> “I’m sitting at home, I’m watching Donald Trump. I have two ears and I
> have two eyes and I can see the reactions… We’re not stupid!”
> 
> “You should be ashamed of yourself!” Lemon added.
> 
> “I’m ashamed that you’re talking to me as if I’m a child!” his guest
> fired back, as the two began going at one another.
> 
> “You don’t know crap about this, Don! You’re a TV guy!” Bongino said. “I
> was a Secret Service Agent! Now cut off my mic! Do what you wanna do!”
> 
> Lemon countered by telling Bongino he was “lying to the American
> people,” prompting Bongino to again correctly label the left’s reaction
> as “nonsense.”
> 
> Via:
> http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/09/now-cut-off-mic-bongino-refuses-bullied-don-lemon-trump-2nd-amendment-heated-376846
> 
> The post CNN host Don Lemon destroyed by Secret Service agent over
> Donald Trump’s 2nd amendment speech [Video]
> (http://theduran.com/cnn-host-don-lemon-destroyed-by-secret-service-agent-over-donald-trump-2nd-second-amendment-speech-video/)
> appeared first on The Duran (http://theduran.com) .
> 
> References
> 
> 1.
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/IvgH-Zs_GDc?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent

When is a conspiracy, fact? (And who runs North America?)

[Zenaan Harkness]

Looks Like George Soros Owns Hillary Clinton As Well As Angela Merkel
https://www.vdare.com/posts/looks-like-george-soros-owns-hilary-clinton-as-well-as-angela-merkel
(Alt:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/all-lies-matter/ri16046?utm_source=Russia+Insider+Daily+Headlines_campaign=f44d569b4a-Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014_medium=email_term=0_c626db089c-f44d569b4a-227208025=t%28Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014%29_cid=f44d569b4a_eid=5110f4b440
)

I like this quote:
"Some found it difficult to credit that crude financial power could
exert such influence on the destiny of nations"

When it's assumption and speculation, it's conspiracy theory.

When it's factual, it is actual conspiracy.


The demonisation of "conspiracy theorists" has for a couple of decades
successfully tempered critical debate and thinking in "the West".

Hopefully this problem continues to unwind and be exposed.

Re: By Friday: Support the Libre Tea Computer Card

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:28:08PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:26 -0400
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> > https://www.crowdsupply.com/design-shift/orwl

>   Actually it's not just hand waving - they even praise the intel
>   cunts. 
> 
>   "There are reasons everyone is using x86, even in the security
>   community and in governmental agencies around the world:
>   compatibility, performance, and security. " 

Woah! Hang on, doesn't it take serious Intel grunt to encrypt a password?

That's like - no other CPU could do that..

Re: Fw: By Friday: Support the Libre Tea Computer Card

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 03:25:10PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/25/2016 02:08 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:
> > ~9k left to go and 27 hours! I just plopped down another $1200 for the
> > fully assembled laptop, so it's now $7675. Anyone else wanna chip in?
> 
> I would, if I could pay anonymously, and have it dead dropped in some
> remote area for me to recover in a year or two ;)

There are many pieces of the puzzle, this seems to be one of them; at
least their hearts are in the right place and the concept seems useful
to me. A card and the housing is all I could afford, but that's plenty
to inspire me for the next year :)

We'll get there...

Re: Revolt Against Tor Over Rape Claims, Process, Board, Etc

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 05:42:42PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 16:21:13 -0400
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> > https://twitter.com/jmprcx/status/766806181318844417
> > jmprcx ‏@jmprcx
> > #Cypherpunks mailing list is so damaging that the Tor-talk list had to
> > be censored. #tor
> 
>   author of the post is a "former infantryman" 
>   Do I need to add anything else? 

I don't think 'need' covers it - always happy to hear more :D

That twit post (sorry, twitter post) sounds remarkably apropos our
recent "ben/ jaun/ CIA kill JY" troll.

Sounds like the CIA having a less than stellar time lately, Tor Inc
unable to resist censoring "their community", piss poor efforts at cp
social engineering, grunts exposing their think left right and center,
50 agents petitioning Obama for a "no fly zone and bomb the fuck out of
the sovereign Syrian government" - man that must hurt to expose
themselves so hard, my guess is they're in total meltdown.

And so what have they got left? Blame cypherpunks - those fucken
rebellious willful righteous pricks just won't leave us poor regime
changing brown baby and hospital murdering CIA "upstanding citizens"
alone. The world must feel so cruel...

(Juan, what could CIA really stand for? Cranks In America?)

Re: Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 06:29:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/24/2016 02:43 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:20:35PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> >> On 08/23/2016 10:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:25:00PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> >>>> On 08/23/2016 08:37 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> >>>>>> So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups 
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>> also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are 
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like 
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>> "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's 
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you.
> >>
> >> So just what was so offensive? "Rapey Jakey"? I thought that was pretty
> >> funny :)
> > 
> > Although it's good to be able to reach a point of being able to laugh
> > about 'tough' topics, this phrase, in this context implies "I agree with
> > the lynch mob rhetoric".
> 
> I agree that Sean was using the phrase that way. But I can laugh at the
> phrase without taking any position on the matter. It's just so fucking
> self-satirical. The lynch mob does objectify him as "Rapey Jakey", no?
> 
> > It also condones the linguistic undermine and implicit compromise of
> > those who have suffered actual rape, and encourages the social discourse
> > in a direction which I personally find offensive and I say fosters an
> > environment where actual rape is more likely to be brushed aside with
> > "humour", and therefore makes the social environment more dangerous
> > generally.
> > 
> > That's a really bad thing.
> 
> No, the behavior of the lynch mob does that. But anyway, I prefer humor
> to earnest self-righteousness.


FFS, --either-- which way, a great injustice has been and is being done.


Either which way, --we-- are the ultimate targets.


All speech speaks politically.


No self righteousness, just tears of defeat as evil thrives and
folks laugh it off.


> > If JA committed rape, which he and others deny, then there -should- (say
> > I) be a proper process for his victims to address their grievance.
> > Nothing remotely like "addressing genuine grievances" has happened.
> > And in this case, using the phrase "Rapey Jakey" at the moment in this
> > context, linguistically encourages us to diminish such rape.
> 
> That's too simplistic. What does "rape" mean? I seriously doubt that
> Jake held a knife to anyone's throat. He reportedly fucked many people,
> often while drunk, stoned, etc. In such dubious circumstances, it may be
> impossible to distinguish consensual sex and rape. If both parties are
> too out of it to consent, who raped who?


Assumptions implied.  Meaningful discourse avoided.


> > If JA did not rape anyone, then "Rapey Jakey" slanders him personally -
> > I don't understand why you find that humorous, but I guess if you guys
> > want to laugh about it, that's your right.
> 
> :)

And so our 'community' continues to be created..


> > In either case, this use of the word "rapey" is to me offensive and
> > really not in our nor anyone's interest.
> 
> I'm worried more about rape accusations in the call-out culture.

Meaningful and possibly useful discourse would be a good start.


> > Yes it has hit a nerve.
> > 
> > 
> > And yes, we need to lift our social and societal 'game' - we need to do
> > better, by those rightfully accused as well as by those wrongfully
> > accused.
> > 
> > 
> > I am disappointed when we, as a 'community', fail in this way.
> > Zenaan

Good luck humans.

Fw: By Friday: Support the Libre Tea Computer Card

[Zenaan Harkness]

Nearly out of time on this one - 85% of $150K funded, so last chance to
promote it.


On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 09:18:26PM -0400, Donald Robertson, III, FSF wrote:
> 
> Dear Mr Zenaan Harkness,
> 
> We wrote previously about [why you should support the Earth-friendly
> EOMA68 Computing Devices project][1]. It's built around devices with
> interchangeable parts, based on unencumbered hardware standards, and
> with a dedication to protecting and promoting user freedom. The
> project's decision to raise funds via [Crowd Supply][2] means that you
> can support their work with anonymous payments, and without the use of
> [proprietary JavaScript][3].
> 
> [1]: 
> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/support-the-libre-tea-computer-card-a-candidate-for-respects-your-freedom-certification
> [2]: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
> [3]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.en.html
> 
> As we wrote previously:
> 
> > The Libre Tea Computer Card is built with an Allwinner A20 dual core
> > processor configured to use the main CPU for graphics; it has 2 GB
> > of RAM and 8 GB of NAND Flash; and it will come pre-installed with
> > [Parabola GNU/Linux-libre][5], an [FSF-endorsed fully-free operating
> > system][6].
> 
> It's a device with a lot of potential, and purchasing one will help
> support the development of even more hardware that respects users'
> freedom. While we will have to make a final evaluation before granting
> [Respects Your Freedom certification][4], we have high hopes given the
> history of the developers involved and the details currently
> available.
> 
> When we last wrote about the project, there was an outpouring of
> support, helping it get significantly closer to its funding goal (at
> the time of this writing, 85% there). But with just days left, we need
> to make one final push. Can you be the one to put the project over the
> top by [backing the Libre Tea Computer Card][2]? The final deadline is
> Friday, August 26th, so now is the time to act if you want to help
> promote the creation of devices whose software is fully under your
> control.
> 
> [4]: https://www.fsf.org/ryf
> [5]: https://www.parabola.nu/
> [6]: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros
> 
> Donald Robertson  
> Copyright & Licensing Associate  
> 
> *Read online: 
> <https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/only-a-short-time-left-to-support-libre-tea-computer-card-crowdfunding-ends-august-26th>.*

[WAR] India pledges support for Assad in Syria

[Zenaan Harkness]

** CONFIRMED: India pledges support for Assad after meeting in Damascus
(http://theduran.com/indian-foreign-minister-damascus-assad-visit/)

By Alexander Mercouris on Aug 22, 2016 12:24 pm
President-al-Assad-Indian-Foreign-Minister-3

That the story of the Syrian conflict is clouded by a fog of
misperception is today almost a commonplace.  The recent visit of a
strong Indian delegation to Syria headed by the Indian Foreign Minister
shows one other way in which this is true.

The way the Syrian conflict is regularly represented in the West is of a
Syrian government that has lost the support of the ‘international
community’ save for its allies Russia, Iran and China.

This has never been true.  The structure of the UN Security Council
means that the US can normally rely on a majority there, and within the
Arab world the Gulf Arab states led by the two Wahhabi monarchies Saudi
Arabia and Qatar have been been able to rally the Arab League against
Syria.  However in the world as a whole the conflict is perceived very
differently, not as some sort of Manichean struggle between good and
evil, but rather as a geopolitical conflict and as part of a broader
struggle against Jihadi terrorism.

The Indian government has been as outspoken a supporter of the Syrian
government as the Chinese and Russian governments have been.  More so in
some ways since like China but unlike Russia India is not involved in
the diplomacy of the Syrian conflict and does not therefore have to take
even a theoretical position that President Assad’s future should be
eventually decided by the Syrian people.

As the very cordial meeting (http://sana.sy/en/?p=85864) between Indian
Foreign Minister Mubashir Javed Akbar and Syrian President Assad which
took place in Damascus on 20th August 2016 shows, the Indian government
instead openly and straightforwardly supports the government of
President Assad.

India has many reasons for supporting Syria and the government of
President Assad.  As Assad is reported to have said during his meeting
with Mubashir Javed Akbar, relations between the countries are
longstanding and they are accustomed to thinking of each other as
friends.

More importantly, India is as hostile to the “regime change” doctrines
that have been coming out of the West as Russia and China are, and as
indeed most of the world is.  Last but not least, India has its own
problem of Jihadi terrorism and is naturally sympathetic to a country
like Syria which finds itself waging a bitter war against the two most
powerful Jihadi organisations in the world: Daesh and Al-Qaeda (in the
form of its regional branch Jabhat Al-Nusra).

India’s support for Syria obviously cannot compare with that of
countries like Russia or Iran.  India neither needs nor is able to
intervene in Syria in the way that those two powers are.  Instead it
makes sense for India to sit back and let the Russians and the Iranians
do the heavy lifting in Syria whilst quietly reaping the benefits and
giving diplomatic support.

That is neither cynical nor improper but is merely good policy and –
despite a recent ramping up
(https://www.rt.com/news/356161-china-syria-military-training/) of
Chinese support for Syria – it is essentially what the Chinese have also
been doing.

The point however is that the Western narrative of a Syrian government
discredited by its war crimes that is isolated internationally is simply
untrue.  On the contrary all three of the great Eurasian powers  –
China, Russia and India – in their different ways support it.

The post CONFIRMED: India pledges support for Assad after meeting in
Damascus
(http://theduran.com/indian-foreign-minister-damascus-assad-visit/)
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[RUS] Why Russia has not invaded Ukraine

[Zenaan Harkness]

** Here’s why Russia has NOT invaded Ukraine
(http://theduran.com/heres-why-russia-has-not-invaded-ukraine/)

By Adam Garrie on Aug 23, 2016 08:24 pm
donbass4

Although some in the west still insist that ‘Russia has invaded eastern
Ukraine’, for those with open eyes and ears, the interesting question is
‘Why HASN’T Russia intervened in Eastern Ukraine’?

The reasons are subtle and demonstrate a lot about Russia’s pragmatic
reaction to world events.

As things stand, Donbass is governed by two republics, that of Donetsk
and Lugansk. Both republics held independence referenda in May of 2014
in which the majority of people voted to separate from the regime in
Kiev.

Whilst supporting human rights in Donbass, offering aid and repeatedly
calling for an end to the violence rained down on the people of Donbass
by Kiev and their auxiliary terrorist gangs, Russia has not formally
recognised the statehood of the two republics.

Russia could easily recognise the two republics. Western sanctions on
Russia have been ineffective and you cannot sanction someone you’ve
already sanctioned.

Put another way, there could be few meaningful political or economic
consequences for Russia if she did recognise the independence of the
Donbass republics, republics which are comprised of Russian people who
are loyal to Russia and would be happy to formally enter politically the
Russian family of which they are culturally speaking, already a member.

However, if Russia did recognise the republics, it would change the
legal definition of the conflict from a civil war into a war between
states. This would therefore make an easier case for two impaired
republics to call on Russia to intervene in the war. And this leads one
to the reason that Russia has not ‘invaded’.

Russia wants less war not more war, even though a war between the
Russian army and Kiev’s fighters would be an easy victory for Russia.

Russia’s restraint in Donbass is a crucial case study of Russia’s role
in international politics.

Russia seeks to be a mediator in conflicts, not a force which
exacerbates such conflicts. Whilst NATO have given Kiev new weapons,
Russia gives Donbass food, medicine, blankets and fuel.

Russia has tried and continues to try to force a sensible political
settlement to the fighting and continues to do so even after thwarting a
Kiev sponsored terrorist attack on Russian territory.

Various conspiracy theories have emerged as to why Russia does not
militarily intervene in Donbass.

Some say that Putin wants Donbass to remain in Ukraine so that the
country can remain politically divided and consequently be permanently
paralysed in respect of making a decision on cooperation with Russia
versus cooperation with the EU.

The truth of the matter is that with or without Donbass, the country is
deeply divided, the borders of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic
being incompatible with an independent unitary state and furthermore
whilst cooperation with Russia is mechanically, economically and
technically possible, cooperation with the EU is not.

Ukrainian trains for example cannot run on European tracks but they can
run on Russian tracks. Ukrainian heavy manufacturing is compatible with
Russian standards but not with EU standards. Moreover, the EU has so
many economic and political problems to grapple with that taking on the
basket case of Kiev’s economic situation is more or less impossible.

Ukrainian politicians may boast that they are happy to replace Britain
as an EU member but frankly, Serbia, Albania or Montenegro have a better
chance of becoming EU member states than Ukraine does.

Another theory is that Russia does not want to spend the money on
reconstructing a war ravaged Donbass.

This is simply untrue. Russia has been providing Donbass with aid
throughout the war and will doubtless providing technical assistance in
rebuilding when the final gun goes silent. Absorbing a small area with
an infrastructure totally compatible to Russia’s into a mammoth Russian
Federation would neither be difficult nor expensive.

The truth is that Russia knows that the current regime in Kiev cannot
sustain itself. It won’t be around forever and most people in most parts
of Ukraine will be all too happy to see the putsch regime fall on its
own sword.

When this happens, it will then be possible to decide the future of the
country based on a new political settlement which respects self-
determination whilst rejecting war and terrorism.

Russia wants justice without violence and when this cannot be achieved,
Russia calls for a de-escalation of  violence.

Crimea voted to join Russia without a shot, but in Donbass this was not
possible because of geographical factors which made Kiev’s potential to
rapidly ignite a conflict all too easy. Considering the blood lust of
those in Kiev, war in Donbass went overnight from being unthinkable to
being inevitable.

Russia therefore is waiting for the day when 

[WAR] Hillary Clinton and more war - what's the possibility?

[Zenaan Harkness]

What's the likelihood HRC will bring more war, look for war, promote
war, and generally involve herself, North America, NATO and anyone the
USA can bomb the f#$@! out of, into more war?



** Hillary Clinton and “decision fatigue”
(http://theduran.com/hillary-clinton-decision-fatigue/)

By Adam Garrie on Aug 24, 2016 03:04 pm
NEW HAVEN, CT - APRIL 23: Democratic presidential candidate former
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton looks on during a roundtable
discussion with community members at Orangeside on Temple on April 23,
2016 in New Haven, Connecticut. Hillary Clinton met with local residents
to discuss her plans to raise the minimum wage and fight for equal pay
for women and paid leave for working families as she campaigns in
Connecticut ahead of Tuesday's presidential primary. (Photo by Justin
Sullivan/Getty Images)

Stories about the health or lack thereof, of Hillary Clinton are not
going away anytime soon. I have made it clear that in my personal view,
this should not be a matter of public record. I feel it is enough to say
that if her political decisions were formed in good faith, she is too
ignorant to lead any nation and that if they were taken in a calculated
way, she is too wicked and indeed too insane to lead any nation.

The latest story is that Hillary Clinton investigated medical treatments
for an erstwhile little known disease called ‘decision fatigue’. I’m not
a doctor, but I’m fairly sure when it comes to ‘decision fatigue’,
Hillary Clinton gets a clean bill of health.

Hillary Clinton is guilty of making some of the worst decisions in
contemporary geo-political history. Her advocacy for a war on Africa’s
wealthiest country, Libya, being first and foremost.

Her description of the execution of a foreign head of state by an
Islamist mob, a man whom George Bush no less had made an accord with,
demonstrates that she was not the least indecisive about her decision to
invade and consequently destroy Libya, at the cost not only of Libya
lives but of American lives. “We came, we saw, he died”, followed by
ghoulish laughter was her description, not exactly a symptom of someone
suffering from Hamletesque indecision.

Imagine if General Zhukov, General Montgomery or General Eisenhower
spoke that way, even if speaking against a forfeitable and wicked Nazi
foe? It simply wouldn’t enter the lexicon of such individuals.

Hillary Clinton’s illness is not that she suffers from ‘decision
fatigue’ but rather that she suffers from ‘conscience fatigue’, ‘logic
fatigue’ and ‘humaneness fatigue’. The world would be a better place if
there was a drug capable of curing such dangerous psychological
ailments.

The truth is that Hillary Clinton has never met a war she didn’t like
and never pushed for a war she didn’t glory in.

Failed leader though he is, Barack Obama has admitted that Libya was a
mistake, yet Hillary Clinton does not hesitate when it comes to
justifying her bold decision.

If only Hillary Clinton was less decisive, if only she looked before she
leapt, then the world would be a better place.

Whatever drugs she may be interested in, something which encourages
decisiveness would continue to cause great illnesses to an already
bleeding world.

As I have previously stated, I believe that whilst vulgar to discuss
physical health, psychological health ought to be a matter of debate. In
so far as this is the case it reminds one of the slogans from the 1964
US Presidential election. The Republican campaign said of Barry
Goldwater, ‘In your heart, you know he’s right”; the Democrats answered
“In your guts, you know he’s nuts”.

Substitute the he for a she and its 2016.

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(http://theduran.com/hillary-clinton-decision-fatigue/) appeared first
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And while we're on the topic of Hillary Clinton:


** Here’s a list of media companies who have donated to the Clinton
Foundation slush fund
(http://theduran.com/list-media-companies-donated-clinton-foundation-slush-fund/)

By Alex Christoforou on Aug 24, 2016 04:17 pm
clinton foundation

Wonder why the mainstream media is behind Hillary Clinton?

Just follow the money. Large media companies donated huge amounts to the
Clinton Foundation and they demand something in return…And that
“something in return” will be called in when Hillary becomes POTUS.

You damn be sure the media companies listed below will see that Hillary
Clinton makes it into the Oval Office. This is how their investment in
the Clinton Foundation slush fund will pay big dividends.

HRC not winning the US elections will have made for a very bad
investment.

Next time you read something great about Hillary and something terrible
about Trump from the below media outlets, remember, they placed a big
bet on a Hillary presidency, and they will do everything in their power
to see that bet through.

Just 

[WAR] Pentagon makes (hopefully final) all out bid for WW3 in Syria

[Zenaan Harkness]

Any influence of any nature anyone may have - now is the time to prod
for sanity.

Good luck world,
Zenaan



** US pushes for all out war in Syria, Vladimir Putin pushes for a peace
deal between Israel and Palestine
(http://theduran.com/us-pushes-war-syria-vladimir-putin-pushes-peace-deal-israel-palestinians/)

By Alex Christoforou on Aug 24, 2016 04:51 pm
putin sisi

Yesterday the US Pentagon made a stunning announcement
(http://theduran.com/us-pentagon-throws-full-support-behind-al-qaeda-syria-exclusion-zones-ready-shot-syrian-russian-planes/)
…in order to protect Kurdish forces (and Al Qaeda jihadists) fighting a
chaotic war in Syria, an “excursion zone” was being set up on Syrian
sovereign territory. Any Syrian and Russian planes trying to bomb
jihadist forces in Syria would be taken down by US forces.

This is America’s last and desperate attempt to save whatever remains of
their “moderate rebel” forces, also known as Al Nusra, who also go by Al
Qaeda, and who sometimes switch over to the guys we all know as ISIS.

Protecting the Kurds…well you can forget about the US backing a Kurdish
state long term. This would infuriate Turkey, a key NATO partner.

Unfortunately for the Kurds operating in Syria, they are simply being
used as cover, media pawns to protect the real golden boys of Al Qaeda,
who have been entrusted by America, Saudi Arabia and Qatar with the
overthrow of the Assad government.

As the world now awaits for Russia’s always measured response to the
Hollywood style rhetoric of the US Pentagon (which we are sure will
include words such as “our partners” and “diplomatic solution”), Russian
President Vladimir Putin has done the unexpected, once again, and
changed the Middle East narrative.

Courtesy of Egypt’s President Abdel-Fattah al-Sissi…

‘The Russian president has informed me that he has invited Palestinian
President Abbas and Prime Minister Netanyahu for a meeting in Moscow.’

This will surely anger US neocons and neo-liberal war hawks, and once
again shows how little the US establishment understand about Russian
diplomacy.

As the US opens up more war fronts and sews the seeds of chaos in the
Middle East, Russia counters with peace talks, sewing the seeds of
stability and pragmatism.

Haaretz reports (http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.737979) …

Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah al-Sissi said that Russian President
Vladimir Putin has expressed a willingness to host Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for talks in
Moscow, Egyptian media reported on Monday.

Sissi’s remarks came as Israeli and Palestinians officials reported
unsuccessful efforts on the part of European officials to try and
arrange a similar summit.

“The Russian president has informed me that he has invited Palestinian
President [Abbas] and Prime Minister Netanyahu for a meeting in Moscow,”
Sissi said.

“Egypt supports these efforts and both sides are urged to participate
and respond positively to the initiative for the sake of finding light
at the end of the tunnel for Palestinians and establishing their state
alongside Israel.”

According to Sissi, “Egypt’s relationship with both sides, Israelis and
the Palestinians, permit it to play a central role in the attempt to
renew the diplomatic process.” Nonetheless, he said, Egypt cannot be
solely responsible, but will rather be “that which convinces the sides
that if peace will be attained light will shine on the entire region.”

An Israeli-Palestinian peace deal brokered by Russia and Vladimir
Putin…now that would be the something to wish for.

Via: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.737979

The post US pushes for all out war in Syria, Vladimir Putin pushes for a
peace deal between Israel and Palestine
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Re: Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:20:35PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/23/2016 10:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:25:00PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> >> On 08/23/2016 08:37 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> >>>> So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups 
> >>>> are
> >>>> also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they
> >>>> about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like 
> >>>> all
> >>>> "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's 
> >>>> not
> >>>> a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?
> >>>
> >>> Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you.
> 
> So just what was so offensive? "Rapey Jakey"? I thought that was pretty
> funny :)

Although it's good to be able to reach a point of being able to laugh
about 'tough' topics, this phrase, in this context implies "I agree with
the lynch mob rhetoric".

It also condones the linguistic undermine and implicit compromise of
those who have suffered actual rape, and encourages the social discourse
in a direction which I personally find offensive and I say fosters an
environment where actual rape is more likely to be brushed aside with
"humour", and therefore makes the social environment more dangerous
generally.

That's a really bad thing.

If JA committed rape, which he and others deny, then there -should- (say
I) be a proper process for his victims to address their grievance.
Nothing remotely like "addressing genuine grievances" has happened.
And in this case, using the phrase "Rapey Jakey" at the moment in this
context, linguistically encourages us to diminish such rape.

If JA did not rape anyone, then "Rapey Jakey" slanders him personally -
I don't understand why you find that humorous, but I guess if you guys
want to laugh about it, that's your right.


In either case, this use of the word "rapey" is to me offensive and
really not in our nor anyone's interest.


Yes it has hit a nerve.


And yes, we need to lift our social and societal 'game' - we need to do
better, by those rightfully accused as well as by those wrongfully
accused.


I am disappointed when we, as a 'community', fail in this way.

Zenaan

Re: Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:25:00PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/23/2016 08:37 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> >> So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups are
> >> also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they
> >> about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like all
> >> "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's not
> >> a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?
> > 
> > Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you.
> > 
> > Are you going to retract it, wholly or partly?
> 
> Who the fuck are you to be asking for retractions?

I did not ask for a retraction.


> Are you batshit insane?

I ask if he was "going to" retract.

What he does/ says is up to him. I will respect his choice, although his
visible choices will determine whether I respect him.


That's who the fuck I am  :)

Re: Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 03:49:48AM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:10 PM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> > > So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups
> > are
> > > also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they
> > > about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like
> > all
> > > "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's
> > not
> > > a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?
> >
> > Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you.
> >
> > Are you going to retract it, wholly or partly?
> >
> 
> No.

So what exactly do you mean by your use of the phrase
"Rapey Jakey"?

Re: Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups are
> also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they
> about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like all
> "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's not
> a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?

Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you.

Are you going to retract it, wholly or partly?

Re: For the love of Mining

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 06:17:08PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/23/2016 02:07 PM, Mirimir wrote:
> 
> > So why use GMail?
> >
> 
> +1x10(6)
> 
> I've heard SOME people use it b/c "Filtering". (scratches head wondering
> wtf is so special about gmail filtering)

Well, I currently use it on the rare occasion to be able to post to
cypherpunks - discovered that gmail sends email where my ISP rejects an
email (did ask Alex to forward an email for me once, before I figured
out that gmail was the solution). Occasionally.

Re: Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:50:47AM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:06 PM Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> > On 08/23/2016 04:46 PM, juan wrote:
> > > On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:08:19 +
> > > Sean Lynch  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Rapey Jakey's side?
> > >
> > >
> > >   Tell us, Sean. How long before google's 'AI' can detect hate
> > >   speech against womyn and send drones to summarily execute the
> > >   criminals?
> >
> > See Shumeet Baluja's _Silicon Jungle_. He's with Google ;)
> >
> >
> Thanks for the recommendation. Bought a copy (via Google, because I'm lazy
> & the DRM is easier to break on Linux than Amazon's).
> 
> Data mining and throwing people in jail for "precrimes" using parallel
> construction to back-construct a plausible evidence trail is already
> commonplace. It's more than a little silly that it's "feminazis" that juan
> and his ilk are afraid of

Sean, are you actually lacking in the self awareness to discern your own
offensive rhetoric?

Or are you actually intending to offend?

Is it that you want to say "there's no feminazi's now running Tor Inc,
and if there are, we shouldn't be at all worried about them anyway"?

Or otherwise, what the fuck are you trying to say - because you're
sounding like a real ass...


> when people are being entrapped and imprisoned
> right now for having beliefs many of us on this list share, just because
> they got fooled into taking some tiny step in the direction of some illegal
> means of doing something about it (i.e. the crime of "conspiracy").

False dichotomy. No point going there...

Re: Cryptome run by feds

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 08:43:47PM -0400, jaun wrote:
> Well that site needs to be taken down who responsible locked up. Posting CIA 
> names and address, snowden and tons of other information putting people at 
> Risk.

Ha haa hahahahaha ... jaun doubles back and outs themselves.

That wuz quick!

Re: FM Corporations/ businesses/ entitities

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:58:36PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> Of course, I can't complain too much about it; it's already a huge problem
> in SIlicon Valley that we tend to build solutions that work well for us and
> far less well for the other 99.999% of the population. But it would be nice
> if we could figure out how to make something as important as an email
> address more portable for regular people by making it super easy to have a
> custom domain that you use for just yourself or your family or whatever.

That's almost trivial - just rent a domain, route your email wherever
... transition on and off google or any other provider to your heart's
content.

Re: moving on

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:44:35PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:34 PM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote:
> > Next step, agreeing here on those "few key points" :)
> 
> "The list is not moderated, and the range of beliefs expressed here covers
> the full spectrum. If this bothers you and you are inclined to complain
> about it, you're gonna have a bad time."

I'll Ack that one.

Re: [RUS] [MONEY] Fw: Your guide to some bullshit - was Re: Your Guide to the Operational Launch of the NWO in 2016 (Update 3.1 - Putin's Drive to Militarize the UN)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:22:09PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:07 PM juan  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:34:32 +
> > Sean Lynch  wrote:

> > > It seems to me the most likely explanation is that we all love a good
> > > conspiracy theory and there in fact is no NWO.
> >
> >
> > So 'institutions' or gangs like the IMF, the world bank, the
> > WHO, the UN, WTO, etc, etc, don't really exist.
> 
> Did I say that? They obviously exist. I just don't think it's particularly
> meaningful to talk about them collectively as part of a "New World Order".
> It's a charged term that means different things to different people and
> implies a vast conspiracy that doesn't really exist.

How about use terms in their literal sense: "world order" meaning the
entities which have control and power in the world, and "new world
order" meaning possible future changes in the existing order?


> > And transnational US military contractors like google don't
> > exist either.
> 
> The only military contracts I'm aware of were inherited from Boston
> Dynamics. AFAIK no new ones were negotiated while Google has owned them,
> and Google is selling them.

Your a google apologist. Goes with the territory of being paid by
google.


> But this is clearly just a dig at me rather than being intended to add
> anything to the discussion anyway, so whatever.

Prior to this discussion, I had not committed into my memory that Google
had bought a USA military (-related) company.

Goolges "do no evil" is ever more distant.

And seriously, what's the least visible way for any large company to get
in bed with the military? Buy a company, get right in bed, then sell it
and pretend you're washing your hands by doing so, keeping that clean
corporate face.


Reminder: The USA government and MIC is droning people to death, every
single day, ongoingly, in many "sovereign" nations, outside of any
"international law", outside of any judicial process or rule of law.

This is absolutely abhorrent.

The Boston Dynamics episode demonstrates Google's more than tacit
support for this USA droning and endless war program.

Re: [RUS] [MONEY] Fw: Your guide to some bullshit - was Re: Your Guide to the Operational Launch of the NWO in 2016 (Update 3.1 - Putin's Drive to Militarize the UN)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:22:09PM +, Sean Lynch wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:07 PM juan  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:34:32 +
> > Sean Lynch  wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Now there's one I hadn't heard before. Usually you hear about the
> > > "NWO" from people pushing UFO theories and new age bullshit, or from
> > > Christian conspiracy theorists who think Obama is the antichrist
> > > trying to create the NWO or some such crap.
> >
> > So, you want to associate serious political analysis with that
> > kind of lunatics because you have zero argumentes against
> > serious politcal analysis.
> >
> 
> I think I may not have been clear. I was referring to the crap on the "
> redefininggod.com" web site more than Zenaan's reply.

"More than" my reply, or "not" my reply - how far do you intend to take
your retraction, just to be clear, ?


> And like it or not, the concept of the "New World Order" is
> inextricably linked with conspiracy theories,

To what extent do you distinguish conspiracy theory from conspiracy
fact?

Seriously, can you speak with clarity on this? If you can, please do so,
I'd like to hear what you have to say - "conspiracy theory vs conspiracy
fact"



> so it's probably best to avoid using the phrase if you want to be
> taken seriously.

Speak to conspiracy theory vs conspiracy fact, and we might be able to
have a conversation.

Re: For the love of Mining

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:05:45AM +0200, Pinoaffe wrote:
> > I'm guessing you can get around this by using IMAP or POP3 to read your
> > email. I wonder what their monetization plan is for customers who read
> > their mail with an email client?
> Can't they also change the links to redirects before imap and pop3
> download them? It's probably more work to implement, but still very
> possible.

For those who -do- still route through gmail, that would be the last
straw.

I think they value being able to scan the email more than breaking that
camels back.

But who knows how sane they are - let's see where it goes :)

Re: moving on

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 07:25:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/22/2016 11:07 PM, Bastiani Fortress wrote:
> > Was this sarcastic? If not, why did you even subscribe? To rat out
> > people in case they might give away their identities? I didn't see you
> > post anything for as long as i've been here either.
> 
> 
> Note to self: Stop posting Cypherpunks links on twitter... All sorts of
> cyberdetritus results.

The cypherpunks email list "are you sure" subscription email should
publicise and warn at that point "a few key points" re the list and what
to expect and what they are accepting re this list.

Next step, agreeing here on those "few key points" :)

Re: Fwd: [Cryptography] Electronic currency revived after 20-year hiatus

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 05:24:26PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote:
> From: Ray Dillinger 
> On 08/17/2016 06:21 PM, Natanael wrote:

> The "Lightning Network" solves a problem for people who do many
> transactions per day with each other.  There is no merchant nor client
> with whom I do more than one transaction per day, so absolutely none of
> my transactions would wind up using it.  I expect it to have some real
> impact on the bandwidth and size of the block chain because some
> business models are absolutely pathological in terms of number of
> transactions per day by individual customers (like casinos or
> speculative markets) but not nearly as much as its proponents hope
> because it simply isn't applicable to ordinary tx (like grocery
> stores, office supply vendors, restaurants, or investment markets).

Thanks for forwarding Cari.

Why is there a seemingly continual focus on "hegemonic" or "single
network" solutions to worldwide online $ tx?

Today, "national central banks" have their daily (or more frequent) bulk
tx balancing, some networks inter-operate where it makes sense (ATM and
plastic card networks).

Example: PayPal seemed (to my naieve viewing) for a time like it would
be the Amazon.com payment network. Just another "plastic card" that
works a bit better in the internet world. Of necessity they interoperate
with existing $ networks - VISA, Mastercard and national banks (SWIFT I
guess).

BitCoin is a newer network again, and seems to make it even easier to
democratise a network of payment and value storage networks - i.e.,
anyone can spin one up if their tribe, company or network is otherwise
large enough for that to make sense.

"Financial instrument exchanges" and casinos have solved the problem for
their particular pathological cases, they become small worlds, which
interact with external $ networks.

My gut feeling is that the more independent $ networks the better. I
don't know that it makes sense if you're only two people, but hey, if
that works for two particular people, go for it ... GPG would probably
be adequate in that scenario to "sign" a contract.


> And it still doesn't solve the problem that Trusted parties have emerged
> in the form of online wallets and exchanges etc, and they are failing
> and/or goxxing people on a regular basis.

The problem of computer "security" generally is far from being solved,
unsolvable in the general case (social engineering), possibly solvable
in specific cases (https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
seems a rational start to a sane manufacturing regime that might
successfully work towards systems exhibiting sensible security
characteristics).


> Multimillion dollar losses, thefts, and swindles impose public as well
> as private expense.

Perhaps it would be useful to target micro banks running on Eoma 
hardware.

Point is, we really ought continue the $ democratisation thinking,
not the centralisation "one hegemonic network" thinking.


> Legislators, Law enforcers, and civil courts cannot
> ignore them because the people who get goxxed when they happen won't
> allow them to.  Legislation, law enforcement, and both civil and
> criminal prosecutions in court are damned expensive, and will
> accordingly attract taxation and regulation as the taxpayers
> underwriting that expense use their governments to seek to limit their
> losses.

I do suggest anyone personally capable of using a word processor learn
how to write an Affidavit. It's not complicated, but if not done before,
may not be quite obvious (everything I personally saw, did, spoke or
heard is a start).

Democratise legal process - better to try and fail initially, than fail
to try at all.

The mindset of "lawyer monopoly on legally successful court cases"
really ought be busted.


> Being a self-sufficient or self-regulating system does not include
> placing fiscal burdens on the public without taxation.

It doesn't?

So goxxing isn't part of the market that discovers "secure online low
latency easily accessed monetary stores" is a hard problem, and perhaps
an easy "solution" to game by unscrupulous players?

Can we consider that being nonchalant about goxxers might actually
encourage folks to think about trust, who they trust, who they can trust
and how to discover trustability (of different types of trust)?

Surely we need a market for "engendering human sanity"? As in,
unscrupulous folks doing unscrupulous things should be punishable by
those who choose to punish them, by legal and or lawful means of course.
But why punish the rest of us who have developed genuine trust networks
- or at least, value the possibility of developing such trust networks
without the overloads of arbitrary regulation/legislation, which as
we've seen since ancient Greece, inevitably devolves into tyranny?


> Nor does it
> include freeloading on public law enforcement,

I have a problem with the phrase "public law enforcement" - when was the
damn law "publicly enforced" in my favour, 

the diplomats jurisdiction

[Zenaan Harkness]

For those who like their oglaf and cypherpunks combined
( nsfw xxx ao ):
http://oglaf.com/sanctuary/

Re: moving on (multiple future forks)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:52:36AM +0100, oshwm wrote:
> Better still would be a way for any number of list servers to co-exist 
> without delivering multiple copies of mail.
> 
> This would allow anyone to set up another server at will and add robustness 
> to the system.
> 
> Is this already in existence or a new idea, is it even a valid idea?

Some "enterprisey" thing would work the mail server as a distributed
fault tolerant event queueing framework. Dunno if this has been done
with email "events" - if one knew what one was doing, this would
probably be "just a plugin" for an existing event queueing framework.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GEODE/HA+Client+Event+Queues

http://atomix.io/atomix/

http://techblog.bozho.net/you-probably-dont-need-a-message-queue/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeroMQ

Re: moving on (multiple future forks)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:07:51AM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 03:51:23PM -0700, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
> > Folks,
> > 
> > After 15+ years running a cypherpunks node, it's quitting time for me.
> > I plan to delete the mailman aliases on September 30th.
> > 
> > If anyone is interested in migrating the list to his or her machine
> > before then, that would be great; let's discuss on-list.
> >
>  
> So far I saw two offers to host the list after 30.Sep.
> 
> IMHO two or more future lists won't hurt. Everyone can set a
> cypherpunks list (but won't get the past reputation of this one, if any).

Is there a way to set up two or three email servers acting in concensus,
basically mirrormiring each other, but not duplicating emails to the
subscribers?

That way there'd be less time pressure when one person wants to move on
(Riad, you're a gentleman - thank you again.)

Re: moving on

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 05:14:34PM -0400, Ben 0wned wrote:
> Most of us grew up during the cypherpunks movement

So... "I Ben have 'cred' round here... and even though I am anonymous,
hiding who I am in meatspace, and have never contributed to making this
list what I'd like it to be..."


> Good reason to just let this list die.

"... I'm going to tell you all what to do and where to go..."


> Bunch of OLD angry people

"... get on an ageist bandwagon ..."


> with no life

"... accuse y'all of being hopeless folks with nothing to live for ..."


> but to sit around

"... make accusations about how bloody lazy y'all are, even though I
don't know any of youse ..."


> and bitch and moan

"... characterise all the emails I bothered to look at in a really
shitty way, because my opinion is all that matters ..."


> about shit all day long.

"... and tell y'all that what you say, when you say it and how you say
it, is shit, through and through ..."


> What a miserable life.

"... And finally, you're all shit, did I mention you're shit? Cause you
are!  And I'm gonna imply my support for murder, deny you your right to
express your anger, and get really pissed off when anyone blows a
kettle.

Because that's my right, and all of you are shit (did I mention you're
all shit? Coz you are alright?!"




Somehow, somewhere in your little brain, something next to that one
brain cell that fired this morning after 3 cups of cofee, you decided
that your email was somehow a good or constructive or otherwise useful
email to send.

Cecilia's observation that "you're not the brightest apple in the cart"
seems rather apt...

But hey, what would I know, cause we're all "shit" around here ...

Re: moving on

[Zenaan Harkness]

>  Original Message 
> On Aug 22, 2016, 4:37 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> 
> Ben,
> 
> Keep your focus. Read it, please: 
> http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html
 
> Do you understand the importance of discussing governments now?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:34:22PM -0400, Ben 0wned wrote:
> i cant say i do. To me cyberpunks along with Tor shit is a fucking
> breeding ground for criminals and criminal activity. If you dont like
> your govt or laws where you live get the hell out.
>
> This list has got to go.

WHAT a man! Defender of free speech, champion of liberty, slayer of
tyranny.

He must have had a hard life somewhere to get such strength, to be so
inspiring.

We ought be honoured and bow before thee, thy lordship!

Re: moving on

[Zenaan Harkness]

> > I'd be happy to host the list (and, if desired, cpunks.org) on the
> pglaf.org server.  No problem.  I run the server, and it's on a dedicated
...

For a second there I thouhgt "oh, the oglaf guy - he must be punk,
that's probably a good fit"

http://oglaf.com/

Re: Rising carbon dioxide is greening the Earth - but it's not all good news

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 02:30:06PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> On 8/17/16, Mirimir  wrote:
> > Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking useless. The
> > latency is too great, and there are too many positive feedbacks. By the
> > time that impacts are undeniable enough to motivate substantial
> > reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too late.
> 
> It's a bit of a race, how long can you consume faster than
> natural replenishment, and generally fuck shit up, before
> reaching the understanding, control, and technology needed
> to back you off the depletion and saturation points. The further
> you gamble under a negative rate condition, on your ability
> to push the event horizon of reaching positive replenishment
> and restoration, particularly as your negative rate is increasing
> (2nd derivative), the greater your odds of losing.
> 
> Humans like to gamble, but Nature is the bookie, the house,
> programmer of the slots, printer of tokens, dealer, security, etc...
> To Her, right now, you're just a dumb patron, drunk on
> consumption, and She's going to win.
> 
> Sober up.

Nature wins - but it can take a long time for her to clean up the mess
her organisms make, so yes, we should sober up.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/

https://climatism.wordpress.com/2014/01/10/hell-on-earth/

Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

[Zenaan Harkness]

- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> -

Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:48:41 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>
To: tor-relays <tor-rel...@lists.torproject.org>
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

I concur with all you say below.

Exceptionally well spoken. Evidently you have some solid experience in
your corporate managerial role.

Thanks for speaking up.


On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:50:37PM -0700, Arisbe wrote:
>Okay, so I've been concerned about the safety of at-risk Tor users since 
> all this shit broke.  New employees at the
>organizational structure serving as the main accuser, an all new board 
> with interrelationships and motivation
>unknown, grenades rolled under office doors and all of the rest leaves a 
> bad taste in my mouth.  I cannot, at this
>time, recommend to a third world citizen, that (s)he trust the Tor 
> network.  I hope that changes.
>The issue is whether or not someone new in the Tor organization will, 
> accidentally or intentionally, put third world
>users at risk.  I cannot trust an all-new board.  Tor needs to be on their 
> best behavior in order for me to
>re-establish trust in the organization.
>As a retired corporate manager I've seen these problems before.  I have 
> several suggestions that I feel are must-do
>tasks for the Tor Project:
>1)  Secure an independent investigator to look into the allegations 
> against Jacob.  Either demonstrate that he is not
>an honorable employee or reinstate him.  No one should trust anonymous 
> claims that can ruin his career.  If Jacob is
>guilty, he should be prosecuted;
>2)  Board member should be open, accessible and available to employees and 
> node operators.  Their background and
>motivation for being a director of the Tor Project should be disseminated. 
>  There interrelationship with other board
>members should be known;
>3)  As one of the founders of Tor, Roger should openly discuss these and 
> all issues in a public manner (on the web
>page, webinar, magazine article, etc.);
>4)  An organizational plan should be placed in the employment manual that 
> puts significant distance between coding
>employees and directors;
>5)  Employees and directors should not operate nor have access to 
> authority servers.
>I've operated a number of exits and guards for several years now 
> (including, as far as I know, the only Tor node in
>Albania). [1]  I will leave these operational for now but I expect changes 
> in this unprofessionally operated 501c3.
>[1]
> 
>A827646DD0F8B92A9963789529CEE3141FF74761
>4061C553CA88021B8302F0814365070AAE617270
>C80DF89B21FF932DEC0D7821F679B6C79E1449C3
>9B31F1F1C1554F9FFB3455911F82E818EF7C7883
>D3E5EDDBE5159388704D6785BE51930AAFACEC6F

- End forwarded message -

[z...@freedbms.net: Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike]

[Zenaan Harkness]

CC

- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> -

Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:49:05 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>
To: tor-rel...@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:14:59PM -0400, krishna e bera wrote:
> On 21/08/16 10:02 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Fact: Jacob Applebaum's directory authority was a target of NSA's
> > XKEYSCORE:
> > https://contraspin.co.nz/the-weaponising-of-social-part-3-the-resurrection-of-ioerror/
> 
> Of course, perhaps they all are.
> 
> > Fact: Jacob Applebaum got kicked from Tor Inc, prior to a proper
> > investigation.
> 
> Any organization would do the same with similar allegations.  If he was
> exonerated, he could rejoin afterwards.

Put it to relevant/ external/ unbiased authorities, not internally
compromised "investigation group with chips on their shoulders".


> > Fact: The investigation done by Tor Inc, was run by the primary accusers
> > of Jacob Applebaum.
> 
> Evidence?
> 
> 
> > In the USA's war against Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Wikileaks and
> > Edward Snowden, Jacob Applebaum was a very high target, and caused the
> > three letter agencies a lot of problems.
> >
> > So yes, operation of the network you use for -genuine- privacy needs, is
> > very much dependent on those running the organisation.
> > 
> > 
> > Fact: The ENTIRE board of Tor Inc got replaced after Jacob was given the
> > boot!
> > 
> > My conclusion: This was a coup, blunt and bloody, take no prisoners,
> > respect no righteousness.
> 
> Overdramatic.  Where's the blood?

Jacob Applebaum's scalp.


> Who was behind the coup, and what hard evidence do you have?  Are you
> looking for #torstrike to prompt leaks of such info?

I don't know that torstrike could be useful ultimately. Forking
possibly.


> Makes more sense for the Board to be distinct from the day to day
> operations people anyway.

The only thing that makes sense is that the core people are trustworthy
- there are now major problems with core Tor Inc people.


> > My conclusion: The operation of the Tor directory authorities can no
> > longer be trusted.
> 
> Perhaps it never could be.  Are you ready to run one?

Is that a genuine offer and a genuine possibility?


> > My conclusion: The deployment of TBB by Tor Inc can no longer be
> > trusted.
> 
> Fork it.

That is happening.

- End forwarded message -

Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

[Zenaan Harkness]

Forwarding to distinguish mailing lists.


- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> -

Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:02:53 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>
To: tor-rel...@lists.torproject.org
Cc: m.krzys...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 07:53:26PM -0600, Marcel Krzystek wrote:
> ​What are the thoughts of relay operators on this?
> https://ghostbin.com/paste/kmnzz
> 
> I can be persuaded otherwise, and perhaps i'm being naive, but i believe
> that operation of the network should remain independent from the politics
> within the organization.

Hi Marcel,

Fact: Jacob Applebaum's directory authority was a target of NSA's
XKEYSCORE:
https://contraspin.co.nz/the-weaponising-of-social-part-3-the-resurrection-of-ioerror/

Fact: Jacob Applebaum got kicked from Tor Inc, prior to a proper
investigation.

Fact: The investigation done by Tor Inc, was run by the primary accusers
of Jacob Applebaum.


In the USA's war against Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Wikileaks and
Edward Snowden, Jacob Applebaum was a very high target, and caused the
three letter agencies a lot of problems.


So yes, operation of the network you use for -genuine- privacy needs, is
very much dependent on those running the organisation.


Fact: The ENTIRE board of Tor Inc got replaced after Jacob was given the
boot!



My conclusion: This was a coup, blunt and bloody, take no prisoners,
respect no righteousness.

My conclusion: The operation of the Tor directory authorities can no
longer be trusted.

My conclusion: The deployment of TBB by Tor Inc can no longer be
trusted.


Draw your own conclusions.

- End forwarded message -

Re: [tor-talk] Revolt Against Tor Over Rape Claims, Process, Board, Etc

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 01:28:27AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> https://contraspin.co.nz/the-weaponising-of-social-part-3-the-resurrection-of-ioerror/
> August 16, 2016
> The Weaponising Of Social Part 3: The Resurrection Of IOError
...

(Anyone who has yet to read this part 3 article above, recommended of
course :)


grarpamp, this email of yours to which I reply appears on the tor-talk
archives, which is good, but also my response to the "why wikileaks"
email seems to have ended up in the archives:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042027.html

(This is from tor-talk archive thread index for August:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/thread.html
)

Good if that one made it through, odd if it didn't actually make it
through, but did make it through to the archives.

Can someone confirm if they received that email outside of the
cypherpunks CC?

(I cannot find a copy in my duplicates folder, and it landed in cp
folder, so perhaps google (my email is still unfortunately routed
through gmail) removes duplicates of emails when it comes from two
different mailing lists?)

Thanks
Zenaan

Re: Fwd: [tor-talk] Algorithm that chooses exit nodes

[Zenaan Harkness]

The fork of TBB and tor is way overdue. Time to update our git remotes
to track the forks and think about "user visibility into tor and TBB
operation" addons.


On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:05:02PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote:
> curiousness
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: 
> Date: Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:53 PM
> Subject: [tor-talk] Algorithm that chooses exit nodes
> To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org
> 
> Dear fellows,
> 
> I´d like to know, what algorithm does TOR use to chose an exit node?
> What I find strange is, I always get an exit node from the same region on
> this planet.
> I never had an exit node, say from Russia or Hong Kong or Japan, but always
> from the same region.
> 
> This algorithm does not seem to chose it really randomly.
> Thus I´m curious how TOR choses exit nodes!
> 
> Thank you

[z...@freedbms.net: Re: [tor-talk] Appelbaum Subject Of Investigative Journalism]

[Zenaan Harkness]

I CCed this list on two of the emails. Here's the other 3.

Guess I ought be surprised they 'moderated' the last one below.

Regards,
Zenaan



- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> -
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 18:07:42 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>
To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Appelbaum Subject Of Investigative Journalism

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 06:52:57PM +0200, carlo von lynX wrote:
> Still sounds a lot like JTRIG and Zersetzung to me...

This list, unfortunately, is censored.

Desire to discuss important matters, when considered offtopic by those
with authority over this list, will result in being banned.

Other than that, your post is appreciated by me, fwiw.

Viva la censor!
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- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> -
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 18:16:50 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>
To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] A community concern that needs to be addressed,

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:17:48PM -0400, Griffin Boyce wrote:
> myz...@openmailbox.org wrote:
> >Their post seems to be somewhat political and based on recent events.
> >The user's concern on the lack of technical posts makes a lot of
> >sense. I feel like Tor has become increasingly user-friendly and the
> >Tor Browser Bundle is by far less 'intimidating' to perform first time
> >configuration than it was a few years ago. The lack of technical posts
> >might concern some people. What are your thoughts on addressing the
> >issue?
> 
>   When I was at HOPE in July, men and women were saying (to me at least)
> that they were happy that Tor is progressing, that they think we're growing
> as a community, and they look forward to volunteering.  Honestly, that makes
> me really fucking happy.  That's not really an `identity politics` thing.  I
> would say that none of the people that I spoke to who plan to volunteer had
> any past negative experiences with any Tor peeps.  It's more a matter of
> seeing a terrible situation happen (from afar) and then seeing it handled in
> a serious way.

That would have been good.


> It's been a real rough patch for the community, but most
> everyone seems to be handling it with grace and professionalism.

Just not on the fundamentals.

Fail on your "process of justice" (irregardless of the guilt of an
accused), and you fail not only every one of us in "the Tor community"
but you fail yourself too!


> Things
> like that can inspire confidence in a project's team,

Sure. "Team bonding" arising from turmoil handled well.

That would be great, except that is NOT what has happened here. And it's
not what IS STILL happening.


> as weird as that
> probably sounds.

Not weird at all - relationships are built probably more on how the
"downs" are resolved rather than on how many "ups" you have!

Human nature.

And common sense.


>   So: I'm happy that people aren't scared away,

Again, would be great if that were true.

The problem is, saying it don't make it true. We can't "pretend away" a
genuine and ongoing problem - that's not "positive thinking", that's
actually "delusion" - a major difference!


> hope that people of all
> genders will keep volunteering, and that everyone will eventually move
> beyond this (perhaps to more technical topics).  People can always post
> about a Tor-related project on this list and it may well make it to the blog
> or twitter.  I mean, if someone posts a cool project here I'm pretty likely
> to post it to my twitter stream =)
> 
> ~Griffin
> 
> -- 
> Accept what you cannot change, and change what you cannot accept.
> PGP: 0x03cf4a0ab3c79a63
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- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> -
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 17:59:08 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>
To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Shutting down my tor relay

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 01:37:29AM -0500, Anthony Papillion wrote:
> Sorry, but this is crap. The Tor project has a lot of problems that they
> are hopefully trying to address. They are culpable in the whole
> situation with Jacob and that's on them. But you know who didn't do
> anything wrong? The actual people you're harming by shutting down your
> relay.
> 
> They have done nothing.
> 
> You're not punishing the Tor project by shutting your relay down. You're
> putting peoples lives in danger because of a political issue you have
> with Tor project. Why should innocent users be punished? Is the
> kerfuffle with Jacob worth someone's life?  I suppose only you can
> decide that but I think you're making a huge mistake.

I disagree with your characterisation that someone who stops
-volunteering- is putting peoples' lives at risk.

That is a slap in the face to the --volunteer-- for all the work they
have previously volunteered.
- End forwarded message -

[USA] from Bill to Hillary Clinton - 'impeachment' prior to potential POTUS ? :)

[Zenaan Harkness]

   I found my thrill ... on perjury hill.




The show goes on...




** Republicans look to nail Hillary Clinton for perjury [Video] 
(http://theduran.com/republicans-look-to-nail-hillary-clinton-for-perjury-video/)

By Alex Christoforou on Aug 17, 2016 07:05 pm
Republicans look to nail Hillary Clinton for perjury [Video]

Perjury. Will Hillary Clinton’s documented lies bring the untouchable
politician down?

The Hill reports
(http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/291494-gop-lays-out-case-for-charging-clinton-with-perjury)
…

A pair of leading House Republicans on Monday laid out detailed
instructions for the Justice Department to file perjury charges against
Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton
(http://thehill.com/people/hillary-clinton) .

More than a month after first requesting the department open a criminal
probe
(http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/287283-judiciary-oversight-chairs-demand-clinton-perjury-investigation)
into Clinton for alleged misstatements she made under oath, the GOP
heads of the House Judiciary and Oversight committees told a federal
prosecutor
(https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2016-08-02-Kadzik-DOJ-to-JEC-Goodlatte-Phillips-USAO-Criminal-Referral-Letter-re-7-11.pdf)
specifically where they believed Clinton had lied to Congress about her
email setup at the Department of State.

“Believed Clinton had lied to Congress.”  Their is no doubt she lied to
Congress, and the American people, multiple times, over and over.
Clinton is simply too powerful and well connected, with the media in her
pocket, to prosecute.

She is without a doubt above the law.

The Hill
(http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/291494-gop-lays-out-case-for-charging-clinton-with-perjury)
notes that perjury charges may finally be the undoing of HRC.
Republicans are pointing to statements that Clinton had made under oath
before the Benghazi Committee last October…

For one, Clinton repeatedly claimed that none of the material she sent
or received via her personal email account was marked as classified. The
FBI later declared that at least three emails on her machine contained
some classified markings, although they were incomplete and apparently
done in error.

Additionally, Clinton previously claimed that her lawyers had gone
through each of her emails individually; that all of her work-related
emails were given back to the State Department in 2014; and that she
used only one server throughout the course of her tenure as the nation’s
top diplomat. Each of those points was proven incorrect, the GOP
lawmakers claimed.

“The four pieces of sworn testimony by Secretary Clinton described
herein are incompatible with the FBI’s findings,” they wrote. “We hope
this information is helpful to your office’s consideration of our
referral.”

GOP leaders of the House Judiciary and Oversight committees told a
federal prosecutor the instances (four to be precise), where they
believed Hillary Clinton had lied to Congress…

In at least four separate occasions during a marathon appearance before
the House Select Committee on Benghazi, the lawmakers alleged, the
former secretary’s claims were at odds with what the FBI has now
discovered to be the truth about her private server.

“Although there may be other aspects of Secretary Clinton’s sworn
testimony that are at odds with the FBI’s findings, her testimony in
those four areas bears specific scrutiny in light of the facts and
evidence” provided by FBI Director James Comey, Reps. Bob Goodlatte
(R-Va.) and Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) told the U.S. attorney for the
District of Columbia, Channing Phillips. Goodlatte leads the Judiciary
Committee and Chaffetz runs the Oversight Committee.

Monday’s letter is a sign that Republicans are committed to pressuring
the Justice Department to act against Clinton, even after it notably
declined to prosecute her for mishandling classified information.

So we do not forget the tangled web of lies that Hillary Clinton has
weaved, the Oversight Committee released a video detailing the
inaccuracies in Hillary’s testimony…

IFRAME: 
[1]http://www.youtube.com/embed/BvFiH_F9jLo?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent

Via: 
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/291494-gop-lays-out-case-for-charging-clinton-with-perjury

The post Republicans look to nail Hillary Clinton for perjury [Video]
(http://theduran.com/republicans-look-to-nail-hillary-clinton-for-perjury-video/)
appeared first on The Duran (http://theduran.com) .

References

1. 
http://www.youtube.com/embed/BvFiH_F9jLo?version=3=1=1=2=0=1_load_policy=1=transparent

[WAR] Does Russia want war?

[Zenaan Harkness]

For some folks, perhaps an "average North American citizen", this
article might possibly be important.

To me it is stating the obvious, but it just might allay some fears for
some folk out there...




** 5 questions for Peter Lavelle: Does Russia want war? 
(http://theduran.com/5-questions-peter-lavelle-russia-want-war/)

By Peter Lavelle on Aug 18, 2016 11:27 am

Russian soldiers dressed in Red Army World War II uniforms prepare to
parade in Red Square in front of a backdrop of St. Basil Cathedral in
Moscow, Russia, Thursday, Nov. 7, 2013. Thousands of Russian soldiers
and military cadets marched across Red Square to mark the 72nd
anniversary of a historic World War II parade. The show honored the
participants of the Nov. 7, 1941 parade who headed directly to the front
lines to defend Moscow from the Nazi forces. The parade Thursday
involved about 6,000 people, many of them dressed in World War II-era
uniforms. (AP Photo/Alexander Zemlianichenko)

Question: The first and most important question: does Russia want a war
against the west, against the U.S.?

Answer: Most emphatically no! During the Cold War the primary
adversaries went to great lengths to understand the other side’s
position – to put themselves in the other guy’s shoes. Today this is not
happening. This is why the current situation is so unstable and
dangerous. Washington is not interested in resolving conflicts; in fact,
it only inflames them, i.e. Syria, Ukraine and the South China Sea. More
broadly, Americans refuse to recognize that Russia has its own national
security interests – its own “red lines.” The Kremlin has resigned
itself to having to deal with an interlocutor that is deaf and dumb.
Russia is preparing for the worst.

Q.: How to do you respond to the claim that Russia is determined to
undermine NATO, western alliances, and return to the Middle East as a
major player? Is Putin’s Russia determined to restore the power and
influence of the Soviet Union?

A.: We have to remember the Cold War was never properly ended. Mikhail
Gorbachev naively believed Washington would keep its word (a gentlemen’s
agreement given verbally – not in writing) NATO would not move eastward
with the dissolution of the Warsaw Part. Russia was lied to. NATO did
expand eastward and does pose a security threat to Russia. The Kremlin
reflects on this every single day as it is endlessly accused of behaving
“aggressively.” Does Russia want to see NATO collapsed or reformed in a
way that identifies 21^st century security realities? Of course it does.
This is acting like a rational nation-state actor.

When it comes to the Middle East, it is clear what is happening.
Washington has shown itself to be erratic, incredibly violent, and
unreliable. Too much of America’s foreign policy behavior is influenced
by its unholy alliances with Israel and Saudi Arabia – countries that
are only security liabilities for the U.S., its alliance partners in the
Middle East and further afield. The illegal regime change in Iraq and
the other wars of choice in the region have all ended in disastrous
failures. Russia doesn’t want to see the same to happen in Syria. Doing
so has made Russia an enemy of the west. Washington’s plans to overthrow
the secular regime in Damascus are nothing less than insanity.

On the issue of re-building the Soviet Union or Russian Empire: this is
fantasy. Russia was a net loser in the Soviet Union. There are many
Russians who do miss the Soviet Union, but not for its empire. They miss
certainty and stability – the all-encompassing welfare state. The vast
majority of Russians never give Estonia a thought. Even if a majority of
Estonians voted to join Russia, I bet the vast majority of Russians
would say no. Russian designs on the Baltic States are a western media
illusion.

Q.: Why does the west’s media portray Russia as an enemy if you say
Russia has no interest in a conflict?

A.: What Russia is, does and says is really not at issue – Russia is
merely a bit player in a much greater drama. Washington’s obsession with
Russia is about how America sees its place in the world – and that place
is at the center. It must have sway everywhere and all the time. Once
this hegemonic practice faces resistance all resources are marshaled to
assault this “threat.” Because Russia has the resources and will to
resist it is automatically labeled an enemy. All the more so as Russia
conducts its foreign policy based on its defined interests – this course
infuriates Washington’s foreign policy establishment, particularly when
the U.S. goes from one policy failure to another. Someone has to be
blamed! Just read some of the statements coming from Defense Secretary
Ash Carter and State Secretary John Kerry – “if Russia agrees,” if the
Russians only cooperated” etc. Translation: Russia doesn’t do what it is
told. Viewed from Moscow, Washington acts like an addicted and violent
adolescent who can’t accept being told 

Re: MotherJones: My Four Months As A Private Prison Guard

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 07:15:05PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer


This is very long - a book. Here's one quote which comments effectively
on one of the major downsides or "human rights abuses implicit within"
private -for profit- prisons:


"
Three inmates pick up Mason in his sheet and put him on the stretcher.
His hands are crossed over his chest like a mummy as two prisoners wheel
him away.

Within a few hours he is sent back to the tier.
"They told me I got fluid on my lungs and they won't send me to the
hospital."

Days later, I see Mason dragging his feet, his arms around his chest. I
tell him to take my chair. He sits and hunches over, putting his head in
his lap. It feels like a "throbbing pain in my chest," he says. We call
for a wheelchair. "They told me I got fluid on my lungs and they won't
send me to the hospital," he says. "That shit crazy."

A nurse happens to be in the unit, passing out pills. I tell her they
keep sending Mason to the infirmary but won't take him to the hospital.
She insists "nothing serious" is wrong with him.

"When I saw him last week, he was almost passed out," I say. "He was in
a lot of pain."

She looks at me sidelong. "But the doctor still ain't going to send him
to the hospital just 'cause of that."

If he were sent to the hospital, CCA would be contractually obligated to
pay for his stay. For a for-profit company, this presents a dilemma.
Even a short hospital stay is a major expense for an inmate who brings
the company about $34 per day. And that's aside from the cost of having
two guards keep watch over him. Medical care within the prison is
expensive, too. CCA does not disclose its medical expenses, but in a
typical prison, health care costs are the second-biggest expense after
staff. On average, a Louisiana prison puts 9 percent of its budget
toward health care. In some states it can be much higher; health care is
31 percent of a California prison's budget. Nearly 40 percent of Winn
inmates have a chronic disease such as diabetes, heart disease, or
asthma, according to Louisiana's budget office. About 6 percent have a
communicable disease such as HIV or hepatitis C.

IMG: Inmates line up for "pill call."

One day, I meet a man with no legs in a wheelchair. His name is Robert
Scott. (He consented to having his real name used.) He's been at Winn 12
years. "I was walking when I got here," he tells me. "I was walking, had
all my fingers." I notice he is wearing fingerless gloves with nothing
poking out of them. "They took my legs off in January and my fingers in
June. Gangrene don't play. I kept going to the infirmary, saying, 'My
feet hurt. My feet hurt.' They said, 'Ain't nothin' wrong wicha. I don't
see nothin' wrong wicha.' They didn't believe me, or they talk bad to
me—'I can't believe you comin' up here!'"

His medical records show that in the space of four months he made at
least nine requests to see a doctor. He complained of sore spots on his
feet, swelling, oozing pus, and pain so severe he couldn't sleep. When
he visited the infirmary, medical staff offered him sole pads, corn
removal strips, and Motrin. He says he once showed his swollen foot,
dripping with pus, to the warden. On one of these occasions, Scott
alleges in a federal lawsuit against CCA, a nurse told him, "Ain't
nothing wrong with you. If you make another medical emergency you will
receive a disciplinary write-up for malingering." He filed a written
request to be taken to a hospital for a second opinion, but it was
denied.
"

Re: MotherJones: My Four Months As A Private Prison Guard

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 07:15:05PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer

There's some reporting! Thanks for posting..

Re: Revolt Against Tor Over Rape Claims, Process, Board, Etc

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 07:27:48PM -0400, S wrote offlist:
> Doesn't it prove that Tor is awesome when state level entities are
> using Tor for their comms and hiding among the traffic. Not sure how
> that is a bad thing as it shows how good the Tor network is at what it
> does not the other way around. Everyone has their own agendas. Let to
> each their own. 

Tor, as Juan has pointed out so many times, is developed on only so far
as the USA govt can still maintain a GPA ability.

This means that technically, for some things we can "hide amongst the
traffic" but only if our own chosen speech is not objected to by the USA
state. Or, unless our personal op-sec is really really good.

And so Tor network as it stands today is one sided - in favour of the
USA government, at least in respect of certain types of speech which are
very important to a sane world.

In other words, the rot/crap needs to be improved, and the "community
cathartic experience" of the breakdown happening in Tor community and
Tor Inc is a very good thing - because, it is only the really important
free speech which matters in the long term (think survival of the
species etc).

Accepting fundamental compromises to our principles is not the punk way
- at least, it's not my way.

HTH ..

Re: Tor being forked.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:05:07AM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:40:43AM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> > I don't see the point. As Juan so likes to remind us, Tor design is
> > fundamentally flawed, in that it's vulnerable to global adversaries.
> > Which, in practice, means US military. So how would a fork not be
> > vulnerable as well? Instead, why not develop something better?
> 
> Agreed. As I read it, this is not Tor fork, just the browser, right?

Hey it's development - gotta start somewhere :)

Those who want to start from a clean slate - go for it! The more options
the better..

Re: Die Zeit interviews Appelbaum ioerror

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:52:04PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:50:28 -0700
> Razer  wrote:
> > I just want to remind you the Vietnamese whupped us with WWII vintage
> > weapons, tiger traps, and pertinently ... sandals made from the tires
> > of stolen US Jeeps. Tor might be that Jeep.
> 
>   rayzer just keeps going - vomiting propaganda. 

It does come across as "we were the victim", but perhaps was intended as
"here and there, amidst the veritable national crucifixion we (USA)
dished out, those plucky Vietnamese managed to deliver the occasional
successful counter punch, even using scraps from the battlefield (the
bastards), for which we will forever remind them and the world and
anyone who will listen and paint it as Vietnamese military aggression
against the weak US victims".

So yes, propaganda :/

Re: Die Zeit interviews Appelbaum ioerror

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 05:50:28PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> I just want to remind you the Vietnamese whupped us with WWII vintage
> weapons, tiger traps, and pertinently ... sandals made from the tires of
> stolen US Jeeps. Tor might be that Jeep.
> 
> 
> A 'transparent and independently funded' fork of Tor seems to be
> appropriate. To continue the 'war' analogy You don't throw away a weapon
> just because it was made by the enemy but you DO check to see if it's
> boobytrapped and neutralize it before use.

That's a great analogy.

I agree with you.

Re: Die Zeit interviews Appelbaum ioerror

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 07:35:53AM -0700, Juan's Tor Sock Puppet wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/18/2016 10:15 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
> > existing CIA funded "tor" network
> 
> Can you actually provide documentation the CIA funds the network itself
> en toto as opposed to, lets say, operating entrance and exit nodes?
> 
> Rr

Kudos for your nick- belly laugh on that one :)

I think you're splitting hairs.

Whether it's the DOD or the CIA, some black budget line items, "third
party" "arms length" (but CIA backed) financial contributors, or indeed
perhaps that's why the lead Tor devs get $100K+ salaries - may be off
the books, they're obliged to spend $30K of that on dir auths, exit
nodes, whatever, or any combination of the above,

it's splitting hairs.

The primary funder on the books, from memory, is the DOD.

The primary beneficiary are the CIA crooks who run around the world
attempting to overthrow governments around the world. They get to have a
very fancy and very functional overlay "free speech" network to assist
them with their dirty deeds.

Feel free to split hairs though - that only feeds the genuine concern.

Re: [tor-talk-ow...@lists.torproject.org: Your message to tor-talk awaits moderator approval]

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:21:57AM -0400, John wrote:
> >https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/confirm/tor-talk/9f11153f5ef438d29e310d8831f6e61a164fe1a6
> 
> This whole thing is hilarious... (And depressing!!)
> 
> I wouldn't send the actual private mailman link to the whole list tho... Any 
> lurker can now cancel your post. 

Well, either someone cancelled it, or it got cancelled by the
moderators.

Either way, it's a sign of the state of the "community".

My other two emails (there were three next to each other) got cancelled/
banned as well and as far as I am concerned they were more benign, so
evidently what I have to say is no longer welcome to be said on the
tor-talk mailing list.

Re: [tor-talk] Revolt Against Tor Over Rape Claims, Process, Board, Etc

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 08:07:17PM +0200, Sebastian G.  wrote:
> At first I didn't not think the intro would make any sense in regard to
> all this here, but maybe it does.

Aye.

> BTW, a revolt would make more noise, wouldn't it?

Sure, as long as you can get your call to arms past the censors.

The war is on folks - time to play hard.

The seats of power are usually claimed by those with desire for power,
rather than those with desire to live their lives in creativity,
humility and righteousness.

As a consequence, in Tor Inc as well as any other corporation and
demoncratic governments around the world, sociopathic individuals
predominate.

And we wonder why the world is "going to shit"?

Time to participate folks. Every one.

   Play your best moves.

   Do your best.

   Be your best.

May righteousness be in your heart,
Zenaan

Re: [tor-talk] Revolt Against Tor Over Rape Claims, Process, Board, Etc

[Zenaan Harkness]

ny - none of you (employees of Tor Inc) are held by us in
the Tor community as "normal" employees or "regular" folks - we have
been, are, and shall continue to hold you to a higher standard than we
hold "normal" capitalist 'pigs' to.

That also means you suffer a far greater disgrace, and far more
publicly, than most other normal people ever would suffer.

And this is simply how it is - it is not something you have any control
over. It is we, the Tor community, who choose how to hold our so called
and purported (even though self elected) "leaders".


You have no choice in the standard we hold you to.


You have no choice in the consequences in our minds and in our hearts
when you fall from the grace we previously assumed you to be in.


You have absolutely no choice in the long term default consequences in
our respective consciousnesses, each of us individually, of how we hold
each and every one of you in the face of your words, your actions, and
your non-actions.


And take good notice - it is perhaps most often your non-actions, which
demonstrate your tacit support for evils done, which have the greatest
consequences in our consciousness.


Meet our (!!) standard and you shall stand as heroes.


Fail to meet our standard and you and your purported principles shall
forever be "the ones who fell from grace, disgraced themselves and
disgraced the community, spitting on the very principles we all held to
be sacred and inviolable".


   Your time is close to running out.


Your sincerely,
With absolute, unequivocal, and unshakable conviction,
Zenaan Harkness,
Victoria, Australia

Re: Die Zeit interviews Appelbaum ioerror

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:30:26AM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:58:07 -0400
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> > https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/4ydwhk/a_vote_of_no_confidence_in_shari_steele_a/
> 
> 
>   submitted 8 hours ago by jrandomoperator
> 
>   [removed] 
> 
> 
>   Removed. Shouldn't americunts just give up? 

:D

Gold.

Re: Die Zeit interviews Appelbaum ioerror

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:58:07PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2016-August/000669.html
> stderr at riseup.net stderr at riseup.net
> Thu Aug 18 19:53:00 UTC 2016
> A Vote of No Confidence in Shari Steele: A Proposal For A Tor Relay
> Operator Strike.
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/4ydwhk/a_vote_of_no_confidence_in_shari_steele_a/

Great to see :D - well done whoever kicked that off.


> "This is neither an endorsement of Jacob Appelbaum nor an endorsement of 
> the accusations against him. At this point the Tor Project’s conduct is 
> so reprehensible, that it doesn’t matter who is in the right — the 
> leadership needs to go."

And how!


> https://www.oneeyedman.net/?p=2589
> Posted on August 18, 2016 by dwrob
> Tor Boycott Would Be Inappropriate

I can hear it now, "Vote 1 grarpamp, for Tor carnt leader"


> https://twitter.com/jmprcx/status/766324296625053696
> I started a non-SJW fork of the #tor browser. Binaries coming soon!
> https://github.com/joshuayabut/tor-browser-bundle

Reproducible builds should be near the top of the list of course.

Perhaps a dicsussion on Tor Inc, it's funding, and alternatives is in
order?

It's all very well to create a TBB fork, but it would still rely on the
existing CIA funded "tor" network.

Perhaps seek grants from Russia's FSB, China's MSS, AND the USA's CIA?

"For a --balanced-- spy^Wfree speech network." perhaps? Gotta sell it
somehow...

[JUSTICE] The Netherlands to close more prisons: Here’s what Australia could learn.

[Zenaan Harkness]

An example worth highlighting, at least compared to the USA and
Australian "justice" systems.


- Forwarded message from Jim  -

The Netherlands to close more prisons: Here’s what Australia could learn

news.com.au
Debra Killalea  
August 3, 2016



Dutch Prison System: How it works


THE days are filled playing sport, reading, and practising new skills.
There is learning, course work and open communication with support
networks is strongly encouraged.

This may sound like a great place to learn, but this isn’t a university
or school campus.

It’s a prison and this is how the Dutch teach its offenders to keep out
of trouble.

It may sound like a soft touch but with talk of closing prisons, the
Dutch believe they have a lesson to teach the world when it comes to
rehabilitation.

While some countries struggle with overcrowding in prisons and crime,
the Netherlands intends to close its jails.

In March, the Dutch government revealed it had too many empty cells and
not enough prisoners to fill them.

It announced it was strongly considering closing five prisons, on top of
the 19 they already shut down last year because the national crime rate
continues to fall.

Justice Minister Ard van der Steur told parliament that not only were
judges imposing shorter sentences but criminals were spending less time
in jail.

He also claimed less serious crime was being reported according to The
Telegraaf.

The Dienst Justitiële Inrichtingen (DJI) Custodial Institutions Agency,
which carries out the sentences, reveals more than 13,000 detainees are
held in the country’s prison system.

This cost the government an estimated 2 billion euro a year.

In an effort to reduce that cost, DIJ treat those undertaking prison
sentences a little differently and focus on rehabilitation rather than
punishment.

According to a video produced last year by DJI, the philosophy behind
their work involves reversing criminal behaviour and therefore reducing
the risk of reoffending.


It may look like a university dorm, but this is how prisoners live in
the Netherlands. Picture: Youtube/DJI Source:YouTube

This involves an intense program of education, skill sharing and
undertaking courses which will better serve detainees once they are
released.

Detainees also have access to an intensive support network once they are
back in the community.

Juveniles undergo more intensive programs with counselling, education
and parental support all crucial to ensuring as many of the 1600
youngsters in detention remain trouble free.

The crime rate in the Netherlands has decreased by an average of 0.9 per
cent in recent years, Sputnik News reported.

Just like the German system, the focus in the Netherlands is keeping
inmates engaged. Some even have the option of spending weekends at home.

Dutch prisons are full of social workers, mental health professionals
and lawyers.

A 2013 VIJ report revealed the emphasis is on “therapeutic culture” for
enabling inmates to return successfully to society.

In Germany, prison workers receive two years training before being
placed in the system in Germany compared to five weeks in the US state
of Colorado,Next Cityreported.

In both Germany and the Netherlands less than one in 10 convicted
criminal offenders are sent to prison compared to 70 per cent in the US.

AUSTRALIAN PERSPECTIVE

Managing senior lawyer Jimmy Singh told news.com.au he believed we had a
lot to learn from the European approach.

Mr Singh, from Sydney Criminal Lawyers, said Australia had high
recidivism rates and the focus was on locking up offenders rather than
keeping them out of the system.

“NSW has some of the highest recidivism rates in Australia,” he said.

“In NSW 48 per cent of inmates returned to prison within two years.”

Mr Singh said he believed the Dutch and Swedes had it right when it came
to focusing on rehabilitation as recidivism rates were among the lowest
the world.


These cells are not what most of us imagine prison to look like.
Picture: Youtube/DJI Source:YouTube

“Dr Don Weatherburn from the Australian Bureau of Crime Statistics even
said between 2015-16 there was a 12 per cent increase in the prison
population,” he said.

“In Europe the emphasis is on diversion and rehabilitation, here it is
on punishment. I think the Europeans have definitely got it right.

“The statistics speak for themselves.”

He said he believed our tough bail laws and the scrapping of diversion
programs such as the Court Referral of Eligible Defendants Into
Treatment (CREDIT) was partly to blame.

He said sending people to jail didn’t always work especially when a
first-time offender was imprisoned with inmates serving time for much
more serious offences and mental health issues were not addressed.

Writing on the Sydney Criminal lawyers blog, Lawyer and Principal Ugur
Nedim said the Dutch model was so successful even Norway was sending
some of its prisoners there to fill the cells.

He pointed to falling crime rates 

Re: US election: both candidates are shit, system broken

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 03:54:39AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> https://theintercept.com/2016/08/16/hillary-clinton-picks-tpp-and-fracking-advocate-to-set-up-her-white-house/
> 
> Clinton for TPP and Fracking in the White House.

Hitlery Clinton, environmental saviour!

Heil Hitlery CluckTonOfEvil, saving the small business owner!

Shitlery Clackery, warming our collective oligarchical hearts.

Hillary "fuck the EU" Clinton sends a "high five" to the EU middle class
and small business owners across the globe!

High4rseolery Clickbait "we came, we saw, he died"
Hillary Qaddafi killer Clinton wants peace and friendship between
peoples, sovereignty and mutual respect between nations, the will of the
people and the supreme sovereignty of the people to effectively rule in
dignity, gentle purpose and constructive and healing ends.

Or something..

Re: TOR Project: Still coming unwrapped

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 01:39:05AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Holy F Society, the TOR Project just came unwrapped.  MORE.  This
> essay keeps getting more outrageous, without losing credibility, until
> it turns a corner that "network security" people could easily
> attribute to hostile tradecraft.
> 
> https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor


"Tor is planning on having a "Community truth and reconciliation" moment
at the Seattle Meeting."
(Note: After expelling people without warning, unilaterally exercising
judge and jury power - by the accusers themselves, no genuine reach out
to "community" that the public can discern, and demonstrating plenty of
other ills and evils along the way (hypocrisy, lies, refusal to recant
lies, lack of display of any empathy, no genuine interest in any
potential "rape victims" of the alleged accused (Jacob Applebaum), etc,
etc.

Day by day, the picture becomes unmistakably clear:

Shari, Alison and Isis are evident sociopaths, feeding off the USA
government three letter agencies/ TLAs, in particular the CIA, and
abusing the community, abusing any righteous judicial or reconciliation
process, and doing all this entirely publicly.

Dingledine and Mathewson and any other behind the scenes "head honchos"
are evidently supporting the evident sociopathic behaviour.

Tor Inc has become, quite clearly, a microcosm of the behaviour of the
USA/ North Atlantic war machine system - sociopathicly feeding off the
rest of the world, which it abuses publicly and with impunity (at least
for now...)

The bunt hunt continues..

Re: Equation Group - Cyber Weapons Auction

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:17:09AM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 12:11:11AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> > http://pastebin.com/NDTU5kJQ
> 
> The auction live on air:
> https://blockchain.info/address/19BY2XCgbDe6WtTVbTyzM9eR3LYr6VitWK
> So far a total of 1.723... bitcoins in 26 transactions.
> Someone claimed that raising a million is extremely unrealistic, since
> currently there are only about 16M bitcoins, a lot of them locked by
> early adopters (the constants might be wrong).
> 
> This auction is similar to crowdfunding "fuck the NSA"
> experiment.
> Or even the cyber version of AP.
> (Assuming it is not scam).

:D

Either way, fun to watch :)

Re: TOR Project: Still coming unwrapped

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 01:39:05AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Holy F Society, the TOR Project just came unwrapped.  MORE.  This
> essay keeps getting more outrageous, without losing credibility, until
> it turns a corner that "network security" people could easily
> attribute to hostile tradecraft.
> 
> https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor

Juan, Juan, Juan! This is a firetrucking joke, that just keeps getting
worserer and worserer!!

Can we blame you Juan? "If you had not have been so public, so bold and
so relentless about the truth of the Tor Inc and retro-pistoning of the
USA gov TLAs via Tor, perhaps we would still be able to continue in
ignorance and this mess would have stayed behind closed doors?"

How could you Juan? How could you be so right? Speaking the -truth- is
what has destroyed this community, surely not the rear-end-reciprocation
of the Tor bots (god how depressing is that phrase now) ???

It's just not fair...

Rising carbon dioxide is greening the Earth - but it's not all good news

[Zenaan Harkness]

Thought someone posted a link like this back in the April thread - could
not find that, so posting here.

Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is a genuinely good thing.


CO2 is making Earth greener—for now
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/

If you squint a bit and read a little too quickly, the caption on
the image reads "This image shows the change in leaf across the globe
from 1982-2015." which bodes really well for peace pipes around the
world.

And please, read carefully the last paragraph - even scientists know
their "scientific models" are flawed and always "being improved" (aka,
changing, since the previous iteration was wrong). At least some of them
acknowledge this fact.


CO2 fertilization greening the Earth
http://phys.org/news/2016-04-co2-fertilization-greening-earth.html

Global Warming Produced a Greener, More Fruitful Planet
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/global-warming-produced-greener-more-fruitful-planet

Rise in CO2 has 'greened Planet Earth'
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346

Rising carbon dioxide is greening the Earth - but it’s not all good news
http://theconversation.com/rising-carbon-dioxide-is-greening-the-earth-but-its-not-all-good-news-58282

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdZ9t4Y5hQ
> 
> Would you explain what is this? I avoid videos.

chaotic magnet demonstration

Re: Hedge fund manager profited from death arbitrage.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:42:15AM +0200, rysiek wrote:
> Dnia środa, 17 sierpnia 2016 14:01:02 CEST Zenaan Harkness pisze:
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:07:59PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> > > On 08/16/2016 12:09 PM, jim bell wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > AP ('Assassination Politics';  https://cryptome.org/ap.htm  ) can
> > > > be considered to be 'death arbitrage' with a few key differences:
> > > > The person who will die isn't part of the agreement, and doesn't
> > > > profit when the initial deal is struck, nor later.
> > > 
> > > Ah, but someone with a huge bet on their death could commit suicide, and
> > > so their estate would profit. Or is that against AP rules?
> > 
> > "The rules" are the rules formed in the respective contracts, presumably
> > - how could it be any other way?
> > 
> > Therefore unsuccessful or "gamed" contracts would be the fodder of
> > lessons learnt for future contracts in the competitive market for
> > assassination contracts, which is that which AP presupposes...
> 
> Yeah, because that approach worked so well for The DAO. :)

I like comedy as much as you, but a joke does not take away from the
principle of a competitive market for systems, over the long term. The
DAO was not a single contract, nor a series of contracts. It was "a
contract in a competitive market for contracts" in the sense that it was
"a decentralised investment fund/ market maker" in the market for
"decentralized investment funds/ market makers".

But I assume you knew that..

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:34:18AM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:24:56 +0300
> Georgi Guninski <gunin...@guninski.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:01:06PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > > I see the climate changes in my lifetime so it is "fact" for me.
> > > 
> > > I see no one disputing climate change. Quite the contrary.
> > >
> > 
> > Don't follow climate statistics (some may say numerology), but natural
> > climate change should be _very slow_ 
> 
> 
>   Why? 
> 
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdZ9t4Y5hQ

:D  Perfect! Thanks..

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:24:56AM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:01:06PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > I see the climate changes in my lifetime so it is "fact" for me.
> > 
> > I see no one disputing climate change. Quite the contrary.
> >
> 
> Don't follow climate statistics (some may say numerology), but natural
> climate change should be _very slow_ IMHO and not detectable in a single
> lifetime at all, except at the border of something big.

I disagree - it's a chaotic system, chaotic as in fractal chaos theory
chaotic, meaning that a small change in one spot can cause a big change
elsewhere, butterfly effect and all that.

So we see whole ocean flows change in a period of 3 years or less, and
the consequence being England goes from quite balmy to ice and snow all
year round, and vice versa.

And, in one person's lifetime.

Long term global weather is a chaotic system.

Long term global anthropogenic temperature effects are currently most
politely described as "scientific theory" - and frankly that's a bit
generous - humans being human and all, mathematical models "attempting
to prove weather science" are not exactly solid beyond a few weeks.

But hey, I'm just a conspiracy theorist, don't mind me :)

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:46:01AM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 01:55:24PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
> > I disagree, vehemently.  Global warming is not a red herring.
> > Permafrost is melting, oceans are rising and acidifying, and the
> > future for big coastal cities is looking very bleak indeed.  There
> > is a scientific consensus on this issue.
> > 
> > But yes of course pollution does suck ass...
> >
> 
> There was a thread about this in April 2016:
> "Do you notice significant persistent change in climate?".
> 
> I see the climate changes in my lifetime so it is "fact" for me.

I see no one disputing climate change. Quite the contrary.


> Likely someone profits from this, but someone will try to profit from
> the destruction of Earth too.

Indeed.

Re: Hedge fund manager profited from death arbitrage.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:07:59PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/16/2016 12:09 PM, jim bell wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > AP ('Assassination Politics';  https://cryptome.org/ap.htm  ) can
> > be considered to be 'death arbitrage' with a few key differences:
> > The person who will die isn't part of the agreement, and doesn't
> > profit when the initial deal is struck, nor later.
> 
> Ah, but someone with a huge bet on their death could commit suicide, and
> so their estate would profit. Or is that against AP rules?

"The rules" are the rules formed in the respective contracts, presumably
- how could it be any other way?

Therefore unsuccessful or "gamed" contracts would be the fodder of
lessons learnt for future contracts in the competitive market for
assassination contracts, which is that which AP presupposes...

Re: [WAR] A brief bit of Hillary history.

[Zenaan Harkness]

> >Dang Global Scientific Marketers just can't decide which terms to even
> >use - that sure gave me confidence in their certinty!
> 
> Har har! Dang ol science it must be a CONSPIRACY yeah that's it!! What
> has science ever done anyway?
> 
> Fucking ridiculous.

When we cling to certainties (even "facts" mind you) is it that we
express an attachment which may be causing us to not see something?

How about when we react in an emotional way, to quotes from history's
"great minds", rather than respectfully deconstruct the fundamental
problem which we assert is hidden in that historical quote, or that
definition (e.g. a definition of the word 'science')?

Is a call to non-emotionally consider what is being said, in the
precision of the words being used, a rational, hey even possibly
'scientific' call to the listener/reader?

Could it be that those challenging a dearly held assertion, do so not
from any contrariness, not from any obtuse stubbornness nor even
belligerance, but from a heartfelt desire to seek 'the truth' and to
discover the true facts behind an assertion made by another?

Can we truly say we are engaging in conversation when we presume
stupidity on the part of another, when they ask explicitly or implicitly
for "more data, please"?

Could it be that those asking for "more data" have spent considerable
genuine personal time and energy searching for said data facts in
support of said assertions and "scientific theory parading itself as
scientific fact" and are at the point of frustration and "well, I've
looked, could not find, so bloody well put up or shut up already"???

Is there any possibility that our personal programming be our Western
schooling system is so ingrained, so deep, that parts of it are simply
unseen by our not so humble selves?

And could it be that such deep programming is in fact used by wealthy
oligarchs around the world who meet behind closed doors to discuss and
execute intentions to spin certain stories based on "the glory, power
and untouchable truth of 'science'" to their personal and
group/corporate economic benefit?

And would it be reasonable to say then when such oligarchs have such
meetings and execute such intentions, that they have "conspired"
together to improve their profits and control in the world?

Could the fruits of such endless closed door conspirings be the reason
the "conspiracy theorist" had to be demonised, socially shunned and
turned into the politically incorrect pariah?

Re: [WAR] A brief bit of Hillary history.

[Zenaan Harkness]

> >Dang Global Scientific Marketers just can't decide which terms to even
> >use - that sure gave me confidence in their certinty!
> 
> Har har! Dang ol science it must be a CONSPIRACY yeah that's it!! What
> has science ever done anyway?
> 
> Fucking ridiculous.

Assertion != fact.

Scientific theory != fact.

Even, solid mathematical model != fact.

"Science" as some of us prefer to use the term, is where facts, actual
measurable testable facts, are determinable by testing and verifiable by
someone else running the same test and making the same measurement,
resulting in taking/ measuring the same value (same result), thus
verifying said fact as a fact, a value, a measurement, and more than
merely assumption arising from some scientific theory.

Perhaps someone else can try to explain this in a clearer way? Perhaps
it's a difficult thing to express clearly in English..

Re: [WAR] A brief bit of Hillary history.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 06:26:39PM +, jim bell wrote:
>  From: John Newman 
> >I disagree, vehemently.  Global warming is not a red herring.
> > Permafrost is melting, oceans are rising and acidifying, and the
> >future for big >coastal cities is looking very bleak indeed.  There
> >is a scientific consensus on this issue.
> 
> I don't see how there can be "scientific consensus" unless there are
> accurate computer models which show how up climate temperature
> increases as a product of addition of CO2 to the atmosphere.  Both
> qualitatively and quantitatively.  How much do these problems
> represent?
>
> From Lord Kelvin:
>
> “When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in
> numbers, you know something about it, when you cannot express it in
> numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may
> be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarely, in your thoughts
> advanced to the stage of science.”
> http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/166961-when-you-can-measure-what-you-are-speaking-about-and
> 
> There is also the prospect of adding SO2 to the high atmosphere to
> counteract heating, which could be a very cheap solution.
>             Jim Bell

THANK you!!

"Global warming" gets bandied around as though it is "scientific" or
even more ridiculously "accepted science".

And another thing !!  it was always
called Global Warming, except then it got called Global Anthropogenic
Temperature Changes, except then it got called Global Climate Change,
except before in the 60s or 70s (dang, I can't remember which) it was
called Global Cooling - front page Time Magazine articles an all. Take
THAT yung whipperyschapperies!

Dang Global Scientific Marketers just can't decide which terms to even
use - that sure gave me confidence in their certinty!

Re: Hedge fund manager profited from death arbitrage.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 06:09:23PM +, jim bell wrote:
> https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-16/hedge-fund-manager-profited-from-death-arbitrage
> 

SEE that email quoting symbol above - the ">"?!! Yes I thought you could
- ther'es a dang space after it! That's just, terrible. This is
gotta stop!

> "A vital function of the financial system is to shift risk, but that
> is mostly a euphemism. Finance can't make risks go away, or even
> really move them all that much. When the financial system shifts the
> risk of X happening from Y to Z, all that means is that Z gives
> Y money if X happens. If X was going to happen to Y, it's still going
> to happen to Y. But now Y gets money. Death is a central fact of human
> existence, the fundamental datum that gives meaning to life, but it is
> also a risk -- you never know when it will happen! -- and so the
> financial industry has figured out ways to shift it.

You know, it might be really funny if in fact all the IMF's SDRs
(special drawing rights - i.e. sanctioned right to print money, even
without any loan-promise-to-repay backing those fiats) were really
backed by birth certificates, and some portion closed off each month
with corresponding death certificates.

Could explain why demoncratic governments are so hell bent on
ever more intense cotton-wool-society statutes? (a few years back, we
had someone in Victoria, Australia, booked for speeding at 61km/hr in a
60km/hr zone - don't recall if they won their court case or not - it IS
an absolute offense after all).


Nah! They would never arbitrage all human lives explicitly against
fiat dollar printing rights - that would be like, like, like a
conspiracy or something.

Re: software - multiple version installs (any distro developers here?)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:48:42PM -0400, John wrote:
> Might take a look at homebrew on OSX ... it's similar to your idea ,
> everything is installed into its own little packaged directory and
> then symlinked back to /usr/local/{bin,sbin}/

Good, so someone's tried it.


> It beats macports and fink all to fuck.

An encouraging data point. In your experience, why is it
such a better FHS layout?