Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 06:29:49PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:10 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 05:40:46PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 08/30/2017 11:45 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> >>> Just as with Dailystormer and dozens to hundreds
> >>> of other controversial sites past and present, whether
> >>> HTML, IRC, filesharing, or simple p2p messaging,
> >>> Stormfront will be back online as a .i2p or .onion,
> >>> or on whatever other censorship resistant overlay
> >>> networks exist.
> >>> 
> >>> These cryptos and nets are mainstream now,
> >>> where others fail, expect them.
> >> 
> >> I expect Fascism is eternal...
> >> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
> >> 
> >> Ps. Promoting the extermination of anyone based on an unalterable trait
> >> is a little 'above the bar' that would generally be called
> >> "controversial" in ANY society. That's why these scumbag-operated
> >> domains get shut down.
> > 
> > Do you admit satire, black humour, any humour for that matter?
> > 
> 
> So was it a “joke” when you repeatedly defended the Duterte death
> squads, and spoke of him from your default point of view - a fascist
> apologist?
> 
> That was some pretty black humor, indeed ;)

You failed to respond in material particular at the time, and now
you proclaim to be the humorous authority on what I said?

Carry on with your hogwash John ...


> > Are you able to distinguish humour as it arises from the internal
> > causes of an individual human?
> > 
> > And are you able to properly assess the nature of a human when you
> > witness them type some words which can on their face, genuinely be
> > interpreted as humorous by some other humans?
> > 
> > Or is free humorous speech another one of these "less equal than
> > other free speech" things just like you hold that some facts are less
> > equeal than others?
> 
> 
> Do you actually think you’re funny? Do you really need the thin
> veil of “humor” for your noxious views? Just own that shit.  I mean,
> you are a joke - a bad, stale, unfunny sort of joke - but not in
> the way you're trying to claim.
> 
> 
> 
> P.S. I don’t support registrars and providers dropping sites for
> posting the type of shit Zzz likes to read..  I hope shit calms
> down and “silicon valley” realizes the mistakes they are making.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[John Newman]

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:10 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 05:40:46PM -0700, Razer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/30/2017 11:45 AM, grarpamp wrote:
>>> Just as with Dailystormer and dozens to hundreds
>>> of other controversial sites past and present, whether
>>> HTML, IRC, filesharing, or simple p2p messaging,
>>> Stormfront will be back online as a .i2p or .onion,
>>> or on whatever other censorship resistant overlay
>>> networks exist.
>>> 
>>> These cryptos and nets are mainstream now,
>>> where others fail, expect them.
>> 
>> I expect Fascism is eternal...
>> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
>> 
>> Ps. Promoting the extermination of anyone based on an unalterable trait
>> is a little 'above the bar' that would generally be called
>> "controversial" in ANY society. That's why these scumbag-operated
>> domains get shut down.
> 
> Do you admit satire, black humour, any humour for that matter?
> 

So was it a “joke” when you repeatedly defended the Duterte death
squads, and spoke of him from your default point of view - a fascist
apologist?

That was some pretty black humor, indeed ;)


> Are you able to distinguish humour as it arises from the internal
> causes of an individual human?
> 
> And are you able to properly assess the nature of a human when you
> witness them type some words which can on their face, genuinely be
> interpreted as humorous by some other humans?
> 
> Or is free humorous speech another one of these "less equal than
> other free speech" things just like you hold that some facts are less
> equeal than others?


Do you actually think you’re funny? Do you really need the thin
veil of “humor” for your noxious views? Just own that shit.  I mean,
you are a joke - a bad, stale, unfunny sort of joke - but not in
the way you're trying to claim.



P.S. I don’t support registrars and providers dropping sites for
posting the type of shit Zzz likes to read..  I hope shit calms
down and “silicon valley” realizes the mistakes they are making.







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Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[juan]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:40:46 -0700
Razer  wrote:

> 
> Ps. Promoting the extermination of anyone based on an unalterable
> trait is a little 'above the bar' that would generally be called
> "controversial" in ANY society. T

yet extermination of all inferior races is your quintessential
jewish philosophy, isn't it?

Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 05:40:46PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/30/2017 11:45 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> > Just as with Dailystormer and dozens to hundreds
> > of other controversial sites past and present, whether
> > HTML, IRC, filesharing, or simple p2p messaging,
> > Stormfront will be back online as a .i2p or .onion,
> > or on whatever other censorship resistant overlay
> > networks exist.
> >
> > These cryptos and nets are mainstream now,
> > where others fail, expect them.
> 
> I expect Fascism is eternal...
> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
> 
> Ps. Promoting the extermination of anyone based on an unalterable trait
> is a little 'above the bar' that would generally be called
> "controversial" in ANY society. That's why these scumbag-operated
> domains get shut down.

Do you admit satire, black humour, any humour for that matter?

Are you able to distinguish humour as it arises from the internal
causes of an individual human?

And are you able to properly assess the nature of a human when you
witness them type some words which can on their face, genuinely be
interpreted as humorous by some other humans?

Or is free humorous speech another one of these "less equal than
other free speech" things just like you hold that some facts are less
equeal than others?

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Aug 30, 2017 2:19 PM, "grarpamp"  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Abhayraj Naik wrote:
> Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords
off yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.

>> As a studied and professional lawyer and consultant, instead of the
above drivel, why not lend your thoughts to various subjects of this list
in your free time.


Dear Abhayraj,

Please, don't feel annoyed about grarpamp's words.  He just wants to make
much better, higher the level of this list, make it more rational and
constructive.  More Abhayraj, less ZeNazi, do you understand?  :D

But, yep, Razer is correct about lurking.  It's your right, whether you
really want it.  Lurking is pretty comfortable and you can eat popcorn and
peanuts while reading all the dramatic messages here, hihi...  Better than
soap opera in the best moments!  :)

I am late in zillions of lists and need to thank a lot for dozens of
heartwarming private messages, but cypherpunks is the only list where I can
mention exotic subjects like Buddhist and Marijuana crypto coins, hahaha!!
 ;D

It makes me feel comfortable here and there are people on this list that I
love more than ice-cream.  You will learn to appreciate a lot some of the
members too.  All of them have their stories, backgrounds, conspiracy
theories, and studies.  Garbage fire people like ZeNazi are the exception
here, not the rule.  Most of the people here are really nice, I swear!  :D

Hugs, take care!

Ceci

Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Razer]

On 08/30/2017 11:45 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> Just as with Dailystormer and dozens to hundreds
> of other controversial sites past and present, whether
> HTML, IRC, filesharing, or simple p2p messaging,
> Stormfront will be back online as a .i2p or .onion,
> or on whatever other censorship resistant overlay
> networks exist.
>
> These cryptos and nets are mainstream now,
> where others fail, expect them.

I expect Fascism is eternal...
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Ps. Promoting the extermination of anyone based on an unalterable trait
is a little 'above the bar' that would generally be called
"controversial" in ANY society. That's why these scumbag-operated
domains get shut down.

Rr

Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[grarpamp]

Just as with Dailystormer and dozens to hundreds
of other controversial sites past and present, whether
HTML, IRC, filesharing, or simple p2p messaging,
Stormfront will be back online as a .i2p or .onion,
or on whatever other censorship resistant overlay
networks exist.

These cryptos and nets are mainstream now,
where others fail, expect them.

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Razer  wrote:
> WTF is wrong with lurking, and playing peanut gallery,
> critiquing the mixed bag of nuts onstage?

The latter a light sport perhaps, one that attracts few remarkable
wagers and many maildrop rules.

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Razer]

On 08/30/2017 10:18 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Abhayraj Naik  wrote:
>> Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off
>> yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.
> As a studied and professional lawyer and consultant, instead of the above 
> drivel,why not lend your thoughts to various subjects of this list in your 
> free time.


WTF is wrong with lurking, and playing peanut gallery, critiquing the
mixed bag of nuts onstage?

Rr


>
> Say on privacy relating Indian street vendors utilizing Bitcoin...
> "court / law" reformations they might seek, empowerment, "practice",
> free state, crypto, etc...
>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>>> This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally
>>> disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact
>>> are disempowered)

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Abhayraj Naik]

thanks, point well taken. when the list is/was good, I do/did enjoy
participating by actively tracking and learning from several awesome
conversations and subsequent action. since my silence on the list has been
now interrupted by this peculiar scenario of non-anonymity that I'm
entangled in, who knows, we might indeed see some thoughts articulated on
subjects such as those mentioned by you.
in good faith,
A

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:48 PM, grarpamp  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Abhayraj Naik 
> wrote:
> > Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords
> off
> > yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.
>
> As a studied and professional lawyer and consultant, instead of the
> above drivel,
> why not lend your thoughts to various subjects of this list in your free
> time.
>
> Say on privacy relating Indian street vendors utilizing Bitcoin...
> "court / law" reformations they might seek, empowerment, "practice",
> free state, crypto, etc...
>
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness 
> wrote:
> >> This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally
> >> disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact
> >> are disempowered)
>

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[grarpamp]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Abhayraj Naik  wrote:
> Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off
> yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.

As a studied and professional lawyer and consultant, instead of the
above drivel,
why not lend your thoughts to various subjects of this list in your free time.

Say on privacy relating Indian street vendors utilizing Bitcoin...
"court / law" reformations they might seek, empowerment, "practice",
free state, crypto, etc...

> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>> This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally
>> disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact
>> are disempowered)

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Zenaan Harkness]

You're absolutely right!

Careful out there folks, a lot of people speak absolute hogwash and
of course everybody knows you should ALWAYS trust the first lawyer
you come across and NEVER read the paperwork they write up on
important legal matters you happen to find yourself involved in.

EVERYbody knows you should always blindly trust the first lawyer you
come across.

Glad we cleared that up - thanks Razer,
Zenaan



On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 08:20:35AM +0530, Abhayraj Naik wrote:
> Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off
> yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 07:51:02PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> > ...
> > > "I'm talking to my lawyers, and that's about all I can do right now,"
> >
> > This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally
> > disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact
> > are disempowered), and SECONDLY, they literally trust the first
> > lawyer they speak to for assistance/help in the problem.
> >
> > If your lawyer is one of (((them))) and actually directly opposed to
> > you, then they will, literally legally fuck you over.
> >
> >
> > How this undermine is done, is very simple:
> >
> > When your court case gets going, it gets going in a lower court.
> >
> > Eventually, it might reach the highest courts.
> >
> > When you head towards appeal into those higher courts, your lawyer
> > (or if you've got more money she can drain from you) a barrister he
> > subcontracts out to ("we need a specialist, gonna co$t lot$ of $"),
> > will do precisely the following:
> >
> > Phrase the question of law, or legal question to be put before the
> > higher court, in a way which is guaranteed to cause that higher
> > court to rule against you.
> >
> > The art of lyering is to phrase such legal questions in a way which
> > makes the client (that's you, the fat pidgeon) believe that the
> > question is the appropriate question, whilst knowing that the said
> > phrasing is actually arse up to what is needed if you are to have any
> > hope of getting an actual win.
> >
> > And then, even if you do get a question phrased in the right way, you
> > may need significant community support behind you in order to
> > convince the courts to go against the prevailing system/ government/
> > military funded Tor network, etc.
> >
> > Stay awake folks, and be-aware/ beware of lyers in White Knight
> > clothing.
> >
> >

Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Razer]

On 08/29/2017 07:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> As an interesting aside "Razer", various of the sentences you have
> written to this list quite possibly WOULD be interpreted as
> incitement to violence/murder, by your local State authorities.


The bar for incitement charges at a state or federal level is very high
and suggesting Nazis, in general, be offed in self-defense, doesn't even
get above crotch (where you kick them) level.

It's all in the wording. As example, when dealing with
blackshirts the police:




Rr

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Abhayraj Naik]

Z speaks so much bullshit it is amazing no one has cut his vocal cords off
yet, he is probably the single biggest piss-off on this piss-off list.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 07:51:02PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> ...
> > "I'm talking to my lawyers, and that's about all I can do right now,"
>
> This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally
> disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact
> are disempowered), and SECONDLY, they literally trust the first
> lawyer they speak to for assistance/help in the problem.
>
> If your lawyer is one of (((them))) and actually directly opposed to
> you, then they will, literally legally fuck you over.
>
>
> How this undermine is done, is very simple:
>
> When your court case gets going, it gets going in a lower court.
>
> Eventually, it might reach the highest courts.
>
> When you head towards appeal into those higher courts, your lawyer
> (or if you've got more money she can drain from you) a barrister he
> subcontracts out to ("we need a specialist, gonna co$t lot$ of $"),
> will do precisely the following:
>
> Phrase the question of law, or legal question to be put before the
> higher court, in a way which is guaranteed to cause that higher
> court to rule against you.
>
> The art of lyering is to phrase such legal questions in a way which
> makes the client (that's you, the fat pidgeon) believe that the
> question is the appropriate question, whilst knowing that the said
> phrasing is actually arse up to what is needed if you are to have any
> hope of getting an actual win.
>
> And then, even if you do get a question phrased in the right way, you
> may need significant community support behind you in order to
> convince the courts to go against the prevailing system/ government/
> military funded Tor network, etc.
>
> Stay awake folks, and be-aware/ beware of lyers in White Knight
> clothing.
>
>

Re: [from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:13:14AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> Because I'd prefer to keep convos started on-list, onlist.
> On 08/28/2017 08:00 PM, Steven Schear wrote:
> > I am unconvinced this solution betters all our freedoms.
> >
> > "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most
> > of one's time defending *scoundrels*. For it is
> > against *scoundrels* that oppressive laws are first aimed, and
> > oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at
> > all."
> > H.L. Mencken
> 
> Fixing the "scoundrel problem" is an intractable problem I have
> ZERO time for.

Fair enough, no one's asking you to fix that problem.

Some might say it can't be fixed, others might say there's no point
trying to fix such an intractable problem - but in any case let's
leave that for a separate thread.


> Allowing an ideology to be promulgated negating human
> existence

Your argument is factless - if even some particular individual has
"promulgated negating human existence", and has so promulgated in a
way which is criminal (e.g. incitement to murder another individual
for example) then perhaps there would be grounds for you to report
that particular individual to your local State authorities.

But not only do such possible facts probably not exist in all but the
rarest of situations, you "Razer" continue, repeatedly, to fail to
present even ONE SINGLE fact in support of your position - other than
your usual hand waving exercises such as "those nasty White
Supremacists keep promulgating negating human existence".

That's a f*king strawman and you know it!

Put up a fact or you're an ongoing fraud and a bully.


As an interesting aside "Razer", various of the sentences you have
written to this list quite possibly WOULD be interpreted as
incitement to violence/murder, by your local State authorities.

Your hypocrisy on this point alone evidence that you "Razer" a real
bully, and at the very least, really aggressive in your communication
(and indeed offensive).  Perhaps you want to take a look at the
finger you keep pointing outwards...


> due to some unalterable trait is simply suicide for a society,
> and as can be seen from history, any society nearby.

Put up a fact, Razer.


> Ps. I take issues with Snopes interpolation of the famous AH quote about
> 'destroying the nucleus' where Hitler also said the Nazi rise was
> assisted by the violent counter-elements.
> 

Come on, at least put the quote in so we can read it:

  In January 2017, white nationalist Richard Spencer was punched in
  the face, igniting a debate about when it is acceptable to punch
  someone who espouses beliefs widely regarded as reprehensible
  (generally taking the form of the question, “Is it ever acceptable
  to punch a Nazi?”). In the ensuing discussion, the following
  popular quote, often attributed to Adolf Hitler, reappeared and
  recirculated:

  "Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our
   adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day
   smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new
   movement."
   Attributed to Adolf Hitler.


  Daniel Guérin documented this quote in his 1939 book Fascism and
  Big Business.
  
https://books.google.com/books?id=vUNYMAAJ=fascism+and+big+business+daniel+guerin=searchwithinvolume=nucleus
  However, Guérin may have paraphrased Hitler’s actual words as the
  quote was presented alongside another utterance from a National
  Socialist leader, Joseph Goebbels, and not with the full text of
  the speech itself:

  "If in the beginning, when the Hitler bands were still weak, the
   workers’ parties had answered them blow for blow, there is no
   doubt their development would have been hampered. On this point
   we have the testimony of the National Socialist leaders
   themselves.

   Hitler confessed in retrospect: Only one thing could have
   broken our movement – if the adversary had understood its
   principle and from the first day had smashed, with the most
   extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement.”

   And goebbels: “If the enemy had known how weak we were,
   it would probably have reduced us to jelly…. It would
   have crushed in blood the very beginning of our work.”"


  Guérin cited a speech Hitler delivered at the Nuremberg Congress on
  3 September 1933.

  A 1934 book containing Hitler’s speeches, titled  “Die Reden
  Hitlers am Reichsparteitag 1933,”
  
http://archive.org/stream/Die-Reden-Hitlers-am-Reichsparteitag-1933/DieRedenHitlersAmReichsparteitag1933193427Doppels.ScanFraktur#page/n21/mode/1up
  contained a German version of this speech. A translation from the
  web site Zuriz confirmed that the quote was largely accurate,
  although it was missing some vital context:

  "“And so, I established in 1919 a programme and tendency that
   was a conscious slap in the face of the democratic-pacifist world
   (…) [We knew] it might take five or ten 

[from offlist] Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Razer]

Because I'd prefer to keep convos started on-list, onlist.


On 08/28/2017 08:00 PM, Steven Schear wrote:
> I am unconvinced this solution betters all our freedoms.
>
> "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most
> of one's time defending *scoundrels*. For it is
> against *scoundrels* that oppressive laws are first aimed, and
> oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at
> all."
>
> H.L. Mencken
>

Fixing the "scoundrel problem" is an intractable problem I have ZERO
time for. Allowing an ideology to be promulgated negating human
existence due to some unalterable trait is simply suicide for a society,
and as can be seen from history, any society nearby.

Ps. I take issues with Snopes interpolation of the famous AH quote about
'destroying the nucleus' where Hitler also said the Nazi rise was
assisted by the violent counter-elements.


The way to resolve that is for Non-violent Anti-fascist elements to BUTT
THE FUCK OUT and practice TACTIC-TOLERANCE. If the media wants to talk
to them about it, JUST TELL THE MEDIA YOU ARE THERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
YOU ARE DOING, and desist from ANY discussion of other organizations OR
THEIR TACTICS.

There is a large Non-violent Anti-fascist element in the US that did NOT
really exist to any degree in Germany (White Rose, etc, were
microscopic), and UNLESS tactic tolerance is practiced by all US
antifascist elements, no matter which side ascends, they will lose to
Fascism.

Rr




> Warrant Canary creator
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 7:51 PM, "Razer"  > wrote:
>
>
> Oldest white supremacist site shut down after complaint
>
> By JAY REEVES Associated Press
>
> August 28, 2017 12:03 PM
>
> BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - The founder of the internet's oldest white
> supremacist site said he was trying to get back online Monday after a
> company revoked its domain name following complaints that it promotes
> hatred and is linked to dozens of murders.
>
> Don Black, a former Ku Klux Klan leader who has operated
> stormfront.org 
> since 1995, said he didn't receive any warning before Network
> Solutions
> blocked the use of the stormfront.org  name
> on Friday.
>
> Stormfront.org had more than 300,000 registered users, Black said,
> with
> traffic increasing since a violent white nationalist rally in
> Charlottesville, Virginia.
>
> Popular with the KKK and neo-Nazi groups, the site included forums
> where
> users sometimes promoted white power events.
>
> "I'm talking to my lawyers, and that's about all I can do right now,"
> Black, of West Palm Beach, Florida, said in a telephone interview. "I
> can switch to another domain, but it might wind up the same way."
>
> Another major white supremacist website, The Daily Stormer, was
> previously shut down by the web-hosting company Go Daddy and then
> Google
> after the violence in Charlottesville.
>
> The Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law said the
> stormfront.org  shutdown followed
> complaints it filed with Network
> Solutions alleging the site promotes not only hate speech, but deadly
> violence.
>
> A spokesman for Network Solutions didn't immediately return an email
> seeking comment.
>
> Users of Black's website have been implicated in more than 100
> killings,
> according to the complaint, including 77 people slain by neo-Nazi
> Anders
> Breivik at a camp in Norway in 2011.
>
> "Especially in the wake of tragic events in Charlottesville and the
> spike in hate crimes across the country, Stormfront crossed the
> line of
> permissible speech and incited and promoted violence," said a
> statement
> by Kristen Clarke, executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for
> Civil Rights Under Law.
>
> Black, speaking about the shutdown during an online radio show Monday,
> said his site had rules against promoting violence or any crime.
>
> Black was a state KKK leader under former Klan Imperial Wizard David
> Duke, who appeared on the radio show following Black and expressed his
> "full support" for Black and the website.
>
> "He was the first major site defending the rights of white
> people," said
> Duke.
>
> Black has been involved in the white supremacy movement since the
> 1970s
> and was convicted in 1981 for his role in a right-wing plot to
> overthrow
> the government of Caribbean island nation of Dominica.
>
> =30=
>
> 
> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article169759307.html
> 
> 
>
>

Re: Stormfap go bye-bye now...

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 07:51:02PM -0700, Razer wrote:
...
> "I'm talking to my lawyers, and that's about all I can do right now,"

This is one of the major problems most folks face - they feel legally
disempowered (and in terms of lack of legal education, they in fact
are disempowered), and SECONDLY, they literally trust the first
lawyer they speak to for assistance/help in the problem.

If your lawyer is one of (((them))) and actually directly opposed to
you, then they will, literally legally fuck you over.


How this undermine is done, is very simple:

When your court case gets going, it gets going in a lower court.

Eventually, it might reach the highest courts.

When you head towards appeal into those higher courts, your lawyer
(or if you've got more money she can drain from you) a barrister he
subcontracts out to ("we need a specialist, gonna co$t lot$ of $"),
will do precisely the following:

Phrase the question of law, or legal question to be put before the
higher court, in a way which is guaranteed to cause that higher
court to rule against you.

The art of lyering is to phrase such legal questions in a way which
makes the client (that's you, the fat pidgeon) believe that the
question is the appropriate question, whilst knowing that the said
phrasing is actually arse up to what is needed if you are to have any
hope of getting an actual win.

And then, even if you do get a question phrased in the right way, you
may need significant community support behind you in order to
convince the courts to go against the prevailing system/ government/
military funded Tor network, etc.

Stay awake folks, and be-aware/ beware of lyers in White Knight
clothing.