Re: Swedish Prosecutors Have Dropped The Julian Assange Rape Investigation

[oshwm]

On 19 May 2017 19:45:06 BST, juan  wrote:
>On Fri, 19 May 2017 09:23:20 -0300
>Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
>
>> #
>>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/world/europe/julian-assange-sweden-rape.html
>> 
>
>   Interesting. Now the nazi swedish government, a bunch of
>   lackeys/accomplices of the US nazis, looks slightly less bad. 
>
>   Good for Assange I guess. 
>
>
>
>   

So now that he's no longer being prosecuted by the Swedes, he's available for 
extradition to the US - wonder if that Grand Jury has recently finished putting 
its case together?

Re: "All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years..."

[oshwm]

On 17 May 2017 22:45:11 BST, juan  wrote:
>On Wed, 17 May 2017 14:35:53 -0700
>Steven Schear  wrote:
>
>> Quite likely self-driving cars will be a red herring to massively
>> chip away at personal liberties.
>
>
>   of course. People would be 'free' to move along whatever route
>   google 'chooses' for them,

More importantly is the easy way for governments to identify those subversive 
types who like to challenge the supremacy of the corporation sponsored state by 
driving their own cars.

Re: "All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years..."

[oshwm]

On 17 May 2017 21:50:36 BST, juan <juan@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 May 2017 14:25:10 -0400
>John Newman <j...@synfin.org> wrote:
>
>
>> 
>> Stanford University economist
>
>   so an 'economist' (LMAO) from the 'intellectual' core of
>   american 'progressive' fascism ('ivy league' universities) is
>   making a completely laughable prediction about...engineering? 
>
>   wow, stanford 'economists' seem almost as omniscient as jesus =)
>
>   Oh, and like a good progressive american he's fully convinced
>   that the whole world will be subjected to his 'utopia'
>
>   "petrol carsno longer  sold anywhere in the world"
>
>   and 
>
>   "Cities will ban human drivers" 
>
>   Yeah! Land of the free and home of the brave! 
>
>
>   So what is this apart from crass propaganda? Sorry John, don't
>   take it personally. 
>
>   
>
>> Tony Seba forecasts in his new report
>> that petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will no longer be sold
>> anywhere in the world within the next eight years. As a result, the
>> transportation market will transition and switch entirely to
>> electrification, "leading to a collapse of oil prices and the demise
>> of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century," reports
>> Financial Post. From the report:
>> Seba's premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will
>> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten
>> times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero
>> marginal cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1 million miles.
>> Only nostalgics will cling to the old habit of car ownership. The
>> rest will adapt to vehicles on demand. It will become harder to find
>> a petrol station, spares, or anybody to fix the 2,000 moving parts
>> that bedevil the internal combustion engine. Dealers will disappear
>> by 2024. Cities will ban human drivers once the data confirms how
>> dangerous they can be behind a wheel. This will spread to suburbs,
>> and then beyond. There will be a "mass stranding of existing
>> vehicles." The value of second-hard cars will plunge. You will have
>> to pay to dispose of your old vehicle. It is a twin "death spiral"
>> for big oil and big autos, with ugly implications for some big
>> companies on the London Stock Exchange unless they adapt in time. The
>> long-term price of crude will fall to $25 a barrel. Most forms of
>> shale and deep-water drilling will no longer be viable. Assets will
>> be stranded. Scotland will forfeit any North Sea bonanza. Russia,
>> Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Venezuela will be in trouble.
>> 

Personally I could believe that, in the UK at least, given 5-10 years that EVs 
will be sold in significant numbers and occupying the place in car sales that 
diesels currently occupy with total sales dominance over all car sales in about 
20 years.
Self-Drivers will grow to share a significant amount of market share in that 20 
year timescale.

Of course, I have no qualifications to back up my guesswork so we'll have to 
wait 20 years to see if my guesswork beats Ivy League economists guesswork lol.

cheers,
oshwm.

Re: http://systemd-free.org/

[oshwm]

On 16 April 2017 02:10:20 BST, juan  wrote:
>
>
>   I guess we have systemd courtesy of some TLA

Try devuan (Debian fork without systemd)...


http://devuanzuwu3xoqwp.onion  (or devuan.org if not want to use tor)

Re: CONFESS! Programmers Are Confessing Their Coding Sins!

[oshwm]

On 2 March 2017 07:22:48 GMT+00:00, "James A. Donald" <jam...@echeque.com> 
wrote:
>On 3/2/2017 5:11 PM, oshwm wrote:
>> I'd take someone with good imagination who has to look up fine
> > details over someone who has a photographic memory and no
> > imagination any day.
>
>These are not tests of rote memorization.  Someone who passes them by 
>rote memorization is cheating.  These are tests of ability to write a 
>simple program.
>
>You ask someone to write a bubble sort, not because anyone ever needs a
>
>bubble sort, but because the program you actually need someone to write
>
>cannot be looked up on the internet.

Then what is the use of asking someone to write a bubble sort (which has been 
written a million times) - surely you should pick something that hasn't been 
written before?

Re: CONFESS! Programmers Are Confessing Their Coding Sins!

[oshwm]

On 2 March 2017 04:22:34 GMT+00:00, "James A. Donald"  
wrote:
>On 3/2/2017 1:00 PM, Razer wrote:
>>> A number of programmers have taken it Twitter to bring it to
>>> everyone's, but particularly recruiter's, attention about the
>grueling
>>> interview process in their field that relies heavily on technical
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> David Heinemeier Hansson, a well-known programmer and the creator of
>>> the popular Ruby on Rails coding framework, started it when he
>>> tweeted, "Hello, my name is David. I would fail to write bubble sort
>>> on a whiteboard. I look code up on the internet all the time. I
>don't
>>> do riddles." Another coder added, "Hello, my name is Tim. I'm a lead
>>> at Google with over 30 years coding experience and I need to look up
>>> how to get length of a python string." Another coder chimed in,
>"Hello
>>> my name is Mike, I'm a GDE and lead at NY Times, I don't know what
>np
>>> complete means. Should I?"
>>>
>>> A feature story on The Outline adds:
>>>
 This interview style, widely used by major tech companies including
 Google and Amazon, typically pits candidates against a whiteboard
 without access to reference material -- a scenario working
 programmers say is demoralizing and an unrealistic test of actual
 ability. People spend weeks preparing for this process, afraid that
 the interviewer will quiz them on the one obscure algorithm they
 haven't studied. "

>>> A cottage industry has emerged that reminds us uncomfortably of SAT
>>> prep," Karla Monterroso, VP of programs for Code2040, an
>organization
>>> for black and Latino techies, wrote in a critique of the whiteboard
>>> interview. [...] This means companies tend to favor recent computer
>>> science grads from top-tier schools who have had time to cram; in
>>> other words, it doesn't help diversify the field with women, older
>>> people, and people of color.
>>>
>>
>> With links:
>>
>https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/03/01/1643251/programmers-are-confessing-their-coding-sins-to-protest-a-broken-job-interview-process
>
>
>I have not studied any of these things since forever and a day, but I 
>can still pass all of them, and anyone who cannot, should not be hired.
>
>I think the last time I read what a bubble sort was, or had to think 
>about a bubble sort, was when I read Knuth, more decades ago than I
>care 
>to admit, and yet I can do a bubble sort off the top of my head on a 
>whiteboard.
>
>If companies have a lot of people who could not pass these tests, or 
>could not pass them without cramming, they should fire a lot of people.

I'd take someone with good imagination who has to look up fine details over 
someone who has a photographic memory and no imagination any day.

Time to put aside the excuses...

[oshwm]

Openfab cometh?

https://hackaday.com/2017/02/25/the-fab-lab-next-door-diy-semiconductors/

Re: Is email really that hard?

[oshwm]

On 22 February 2017 08:34:43 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl  wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 01:54:34AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
>> In addition to not putting retarded spaces in links
>> which does nothing useful, you can also learn to
>> preserve threading on replies, which is actually useful.
>> Top posting, bulk quoting, html, shortlink svcs... all bad.
>> wtfppl.
>
>Who is the list owner these days? If we do not get moderation going I'm
>out of here.

Bye then :)

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[oshwm]

On 14 February 2017 18:16:03 GMT+00:00, Razer  wrote:
>
>
>On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> what do you think a ‘cypher’ is, shill?
>>
>
>It was one of Tim May's interests. What do you think PUNKS means,
>troll?
>
>It means you should get lost if you don't like the way this UNMODERATED
>list reads.
>
>Rr

I can only offer a +1 :)

Re: Indiana bill would allow police to shut down protests 'by any means necessary'

[oshwm]

On 28 January 2017 01:50:31 GMT+00:00, booty <fapsp...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 27 2017 00:43:51 -0000
>> "oshwm"  wrote:
>>
>> Thats because ur a cunt.
>
>No, it's because he a libertarian, like the great philosopher Jimothy
>Bell

No, he's a selfish cunt.

Re: Indiana bill would allow police to shut down protests 'by any means necessary'

[oshwm]

On 27 January 2017 07:59:03 GMT+00:00, "James A. Donald"  
wrote:
>On 1/21/2017 11:17 PM, Pinoaffe wrote:
>>> "Indiana bill would allow police to shut down protests 'by any means
>> necessary'"
>
>Fake News.
>
>
>>
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/18/indiana-protest-bill-police-power
>
>Does not shut down protests, it says police cannot help protesters
>block 
>traffic.
>
>What I would like is a bill that says that when protesters block 
>traffic, police should vanish from sight and let drivers drive over the
>
>bastards.

Thats because ur a cunt.

Re: Schneier on Russian Hacking - deconstructed

[oshwm]

On 18 January 2017 15:15:51 GMT+00:00, Razer  wrote:
>
>
>On 01/17/2017 10:36 PM, Mirimir wrote:
>>
>> It does seem that he's sold out. First, Tor Project. Now, this.
>>
>> Sad, indeed :(
>
>It's a paycheck...
>
>Also William Arkin, who wrote the rather cutting edge "Early Warning"
>('Codenames, Spooks 'n Spies') for the Washington Post a decade or so
>ago. Borged by 'the narrative' and the desire not to be sleeping in
>doorways and blogging from cofeeshops until chased off for lack of a
>purchase.
>
>Here' a little nostalgia from a July 2010 Cabale News Service post I
>found while searching my bloggings for "William Arkin".  Not sure if
>the
>links are functional, but Arkin, and certainly not Dana Priest, are NOT
>this brash anymore abut the totalitarian state apparatus
>.
>> *The Senate is also getting to work on* the nomination of General
>> Clapper
>>
>
>> for Director of National Intelligence even as the Washington Post
>goes
>> into great detail about the problems with privatized outsourcing of
>> intelligence... as reported on Monday
>> , "The Washington Post's
>> Dana Priest and William M. Arkin more than indirectly claim the US
>> created a huge increase in America's counter-intelligence budget and
>> it's data input since 9/11 and it seems much of it was outsourced to
>> private contractors who don't 'play well' with others, leading to a
>> situation where no one knows what's going on due to lack of
>> cross-company communication, etc. Associated Press on the WaPo
>> revelations
>>
>.
>> The US government IS NOT happy
>>
>
>> I repeat IS NOT happy
>>
>,
>> about the journalistic intrusion into their privatized 'spookworld'
>> (Wapo reporter William Arkin's specialty)."
>http://razedbywolves.blogspot.com/search?q=william+arkin
>
>Rr

Everyone has been bought, by the time you realise that your favourite anti-hero 
has turned then you are already several years too late.

Re: Call for Cypherpunks historians

[oshwm]

On 5 January 2017 19:26:59 GMT+00:00, MARK GORE  wrote:
>Maybe Satoshi N is reading list as he released white paper here. _Mg
>
>Communicator...
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:47, Bruce Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm working on a book about blockchain tech and one chapter covers
>some of the earlier discussions which originated from this list.
>> 
>> Anyone who'd be willing to be interviewed on 1) the earlier days of
>this list 2) thoughts on blockchain tech, Bitcoin and overlap between
>that tech and Cypherpunks -- your help would be appreciated 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Bruce Fenton 

He (or she) would be an idiot to respond tho :)

Re: Intro/Projects

[oshwm]

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On 6 December 2016 14:43:09 GMT, Charles Fox  wrote:
>I agree Windows would be the weak link, but I think it is easier to
>persuade someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux.
>
>
>
>
>Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
>
>
> Original Message 
>Subject: Re: Intro/Projects
>Local Time: December 5, 2016 11:17 PM
>UTC Time: December 6, 2016 7:17 AM
>From: os...@openmailbox.org
>To: Elle Phent ,
>cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
>
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>On 6 December 2016 07:08:44 GMT, Elle Phent 
>wrote:
>>> Charles Fox:
>>> I'm not an anarchist
>>
>>This isn't anarchist list
>>
>>This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
>>
>>> please forgive me.
>>
>>Only Jebus can forgive you
>
>I must be on the wrong list then, i am not Christian, conservative or
>pro any nation :D
>
>obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions.
>
>If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256,
>any better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't
>designed or influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your
>information private.
>
>Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is
>sufficiently important then it will get painful :)
>
>In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see
>Windows as the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10.
>
>Cheers.
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But you're happy to convince them to install python as well as the stuff you've 
created for them? :)
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Re: Intro/Projects

[oshwm]

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On 6 December 2016 07:08:44 GMT, Elle Phent  wrote:
>> Charles Fox:
>> I'm not an anarchist
>
>This isn't anarchist list
>
>This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
>
>> please forgive me.
>
>Only Jebus can forgive you

I must be on the wrong list then, i am not Christian, conservative or pro any 
nation :D

obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions.

If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256, any 
better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't designed or 
influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your information private.

Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is 
sufficiently important then it will get painful :)

In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see Windows as 
the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10.

Cheers.
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Re: Are there crypto discussions on this forum

[oshwm]

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Or you moderate it until the only opinions allowed are ones you agree with.

And with regards to the past, I didn't exist back then and may not exist in the 
future either :)


On 30 November 2016 12:53:54 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl <eu...@leitl.org> wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:50:49AM +0000, oshwm wrote:
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>> If you are already part of functional censored lists why would you be
>interested in this despicable, dysfunctional, uncensored list?
>
>That's because it has been a very useful list for a very long time.
>
>Don't recall seeing your name back then.
>
>> Surely you have all you need elsewhere?
>
>How do you kill an unmoderated list? By flooding it with shit.

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Re: Are there crypto discussions on this forum

[oshwm]

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If you are already part of functional censored lists why would you be 
interested in this despicable, dysfunctional, uncensored list?

Surely you have all you need elsewhere?


On 30 November 2016 11:42:13 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl <eu...@leitl.org> wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:09:45AM +0000, oshwm wrote:
>
>> I believe you are looking for the cryptography list or tor list if
>you want to only see what a particular individual thinks is acceptable
>:D
>
>I'm subscribed to those, and they are actually functional, unlike this
>list.
>
>I vastly prefer a well-moderated list to the alternatives.
>
>If you're of the opposite opinion you're being a part of the problem.

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Re: Are there crypto discussions on this forum

[oshwm]

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I believe you are looking for the cryptography list or tor list if you want to 
only see what a particular individual thinks is acceptable :D


On 30 November 2016 10:57:14 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl  wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:45:47AM +0100, Tom wrote:
>
>> However, such rumblings are one of the causes why this list became
>> yet another spam list.
>
>Indeed. Anyone care to volunteer for moderation duty?

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Re: QuarkLabs VeraCrypt Audit Results

[oshwm]

On 18 October 2016 22:38:43 GMT+01:00, grarpamp  wrote:
>https://ostif.org/the-veracrypt-audit-results/
>https://ostif.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/VeraCrypt-Audit-Final-for-Public-Release.pdf
>https://ostif.org/ostif-quarklab-and-veracrypt-e-mails-are-being-intercepted/
>
>VeraCrypt 1.18 and its bootloaders were evaluated. This release
>included a number of new features including non-western developed
>encryption options, a boot loader that supports UEFI (modern BIOSes),
>and more.
>
>QuarksLab found:
>8 Critical Vulnerabilities
>3 Medium Vulnerabilities
>15 Low or Informational Vulnerabilities / Concerns
>
>This public disclosure of these vulnerabilities coincides with the
>release of VeraCrypt 1.19 which fixes the vast majority of these high
>priority concerns. Some of these issues have not been fixed due to
>high complexity for the proposed fixes, but workarounds have been
>presented in the documentation for VeraCrypt.

Are ostif.org a big target for DDoS?
They hide behind Cloudflare and so become another useful site for gathering 
intel on ppl who would like to encrypt their files.

Re: [Cryptography] changing crypto policy? Not Deborah Ross

[oshwm]

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On 18 October 2016 20:14:34 GMT+01:00, juan  wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:54:54 -0400
>John Newman  wrote:
>
>> My god... something cross posted from the crypto list??
>>
>> But Juan says that list is MODERATED and only 'nerds' talk
>> there   ;)
>
>
>   Yes, that list is fully censored. I don't find your jesting(?)
>   to be too funny. One wonders what people who make fun of free
>   speech are really thinking...

They use ridicule so that people self-censor for fear of looking like a fool.

Same as whats been done to privacy - "what you hiding?"


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Re: The difference between moderation and censorship [was Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate...]

[oshwm]

I thought spam filtering was generally automated by a machine without an 
opinion on social issues and moderation was basically the censorship of 
messages based on the whim of a human?


On 15 October 2016 11:41:17 GMT+01:00, "Shawn K. Quinn"  
wrote:
>On Fri, 2016-10-14 at 22:24 -0300, #$%& wrote:
>> To be more precise. Expect to find absolutely no russian
>> propaganda, because that list is fully 'moderated'. That is,
>> censored. And expect it to contain loads of american
>> propaganda, which the 'moderators', aka censors, simply
>> consider
>> to be 'ontopic' 'morally perfect' 'legitimate' 'content'.
>
>Moderation is not censorship. Moderation is the selective approval of
>messages so that a forum is not effectively censored by the prevalence
>of off-topic material, and to maintain standards of decorum and
>conduct. 
>
>Moderation, when done properly, is actually the *prevention* of
>constructive censorship. If this list were to be overrun by spam for
>knock-off Ray-Ban and Oakley sunglasses, penis enlargement pills, Dr.
>Oz
>approved acai berry diet pills, or even ads for VPNs that accept
>payments in Bitcoin, I'm sure most of you would demand something be
>done
>to protect the integrity of the forum.
>
>-- 
>Shawn K. Quinn 

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Re: Intercept's Micah Lee Tips Clinton On How To Maintain Corruption and Secrecy

[oshwm]

Micah Lee is a cunt who thinks throwing website visitors under the Cloudflare 
bus is an acceptable thing to do.
I personally wouldn't trust him with anything privacy or freedom related.

oshwm.

On 15 October 2016 04:22:36 GMT+01:00, grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>This is grand...
>
>https://theintercept.com/2016/10/13/on-wikileaks-journalism-and-privacy-reportin
>g-on-the-podesta-archive-is-an-easy-call/
>"The more public power someone has, the less privacy they are
>entitled to claim" -- Glenn Greenwald
>
>So then why are your editorial subordinates helping and kissing ass
>to these same power politicians, and stopping up the very flow of
>leaks they depend on as journalists? There's not a shred of new
>reporting in this, just pure boot licking
>
>https://theintercept.com/2016/10/13/dear-clinton-team-we-noticed-you-might-need-
>some-email-security-tips/
>
>"So as a public service to Podesta and everyone else on Clinton's
>staff, here are some email security tips... (passwords, phishing,
>encryption, other apps / networks)."
>
>
>Stick to reporting, and leave the dirty non public service of
>consulting the political critters you report on... out of it.

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Re: UK: Censors, Tracks and Balkanizes Its Internet; 10yrs for Pirates

[oshwm]

The UK Gov has spent two generations indoctrinating people right from birth 
that privacy is only for bad people, big corporations will look after them, gov 
dependency is a good thing, debt is a good thing, politics is of no interest 
and too complicated for them etc etc

Only subversive types would think otherwise and so any of you opposing their 
plans are quite simply extremists and terrorists.

Unless the peoples minds can be 'reprogrammed' then those of us subversive 
types who have somehow avoided being brainwashed will become criminals 
according to the state.

So, Brits on the list, expect a bumpy ride.


On 15 September 2016 00:07:44 GMT+01:00, grarpamp  wrote:
>The 90's was simple existance, not the depth of mass application. If
>people
>think the 90's was the last fight, or a big fight, or some kind of
>defining success,
>it's suggested they're terribly mistaken. The application is causing
>govt's and
>useless legacy power structures worldwide to lose some control in
>certain areas,
>and they're approaching panic mode. When an animal is panicked, it
>gets ugly, fast.
>You don't want that. Yet you can't turn back. So you need to push the
>envelope
>harder, faster... so as to make panic mode but a forgone blink in time,
>rebuffed
>by the legion of myriad pressure against them... and push them
>straight into a feeble
>state of shock, then kill them before they can regain composure and
>enact vengeance.
>
>Keep yer sails full, keels wet, and cannon hot.

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Re: flexthismotherfucker

[oshwm]

You seem very emotionally attached to sigaint.

As for your comments earlier with regards to morals and ethics, if you provide 
an anti surveillance service then you'd expect a trustworthy service to take a 
very anti-surveillance stance and refuse to deal with corps that are part of 
the surveillance machine.
It is the very basis of who sigaint is and yet they seem happy to be associated 
with Cloudflare, raises questions in my mind about who they really work for or 
how much they care about those they are supposed to serve.


On 13 September 2016 19:09:16 GMT+01:00, Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote:
>On 09/13/2016 10:22 AM, Razer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/13/2016 08:53 AM, Mirimir wrote:
>>> On 09/13/2016 08:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/12/2016 11:26 PM, Mirimir wrote:
>>>>> On 09/13/2016 12:18 AM, oshwm wrote:
>>>>>> The difference is you have the chinese knocking on your front
>door and are blocking them whereas you are willingly giving the secrets
>of your browsing across multiple sites to a single organisation whose
>CEO has links to the US DoD (arguably more damaging and interventionist
>than the chinese).
>>>>>> You will then be profiled and your future actions predicted and
>even influenced in order to protect the interests of the US MIC.
>>>>>> Nope, nothing to worry about from Cloudflare at all :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My advice is: if an organsation touches Cloudflare then you
>shouldn't touch that organisation.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're missing the fucking point!
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Sigaint for email has nothing to do with CloudFlare. You
>can't
>>>>> even hit Sigaint webmail, except as a Tor onion service.
>CloudFlare
>>>>> doesn't proxy mailserver connections. It's just their fucking
>website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you have some actual evidence, you're just blowing smoke ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What if I told you... They might direct you to the fed's exit
>nodes.
>>>
>>> Dude, you're just bullshitting. There are no exit nodes in onion
>service
>>> connections. There are two Tor circuits, one specified and built by
>the
>>> user, and the other specified and built by the onion service, and
>they
>>> meet at the rendezvous point. Who do you think is influencing that,
>and
>>> how? Are you accusing Sigaint of being compromised, or just ragging
>on
>>> them because they use CloulFlare?
>>>
>>> In order for Sigaint to exchange messages with clearnet mailservers,
>>> they must have gateways. And those gateways are obviously points of
>>> attack. But I pretty fucking sure that Sigaint uses transport
>security
>>> with clearnet mailservers. And everything ought to be GnuPG
>encrypted,
>>> so I don't particularly care how mail from Sigaint gets routed out
>in
>>> clearnet. Important stuff should never leave onionland, anyway :)
>> 
>> 
>> ...and some journalist or NoDAPL activist knows this right?
>
>They fucking ought to!
>
>> I'm going to say it again. Tor is barely passable if you're going to
>> risk your freedom or life. Throw cloudflare anywhere in that mix and
>> it's no longer even passable. I'd trust twitter DM before I'd trust
>> Cloudflare. At least they demand a court order and resist orders they
>> think are bogus. Cloudflare... HAve they ever publicly stated any
>info
>> regarding court orders? I'm not seeing it.
>
>Forget about CloudFlare. They don't play any substantive role in
>Sigaint. You're just making one of those emotional arguments, based on
>nothing but superficial associations and scare tactics. Without any
>substantial understanding of the situation. Can't you do better?
>
>> But you never know it until you're in prison or dead, and you'd STILL
>> never find out about it. In court discovery motions the prosecutor
>would
>> claim their source is DHS-affiliated and to name it would cause
>problems
>> catching terrorists or some other bullshit, and a judge WILL buy
>that.
>
>But dude, that's all about CloudFlare. Nothing to do with Sigaint.
>
>> Why not just let the DHS handle your tormail for you? That's what
>you're
>> doing, and yes I am ABSOLUTELY ragging on Cloudflare and the
>scumbucket
>> who operates it. He's the feds BFF and has been for a long time and I
>> WOULD NEVER trust any secure communications to his company.
>
>So rag on CloudFlare all you want. Just stop spreading ignorant FUD
>about Sigaint!
>
>> 

Re: flexthismotherfucker

[oshwm]

Well obviously all I've said about Cloudflare is well documented but in terms 
of sigaint, its your choice but with the documented issues with Cloudflare then 
I would expect any org who is trying to provide protection against 'dragnet 
surveillance' would be morally and ethically opposed to services such as 
Clouflare, wouldn't you?


On 13 September 2016 07:26:26 GMT+01:00, Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote:
>On 09/13/2016 12:18 AM, oshwm wrote:
>> The difference is you have the chinese knocking on your front door
>and are blocking them whereas you are willingly giving the secrets of
>your browsing across multiple sites to a single organisation whose CEO
>has links to the US DoD (arguably more damaging and interventionist
>than the chinese).
>> You will then be profiled and your future actions predicted and even
>influenced in order to protect the interests of the US MIC.
>> Nope, nothing to worry about from Cloudflare at all :D
>> 
>> My advice is: if an organsation touches Cloudflare then you shouldn't
>touch that organisation.
>
>You're missing the fucking point!
>
>Using Sigaint for email has nothing to do with CloudFlare. You can't
>even hit Sigaint webmail, except as a Tor onion service. CloudFlare
>doesn't proxy mailserver connections. It's just their fucking website.
>
>Unless you have some actual evidence, you're just blowing smoke ;)
>
>> On 13 September 2016 06:31:37 GMT+01:00, Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net>
>wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2016 11:24 PM, juan wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:09:55 -0600
>>>> Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Ddos attacks are exactly like terrorism. Carried by the same
>>>>>>  people...at the Department of False Flags.
>>>>>
>>>>> It muct be nice to have such simple answers to everything ;)
>>>>
>>>>You really got me Mirimir. We should thank the US military for
>>>>cloudflare too. The internet really started to work a coupl of
>>>>years ago, thanks of course, to cloudflare. 
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong. I hate CloudFlare. It's fucking stupid to break
>>> HTTPS security as MitM in order to protect clueless against DDoS.
>>> Clever
>>> adversaries can takeover sites if their interaction with CloudFlare
>>> isn't adequately secured. And I hate having to deal with their
>fucking
>>> CAPTCHAs when I'm using Tor.
>>>
>>> But as much as I hate US military, I don't delude myself that
>they're
>>> the only assholes out there. Maybe the most resourceful assholes.
>And
>>> the most arrogant assholes. But far from the only ones. It's the
>>> fucking
>>> Chinese that seem to beat at every SSH server that I run :( But then
>>> you'll say that it's just americunts pretending to be Chinsese ;)
>> 

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Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

[oshwm]

There appear to be a few people being very vocal on this list at the moment 
with very Pro Statist views.

Don't have a problem with that as such, just noticed a sudden upswing since the 
discussion of the Tor mail list censorship :D

I'm sure I'm just being paranoid and the Tor management haven't called in 
PsyOps assistance from their CIA pals :D


On 13 September 2016 00:48:50 GMT+01:00, juan  wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:34:50 +1000
>Nadine Earnshaw  wrote:
>
>> 
>> My freedom doesn't require hurting someone else 
>
>
>   Lol. As I  explained on-list your political system is
>   nothing but a machine for controlling, hurting and killing vast
>   amounts of people. 
>
>   I'm half tempted to ask why would you join a list like the
>   cpunks...
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> Smoochies 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On 13 Sep 2016, at 8:10 AM, juan  wrote:
>> > 
>> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:21:45 +1000
>> > Nadine Earnshaw  wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Thank you for proving my point xx
>> > 
>> > 
>> >You don't have a point. You are just another freedom hating
>> >robot.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>> >>> On 13 Sep 2016, at 6:43 AM, juan  wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:13:57 +0800
>> >>> "Nadine Earnshaw"  wrote:
>> >>> 
>>  
>>  the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and
>>  call it free speech and find protection
>> >>> 
>> >>>   the bottom line is that you are a highly stupid, fascist cunt.
>> > 

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Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

[oshwm]

The bottom line is that you DO NOT believe in freespeech but are trying to 
convince yourself and others that you do.

People like you who try to pass off controlled or restricted speech as free 
speech are trying to redefine the term because you are too afraid to accept the 
fact that you want to restrict others rights to suit your own purposes.

True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the right 
to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid opinions can be 
debated and society can grow.


On 12 September 2016 01:13:57 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw <nad...@iinet.net.au> 
wrote:
> 
>the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call
>it free speech and find protection
>im fine with finger pointing at the asshat and calling them out on
>being what they are
>i also believe in gun control and legal abortion. 
>encypt your conversations and be a dick in private with other
>dicksthis i think you have the right to.importantly that you have
>right to privacy. the right to be free, to talk openly in private
>without being monitored by others.
>this is what I think freedom of speech is.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "oshwm" 
>To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , 
>Cc:
>Sent:Fri, 09 Sep 2016 06:49:29 +0100
>Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia -
>[perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]
>
>Truly private speech comes with a freespeech guarantee so thats not an
>issue.
>
> Public speech is where the attacks on freespeech occur.
>
> The fact is, you either have freespeech or you dont, there is no
>halfway - that is called 'controlled speech'.
>
> The people who are too sensitive to handle freespeech should stop
>pretending they advocate it and accept that they are advocating
>controlled or limited speech.
>
>On 8 September 2016 23:27:03 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw  wrote:  
>No the issue is public vs private speech.
>There is also a difference between publicly stating an opinion and
>being abusive.
>this is what we are talking about legislatively
>
>RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C
>
>OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOUR OR NATIONAL OR ETHNIC
>ORIGIN
>
>    (1)  It is unlawful for a person [1] to
>do an act, otherwise than in private, if:
>
>    (a)  the act is reasonably
>likely, i n all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or
>intimidate another person [2] or a group of people; and
>
>    (b)  the act is done
>because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the
>other person [3] or of some or all of the people in the group.
>
>   Note:  Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful
>Section 46P of the _Australian Human Rights Commission Act
>1986 _allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights
>Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not
>necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does
>not make it an offenc e to do an act that is unlawful because of this
>Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence
>
>    (2)  For the purposes of subsection (1),
>an act is taken not to be done in private if it:
>
>    (a)  causes words, sounds,
>images or writing to be communicated to the public; or
>
>    (b)  is done in a public
>place; or
>
>    (c)  is done in the sight
>or hearing of people who are in a public place.
>
>    (3)  In this section: p>
>
>   _"PUBLIC PLACE " _includes any place to which the public have access
>as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether
>or not a charge is made for admission to the place.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "oshwm" 
>To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" 
>Cc:
>Sent:Thu, 08 Sep 2016 06:18:31 +0100
>Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia -
>[perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]
>
>So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used t o say yhe things
>you find acceptable? :D
>
>On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw  wrote:
>freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c
>which Bernard supports being removed.
>He is free to say
>"I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to
>say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read.
>but there is a line and that is what 18c is about.
>http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html
>He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed

Re: New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent

[oshwm]

But didnt you just add to that number :D

On 9 September 2016 13:03:09 GMT+01:00, d...@geer.org wrote:
>I have stopped reading this list for one reason: the number of
>messages.
>
>Arrivederci

Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

[oshwm]

Truly private speech comes with a freespeech guarantee so thats not an issue.

Public speech is where the attacks on freespeech occur.

The fact is, you either have freespeech or you dont, there is no halfway - that 
is called 'controlled speech'.

The people who are too sensitive to handle freespeech should stop pretending 
they advocate it and accept that they are advocating controlled or limited 
speech.


On 8 September 2016 23:27:03 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw <nad...@iinet.net.au> 
wrote:
> 
>No the issue is public vs private speech.
>There is also a difference between publicly stating an opinion and
>being abusive.
>this is what we are talking about legislatively
>
>RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C
>
>OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOUR OR NATIONAL OR ETHNIC
>ORIGIN
>
>    (1)  It is unlawful for a person [1] to
>do an act, otherwise than in private, if:
>
>    (a)  the act is reasonably
>likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or
>intimidate another person [2] or a group of people; and
>
>    (b)  the act is done
>because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the
>other person [3] or of some or all of the people in the group.
>
>   Note:  Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful.
>Section 46P of the _Australian Human Rights Commission Act
>1986 _allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights
>Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not
>necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does
>not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this
>Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.
>
>    (2)  For the purposes of subsection (1),
>an act is taken not to be done in private if it:
>
>    (a)  causes words, sounds,
>images or writing to be communicated to the public; or
>
>    (b)  is done in a public
>place; or
>
>    (c)  is done in the sight
>or hearing of people who are in a public place.
>
>    (3)  In this section:
>
>   _"PUBLIC PLACE " _includes any place to which the public have access
>as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether
>or not a charge is made for admission to the place.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "oshwm" 
>To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" 
>Cc:
>Sent:Thu, 08 Sep 2016 06:18:31 +0100
>Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia -
>[perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]
>
>So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used to say yhe things you
>find acceptable? :D
>
>On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw  wrote:
>freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c
>which Bernard supports being removed.
>He is free to say
>"I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to
>say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read.
>but there is a line and that is what 18c is about.
>http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html
>He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed
>he has trouble with what private is.
>
> >>Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative
> pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which
>I
> would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which
> dominates the current Western public and social dialogue".
>
> So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue
> which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which
>I
> strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb,
> courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which
> donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal
>fees
> and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some
>which
> he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents,
>including
> the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early
>retirement
> in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very
> political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an
> Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things).
>
> So plenty to debate, but the guts of this is free speech and the long
> standing statutory infractions against our right to freedom of
>speech,
> and in particular as we name it for necessary but quirky reasons in
> Australia for legal and constitutional 

Re: Privacy Activists Launch Database to Track Global Sales of Surveillance Tech

[oshwm]

This is incredibly useful as it gives a good list of companies not to
work for or co-operate with in any way :)


On 05/09/16 13:18, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> Privacy Activists Launch Database to Track Global Sales of Surveillance
> Tech
> 
> 
> 
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
> to say it."
> 



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Re: Philosophokiddies

[oshwm]

Is it just me or did poking the Censored Tor hornets nest release a very poorly 
scripted attack of retardedness from low level butthurt CIA apologists :D



On 8 September 2016 13:32:14 GMT+01:00, Cypher Piggie  
wrote:
>lets target juan that USA troll. 100 euro now on his lil green troll
>head.
>and see how that bullshit anarchy troll topic he always spew works in
>real
>life.
>
>
>
>> A system where anyone can be targeted for any reason will cause fear,
>> certainty seeking, last resort alliance building, fatalist
>> resignation and cynicism in the general population, and similar to
>spiral
>> out of control.  Groups will develop feudal protection
>> rackets, clans, private protection details, and events, mistakes or
>not,
>> will trigger a cascade of blood feuds.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

[oshwm]

So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used to say yhe things you find 
acceptable? :D


On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw  
wrote:
>freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c
>which Bernard supports being removed.
>He is free to say
>"I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to
>say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read.
>but there is a line and that is what 18c is about.
>http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html
>He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed
>he has trouble with what private is.
>
> >>Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative
> pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which
>I
> would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which
> dominates the current Western public and social dialogue".
>
> So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue
> which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which
>I
> strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb,
> courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which
> donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal
>fees
> and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some
>which
> he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents,
>including
> the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early
>retirement
> in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very
> political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an
> Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things).
>
> So plenty to debate, but the guts of this is free speech and the long
> standing statutory infractions against our right to freedom of
>speech,
> and in particular as we name it for necessary but quirky reasons in
> Australia for legal and constitutional purposes:
>
> freedom to communicate on political and related matters
>
> Good luck Bernard,
>
> - Forwarded message from Bernard Gaynor -
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:07:53 +
> From: Bernard Gaynor 
> To: Zenaan Harkiss 
> Reply-To: Bernard Gaynor 
> Subject: Update: battle for free speech
>
> View this email in your browser
>(http://us11.campaign-archive1com/?u=2f7e1c8c95718aa1558f96210=7eba298bf2=761ea41511)
>
>http://bernardgaynor.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2f7e1c8c95718aa1558f96210=2fa4ad34a5=761ea41511
> Dear Zenaan,
>
> Contents
> * Free Speech Update (#legalupdate)
> * Fundraising Dinner (#qoty)
> * Please help - donate $1 per week today (#pleasehelp)
>
> Since I last wrote to you on 22 August, there has been plenty of
>action
> in the battle to speak the truth and speak it freely.
>
> First of all, I must thank all those who donated to assist in this
> battle. I incurred over $23,000 in fees last month. There is simply
>no
> way that I could afford to wage this fight without your support. I am
> deeply grateful and humble for that assistance.
>
> Secondly, the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal held a
>Directions
> Hearing on 31 August. The court room was packed and there was
>standing
> room only. I counted at least 18 barristers and solicitors there. The
> Commonwealth has intervened and so has the state of New South Wales.
> This matter is attracting high levels of attention, even if the media
> are not paying any interest (yet).
>
> Importantly, the Court accepted an amendment to our summons that we
> obtain a:
>
> Declaration that sections 49ZS and 49ZT of the Anti-Discrimination
>Act
> (NSW) 1977 are invalid in that they impair the Plaintiff's right to
> freedom of political communication or impair his freedom of religion
> under Constitution section 116.
>
> I have been busy this week preparing submissions and other
>documentation
> to support our case. Obviously, I will not discuss our arguments in
> detail here and will respectfully leave them for the consideration of
> the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal.
>
> The matter has been set down for hearing in November. Suffice to say
> that a victory against the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 will
>have
> very serious ramifications for all other anti-discrimination laws,
> including S18C of the Racial Discrimination Act (Cth) 1975. In other
> words, the outcome of this case may well destroy anti-free speech
>laws
> before the politicians in parliament ever get around to repealing
>them.
>
> As such, when it comes to free speech, this battle is the number one
> game in town. And let's all hope that it is successful. Australians
> should not be forced to apologise for their conservative views on
>family
> and morality. I, for one, won't.
>
> Thirdly, the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal held a
> Case Conference yesterday and decided to proceed with an additional 8
> complaints against me from Garry Burns, even though these matters are
> before the 

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

[oshwm]

Still trying to figure out if (when i signed up to this list) i came to the 
house party in the crypto ghetto or Bruce Schneier's dinner party.

I know which i'd prefer :)


On 6 September 2016 05:15:39 GMT+01:00, "Александр"  wrote:
>2016-09-05 22:44 GMT+03:00 Razer :
>
>> > Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some
>or
>> > all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto.
>>
>>
>> He's saying it with his LIFE dude. Maybe you need to get one too?
>
>
>Oh, this one was good!!!