Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[jim bell]

 On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 8:14:36 PM PDT, Marina Brown 
 wrote:
 
 
>>"We can oppose monopolies like DNS TLD without defending conspiracy to
> commit genocide."
> 
> 
> 
> We can defend people's right to free speech without being accused of
> defending conspiracy to commit genocide.
> Oh, wait,  I forgot.  That's SO 20th Century!!!
> 
>                 Jim Bell

>I do defend Free Speech - but when people start planning on murdering
whole groups of people it is no longer free speech. It's something else.


You say that as if we must all already agree that:   There are significant 
numbers of people 'starting planning on murdering whole groups of people...'    
Give us a few actual examples.   And what is your definition of "significant 
numbers'?   If we are talking murdered bodies, even one might be called a 
"significant number".  But somehow, to worry most people, you need to show how 
big the figure is compared with, say, the population of America.  Are the 
number of people that will be killed greater, or less than, the number of 
people who die yearly falling down stairs at home, by accident?   For the year 
2000, it was 1307.   If it's only 1/10th that number, say 131, it's going to be 
hard to get people excited.
And remember all the people murdered in Chicago yearly.  761 in 2016.    
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016-chicago-murders
                   Jim Bell  

Equifax Fallout: FTC Launches Probe; Angry Consumers inadvertently dDOS Websites and Phones

[Razer]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The US Shitstem of Revolving Credit Economic Slavery undone by it's own
true believers.

I'll bet the better their credit score the angrier they are.

Rr

>
> The move by the top consumer watchdog only underscores the severity of
> the data heist and the importance for consumers to take immediate
> steps to secure their identities. Experts say the strongest, though
> not most painless, way to protect yourself after the breach that is to
> freeze your credit — but the surge in demand has overloaded the credit
> bureaus' abilities to handle the influx of requests.
>
> As of Thursday morning, all three major credit reporting agencies
> intermittently gave error messages and prevented consumers from filing
> online requests to have their credit reports frozen.
>
> Equifax's website said "System Currently Unavailable - Error 500" and
> suggested consumers try contacting the other credit bureaus.
>
> At one point, TransUnion's website couldn't be accessed at all. Then
> it put up an error page featuring a stock photo of a model sitting at
> a computer, alongside the caption, "The website is temporarily
> unavailable.Please check back later."
>
> Experian's website simply said, "Loading..."
>

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/equifax-melts-down-under-surge-angry-consumers-n800991

Re: Scholarships for Security Certification

[Georgi Guninski]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 01:10:58PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
> These "ethical hacker" degree programs are, IMO, basically a scam.
> I've screened ppl for interviews at work and basically learned to ignore
> anyone whose only significant qualification is one of these programs...
> 
> Amazing how they can get certified and not even know the diff 
> between the passwd & shadow file, or su vs sudo, or the most 
> BASIC shit... 
>

It is highly profitable to be CISO (chief info security officer),
read that salaries are 1M euro/year. Probably such positions require as
many certificates as possible.
 

Re: Equifax Fallout: FTC Launches Probe; Angry Consumers inadvertently dDOS Websites and Phones

[Georgi Guninski]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 07:57:37AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHAHA!
> 
> The US Shitstem of Revolving Credit Economic Slavery undone by it's own
> true believers.
> 
> I'll bet the better their credit score the angrier they are.
> 
> ... 
> https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/equifax-melts-down-under-surge-angry-consumers-n800991

What is expected to happen if enough muricans manage to freeze their
credit?

Some comments:

 From the end of TFA:

| "You're not the customer, you're the commodity," said Chi Chi Wu

 From linked FA: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/massive-equifax-data-breach-could-impact-half-u-s-population-n799686
| Adding to the scandal, three of the company's top executives sold
| Equifax shares just days after the breach was discovered. The breach was
| not publicly disclosed until Thursday, more than six weeks later.

Govts Feds Sponsor $1M for Tor Zerodays

[grarpamp]

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:41 AM, I  wrote:
> https://zerodium.com/tor.html

For more information about our tailored cybersecurity capabilities for
governments or our protective solutions for corporations, please
contact us. Access to ZERODIUM solutions and capabilities is highly
restricted and is only available to a very limited number of eligible
customers.

jackieam2003
This is one of the reasons why we need tor browser to be sandboxed, it
would make it much harder for an attacker to find two separate zero
days, to get past both Firefox and the sandbox.

That is generally Qubes+Whonix.

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jim Carter  wrote:
> Someone please take down that website.
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Lara 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, at 04:35, krishna e bera wrote:
>> > Anyone caught selling Tor bugs and exploits to anyone but TorProject
>> > should be subject to some kind of severe penalty.  It is an offence
>> > against the right to privacy, in other words a crime against humanity.
>>
>> You have spoken so well, comrade! The People's Tribunals should judge
>> harshly this sort of crime against our fellow comrades. And the Chief
>> Administration of Corrective Labor Camps should make sure they are doing
>> steady jobs to repay the public for their crimes.
>>
>> Than the people will need internal Passports. And should identify so the
>> government will know who the criminals are. And finally everyone should
>> be monitored by qualified agents to make sure nobody violates this
>> sacred right to privacy.
>>
>> Once one single country starts doing that, more will follow. I am sure.

Re: Barrett Brown Pursuance Project AMA and AltGov Manifesto

[jim bell]

 On Thursday, September 14, 2017, 8:11:55 PM PDT, grarpamp  
wrote:
 
 
 
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gyynwm/barrett-brown-what-is-to-be-done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOoPyovqk2Q
https://pursuanceproject.org/

>It is time to consider alternate systems of governance.
Impactful, agile, secure civic collaboration
>The Barrett Brown Review of Arts & Letters & Civil Strife is writtenmonthly by 
>Barrett Brown, winner of the 2016 National Magazine Award
for columns and commentary.

>Selections...

>The pursuance system is the world's first comprehensive framework for
process democracy. That is, it allows individuals with no prior
relationship to self-organize into robust, agile entities governed via
a "proceduralism of agreement." These entities, called pursuances, in
turn engage and collaborate among themselves to whatever extent they
choose, leading ultimately to a vast and formidable ecosystem of
opposition to institutionalized injustice.    [end of quote]




Barrett Brown might be inadvertently duplicating another long-standing idea, 
"ParalelPolis".  Full disclosure, I will be speaking there, in Prague,, next 
month.  They seem to have given me top-billing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Polis


                Jim Bell



  

Barrett Brown Pursuance Project AMA and AltGov Manifesto

[grarpamp]

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gyynwm/barrett-brown-what-is-to-be-done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOoPyovqk2Q
https://pursuanceproject.org/

It is time to consider alternate systems of governance.
Impactful, agile, secure civic collaboration

The Barrett Brown Review of Arts & Letters & Civil Strife is written
monthly by Barrett Brown, winner of the 2016 National Magazine Award
for columns and commentary.

Selections...

The pursuance system is the world's first comprehensive framework for
process democracy. That is, it allows individuals with no prior
relationship to self-organize into robust, agile entities governed via
a "proceduralism of agreement." These entities, called pursuances, in
turn engage and collaborate among themselves to whatever extent they
choose, leading ultimately to a vast and formidable ecosystem of
opposition to institutionalized injustice.

Over 40 years ago, a vastly criminalized presidential administration
was brought down through a combination of leaks, reporting, and
Congressional action.

Twenty-five years later, two former Nixon administration officials,
Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, managed to take firm control of yet
another presidential administration. This one, too, was marked by
revelations of unconstitutional and criminal acts, including torture,
mass surveillance, the unprecedented negligence of emergency
preparedness functions, the politically motivated firings of U.S.
attorneys, and the most disastrous military engagements since Vietnam.

Ten years later, many now regard the Bush Administration with actual nostalgia.

It has become more and more difficult, as the years proceed, to
maintain the fiction that the American republic is fundamentally
sound. An associated myth—that the great majority of the American
electorate are decent people who are entirely capable of overseeing
the single most powerful apparatus in history—has also become less
viable. The "establishment," as we may as well join in terming it, has
likewise lost credibility, for reasons ranging from nonsensical to
inarguable. The end result is a crisis of moral authority, and even of
amoral authority; this is a society that cannot even produce a proper
strongman. But it can certainly produce a disaster, for ourselves and
for the world.

Recall that the baseline of 21st century America involves a sort of
constitutional police state with unprecedented incarceration rates,
increasingly militarized law enforcement, an unaccountable
intelligence community with a long history of unconstitutional
behavior, and a judicial and legislative culture that, all told, has
officially rendered tens of millions of Americans criminals

Rumsfeld understood the real lesson of Watergate: the risks of
violating our Constitution are vastly eclipsed by the rewards.

The consequences of a morally failed American republic, continuing on
its present course for even just another decade, would be irreparable.
No competent observer of our current trajectory can today disregard
this scenario, or others far worse.

Years ago, I created a group called Project PM, billed as a
"distributed think tank" and intended to build a platform for vastly
improved civic collaboration and media analysis.

The most important fact of the 21st century is that any individual can
now collaborate with any other individual on the planet.

It is an absolute certainty that, with sufficient thought, a new
mechanism may someday be designed, capable of integrating thousands of
talented individuals and existing organizations into a sort of
parallel civic ecosystem

Since my release from prison eight months ago, the Pursuance System
has been explained in broad terms via outlets like Wired; it will be
detailed further in broadcasts by NPR, PBS, and VICE, as well as the
upcoming documentary Sensational. This media push will culminate next
year with the publication of my upcoming book, a "memoir-manifesto"
that will make the larger case for why the Pursuance System is not
only necessary, but inevitable.

Re: Scholarships for Security Certification

[John Newman]

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Georgi Guninski  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 01:10:58PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
>> These "ethical hacker" degree programs are, IMO, basically a scam.
>> I've screened ppl for interviews at work and basically learned to ignore
>> anyone whose only significant qualification is one of these programs...
>> 
>> Amazing how they can get certified and not even know the diff 
>> between the passwd & shadow file, or su vs sudo, or the most 
>> BASIC shit... 
>> 
> 
> It is highly profitable to be CISO (chief info security officer),
> read that salaries are 1M euro/year. Probably such positions require as
> many certificates as possible.
> 

Yeah I'm sure a lot of CISOs have their CISSP.

I doubt many bother with any of the shady "ethical hacker" 
crap, but I could be totally wrong. I don't see a whole lot of 
value in the CISSP either, personally. 

I do have my CCNA from like 15 years ago, and I'm also 
Sun E-10k certified, though I've never touched such 
a device in my life ;). It was a requirement that a certain
number of employees get the cert at a previous job 
for them to maintain some reseller bullshit or something,
I don't remember ... ;)

Fucking classes are useless. If you want to study, get a EE or
CS degree (or one of the newer mash ups that wasn't around
when I went to college, like a BS in Computer Engineering).

Obviously it's not a vocational thing like the ethical bullshit, but 
probably more valuable. IME best ppl are often total autodidacts.

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Razer]

On 09/14/2017 02:09 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
> What i am arguing is that there IS quite possibly a crime occuring when
> people use these sites to plan genocide. I'm not talking about idle
> talk. I'm talking about stuff that goes towards planning.
>
> I'm quite aware that this argument might lead to the prosecution of
> Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo and possibly even Alan Dershowitz who have
> created legal frameworks that could justify torture. Dersh came up with
> the idea of "Torture warrents". In their case there might be a direct
> connection with their frameworks and torture.

Touche'

Rr

Re: #OpenFabs Ground Up Rebuild [re: secure computer]

[juan]

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 01:41:34 -0400
grarpamp  wrote:


> 
> 
> If this solution uses today's computers to drive the beam, since
> those computers cannot be trusted, and you can't see the beam
> or resultant features

ok...


> 
> I suggest that building an OpenFab capable of producing a
> much higher than zero, higher than even implied guesstimates,
> level of explicit trust

except the tools used in the fab can't be trusted either? Why
would you trust equipment built by the government or by the
handful of 'private' fascist firms who work as government
proxies? 



> is now within both reach and need of those
> interested in its value. Certainly the problem space is better
> understood such that a framework can begin to be designed.
> 
> As before, you have to rebuild it all from scratch, under a
> new paradigm, before you'll ever be able to trust anything.


pretty much true...

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[juan]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:07:07 -0400
Marina Brown  wrote:


> This is not about speech. It is about people conspiring to commit
> genocide, ethnic cleansing and to remove peoples human rights.

I'm eagerly waiting for the piece of american fascist shit
"marina brown" to comment on all the human rights violations 
and genocide that his government commits on a daily basis.


Of course, "marina brown" is just the typical US government
agent working as 'activist' in the 'hacker' 'space' whose job
description is to spout US military propaganda. 


I mean, what the fuck. Seriously. A piece of shit defending US
government censorship in the name of "human rights". It can't
get any more deranged than that? 

 

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[jim bell]

 

On Thursday, September 14, 2017, 11:34:08 AM PDT, Marina Brown 
 wrote:  
 
 On 09/14/2017 03:44 AM, jim bell wrote:

>> You say that as if we must all already agree that:   There are
>> significant numbers of people 'starting planning on murdering whole
>> groups of people...'    Give us a few actual examples.  
>  

>Thankfully it is not significant numbers of people planning genocide. Ifthere 
>were we would be in much more trouble than we are.

You seem to be backing away from your original position.  That's progress. 


>Groups like ironmarch, atomwaffen and many on Daily stormer certainly
appear to be planning genocide. One does not tag their publication "the
most genocidal republican website" if one is not interested in promoting
genocide.


People could "plan genocide" by email, Twitter, IRC,  Plain Old Telephone 
System, Fax, Telex (?), TWX (?) smoke signals, semaphore, 
tin-cans-and-a-string, message-in-a-bottle, or the U.S. mail if they aren't 
allowed to have websites.


>...But of course that will be for a judge to decide. Not me.


But I think you were talking about DNS and website registration.  What does 
prosecuting people for "planning genocide" have to do with registering 
websites?   Remember, if you are trying to justify CURRENT censorship of 
"everybody", you'd better do more than point to a very small number of people 
who, you claim, may eventually carry out what would be a tiny number of 
comparatively minor attacks.  


> And what is your definition of "significant numbers'?   If we are
> talking murdered bodies, even one might be called a "significant
> number".  But somehow, to worry most people, you need to show how big
> the figure is compared with, say, the population of America.  Are the
> number of people that will be killed greater, or less than, the number
> of people who die yearly falling down stairs at home, by accident?   For
> the year 2000, it was 1307.   If it's only 1/10th that number, say 131,
> it's going to be hard to get people excited.



I>'m not trying to get people excited. I'm just stating the legal fact
that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and to deny human
rights is not free speech. It's a crime.


Okay, then STOP STOP STOP trying to justify censorship in DNS registration, or 
advocating that Cloudflare refuse their services to ONE customer,  based on the 
mere future possibility of a crime occurring.    Especially when it cannot be 
shown that a specific website, or a specific customer, is definitely going to 
be engaging in a crime.



> And remember all the people murdered in Chicago yearly.  761 in 2016.  
>  https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016-chicago-murders



>Nonsequitur. One dead is too many.


But you can't properly justify an improper action (censorship) without a very 
close arguable connection between the thing you claim to want to prevent, and 
the thing you claim should be done to prevent it.  You haven't done that.  Not 
even close.  Not even a large distance away, in fact.  Ever heard of this:    
"Think of the children!!!"     People use various rhetorical tricks to justify 
things like censorship.  You've done that, I think.  Go back and re-think what 
you think must be done, and why.  No doubt during eras, and places, where 
censorship reigns, people develop various justifications for it, illogical 
ones.  
                       Jim Bell


  

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Marina Brown]

On 09/14/2017 04:31 PM, jim bell wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 14, 2017, 11:34:08 AM PDT, Marina Brown
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/14/2017 03:44 AM, jim bell wrote:
> 
>>> You say that as if we must all already agree that:   There are
>>> significant numbers of people 'starting planning on murdering whole
>>> groups of people...'    Give us a few actual examples.  
>>  
> 
>>Thankfully it is not significant numbers of people planning genocide. If
> there were we would be in much more trouble than we are.
> 
> 
> You seem to be backing away from your original position.  That's progress. 
> 

Not really. I am alarmed by the increasing number of people who have
gong to the extreme position of advocating wiping people out.

I am just hoping that the majority serves as a break on them.

And the issue is not numbers here.

> 
> 
>>Groups like ironmarch, atomwaffen and many on Daily stormer certainly
> appear to be planning genocide. One does not tag their publication "the
> most genocidal republican website" if one is not interested in promoting
> genocide.
> 
> 
> 
> People could "plan genocide" by email, Twitter, IRC,  Plain Old
> Telephone System, Fax, Telex (?), TWX (?) smoke signals, semaphore,
> tin-cans-and-a-string, message-in-a-bottle, or the U.S. mail if they
> aren't allowed to have websites.
> 

No doubt at all.

If the internet was considered a public utility or something like that
free speech would be better protected, however planning crimes like
genocide would not be.

Probably the most dangerous are not publishing anything at all.

> 
> 
>>...But of course that will be for a judge to decide. Not me.
> 
> 
> 
> But I think you were talking about DNS and website registration.  What
> does prosecuting people for "planning genocide" have to do with
> registering websites?   Remember, if you are trying to justify CURRENT
> censorship of "everybody", you'd better do more than point to a very
> small number of people who, you claim, may eventually carry out what
> would be a tiny number of comparatively minor attacks.  
> 
> 

No - i am speculating about the possible liability of people knowingly
hosting sites planning genocide.

And if the desires of ironmarch were to come to fruition it would not be
minor at all. Thankfully they don't have much resources other than
"mother of satan" and old smoke detectors.

> 
>> And what is your definition of "significant numbers'?   If we are
>> talking murdered bodies, even one might be called a "significant
>> number".  But somehow, to worry most people, you need to show how big
>> the figure is compared with, say, the population of America.  Are the
>> number of people that will be killed greater, or less than, the number
>> of people who die yearly falling down stairs at home, by accident?   For
>> the year 2000, it was 1307.   If it's only 1/10th that number, say 131,
>> it's going to be hard to get people excited.
> 
> 
> 
> I>'m not trying to get people excited. I'm just stating the legal fact
> that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and to deny human
> rights is not free speech. It's a crime.
> 
> 
> 
> Okay, then STOP STOP STOP trying to justify censorship in DNS
> registration, or advocating that Cloudflare refuse their services to ONE
> customer,  based on the mere future possibility of a crime occurring.  
>  Especially when it cannot be shown that a specific website, or a
> specific customer, is definitely going to be engaging in a crime.
> 

The reason i mentioned ironmarch and atomwaffen is that their members
have murdered people. Stormfront members have killed about 100 so far.

What i am arguing is that there IS quite possibly a crime occuring when
people use these sites to plan genocide. I'm not talking about idle
talk. I'm talking about stuff that goes towards planning.

I'm quite aware that this argument might lead to the prosecution of
Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo and possibly even Alan Dershowitz who have
created legal frameworks that could justify torture. Dersh came up with
the idea of "Torture warrents". In their case there might be a direct
connection with their frameworks and torture.

Though i would say - that maybe i should be pushing for enforcement
directly of the laws about conspiracy to commit genocide. (thinking)


> 
> 
>> And remember all the people murdered in Chicago yearly.  761 in 2016.  
>>  https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016-chicago-murders
> 
> 
> 
>>Nonsequitur. One dead is too many.
> 
> 
> 
> But you can't properly justify an improper action (censorship) without a
> very close arguable connection between the thing you claim to want to
> prevent, and the thing you claim should be done to prevent it.  You
> haven't done that.  Not even close.  Not even a large distance away, in
> fact.  
> Ever heard of this:    "Think of the children!!!"     
> People use various rhetorical tricks to justify things like censorship.
>  You've done that, I think.  Go back and re-think what you 

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Marina Brown]

On 09/14/2017 03:44 AM, jim bell wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 8:14:36 PM PDT, Marina Brown
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>>"We can oppose monopolies like DNS TLD without defending conspiracy to
>> commit genocide."
>>
>>
>>
>> We can defend people's right to free speech without being accused of
>> defending conspiracy to commit genocide.
>> Oh, wait,  I forgot.  That's SO 20th Century!!!
>>
>>                 Jim Bell
> 
> 
>>I do defend Free Speech - but when people start planning on murdering
> whole groups of people it is no longer free speech. It's something else.
> 
> 
> 
> You say that as if we must all already agree that:   There are
> significant numbers of people 'starting planning on murdering whole
> groups of people...'    Give us a few actual examples.  
>  

Thankfully it is not significant numbers of people planning genocide. If
there were we would be in much more trouble than we are.

Groups like ironmarch, atomwaffen and many on Daily stormer certainly
appear to be planning genocide. One does not tag their publication "the
most genocidal republican website" if one is not interested in promoting
genocide.

...But of course that will be for a judge to decide. Not me.

> And what is your definition of "significant numbers'?   If we are
> talking murdered bodies, even one might be called a "significant
> number".  But somehow, to worry most people, you need to show how big
> the figure is compared with, say, the population of America.  Are the
> number of people that will be killed greater, or less than, the number
> of people who die yearly falling down stairs at home, by accident?   For
> the year 2000, it was 1307.   If it's only 1/10th that number, say 131,
> it's going to be hard to get people excited.
> 

I'm not trying to get people excited. I'm just stating the legal fact
that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and to deny human
rights is not free speech. It's a crime.


> And remember all the people murdered in Chicago yearly.  761 in 2016.  
>  https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016-chicago-murders
> 

Nonsequitur. One dead is too many.

>                    Jim Bell


Marina Brown

Re: Noam Chomsky ** [ZeeScumbag Chronicles ]

[John Newman]

Captain Death Squad -

You aren't funny. Which is sad, because I know you try so so hard!
Keep trying... ever seen the King of Comedy?  You're like a racist,
dictator-worshipping version of an even *more* twisted DeNiro in 
that movie. I'm not sure who Jerry Lewis is in this analogy.. 
Trump, Duterte and Putin all seem a little on the nose.


> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> At least you have relevant things to focus all that fear on -
> highlighting comedic snyde words which "no one" could ever have
> realized were a snyde comedic jab hinting at the truth of the fear
> you suppress.
> 
> Simply no one could have seen that.
> 
> Glad you picked up on this too-subtle-for-most roast.
> 
> Folks could be misled or something...
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 07:29:24AM -0700, Razer wrote:
>> One more time for the record scumbag
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/28/2017 02:57 AM, Scumbag wrote:
>> 
>> (((Razer))) wrote:
> What's an ad-hom?  Don't bother anyway, I'm really tough so
> I only call people Nazis!
> Eat my tough response, ZeeNazi!!
 
>> 
>> I never wrote that.
>> 
>> Rr

Re: Why I can't sleep soundly with blockchain, being the cypherpunk

[juan]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:22:45 -0700
Steven Schear  wrote:

> I am not at all surprised that CPunks did not kick off the revolution
> many of us desired.
> 
> One reason was that, despite Tim C May's mantra that, "cypherpunks
> write code", not many of us were capable or did. Many who hung out on
> the list and were technically competent weren't true believers 


so the obvious explanation is that the number of people
actually interesed in freedom is like 3 or 4...

furthermore, the idea that purely technical means are going to
solve the political problem is nonsense. 

if anything, technology gives incredible power to the
government nazis and the nazis working 'private' businesses. 



> and/or
> were still more focused on their careers. When times were poor for
> our employment there would be a significant surge in doing coding but
> as soon as the good times returned these people were no where to be
> found.
> 
> Another reason is our lack of understanding of the importance of UIs

come on



> and network effects for widespread take-up (Why Johnny Still, Still
> Can't Encrypt: Evaluating the Usability of a Modern PGP Client
> ).
> 
> Steve
>

corporate smokin' -- was Re: Godaddy survey answers (I stand corrected!)

[Zenaan Harkness]

Was In-Reply-To: 


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 08:13:00PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> I stand corrected.

Humility is a good thing - and me pushing the bible of humility down
your Jewishy throat should certainly improve you on the humble front.
For sure...


> I conflated GoDaddy's rationale with Cloudflare's CEO
> statement:

OK, a quote - a purported fact no less - what a delicious thing :)

Finally we can cut to the chase:

> > Earlier today, Cloudflare terminated the account of the Daily Stormer.
> > We've stopped proxying their traffic and stopped answering DNS
> > requests for their sites. We've taken measures to ensure that they
> > cannot sign up for Cloudflare's services ever again.

... simple fact (as in, non-germane)


> > Our terms of service reserve the right for us to terminate users of
> > our network at our sole discretion.

... corporate justification for evil actions and disclaimer by said
corporate of any and all moral/ethical duty of care to the rest of
us, whilst claiming exercise of moral authority (aka, self parody at
its finest/saddest)


> > The tipping point for us making
> > this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim
> > that we were secretly supporters of their ideology.

... fact-less assertion


> > Our team has been thorough and have had thoughtful discussions for
> > years about what the right policy was on censoring. Like a lot of

... internal self-justification (and "please believe we're good
peopl" virtue signalling)


> > people, we’ve felt angry at these hateful people for a long time

... more virtue signalling (gettin embarrasin)


> > but we have followed the law

... virtue signal pre-empting their implied "but now we say F*CK the
law! We now exercise our star chamber extra-judicial rights YO!" and
you, Razer (and others) say "but they're a corporation, so they're
allowed to be evil, so y'all just shut up about it now!"


> > and remained content neutral as a network. We
> > could not remain neutral after these claims

... "these claims" - the opinionated words you echoed as supposed
"fact" - notice how now claim, no reference, no fact no nothingk is
provided by CloudF-U's "public virtue signal justification w$nk"!


> > of secret support by
> > Cloudflare. 


Well well well, looky here - not a fact in sight.

Gee, I'm so surprised - I was just, like, you know, SO SURE Razer was
gonna put a fact - I can't believe it's just more drivel, I really
can't believe this coming from Razer...


  Why am I not surprised when a corporate overlord conducts their
  star chamber based on a public spewing of their nutty lefty
  fact-less opinions as their basis for extra-judicial star chamber
  evil, since there are not any facts to support an actual court
  case?!!!

  Antifa, USA-Corporation style!



> https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
> 
> 
> ...and I stand by what I said on another thread about an overweening
> reason DNS's take an incredible risk hosting Sturmer crap:
...


First you vehemently smoked GoDaddy, now you smoke Cloudflare,
and finally repeat more of your rubbish non-facts (though I do
expect you to smoke yourself of course).

Re: Cryptocurrency: JPMorgan, Banking Heavy's Continued Dump and Pump

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 03:38:08PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6zt55o/jpmorgan_ceo_bitcoin_is_fraud_reuters_in_2013/
> The LOL's over this guy keep rolling in.

Animal farm and 1984 all over again:

 - "My fiat good! your fiat bad!"

 - "Some fiats are more equal than others."

 - "How dare you confront our private little multi-century fiat
   monopoly - it's OUR democratic governments and our currency, not
   yours!"

LOLs indeed :D



> Chaos isn't a pit, it's a ladder.

:)

Typically it's the Illuminaughties who create the (literal) chaos
(Iraq, Lybia, Syria, etc etc) and climb the ladder to their new world
"order from chaos".

Possibilities ...

Re: #OpenFabs Ground Up Rebuild [re: secure computer]

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 01:41:34AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Steven Schear  
> wrote:
> > Jim Bell and I commented some time ago on this dilemma. One obvious solution
> > is "table top" manufacture of VLSI.
> >
> > As crazy as it sounds, for at least prototyping and small (CPunk) PoC
> > projects, its possible to fab a wide variety of chips, with impressive
> > feature sizes, implantation, doping, etc. using Electron Beam Lithography.
> > EBL is basically operating an electron microscope in reverse. Because it
> > uses electrons to illuminate the substrate vs. photons it doesn't require
> > any litho masks. The beams can directly write to the surfaces and with the
> > appropriate techniques expose chemicals that create the "resists" of typical
> > litho methods. Best of all, electron beams can be brought to a sharper focus
> > than even deep UV meaning small feature size capabilities.
> >
> > The main reason EBL is only a tech oddity is its inability to be used for
> > volume manufacture. Maybe someone in this field will do an ICO. EBL can
> > potentially be operated by a much smaller staff (maybe a competent enough
> > individual) than even the smallest conventional fab. With at least small
> > scale manufacture and some careful design attention I think the list price
> > on a rig could be < $100k USD.
> 
> 
> If this solution uses today's computers to drive the beam, since
> those computers cannot be trusted, and you can't see the beam
> or resultant features, and you can't exhaustively inspect and test
> each chip produced, then the entire output can't be trusted either
> and the solution is rubbish. Shit can only beget shit, see:
> Reflections on Trusting Trust by Ken Thompson
> and the old Trusted Computing Rainbow Series.

I disagree - within certain limits (which could be analysed and
determined to within certain scales/ % deltas), we can have certainty
about production.

For example, create a very simple circuit. Begin with say an existing
untrusted computer with a pristine Debian install,
Internet-disconnected and in a sound-, emf-, light-, and vibration-
isolated room connected to the EBL kit.

Now produce some small yet simple circuit - a few thousand gates or
some such. Small enough you can personally verify.

Chain these up to create a parallel "chip thing".

Test this parallel chip thing wherever.

Rinse and repeat until you have a CPU, memory and disk controllers,
then build your very basic computer from that.

It might take a few cycles and a decade or more, but a level of
assurance could be achieved, starting from where we are.


Point is, it seems inconceivable that say an Intel chip "off the
shelf" would have some EBL-backdooring code built in which is
competent enough to specifically, correctly, and usefully, backdoor
your EBL gate/chip design.

I simply don't believe that's possible.


In this realm of the physical, we can work with the known physical
limits (physically im/possibilities) to achieve an "assured" physical
output product, I believe.


> Today you have ZERO idea exactly what's in the latest from
> Intel / AMD / Qualcomm / etc. Only an implied guesstimate
> that including many exploits for specific targets limits applications
> and result scope, and costlier to die area, than a global set of
> magic packet 0wnership... which happens to suck even more
> because its then adaptable to exploit you.
> 
> I suggest that building an OpenFab capable of producing a
> much higher than zero, higher than even implied guesstimates,
> level of explicit trust is now within both reach and need of those
> interested in its value. Certainly the problem space is better
> understood such that a framework can begin to be designed.

Ack - seems we actually agree.


> As before, you have to rebuild it all from scratch, under a
> new paradigm, before you'll ever be able to trust anything.

That's the bit where I have a disagreement - we can gain some
certainties from knowledge of physical limits/ im/possibilities,
and so no need to reject outright today's COTS components.