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Neil Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: To be bobbed is never the goal, but bobless fear steers the undifferentiated bob along conventional paths, to the abattoir Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Probably busy in his hilltop bunker fiddling with prion generators ..cpunks write code
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At 8:06 AM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Nah, this is mere Younglish wierdness. You have to talk about useless eaters to be totally mayified... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA When I was your age we didn't have Tim May! We had to be paranoid on our own! And we were grateful! --Alan Olsen
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R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:06 AM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Nah, this is mere Younglish wierdness. You have to talk about useless eaters to be totally mayified... Cheers, RAH John would warn you about the organ cuts Tim would rave about the sizzle stake I'm just scoping out the meat-eye view through the grinder. --bob of mad cow metephors
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On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 09:30, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:06 AM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Nah, this is mere Younglish wierdness. You have to talk about useless eaters to be totally mayified... Random racist ranting is also required. There are some racist assholes currently posting on cpunks, but none have quite the May flavor.
Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. I followed up on the info and did some surfing on the subject and got quite interested. I also did some searches in my cypherpunk mail folder and got no hits. Surely this must have been up in the list? Can someone give me some links please? There were also some talk about some PROMIS software somewhere and modifications being made to illegally obtained copies of proprietary software. This software was then sold by the US gov to be able to spy on Canadian authoritites. Is this also true? I found the below text saved here locally, if I'm correctly informed Mr. Michael Riconosciuto went to jail for this affidavit. Can someone verify if this really is true. (It sounds bizarre but maybe this can happen in Amerika?) I am told that Michael Riconosciuto has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and many delays in diagnosis and treatment have occurred and people say it's becaus the US gov wants him dead because he knows too much. It's also rumoured that he never received a fair trial and that two of his lawyers were murdered. Because the US government does not admit anything about PROMIS he has been relegated as a nut and serious efforts to isolate him have been going on for more than a decade. A friend of mine sent me this info on the case: Michael Riconosciuto was asked by Bill Hamilton, the proprietor of Promis, to sign an affidavit about his alterations to the software. A week before he signed, Michael was threatened. There had already been deaths around him and Michael informed his family that he was about to be murdered or jailed and that whatever the family was going to be told about him, it wasn't true, he was being framed for telling the truth. A week after signing the affidavit, Michael ended up in jail on fraudulent charges of running a drug lab. Can someone give me some more info on this? Thank you AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO The INSLAW CASE: AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA In Re: INSLAW, INC., Debtor. CASE NO. 85-00070 (Chapter 11) INSLAW, INC., Plaintiff v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Defendants. CASE NO. 85-00070 Adversary Proceeding NO. 86-0069 AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO STATE OF WASHINGTON) I, MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO, being duly sworn, do hereby state as follows: 1. During the early 1980's, I served as the Director of Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians in Indio, California. The joint venture was located on the Cabazon reservation. 2. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture sought to develop and/or manufacture certain materials that are used in military and national security operations, including night vision goggles, machine guns, fuel-air explosives, and biological and chemical warfare weapons. EXHIBIT 1 3. The Cabazon Band of Indians are a sovereign nation. The sovereign immunity that is accorded the Cabazons as a consequence of this fact made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabazon Indians also provided the Wackenhut Corporation with an enhanced ability to obtain federal contracts through the 8A Set Aside Program, and in connection with Government-owned contractor-operated (GOCO) facilities. 4. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture was intended to support the needs of a number of foreign governments and forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East. The Contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important priorities for the joint venture. 5. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture maintained close liaison with certain elements of the United States Government, including representatives of intelligence, military and law enforcement agencies. 6. Among the frequent visitors to the Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture were Peter Videnieks of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and a close associate of Videnieks by the name of Earl W. Brian. Brian is a private businessman who lives in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the U.S. intelligence community for many years. 7. In connection with my work for Wackenhut, I engaged in some software development and modification work in 1983 and 1984 on the proprietary PROMIS computer software product. The copy of PROMIS on which I worked came from the Department of Justice. Earl W. Brian made it available to me through Wackenhut after acquiring it from Peter Videnieks, who was then a Department of Justice contracting official with responsibility for
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Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
At 6:20 PM +0100 12/5/04, Nomen Nescio wrote: PROMIS Beat that horse, scraped it off the floor, sent it to the glue factory. Seven or Eight times. Musta had kin. However, all you have to do is drop that acronym around here, and, sooner or later, like buzzards to a shitwagon, all the usual suspects will come home to roost. To beat a metaphor like a, heh, dead horse... Cheers, RAH Who goes to Eliot Richardson's old church. When he ran for governor on the republican ticket, the boys from Southie made up a bumpersticker that said Vote for Eliot, he's better than you. :-) -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 6:20 PM +0100 12/5/04, Nomen Nescio wrote: PROMIS Beat that horse, scraped it off the floor, sent it to the glue factory. Seven or Eight times. Musta had kin. And all of them were related to a guy who had a habit of holding $7,000.00 ashtrays on TV. A certain Proxmire IIRC? However, all you have to do is drop that acronym around here, and, sooner or later, like buzzards to a shitwagon, That should have been buzzWORDS to a shitwagon. all the usual suspects will come home to roost. To beat a metaphor like a, heh, dead horse... PROMIS's yet unkept. Cheers, RAH Who goes to Eliot Richardson's old church. When he ran for governor on the republican ticket, the boys from Southie made up a bumpersticker that said Vote for Eliot, he's better than you. :-) They were right too. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
--- Neil Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: To be bobbed is never the goal, but bobless fear steers the undifferentiated bob along conventional paths, to the abattoir Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Tuning the output stage of his useless eater welfare-mutant oven, in all probability. I think he wants to avoid criticisms from the environmentalists by way of making sure his machinery conforms to Kyoto Protocol expectations. Bonus question: Who is the author of the origin question that inspired the copycats? Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/12/05/returning_fallujans_will_face_clampdown?mode=PF The Boston Globe US Marines rode in a convoy through Fallujah on Friday. The US military is continuing missions to secure the city. (AFP Photo / Mehdi Fedouach) Returning Fallujans will face clampdown By Anne Barnard, Globe Staff | December 5, 2004 FALLUJAH, Iraq -- The US military is drawing up plans to keep insurgents from regaining control of this battle-scarred city, but returning residents may find that the measures make Fallujah look more like a police state than the democracy they have been promised. Under the plans, troops would funnel Fallujans to so-called citizen processing centers on the outskirts of the city to compile a database of their identities through DNA testing and retina scans. Residents would receive badges displaying their home addresses that they must wear at all times. Buses would ferry them into the city, where cars, the deadliest tool of suicide bombers, would be banned. Marine commanders working in unheated, war-damaged downtown buildings are hammering out the details of their paradoxical task: Bring back the 300,000 residents in time for January elections without letting in insurgents, even though many Fallujans were among the fighters who ruled the city until the US assault drove them out in November, and many others cooperated with fighters out of conviction or fear. One idea that has stirred debate among Marine officers would require all men to work, for pay, in military-style battalions. Depending on their skills, they would be assigned jobs in construction, waterworks, or rubble-clearing platoons. You have to say, 'Here are the rules,' and you are firm and fair. That radiates stability, said Lieutenant Colonel Dave Bellon, intelligence officer for the First Regimental Combat Team, the Marine regiment that took the western half of Fallujah during the US assault and expects to be based downtown for some time. Bellon asserted that previous attempts to win trust from Iraqis suspicious of US intentions had telegraphed weakness by asking, 'What are your needs? What are your emotional needs?' All this Oprah [stuff], he said. They want to figure out who the dominant tribe is and say, 'I'm with you.' We need to be the benevolent, dominant tribe. They're never going to like us, he added, echoing other Marine commanders who cautioned against raising hopes that Fallujans would warmly welcome troops when they return to ruined houses and rubble-strewn streets. The goal, Bellon said, is mutual respect. Most Fallujans have not heard about the US plans. But for some people in a city that has long opposed the occupation, any presence of the Americans, and the restrictions they bring, feels threatening. When the insurgents were here, we felt safe, said Ammar Ahmed, 19, a biology student at Anbar University. At least I could move freely in the city; now I cannot. A model cityUS commanders and Iraqi leaders have declared their intention to make Fallujah a model city, where they can maintain the security that has eluded them elsewhere. They also want to avoid a repeat -- on a smaller scale -- of what happened after the invasion of Iraq, when a quick US victory gave way to a disorganized reconstruction program thwarted by insurgent violence and intimidation. To accomplish those goals, they think they will have to use coercive measures allowed under martial law imposed last month by Prime Minister Iyad Allawi. It's the Iraqi interim government that's coming up with all these ideas, Major General Richard Natonski, who commanded the Fallujah assault and oversees its reconstruction, said of the plans for identity badges and work brigades. But US officers in Fallujah say that the Iraqi government's involvement has been less than hoped for, and that determining how to bring the city safely back to life falls largely on their shoulders. I think our expectations have been too high for a nascent government to be perfectly organized and ready for such a complex task, Colonel Mike Shupp, the regimental commander, said at his headquarters in downtown Fallujah. While one senior Marine said he fantasized last month that Allawi would ride a bulldozer into Fallujah, the prime minister has come no closer than the US military base outside the city. The Iraqi Interior Ministry has not delivered the 1,200 police officers it had promised, although the Defense Ministry has provided troops on schedule, US officials said. Iraqi ministry officials have visited the city, but delegations have often failed to show up. US officials say that is partly out of fear of ongoing fighting that sends tank and machine-gun fire echoing through the streets. Meanwhile, the large-scale return of residents to a city where only Humvees and dogs travel freely will make military operations as well as reconstruction a lot harder. The military must start letting people in, one neighborhood at a time, within weeks
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Bonus question: Who is the author of the origin question that inspired the copycats? Well, I remember May posting it but I don't think he was the ultimate author. I suspect whoever posted it recently in fact dug it out of the archives and re-posted it, a particularly lame maneuver if so. OR...perhaps ole' May is gettin' a little lonely out there! -TD
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
--- Nomen Nescio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. [PROMIS] Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? I've only read vague hints and rumours concerning its implicit design philosophy and architecture from the rare instances where it is mentioned at all. Yes, he code is probably classified (blah, blah, blah), but its actual use must reveal its purpose and function to some degree. And sure, we know that feds and other ne'er-do-wells have a bug up their ass about revealing sources and methods (unlike the public, who have no practical option in that regard) so any information that does leak is bound to be sketchy, but surely there must be _some_ accurate data available concerning its nature, especially considering the fact that it has been under development for two or three decades. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? We had a PROMIS system on our 370 something (168?) back in '81 - ran under SPF/TSO [MVS] IIRC? I always assumed the two were loosely related - I believe it was an early and crude relational DB implementation. But who the hell really knows? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: I've only read vague hints and rumours concerning its implicit design philosophy and architecture from the rare instances where it is mentioned at all. Yes, he code is probably classified (blah, blah, blah), but its actual use must reveal its purpose and function to some degree. And sure, we know that feds and other ne'er-do-wells have a bug up their ass about revealing sources and methods (unlike the public, who have no practical option in that regard) so any information that does leak is bound to be sketchy, but surely there must be _some_ accurate data available concerning its nature, especially considering the fact that it has been under development for two or three decades. Yes, I have found that puzzling too. Articles I have read refer to the original version being in the public domain. You'd think the source code would be out there somewhere. The least Tin Foil Hat (TM) version of the story I found is at Wired http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.01/inslaw.html Which gives this description: Designed as case-management software for federal prosecutors, PROMIS has the ability to combine disparate databases, and to track people by their involvement with the legal system. Hamilton and others now claim that the DOJ has modified PROMIS to monitor intelligence operations, agents and targets, instead of legal cases. I find the claims made about this software (it's ability to reconcile data from many different sources automagically ) pretty vague and frankly, a little far fetched, based on what I know about software, databases, etc. (And that's not even including the modifications supposedly made to install a TEMPEST back door in later versions). -Neil
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
One the claims I have problems with (from the WIRED article): But the real power of PROMIS, according to Hamilton, is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, PROMIS can integrate innumerable databases without requiring any reprogramming. If this were true, I can guarantee that there would lots of companies clamoring for it. -Neil
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, Oh, please... Try googling the line-count of any major piece of software, particularly in an age of object-oriented code... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, Oh, please... Try googling the line-count of any major piece of software, particularly in an age of object-oriented code... OOP is a fairly recent phenomena when we are talking about code from the '70s you know ;-) In 1980, a half million lines of code was pretty hefty. Cheers, RAH -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? At 07:16 PM 12/5/2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: We had a PROMIS system on our 370 something (168?) back in '81 - ran under SPF/TSO [MVS] IIRC? I always assumed the two were loosely related - I believe it was an early and crude relational DB implementation. But who the hell really knows? There are several different issues related to PROMIS 0 - What size tinfoil hat do you need? (It's probably still worth being paranoid about Echelon, but PROMIS is old hat...) 1 - Feds or somebody basically pirated their copy of the software, back when most mainframe software was expensive, and drove the company into bankruptcy rather than pay up, and they spent a lot of effort covering up their ripoff, possibly including the murder of a journalist. 2 - What are the basic capabilities of the software? I think Alif's got it about right, and remember that back in the early 80s, Codd Date had written some really cool theory about how relational databases could and should work, but most computers didn't have the horsepower for them and the early implementations were mostly either crude or bloated. Also, mainframe software tended to be very customized, particularly if it had to interconnect with other mainframe software like somebody else's non-relational database with a different schema. 3 - What sets of data were the various spooks, feds, and staties _keeping_ in their databases, and how much of it did they share with each other or get from various other sources? If you worked with databases back in the early 80s, remember that a gigabyte of disk used to be pretty big, rather than wristwatch-sized, and a megabyte of RAM was big and cost non-trivial amounts of money, and magnetic tapes held less than 200MB and took tens of minutes to read, and big database projects typically required departments of dozens or hundreds of workers to spend months of budgeting and planning to design schemas and processes that could take months to run, instead of being ad-hoc queries any random employee can run on their desktop over lunchtime if they feel like it, and might be able to run on their pocket computer when riding home on the subway. My department's ~1983 VAX had a 1 MIPS CPU, a gig of removable disk, 4MB RAM, and two tape drives, and cost about $400K. It wasn't big iron - that was typically an order of magnitude bigger. These days, $400 will get you a 3000 MIPS CPU, a gig of RAM, and 100-200GB disk, and database software is free. It's about a million times more cost-effective, depending on whether you care more about CPU, disk, or RAM, and there's an Internet hanging out the back side that will let you use Google's farm of ~100K computers for free.
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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 09:30, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:06 AM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Nah, this is mere Younglish wierdness. You have to talk about useless eaters to be totally mayified... Random racist ranting is also required. There are some racist assholes currently posting on cpunks, but none have quite the May flavor.
Re: Unintended Consequences
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Chuck Wolber wrote: On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Steve Furlong wrote: I also tried to get my wife to agree to a heroic name for our son. In the tradition of Pericles and Sophocles, I present ... Testicles. Similarly I preferred Falopia, and alas my wife was equally reticent. s/Falopia/Fallopia/ -Chuck -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit. - FDR
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...RAHWEH
Random racist ranting is also required. There are some racist assholes currently posting on cpunks, but none have quite the May flavor. Yes, in comparison with May they are basically poseurs. Oh, and in light of the Bob conversation, shouldn't we be describing 'RAH' (a Bob) as 'RAHWEH'? -TD
Re: Immediate Exception
At 5:07 PM -0500 12/4/04, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: Be kind to yourself, but never forget you're kind You're a fluke of the universe, and while your standing there looking stupid, the universe is laughing behind your back... Or something. Cheers, R.A. (Bob) Hettinga Slack -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:06 AM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Nah, this is mere Younglish wierdness. You have to talk about useless eaters to be totally mayified... Cheers, RAH John would warn you about the organ cuts Tim would rave about the sizzle stake I'm just scoping out the meat-eye view through the grinder. --bob of mad cow metephors
Re: Unintended Consequences
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 00:30, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 04:44 AM 12/2/04 -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote: John Ross' Unintended Consequences is a classic of the, um, gun culture, :-) and a great read. Made me want to name my first mulatto Gonorreah fer sure :-) I tried, years before _UC_ came out, to get some friends to name their daughter Chlamydia. They didn't know what the word meant, but for some reason didn't trust my advice. Nor did they like Pudenda. I also tried to get my wife to agree to a heroic name for our son. In the tradition of Pericles and Sophocles, I present ... Testicles. No, she didn't go for it.
RE: Liquidnet: Anonymous institutional transactions
Holy Shit! I point I made back in the May days was that a Blacknet able to accept anonymous trades would really have a major impact on the business world. Imagine getting early wind of some acquisition and then you could start trading on that? That would eliminate a lot of the bullshit 'arbitrage' such deals are often made out of, based on the rest of the world not knowing. For the deal to make sense, it could only survive on the basis of really being accretive to both companies. This can't possibly be too anonymous, though. But one wonders if clever endpoints might be able to augment Liquidnet's own anonymity a bit! -TD From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Liquidnet: Anonymous institutional transactions Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:48:55 -0500 http://www.liquidnet.com/company/ The Company Why Use Liquidnet Membership News and Stats Careers Contact Us About Liquidnet :: Senior Management :: Board of Directors :: Liquidnet Europe Liquidnet is successfully redefining institutional trading. Launched in April 2001, Liquidnet was built exclusively for institutional trading. After only three years, we are now ranked as one of the top 14 largest NYSE institutional brokers and the 15th largest NASDAQ broker* respectively. The Liquidnet global community has grown to represent more than $6.8 trillion in equity assets under management. Liquidnet's unique model brings natural buyers and sellers together and enables them to anonymously negotiate trades among each other, without intermediaries or information leaks. Liquidnet's institutional Members trade large blocks of small-, mid- and large-cap stocks easily, efficiently and with little to no market impact costs. The result is the industry-leading average execution size of more than 42,000 shares since inception, with 50% of all executions done at the mid-point and 92% done within the spread. Liquidnet, Inc. is a registered broker/dealer, headquartered in New York City. Liquidnet Europe Limited is regulated by the Financial Services Authority and is headquartered in London. * Based on Plexus Group analysis (03Q3 - 04Q2) November 29, 1999 Liquidnet Holdings, Inc. founded January 10, 2000 Liquidnet, Inc. founded April 10, 2001 Liquidnet launches in the United States with 38 Member firms April 16, 2001 Liquidnet completes first week of trading with an average execution size of 86,000 shares June 12, 2001 Liquidnet Europe Ltd. founded October 23, 2001 Liquidnet executes its 500-millionth share March 8, 2002 Liquidnet signs first European Member April 4, 2002 Liquidnet executes its one-billionth share June 3, 2002 100th Member firm goes live August 2002 Liquidnet recognized by Plexus Group as one of the largest institutional brokers for NYSE-listed stocks November 2002 Liquidnet recognized by Plexus Group as one of the largest institutional brokers for NASDAQ stocks November 20, 2002 Liquidnet Europe launches, providing fund managers with access to six global markets - UK, French, German, Swiss, Dutch and US December 31, 2002 Liquidnet ends year with 136 live Members and completes strongest quarter to date, executing 426 million shares January 30, 2003 Liquidnet executes its two-billionth share October 14, 2003 Liquidnet executes its largest single US equities trade to date -- 2.83 million shares. November, 2003 Liquidnet ranked as the 5th and 10th least expensive trading venue for NYSE and Nasdaq stocks, respectively, by Elkins/McSherry. December 16, 2003 Value traded in Liquidnet since inception reaches $100 billion. December 22, 2003 Liquidnet breaks its single day record for US volume, executing nearly 29.5 million shares. January, 2004 Liquidnet ranked as one of the Top 20 largest NYSE brokers in the Plexus Group universe of 1,500 brokers. January 21, 2004 July 29, 2004 October 21, 2004 Liquidnet breaks its single day record for US volume, executing more than 30 million shares. Liquidnet brings anonymous block trading to Canada Liquidnet Honored as the 5th Fastest Growing Private Company in America by INC. MAGAZINE and THE fastest growing private Financial Services company. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
RE: Tenet calls for Internet security
The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said. I guess that summarizes his 'vision' better than anything he actually said. -TD From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tenet calls for Internet security Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:57:27 -0500 Now... Try not to laugh, here... MMMGGGPPPFBWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Heh... Yes, well... Sorry about that. Carry on. Cheers, RAH --- http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20041201-114750-6381r The Washington Times www.washingtontimes.com Tenet calls for Internet security By Shaun Waterman UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL Published December 2, 2004 Former CIA Director George J. Tenet yesterday called for new security measures to guard against attacks on the United States that use the Internet, which he called a potential Achilles' heel. I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or accountability, he told an information-technology security conference in Washington, but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and control. The former CIA director said telecommunications -- and specifically the Internet -- are a back door through which terrorists and other enemies of the United States could attack the country, even though great strides have been made in securing the physical infrastructure. The Internet represents a potential Achilles' heel for our financial stability and physical security if the networks we are creating are not protected, Mr. Tenet said. He said known adversaries, including intelligence services, military organizations and non-state actors, are researching information attacks against the United States. Within the federal government, the Department of Homeland Security has the lead role in protecting the Internet from terrorism. But the department's head of cyber-security recently quit amid reports that he had clashed with his superiors. Mr. Tenet, who retired in July as director of the CIA after seven years, warned that al Qaeda remains a sophisticated group, even though its first-tier leadership largely has been destroyed. It is undoubtedly mapping vulnerabilities and weaknesses in our telecommunications networks, he said. Mr. Tenet pointed out that the modernization of key industries in the United States is making them more vulnerable by connecting them with an Internet that is open to attack. The way the Internet was built might be part of the problem, he said. Its open architecture allows Web surfing, but that openness makes the system vulnerable, Mr. Tenet said. Access to networks like the World Wide Web might need to be limited to those who can show they take security seriously, he said. Mr. Tenet called for industry to lead the way by establishing and enforcing security standards. Products need to be delivered to government and private-sector customers with a new level of security and risk management already built in. The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: To be bobbed is never the goal, but bobless fear steers the undifferentiated bob along conventional paths, to the abattoir Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-)
Unintended Consequences
At 04:44 AM 12/2/04 -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote: John Ross' Unintended Consequences is a classic of the, um, gun culture, :-) and a great read. Made me want to name my first mulatto Gonorreah fer sure :-)
O'Reilly is a terrorist
At 09:17 AM 12/1/04 -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote: Appearing on Fox News' O'Reilly Factor Monday night My favorite irony-pegging experience of the week was Bill O accusing an Al-Jazeera spokesman of not being fair and balanced. Lets bomb those mofos and blame it on an out-of-date Yugo map.
Re: Immediate Exception
R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 5:07 PM -0500 12/4/04, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: Be kind to yourself, but never forget you're kind You're a fluke of the universe, and while your standing there looking stupid, the universe is laughing behind your back... Or something. Cheers, R.A. (Bob) Hettinga Slack Paranoia is our biological endowment, but rationality sounds like a good idea. I''d dismiss the possibility that the universe exists for the express purpose of confounding me. The practical logistics for faking the coherrent correlations that inform me would entail a workload that exceedes my concidered threat model -- bob.
Got Chips?
At 10:59 AM 12/1/04 -0800, John Young wrote: Lying about having an implant is kidnapping and mutilation protection. If they even think you have a tracking chip, you'll be boxed up in a Faraday cage faster than you can say Jimmy Walker-Lindh. Clothing optional, baby. Got 121.5 Mhz?
Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. I followed up on the info and did some surfing on the subject and got quite interested. I also did some searches in my cypherpunk mail folder and got no hits. Surely this must have been up in the list? Can someone give me some links please? There were also some talk about some PROMIS software somewhere and modifications being made to illegally obtained copies of proprietary software. This software was then sold by the US gov to be able to spy on Canadian authoritites. Is this also true? I found the below text saved here locally, if I'm correctly informed Mr. Michael Riconosciuto went to jail for this affidavit. Can someone verify if this really is true. (It sounds bizarre but maybe this can happen in Amerika?) I am told that Michael Riconosciuto has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and many delays in diagnosis and treatment have occurred and people say it's becaus the US gov wants him dead because he knows too much. It's also rumoured that he never received a fair trial and that two of his lawyers were murdered. Because the US government does not admit anything about PROMIS he has been relegated as a nut and serious efforts to isolate him have been going on for more than a decade. A friend of mine sent me this info on the case: Michael Riconosciuto was asked by Bill Hamilton, the proprietor of Promis, to sign an affidavit about his alterations to the software. A week before he signed, Michael was threatened. There had already been deaths around him and Michael informed his family that he was about to be murdered or jailed and that whatever the family was going to be told about him, it wasn't true, he was being framed for telling the truth. A week after signing the affidavit, Michael ended up in jail on fraudulent charges of running a drug lab. Can someone give me some more info on this? Thank you AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO The INSLAW CASE: AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA In Re: INSLAW, INC., Debtor. CASE NO. 85-00070 (Chapter 11) INSLAW, INC., Plaintiff v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Defendants. CASE NO. 85-00070 Adversary Proceeding NO. 86-0069 AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO STATE OF WASHINGTON) I, MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO, being duly sworn, do hereby state as follows: 1. During the early 1980's, I served as the Director of Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians in Indio, California. The joint venture was located on the Cabazon reservation. 2. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture sought to develop and/or manufacture certain materials that are used in military and national security operations, including night vision goggles, machine guns, fuel-air explosives, and biological and chemical warfare weapons. EXHIBIT 1 3. The Cabazon Band of Indians are a sovereign nation. The sovereign immunity that is accorded the Cabazons as a consequence of this fact made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabazon Indians also provided the Wackenhut Corporation with an enhanced ability to obtain federal contracts through the 8A Set Aside Program, and in connection with Government-owned contractor-operated (GOCO) facilities. 4. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture was intended to support the needs of a number of foreign governments and forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East. The Contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important priorities for the joint venture. 5. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture maintained close liaison with certain elements of the United States Government, including representatives of intelligence, military and law enforcement agencies. 6. Among the frequent visitors to the Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture were Peter Videnieks of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and a close associate of Videnieks by the name of Earl W. Brian. Brian is a private businessman who lives in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the U.S. intelligence community for many years. 7. In connection with my work for Wackenhut, I engaged in some software development and modification work in 1983 and 1984 on the proprietary PROMIS computer software product. The copy of PROMIS on which I worked came from the Department of Justice. Earl W. Brian made it available to me through Wackenhut after acquiring it from Peter Videnieks, who was then a Department of Justice contracting official with responsibility for
Re: Anti-RFID outfit deflates Mexican VeriChip hype
R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] forwarded: Promoting implanted RFID devices as a security measure is downright 'loco,' says Katherine Albrecht. Advertising you've got a chip in your arm that opens important doors is an invitation to kidnapping and mutilation. Since kidnapping is sort of an unofficial national sport in Mexico (or at least Mexico City), this is particularly apropos. An implanted RFID seems to be just asking for an express kidnap, something more traditionally used to get money from ATMs. Peter.
Re: Unintended Consequences
Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried, years before _UC_ came out, to get some friends to name their daughter Chlamydia. They didn't know what the word meant, but for some reason didn't trust my advice. Nor did they like Pudenda. One of the characters in Hercules Returns is called Labia, and lives in the town of Chlamydia. There are a number of other characters with similar names. Peter.
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
Bobhood is never a light burden, as I'm sure RAH can attest --bob Tyler Durden wrote: I thought JR Bob Dobbs got beamed up to that comet with those LA Koolaid kooks... -TD From: R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Word Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:42:01 -0500 word You want me to say what I mean. You expect me to not waste your time, but you dont know why I am here yet. So I tell you that I am here to show you something interesting in words. You can be sure that I'm only talking about words and not about things that matter. You know the difference, between words and things that matter, just like I do. Sometimes when people get to using fancy words, they forget the difference. Between you and me - we'll speak plainly - the country needs more clarity, 'cause we cant afford to forget what matters. We may not agree on much, but I'm certain that you really do see how there's stuff that matters. I respect you for this. No doubt we can agree that it's frustrating at times, to talk with smart asses who lack this common sense. Maybe you haven't felt like knocking some sense into this sort of fool, but I bet you know what I mean. Like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him talk plain. So I've been thinking that maybe I can take a crack at translating their alien thinking, some of their expert science and philosophy mumbo jumbo to real talk. The Lord knows, we cant hope to make sense of all the babble. If you can give me a bit more of your time, I do believe that I can hook you up with a practical explanation for why those brainy idiots keep going on and on. They get themselves all worked up to a dizzy, trying to talk sense. Maybe we can do better. Wish me luck! --bob
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 20:42, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: Bobhood is never a light burden, as I'm sure RAH can attest Bobbittization would make the burden lighter.
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
Neil Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: To be bobbed is never the goal, but bobless fear steers the undifferentiated bob along conventional paths, to the abattoir Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Probably busy in his hilltop bunker fiddling with prion generators .cpunks write code
Re: Immediate Exception
On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 18:24, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: I''d dismiss the possibility that the universe exists for the express purpose of confounding me. Much evidence to the contrary. My life is sucking pretty bad lately, due to either a long series of fairly unlikely and uniformly unpleasant coincidences or else the machinations of a malevolent universe set up specifically to piss me off. Another possibility is that suggested by the other RAH, the cosmology which presents all of us as mere characters in the stories told by Authors, the multifarious and nefarious gods.
RE: Optical Tempest FAQ
IMHO, if you light up two or more other identical CRT's and have them display random junk it should throw enough noise to make it worthless - (and would put out enough similar RF to mess with RF tempest) there might be ways to filter the photons from the other monitors out, but, it would be difficult. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. /|\ \|/ :They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country /\|/\ --*--:and our people, and neither do we. -G. W. Bush, 2004.08.05 \/|\/ /|\ : \|/ + v + :War is Peace, freedom is slavery, Bush is President. - On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Interesting. Contrary to what I thought (or what has been discussed here), only a 'scalar' of detected light is needed, not a vector. In other words, merely measuring overall radiated intensity over time seems to be sufficient to recover the message. This means that certain types of diffusive materials will not necessarily mitigate against this kind of eavesdropping. However, his discussion would indicate that the various practical concerns and limitations probably limit this to very niche-type applications...I'd bet that it's very rare when such a trechnique is both needed as well as useful, given the time, the subject and the place. -TD From: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Optical Tempest FAQ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:27:04 -0500 (est) http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/emsec/optical-faq.html Along with tips and examples. Enjoy, and don't use a CRT in the dark. :-)
RE: Jewish wholy words..
Just remember this [C]Hanu[k]ka[h] that the Macabbees were terrorists from the POV of the dominant hegemony... Oh, but the [solstice-coopted 'holiday'] is about someone topping off oil, not about rebellion against domination. Ooops. Nope, no parallels here.
Re: Tenet calls for Internet security
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 20:57 -0500, R.A. Hettinga quoted: The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said. Yessiree, he sure knows how he wants it done, too!
Tenet calls for Internet security
Now... Try not to laugh, here... MMMGGGPPPFBWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Heh... Yes, well... Sorry about that. Carry on. Cheers, RAH --- http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20041201-114750-6381r The Washington Times www.washingtontimes.com Tenet calls for Internet security By Shaun Waterman UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL Published December 2, 2004 Former CIA Director George J. Tenet yesterday called for new security measures to guard against attacks on the United States that use the Internet, which he called a potential Achilles' heel. I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or accountability, he told an information-technology security conference in Washington, but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and control. The former CIA director said telecommunications -- and specifically the Internet -- are a back door through which terrorists and other enemies of the United States could attack the country, even though great strides have been made in securing the physical infrastructure. The Internet represents a potential Achilles' heel for our financial stability and physical security if the networks we are creating are not protected, Mr. Tenet said. He said known adversaries, including intelligence services, military organizations and non-state actors, are researching information attacks against the United States. Within the federal government, the Department of Homeland Security has the lead role in protecting the Internet from terrorism. But the department's head of cyber-security recently quit amid reports that he had clashed with his superiors. Mr. Tenet, who retired in July as director of the CIA after seven years, warned that al Qaeda remains a sophisticated group, even though its first-tier leadership largely has been destroyed. It is undoubtedly mapping vulnerabilities and weaknesses in our telecommunications networks, he said. Mr. Tenet pointed out that the modernization of key industries in the United States is making them more vulnerable by connecting them with an Internet that is open to attack. The way the Internet was built might be part of the problem, he said. Its open architecture allows Web surfing, but that openness makes the system vulnerable, Mr. Tenet said. Access to networks like the World Wide Web might need to be limited to those who can show they take security seriously, he said. Mr. Tenet called for industry to lead the way by establishing and enforcing security standards. Products need to be delivered to government and private-sector customers with a new level of security and risk management already built in. The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
[Interest] FWD: The last crusade of the Templars
I've liked to joke that, because of their encrypted passbook accounting and payment system, a way for holy-land pilgrims to deposit money in Europe, deduct amounts from an encrypted document for Templar-sponsored passage, hostelry, etc., en route, and collect the remainder on arrival in Jerusalem, that the Templars were the original financial cryptographers. :-). More seriously, it was operating this kind of medieval Western Union cum Brinks cum Wells Fargo cum Hilton, which not only allowed them to effectively transfer the asset value of whatever booty they may have acquired in their early days back home, but also to make the lion's share of the money they were eventually disbanded for... Cheers, RAH Who put a Templar's Square maths puzzle on the IBUC shirt at the first EFCE conference in Edinburgh because of Roslyn Chapel, just outside of town, and who, coincidentally, has spent the last 16 years in the Boston neighborhood of Roslindale, the former home of a large, discrete, Masonic temple, speaking of punters who think they're modern Templars... --- --- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:40:07 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Interest] FWD: The last crusade of the Templars Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1379629,00.html November 29, 2004 The last crusade of the Templars By Ruth Gledhill The knights want a Papal apology nearly 700 years after they were disbanded and hounded into exile THE VATICAN is giving serious consideration to apologising for the persecution that led to the suppression of the Knights Templar. The suppression, which began on Friday , October 13, 1307, gave Friday the Thirteenth its superstitious legacy. A Templar Order in Britain that claims to be descended from the original Knights Templar has asked that the Pope should make the apology. The Templars, based in Hertford, are hoping for an apology by 2007, the 700th anniversary of the start of the persecution, which culminated with the torture and burning at the stake of the Grand Master Jacques de Molay for heresy and the dissolution of the Order by apostolic decree in 1312. The letter, signed by the Secretary of the Council of Chaplains on behalf of the Grand Master of the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon Grand Preceptory, with a PO box address in Hertford, formally requests an apology for the torture and murder of our leadership, instigated by Pope Clement V. We shall witness the 700th anniversary of the persecution of our order on 13th October 2007, the letter says. It would be just and fitting for the Vatican to acknowledge our grievance in advance of this day of mourning. Apologies have already been made by the Roman Catholic Church for the persecution of Galileo and for the Crusades. The Templars hope that these precedents will make their suit more likely to succeed. Hertford Templar Tim Acheson, who is descended from the Scottish Acheson family that has established Templar links and whose family lived until recently in Bailey Hall, Hertford, said: This letter is a serious attempt by a Templar group which traces its roots back to the medieval Order to solicit an apology from the Papacy. He added: The Papacy and the Kingdom of France conspired to destroy the Order for reasons which modern historians judge to be primarily political. Their methods and motives are now universally regarded as brutal, unfair and unjustified. The Knights Templar officially ceased to exist in the early 1300s, but the order continued underground. It was a huge organisation and the vast majority of Templars survived the persecution, including most of their leaders, along with much of their treasure and, most importantly, their original values and traditions. The Hertford Mercury newspaper has reported newly discovered Templar links with Hertford, including a warren of tunnels beneath the town. At the heart of the maze of tunnels is Hertford Castle, where in 1309 four Templars from Temple Dinsley near Hitchin were imprisoned after their arrest by Edward II, who believed that they were holding a lost treasure. The treasure was never found. When Subterranea Britannica, a group of amateur archaeologists, expressed an interest in investigating Hertfords tunnels last month, they received anonymous threats telling them not to. The Templars captured Jerusalem during the Crusades and were known as keepers of the Holy Grail, said to be the cup used at the Last Supper or as the receptacle used by Joseph of Arimathea to catch Christs blood as he bled on the Cross, or both. Interest in the Templars and the Holy Grail is at an unprecedented high after the success of books such as The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown, and the earlier Holy Blood Holy Grail, by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln, which claimed that Jesus survived the crucifixion and settled in France. The Knights Templar were
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
Steve Furlong wrote: On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 20:42, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: Bobhood is never a light burden, as I'm sure RAH can attest Bobbittization would make the burden lighter. To be bobbed is never the goal, but bobless fear steers the undifferentiated bob along conventional paths, to the abattoir
Re: Optical Tempest FAQ
Well, the first one's a little Hey this is scary give us some grant money-ish. This has zero impact on real-world telecom systems in terms of detecting actual payloads BUT detecting some of the management channel info (via the external DS1 management channel) could actually matter in some cases. I'm still waiting for someone to put a trojan into the telecom control channels causing them to randomly reprovision themselves. That could have an impact that far exceeds mere PR... -TD From: Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Optical Tempest FAQ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:39:33 -0700 On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:01:57 -0500, Dave Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In fact the greater hazard may sometimes be from red, yellow or green LEDs on the front of equipment that are directly driven with real data in order to allow troubleshooting - recovering data from one of those at a distance using a good telescope may be possible and most people don't think of the gentle flicker of the LED as carrying actual information that could be intercepted. Like this classic. Was just as much fun to reread as it was the first time. :) http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:YdHPMAbPMeAJ:www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf+black+tape+over+modem+lights+tempesthl=enclient=firefox http://www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: Optical Tempest FAQ
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:32:09PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: However, his discussion would indicate that the various practical concerns and limitations probably limit this to very niche-type applications...I'd bet that it's very rare when such a trechnique is both needed as well as useful, given the time, the subject and the place. -TD The big problem with this technology (and classic Van Eck electromagnetic interception too) is that more and more folks are using LCD screens or other display devices that do not do single thread raster scans of what they are displaying. Thus no single signal exists to detect with all the pixels of the image in it. In fact the greater hazard may sometimes be from red, yellow or green LEDs on the front of equipment that are directly driven with real data in order to allow troubleshooting - recovering data from one of those at a distance using a good telescope may be possible and most people don't think of the gentle flicker of the LED as carrying actual information that could be intercepted. -- Dave Emery N1PRE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
At 8:06 AM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Nah, this is mere Younglish wierdness. You have to talk about useless eaters to be totally mayified... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA When I was your age we didn't have Tim May! We had to be paranoid on our own! And we were grateful! --Alan Olsen
Hawala != Halal
At 09:07 AM 12/1/04 -0500, Steve Furlong wrote: On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 21:36, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Halal was deemed a terrorist weapon, and contrary to the treasury's policies, game over. Hawala Yep, sorry, I've got templegrandin.com on the brain. Only PETA thinks Halal is a terrorist, or at least carnivorous, weapon.
