Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
At 02:20 PM 2/15/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... They will be testing another missile soon. We shall see how far it goes. They would not waste a nuke on an untested missile --- which is why they test them. If their goal is to blackmail us into not invading them, I don't think they need to threaten to nuke LA or DC. We have a lot of troops in South Korea, within a few miles of the border. They can threaten them, or maybe threaten Tokyo or Seoul. No need to develop multi-billion dollar technology, when 1940s era fission bombs are all that's needed. If their goal is to extort money from us (this looks like the most likely goal), they have a somewhat different set of requirements. Then, their threat is really going to be about proliferation. They announce they have nukes, and make it clear that either we buy them, or someone else will be given the chance. The saber-rattling serves both to communicate the threat and to advertise for buyers. James A. Donald --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
At 02:20 PM 2/15/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... They will be testing another missile soon. We shall see how far it goes. They would not waste a nuke on an untested missile --- which is why they test them. If their goal is to blackmail us into not invading them, I don't think they need to threaten to nuke LA or DC. We have a lot of troops in South Korea, within a few miles of the border. They can threaten them, or maybe threaten Tokyo or Seoul. No need to develop multi-billion dollar technology, when 1940s era fission bombs are all that's needed. If their goal is to extort money from us (this looks like the most likely goal), they have a somewhat different set of requirements. Then, their threat is really going to be about proliferation. They announce they have nukes, and make it clear that either we buy them, or someone else will be given the chance. The saber-rattling serves both to communicate the threat and to advertise for buyers. James A. Donald --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote: But this did not fit the saber-rattling, so Tenet lied. Someday he will go before a firing squad. What kind of drugs are you on Tim? He'll get away with it, just like every body else has. Look at Poindexter!! If anyone needed a firing squad, he's a prime candidate, and yet he's in charge of spying on *you*. I think the duct tape has pushed everyone one over the edge now, nobody believes anything coming out of washington dc. So Tenet's lies don't even register. And that's part of the reason he'll get away with this bullshit. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
This is what we need to fight. And this was, and perhaps still is, the promises of unlinkable credentials, of untraceable digital cash, and of True Names. Crypto anarchy is needed now more than ever. There are hardly battlegrounds available. Software runs on machines big ones make, bits travel on wires owned by the big few, and DMCA/TCPA/BLAHBLAH or not, it is harder and harder for any crypto to parasite on top of that, at least when sheeple is concerned. Crypto has deferred benefits and thus is beyond grasp in the world of short attention span where immediate gratification rules. The *only* way to impose crypto on the masses is not through anarchy but by organised force - a state could do it. Guess when it will happen. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Morlock Elloi wrote: This is what we need to fight. And this was, and perhaps still is, the promises of unlinkable credentials, of untraceable digital cash, and of True Names. Crypto anarchy is needed now more than ever. There are hardly battlegrounds available. Software runs on machines big ones make, bits travel on wires owned by the big few, and DMCA/TCPA/BLAHBLAH or not, it is harder and harder for any crypto to parasite on top of that, at least when sheeple is concerned. Crypto has deferred benefits and thus is beyond grasp in the world of short attention span where immediate gratification rules. The *only* way to impose crypto on the masses is not through anarchy but by organised force - a state could do it. Guess when it will happen. Crypto isn't something the masses have to have, or want, or use, any more than drugs are something the masses have to have, want, or use. And like drugs, those who want crypto will find ways to get it, use it. And like drugs, this is so even if the big ones, to use your weird phrasing, own the highways and the airlines and the drug stores. Anarchy is actually all around us. We've talked about this many times. --Tim May
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
-- On 14 Feb 2003 at 20:30, Tim May wrote: Whether people agree with my views or not, I expect that if I am arrested and charged with something I'll get coverage in some parts of the press, and maybe even some support from the commies and socialists in the civil rights alphabet soup around D.C. You are too soft on communism. Recall what happened with Randy Weaver. Seems to me that the pinkos stand only for pinko speech. Wiping out only a few intruders is sort of a waste, though. I would be more honored if there were a practical way I could exterminate thousands at a time. But I am not a military or explosives expert of any kind, so this is not really possible. I will, however, cheer if a thermonuclear weapon exterminates millions of burrowcrats in D.C. Trouble is, west coast might be in reach of North Korea, east coast is not. They will be testing another missile soon. We shall see how far it goes. They would not waste a nuke on an untested missile --- which is why they test them. I think a liquid fueled top stage, and a bit of tuning up on the rocket motors of all three stages, would bring Washington in reach. Of course retuning the rocket motors will require quite a few tests, which requires quite a bit of money, and their major source of income is shaking down aid agency workers. They used to get substantial income by renting and selling slave laborers to regimes that make extensive use of slave labor, but with the spread of capitalism, the regime has suffered a shattering loss of this income source. Unless they find a major alternate income source -- (I suggest they follow Castro and go into the sex trade) -- they have little hope of being able to reach Washington for some time. I hear that Castro no longer encourages sex acts with children (though the last time I visited Cuba it was open for business). This provides a gap in the market that North Korea might profitably fill. another possibility is that North Korea might simply sell nukes. Trouble is, Bin Laden is more likely to use them on Hollywood and New York, which he sees as Jew central, than on Washington. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG uiZiEjO95FxTeiMKMVdRJWhz4aA8aiyXg5robB1O 4hSIDs1M/EEsg1tg9XPSN672+2gUYMy1JvcaEymHs
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 02:20 PM, James A. Donald wrote: Trouble is, west coast might be in reach of North Korea, east coast is not. They will be testing another missile soon. We shall see how far it goes. They would not waste a nuke on an untested missile --- which is why they test them. 1. Ballistic trajectories are very sensitive to the earth's exact shape, including mascons along the precise path (nearly under it). The U.S. spent tens of billions carefully launching satellites and mapping the mascons and shape, and even accounting for exact moon and sun positions at every launch time. While the Koreans could maybe buy some of this data from Russia, the trajectory from DPRK is different from that of the missile fields in Russia. In other words, their missiles would deviate by tens of miles even if they made it. 2. Missiles also depend on a myriad of other technologies, none of which the DPRK has. Precision gyroscopes, precision thrusters, guidance computers. For launching inaccurately for a few hundred miles, simple guidance systems and 1955-era rocket technology is OK. But not for suborbital flights. 3. They may have enough U-235 and Pu-239 for a crude, dirty, semi-fizzling bomb, but not the knowhow to shrink it to the size where they could loft it transcontinentally. George Tenet of the CIA was irresponsible, perhaps criminally, in lying as he did. A wiser and more honest man would have snorted at the question and said Senators, it took us 10 years of testing, with all of our private aerospace expertise, and our free enterprise system, before we could successfully launch missiles. There is no way a North Korean rocket could hit West Coast targets. But this did not fit the saber-rattling, so Tenet lied. Someday he will go before a firing squad. --Tim May
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Bin Laden is more likely to use them on Hollywood and New York, which he sees as Jew central, than on Washington. I'd guess a little projection is going on here(?) though with lunatic ex-trots like Horrowitz,Schwartz,Costa and Hitchens for company anythings possible eh jim. My (amateur) profiling suggests that as they returned to the WTC to finish what they started so Binny Binny bang bang and his followers will return to DC.I would hope to see a dirty bomb take out all the 'dirty' fascist architecture around the centre of DC.Tims slavering racist fantasies bring a disgrace on those on this list that keep associating with this loser.I must admit though when you and Mongo makes asses of yrselves I get to shitcan you all over again and I do enjoy that. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/jamesd.html Saved to disc.
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
Tim Wrote: When I was accused of planting a bomb to blow up President Clinton, I told them to prove it. This sounds like an interesting story. Would you care to elaborate? Orwell had their number. And the technological powers have made the ever-expanding power grab more and more enticing, all in the name of protecting the homeland. There are two fundamental holes in our form of government that need to be plugged. The first is that the country has absolutely no protection against electing a lunatic to the presidency. Whomever the Sheeple toss into office is given control of the nuclear arsenal, the military, and foreign policy for four years. The Congress runs away scared of being called disloyal if they don't support him, and he may piss off and bully every other country in the world for any deranged reason, use military force on any whim, and faces impeachment only if he is caught in his workplace with an barely legal intern hoovering his zipper area. The second is that we have absolutely no protection against some area of government developing a critical mass of people having divided loyalties to some foreign power or ideology. The current combination of George W. Bush, the messianic nutjob who claims his favorite philosopher is Jesus Christ, and the critical mass of Likudniks who drive US Middle East policy, and have convinced Mad George that he is fighting on the side of God to save Judeo-Christian civilization itself, are what is driving this idiotic American crusade to steal the world's oil reserves, impose Pax Americana on the world, and create a Greater Israel. George W. Bush and Ariel Sharon, the Mental Patient and the War Criminal, driving American policy into the 21st Century. And while thermonuclear incineration of Washington DC and Tel Aviv is probably overkill in terms of correcting the problem, it would be nice to have some Constitutional mechanism for dealing with presidential insanity, and an administration topheavy with people who put the welfare of an overfunded offshore US military base mascarading as a nation ahead of what is best for the American people and the rest of the world. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Morlock Elloi wrote: This is what we need to fight. And this was, and perhaps still is, the promises of unlinkable credentials, of untraceable digital cash, and of True Names. Crypto anarchy is needed now more than ever. There are hardly battlegrounds available. Software runs on machines big ones make, bits travel on wires owned by the big few, and DMCA/TCPA/BLAHBLAH or not, it is harder and harder for any crypto to parasite on top of that, at least when sheeple is concerned. Crypto has deferred benefits and thus is beyond grasp in the world of short attention span where immediate gratification rules. The *only* way to impose crypto on the masses is not through anarchy but by organised force - a state could do it. Guess when it will happen. Crypto isn't something the masses have to have, or want, or use, any more than drugs are something the masses have to have, want, or use. And like drugs, those who want crypto will find ways to get it, use it. And like drugs, this is so even if the big ones, to use your weird phrasing, own the highways and the airlines and the drug stores. Anarchy is actually all around us. We've talked about this many times. --Tim May
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
This is what we need to fight. And this was, and perhaps still is, the promises of unlinkable credentials, of untraceable digital cash, and of True Names. Crypto anarchy is needed now more than ever. There are hardly battlegrounds available. Software runs on machines big ones make, bits travel on wires owned by the big few, and DMCA/TCPA/BLAHBLAH or not, it is harder and harder for any crypto to parasite on top of that, at least when sheeple is concerned. Crypto has deferred benefits and thus is beyond grasp in the world of short attention span where immediate gratification rules. The *only* way to impose crypto on the masses is not through anarchy but by organised force - a state could do it. Guess when it will happen. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
Tim Wrote: When I was accused of planting a bomb to blow up President Clinton, I told them to prove it. This sounds like an interesting story. Would you care to elaborate? Orwell had their number. And the technological powers have made the ever-expanding power grab more and more enticing, all in the name of protecting the homeland. There are two fundamental holes in our form of government that need to be plugged. The first is that the country has absolutely no protection against electing a lunatic to the presidency. Whomever the Sheeple toss into office is given control of the nuclear arsenal, the military, and foreign policy for four years. The Congress runs away scared of being called disloyal if they don't support him, and he may piss off and bully every other country in the world for any deranged reason, use military force on any whim, and faces impeachment only if he is caught in his workplace with an barely legal intern hoovering his zipper area. The second is that we have absolutely no protection against some area of government developing a critical mass of people having divided loyalties to some foreign power or ideology. The current combination of George W. Bush, the messianic nutjob who claims his favorite philosopher is Jesus Christ, and the critical mass of Likudniks who drive US Middle East policy, and have convinced Mad George that he is fighting on the side of God to save Judeo-Christian civilization itself, are what is driving this idiotic American crusade to steal the world's oil reserves, impose Pax Americana on the world, and create a Greater Israel. George W. Bush and Ariel Sharon, the Mental Patient and the War Criminal, driving American policy into the 21st Century. And while thermonuclear incineration of Washington DC and Tel Aviv is probably overkill in terms of correcting the problem, it would be nice to have some Constitutional mechanism for dealing with presidential insanity, and an administration topheavy with people who put the welfare of an overfunded offshore US military base mascarading as a nation ahead of what is best for the American people and the rest of the world. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
