Re: the tor self-parody

[Razer]

On 09/21/2017 03:32 PM, the 'one whose name shall never be typographed'
wrote that tor project's pitch is:

> "Defend yourself against network surveillance and traffic analysis."


It doesn't say INOCULATE now does it, shit-for-brains?

All any sort of "Internet Security Suite" will EVER DO is give you a
head start on the guys in suits and that's all it will ever do no matter
ho much knowledge money and time is sunk into the project.


For more see: Survival, Evasion and Escape: Department of the Army Field
Manual FM 21-76

https://archive.org/search.php?query=FM%2021-76

Re: the tor self-parody

[juan]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 04:17:14 -0400
John Newman  wrote:


> There is absolutely no way every vendor that sold shit on
> SR / alphabay / etc has been busted. 

For the record, I didn't say they were (though more than a few
vendors may have been caught too)


> The site operators, 
> of SR and alphabay at least, were caught and royally fucked,
> but a shit load of vendors made a lot of money and still
> haven't received indictments.

I'm just saying that any 'high profile' 'hidden' service
becomes unhidden sooner or later...or the owners close it
before it's too late


https://www.reddit.com/r/AgMarketplace/comments/3idznd/agora_to_pause_operations/

then again, that's exactly what the 'fine print' from the tor
mafia says 

http://www.ohmygodel.com/publications/usersrouted-ccs13.pdf

what's really crazy is that the tor mafia both runs a marketing
scam like http://torproject.org/  

"Protect your privacy. Defend yourself against network
surveillance and traffic analysis." 

while publishing 'academic' 'papers' explaining what kind of
shit tor really is. 





 

Re: the tor self-parody

[grarpamp]

Tor is a honeypot.
Does that make you happy like :)

Or maybe this...
http://dtt6tdtgroj63iud.onion/

While at it, why not use your expert powers of inspection,
respecting your philosophies, to analyse and render
your succinct and thought provoking wisdom to these
random selections too...

https://geti2p.net/
http://i2pd.website/
https://getkovri.org/
https://www.freebsd.org/
https://www.openbsd.org/
https://ipfs.io/
https://code.google.com/archive/p/phantom/
https://zensystem.io/
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/
https://github.com/agl/pond
https://tahoe-lafs.org/
https://getmonero.org/
https://www.amd.com/
https://www.intel.com/
https://www.apple.com/
https://www.android.com/
https://bisq.network/
https://ricochet.im/
https://tox.chat/
https://www.gnupg.org/
https://signal.org/

Oh, and when your done with that list...

a) There's many more that people will add to the list so that you
can process and report on them all for them, such as all of these
https://www.privacytools.io/
https://epic.org/privacy/tools.html

and more importantly

b) What is your solution, be it ranged from grand philosophy to otherwise?


Them canaries, be tending...

Re: the tor self-parody

[juan]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 00:18:23 -0400
grarpamp  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 PM, juan  wrote:
> > People who use tor to host 'illegal' content get caught.
> 
> Various elements of HW, SW including Tor, users opsec,
> etc are all fail at / for various purposes as may be used.
> No single one of those is solely responsible for all known
> downfalls.


bla bla bla - keep digging yourself deeper. 


> 
> > "freedom hosting"
> > conclusion
> 
> Why don't you start a project to go interview all the
> fallen operators. 

THe fuck has that got to do with anything? 

Why don't you provide the proofs that people can put 'illegal'
content on hidden services without getting caught? 

You don't provide such proofs because they DO NOT EXIST. 


> 
> > there's no 'illegal' content  on tor
> 
> There are lot of content and activities repugnant to the
> laws of various jurisdictions. 

that is a stupid lie. 


> Few care to point to all
> the variations. 

cause they don't exist. 

> So go find whatever it is you're looking
> for on your own or ask your local librarian to help you.

provide the proofs that tor hidden servies are 'hidden'. 

OOPS. You cannot. 

> 
> Start here...
> https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/

ha ha ha



> 
> > because tor is
> >  compromised, owned and run by the americunts, with some
> > help from  european pieces of shit. 'allies' or
> > colaborators. ...tor is a honeypot
> 
> That's been said before.

yeah some facts get mentioned sometimes. 


> 
> > lol - I'm banned from that cesspool
> 
> Then go sign up for another account 


lol - why should I waste time doing that?  And now that you've
admiteed that those pieces of shit are censors, what about you
explaining how is it that censors working for the pentagon are
also champions of freedom? 

I am all ears. 


> and proceed
> with continued dispersal of said message that way.
> 
> > Tor's mailing lists are FULLY CENSORED.
> 
> No shit Sherlock. What the fuck you expect from
> a corporation 


I don't know. Tor are champios of freedom and their main
objective is to provide ANTI-CENSORSHIP software. 

But now, if you admit that they are actually censors, and os
they do the exact opposite of what they preach,  maybe you
should consider the fact that tor is just a US gov't honeypot.



> and certain other minions, actors,
> facist types, centralized platforms, etc.
> 
> > lol
> 
> You want a lol... they had to shut and remove their
> new even more censored than censored list because
> people knew it was shit and never fucking used it.
> 
> Use, do, or make, something better.


Not the point at hand. The point at hand is to make as clear as
possible what  - the fuck - tor really is.


 

Re: the tor self-parody

[grarpamp]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Mirimir  wrote:
> I'm not sure how Freedom Hosting operator Eric Eoin Marques went down.
> Maybe it was the same Firefox bug and NIT malware that got many users.
> But it likely wasn't a Tor bug. I'm not aware of Tor bugs before the CMU
> clusterfuck with substantial meatspace impact.

Just as the actors below do, opsec is a learnable discipline.

There have been and can be fixable "bugs" in the code and sub
architectures and protocol bits of overlay softwares themselves,
those certainly have an impact in the overall game.

Then there are analysis and attacks all the GPA / GAA do that
can undermine probably at least some feature use case / mode
of all overlay networks in existance today. That's bad. Sybil, traffic
timing counting flow analysis, network manipulation, etc...

https://snowdenarchive.cjfe.org/greenstone/cgi-bin/library.cgi
https://theintercept.com/snowden-sidtoday/
https://www.scribd.com/document/349261099/2016-Cert-FISC-Memo-Opin-Order-Apr-2017-4
http://www.bing.com/search?q=nsa+parallel+construction
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=nsa+tor+stinks

Some of this is fundamental stuff, perhaps a decade of both
secret and public recent progress and thinking, that legacy
overlay / p2p network architectures generaly didn't have
squarely on their radar, at least as known production attacks,
not just plausible theory feasables, before their designs got
birthed and locked down in production.

Focusing on those leading production nets, whether trying to
rework fix maintain or attack, at least not without sound consideration
of and ability to apply current thinking to them with notable results,
may not be optimum investment.

Perhaps it is really lack of next gen architectures proposed and
in operation that can defeat those attacks (or at least target
them squarely in priority and push the cost / envelope further
out of reach) that is what "stinks".

Tor exists and is known. Others have yet to be designed, coded,
scaled up in production, presented and reviewed, kudosed and
failboated, etc. Be the [r]evolution creating tomorrow.

Re: the tor self-parody

[Mirimir]

On 09/18/2017 05:18 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 PM,  <@gmail.com> wrote:
>> People who use tor to host 'illegal' content get caught.
> 
> Various elements of HW, SW including Tor, users opsec,
> etc are all fail at / for various purposes as may be used.
> No single one of those is solely responsible for all known
> downfalls.

It's mostly been stupid mistakes, entirely unrelated to Tor. In a few
cases, such as SR1, it was stupid mistakes related to Tor.

See
https://www.ivpn.net/privacy-guides/online-privacy-through-opsec-and-compartmentalization-part-2

>> "freedom hosting"
>> conclusion

I'm not sure how Freedom Hosting operator Eric Eoin Marques went down.
Maybe it was the same Firefox bug and NIT malware that got many users.
But it likely wasn't a Tor bug. I'm not aware of Tor bugs before the CMU
clusterfuck with substantial meatspace impact.

> Why don't you start a project to go interview all the
> fallen operators. Build an even stronger case like
> blockchains add on their confirmations. As a result
> people might end up listening and questioning more
> than ever before. You'd be famous journo Juantercept.

Because he's a clown ;)

Re: the tor self-parody

[grarpamp]

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 PM, juan  wrote:
> People who use tor to host 'illegal' content get caught.

Various elements of HW, SW including Tor, users opsec,
etc are all fail at / for various purposes as may be used.
No single one of those is solely responsible for all known
downfalls.

> "freedom hosting"
> conclusion

Why don't you start a project to go interview all the
fallen operators. Build an even stronger case like
blockchains add on their confirmations. As a result
people might end up listening and questioning more
than ever before. You'd be famous journo Juantercept.

> there's no 'illegal' content  on tor

There are lot of content and activities repugnant to the
laws of various jurisdictions. Few care to point to all
the variations. So go find whatever it is you're looking
for on your own or ask your local librarian to help you.

Start here...
https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/

> because tor is
>  compromised, owned and run by the americunts, with some
> help from  european pieces of shit. 'allies' or
> colaborators. ...tor is a honeypot

That's been said before.

> lol - I'm banned from that cesspool

Then go sign up for another account and proceed
with continued dispersal of said message that way.

> Tor's mailing lists are FULLY CENSORED.

No shit Sherlock. What the fuck you expect from
a corporation and certain other minions, actors,
facist types, centralized platforms, etc.

> lol

You want a lol... they had to shut and remove their
new even more censored than censored list because
people knew it was shit and never fucking used it.

Use, do, or make, something better.

Re: the tor self-parody

[juan]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 03:59:01 -0400
grarpamp  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 3:26 PM, juan  wrote:
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canary_in_a_coal_mine
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQEIYjS1ePY
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA9FiL7mz_0
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrEM3LHvjI0
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxPYOZCY3pQ
> 
> > 'illegal' content end up in jail.
> 
> Opsec is hard.

well yes. But the moment you try to blame tor's failure on
'other software' you reveal yourself as a tor shill.

People who use tor to host 'illegal' content get caught.
You can start the list of victims of the ameican nazis with 
"freedom hosting" and keep adding itms. The obvious conclusion
is that tor is a honeypot. 

Also, your first comment about clearnet was a nonsensical
diversion and now linking stupid videos just makes it clearer.



> 
> > 'Honeypot'
> 
> Vulnerability whitepapers are more objective.
> Suspicion is harder to prove.


it is a fact that people who do stuff that the US nazis don't
like, and use tor, get caught. So yeah, honeypot.

 
> Some rightly consider both as equally broken.
> That's fine. Pick or build another darknet.

> 
> > where's are the link to the 'uncensored' stuff on the 'dark web'
> > 'powered' by tor's 'hidden' services?
> 
> Seek and ye shall find whatever be yer fancy.


right, there's no 'illegal' content  on tor beca 
> > this issue on tor's mailing list?
> 
> Posters have spoken there on such topics from time to time.
> Feel free to do similarly.


lol - I'm banned from that cesspool and as you know very well
the list is FULLY CENSORED, just like tor's blog or any other
propaganda outlet those scumbags control.

Do you get that? Tor's mailing lists are FULLY CENSORED.


> 
> > party line?


yes the tor/pentagon party line you keep robotically repeating. 

Re: the tor self-parody

[juan]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:26:13 -0400
grarpamp  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 4:00 PM, juan  wrote:
> > so it's a plain 'scientific' fact that there is no 'illegal'
> > content hosted in any 'hidden' service, and so it is a plain
> > scientific fact that the tor network is a complete
> > failure...
> >
> > ...if we assume that that tor network is not a US military
> > honeypot (which of course it is).
> >
> > what's going on with tor 'hidden' services?
> 
> Tor's hidden services are vulnerable to at least two published
> deanonymization attacks. At least one of those is not fixable
> under tor's current design / accomodations made to users.
> There is "illegal" content on tor's hidden services, same
> with clearnet, so this means nothing.


No that's not true. There's barely any 'illegal' content on
clearnet, and there's just as much 'illegal' content on tor. 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canary_in_a_coal_mine


As I said, the obvious conclusion is that tor's hidden services
are a complete failure, because people who use them to publish
'illegal' content end up in jail. But 'failure' is not the most
accurate word here. 'Honeypot' is.

And I am talking of course about 'illegal' content as deemed 
by the worst scumbags on the planet - the US government - the
same scumbags who fund and own tor. 

So grarpamp, where's are the link to the 'uncensored'
stuff on the 'dark web' 'powered' by tor's 'hidden' services?  

Did you bring up this issue on tor's mailing list? Have those
champions of anti-censorship already censored you? Or maybe
they didn't censor you because you toe their party line? 


> There are things tor the sw is good and bad about, same for tor the
> org, tor the funding, tor the history, etc, so evaluate and operate
> appropriately. And / or contribute to and use whatever other
> overlays / systems liked, or wished to create.

> Unknown why that reply re the multiple shitstains playing the
> "hidden wiki" of long ago gone.

Not sure what you mean by that.