Re: The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-18 Thread coderman
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On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 5:12 AM, jim bell  wrote:
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> Maybe 'they' ought to publish all FISA order applications up to and 
> including, say, 2014.  Each and every one.  See what happens.  The 
> limitations period ("statute of limitations") for most Federal felonies is 5 
> years.   The public could learn a great deal about how the government has 
> misused their system.

it would be interesting to attack the FISA court itself, given a track record 
of incompetence. having a corpus of public rulings would certainly help that 
effort - hence i doubt they will release any more; a surprise that even *one* 
was released!

best regards,

Re: The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-17 Thread Razer
jim bell wrote:
> The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps 
> After Damning Report.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/fisa-court-order-fbi-surveillance.html
>
> The FISA court needs to issue MANY "contempt of court" orders to those
> who suckered them in 2016 and onwards.  And then jail them all.
>

Not because they legal have writ to spy on our personal communications,
to wit: "Presidential Executive Order 12333 - 1.13 allows the FBI to
provide the NSA with “technical assistance” in the United States… ie. to
collect metadata about American citizens by collaborating with “foreign
intelligence and law enforcement services.", Section 215 OR 702... but
because they spied on the Trump campaign for the Democrats.

See my 'Data Intercept Technology Unit' tag at tumblr
https://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/tagged/DITU/

Did you know they hired a used furniture salesman?

Rr




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Re: The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:27:07PM +, jim bell wrote:
> The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps 
> After Damning Report.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/fisa-court-order-fbi-surveillance.html
>
> The FISA court needs to issue MANY "contempt of court" orders to those who
> suckered them in 2016 and onwards.  And then jail them all.

Since 1978 actually...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

The order...

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6600-fisa-court-demands-answers-fro/87f1132ddc399b0c99b1/optimized/full.pdf


Re: The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:27:07PM +, jim bell wrote:
> The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps 
> After Damning Report.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/fisa-court-order-fbi-surveillance.html
> The FISA court needs to issue MANY "contempt of court" orders to those who 
> suckered them in 2016 and onwards.  And then jail them all.


Indeed.

Dozens or hundreds of jailings are due...

  "'Cause you'd be in jail."