Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Holy shit! I could done better than this! (ie, I THOUGHT this would be outrageous and amusing but it kinda sucked black prison dick.) -TD From: Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: 12 Jan 2003 20:55:51 - At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) As a matter of fact, I and Tim May regularly go nigger hunting in the hills, me with my SKS. Tim May is not so keen on those commie guns, and usually has a good old American AR15 Of course, in the hills around here there usually are no damned niggers, but sometimes we get a pig. Niggers are pretty rare. To catch a nigger, you need the right bait. The tricky thing is to lure a nigger out of his native haunts, to someplace far away and lonely with no one knowing where he went. Fortunately a friend of ours sometimes hires some nigger pussy to give him a good time in his house out in the woods. Then of course the lady tells her numerous boyfriends about all the good stuff he has, and pretty soon there are some niggers out to rob him. They usually get caught in one of his traps, and if a couple of days pass and it seems that no one is missing that nigger, I and Tim May have a it of fun killing it. It is not really as sporting as finding one in hills, so usually we torture it a bit then give it a short head start, track it through the hills by bloodstains, and then shoot it. There are quite a few entertaining ways of torturing a nigger before you kill it. Books are one of the best -- they have the same effect on a nigger as kryptonite on superman. _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
My thought was that James is some kind of Fed. I suspect Chomsky is one guy they most don't want around these days. His accusations on the Chomsky dis website were technicalities and hair-splitting, even somantic. Chomsky is an in-your-face fuckin' giant. And even if you don't agree wih his politics, ya GOTTA love a guy who is that much of a pain in the ass! And, wrt some issues of US national and foreign policy, he's totally all over dat shit. -TD Chomky's da MAN...enjoy him before he 'mysteriously' dies. From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:13:32 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. There is definitely a faction of this sort on this list, has always been. Will always be. I just lump the whole kit and kaboodle into the 'CACL Contingent'. May's one of the leaders of that contingent. He's into 'freedom for me, but not for thee'. BTW...You're not the guy with the Chomsky Dis website are you? He's the one who claims Chomsky is lying and then retracts the statement. What he's got is exactly what Chomsky called it 'a joke' (and I'm no big supporter of Chomsky, either his science or his politics). I'm still waiting for James to provide the other references he claims are on that page, but aren't. He claims to have done a thorough study of Chomsky's work and developed a list of bad references and such. Though he has steadfastly refused to share it with anyone (and it is -not- on that page as he has claimed on this list several times). I asked one (and ask again) what references in 'Deterring Democracy' are bogus? I'm still waiting for a clear, honest answer to that one. I suspect it is a futile wait. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 10:29:22PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 02:25 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: The hunting post was obviously a joke, as the final line made clear. The real joke was that some readers would fail to see that the first line was a joke, would believe that cypherpunks really do go hunting black people. Now, hunting black _helicopters_ is a different matter, you realize What is the recommened minimum caliber for taking one, and how does one get it to the taxidermist? -- As someone who has worked both in private industry and in | Quit smoking: academia, whenever I hear about academics wanting to teach | 268d, 13h ago ethics to people in business, I want to puke. | petro@ --Thomas Sowell. | bounty.org
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 18:09, Petro wrote: Now, hunting black _helicopters_ is a different matter, you realize What is the recommened minimum caliber for taking one, and how does one get it to the taxidermist? I don't have a copy of _Unintended Consequences_ handy, but I think Henry used a 20mm. The heli was pickled, not mounted. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
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-- On 14 Jan 2003 at 21:48, Tyler Durden wrote: My thought was that James is some kind of Fed. I suspect Chomsky is one guy they most don't want around these days. His accusations on the Chomsky dis website were technicalities and hair-splitting, even somantic. Liar: Chomsky claimed that : : such journals as the Far Eastern Economic Review, : : the London Economist, the Melbourne Journal of : : Politics, and others elsewhere, have provided : : analyses by highly qualified specialists who have : : studied the full range of evidence available, and : : who concluded that executions have numbered at most : : in the thousands But in fact the at most is Chomsky's lie, not present in the articles he cited. Someone who read the economist and the Far Eastern Economic Review at the time would rather have concluded that the death rate from brutality and mistreatment was many hundreds of thousands, likely over a million, and that the executions proabbly numbered at least a hundred thousand or so. According to Chomsky these highly qualified specialists also made :: repeated discoveries that massacre reports were :: false. Of course no such discoveries are to be found in the material he cites, and his article appeared shortly after the massacres reported by the refugees were devastatingly confirmed by when such a massacre occurred on the border. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Hbp33+OpO++a/lQY1xLV9c3yccNAe3n+c3apD50B 4tlZyjrzU1UNgJfno/6lepfIRPdedtsG1UAQ8tRVn
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
-- On 14 Jan 2003 at 21:48, Tyler Durden wrote: My thought was that James is some kind of Fed. I suspect Chomsky is one guy they most don't want around these days. His accusations on the Chomsky dis website were technicalities and hair-splitting, even somantic. Liar: Chomsky claimed that : : such journals as the Far Eastern Economic Review, : : the London Economist, the Melbourne Journal of : : Politics, and others elsewhere, have provided : : analyses by highly qualified specialists who have : : studied the full range of evidence available, and : : who concluded that executions have numbered at most : : in the thousands But in fact the at most is Chomsky's lie, not present in the articles he cited. Someone who read the economist and the Far Eastern Economic Review at the time would rather have concluded that the death rate from brutality and mistreatment was many hundreds of thousands, likely over a million, and that the executions proabbly numbered at least a hundred thousand or so. According to Chomsky these highly qualified specialists also made :: repeated discoveries that massacre reports were :: false. Of course no such discoveries are to be found in the material he cites, and his article appeared shortly after the massacres reported by the refugees were devastatingly confirmed by when such a massacre occurred on the border. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Hbp33+OpO++a/lQY1xLV9c3yccNAe3n+c3apD50B 4tlZyjrzU1UNgJfno/6lepfIRPdedtsG1UAQ8tRVn
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 10:22:12AM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: Any time you post to a list of a bunch of people you don't know, you might be posting to a list of a bunch of people you don't like. Reading the archives sometimes helps. A (hopefully) helpful hint for the newcomers to this list: Bill is usually the voice of reason and of patience here. Pay attention when he posts. YMMV... Whereas Choate is usually the voice of unreason and impatience. Pay no attention when he posts. -- The difference between math and physics is the difference| Quit smoking: between masturbation and sex.| 268d, 13h ago --Paul Tomblin | petro@ | bounty.org
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 10:29:22PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 02:25 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: The hunting post was obviously a joke, as the final line made clear. The real joke was that some readers would fail to see that the first line was a joke, would believe that cypherpunks really do go hunting black people. Now, hunting black _helicopters_ is a different matter, you realize What is the recommened minimum caliber for taking one, and how does one get it to the taxidermist? -- As someone who has worked both in private industry and in | Quit smoking: academia, whenever I hear about academics wanting to teach | 268d, 13h ago ethics to people in business, I want to puke. | petro@ --Thomas Sowell. | bounty.org
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 18:09, Petro wrote: Now, hunting black _helicopters_ is a different matter, you realize What is the recommened minimum caliber for taking one, and how does one get it to the taxidermist? I don't have a copy of _Unintended Consequences_ handy, but I think Henry used a 20mm. The heli was pickled, not mounted. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
At 02:25 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: The hunting post was obviously a joke, as the final line made clear. The real joke was that some readers would fail to see that the first line was a joke, would believe that cypherpunks really do go hunting black people. Now, hunting black _helicopters_ is a different matter, you realize
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
My thought was that James is some kind of Fed. I suspect Chomsky is one guy they most don't want around these days. His accusations on the Chomsky dis website were technicalities and hair-splitting, even somantic. Chomsky is an in-your-face fuckin' giant. And even if you don't agree wih his politics, ya GOTTA love a guy who is that much of a pain in the ass! And, wrt some issues of US national and foreign policy, he's totally all over dat shit. -TD Chomky's da MAN...enjoy him before he 'mysteriously' dies. From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:13:32 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. There is definitely a faction of this sort on this list, has always been. Will always be. I just lump the whole kit and kaboodle into the 'CACL Contingent'. May's one of the leaders of that contingent. He's into 'freedom for me, but not for thee'. BTW...You're not the guy with the Chomsky Dis website are you? He's the one who claims Chomsky is lying and then retracts the statement. What he's got is exactly what Chomsky called it 'a joke' (and I'm no big supporter of Chomsky, either his science or his politics). I'm still waiting for James to provide the other references he claims are on that page, but aren't. He claims to have done a thorough study of Chomsky's work and developed a list of bad references and such. Though he has steadfastly refused to share it with anyone (and it is -not- on that page as he has claimed on this list several times). I asked one (and ask again) what references in 'Deterring Democracy' are bogus? I'm still waiting for a clear, honest answer to that one. I suspect it is a futile wait. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Holy shit! I could done better than this! (ie, I THOUGHT this would be outrageous and amusing but it kinda sucked black prison dick.) -TD From: Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: 12 Jan 2003 20:55:51 - At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) As a matter of fact, I and Tim May regularly go nigger hunting in the hills, me with my SKS. Tim May is not so keen on those commie guns, and usually has a good old American AR15 Of course, in the hills around here there usually are no damned niggers, but sometimes we get a pig. Niggers are pretty rare. To catch a nigger, you need the right bait. The tricky thing is to lure a nigger out of his native haunts, to someplace far away and lonely with no one knowing where he went. Fortunately a friend of ours sometimes hires some nigger pussy to give him a good time in his house out in the woods. Then of course the lady tells her numerous boyfriends about all the good stuff he has, and pretty soon there are some niggers out to rob him. They usually get caught in one of his traps, and if a couple of days pass and it seems that no one is missing that nigger, I and Tim May have a it of fun killing it. It is not really as sporting as finding one in hills, so usually we torture it a bit then give it a short head start, track it through the hills by bloodstains, and then shoot it. There are quite a few entertaining ways of torturing a nigger before you kill it. Books are one of the best -- they have the same effect on a nigger as kryptonite on superman. _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out... As usual, no intellectual response from the mental cadaver of a once-relevant writer :-) What *was* your point in redistributing the nigger killing post from Cypherpunks, in the digital bearer settlement list? Does that have something to do with digital cash, or enhance your IBUC business somehow? Maybe, increasing traffic by being cool and shocking? Jim Bell's assassination politics story was such a successful business gimmick for him, maybe you guys are still hoping some variation on that, will bring fame and glory, or help kick-start your digital cash companies? Just tell me why there's so many posts about guns, killing, racism, liberty and all that crap, when all we need is a decent electronic money system. Todd At 05:40 AM 1/13/2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 5:04 PM -0800 on 1/12/03, Todd Boyle wrote: This is supposed to be a Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED]. snip... For that matter, is there any conceptual association between killing people, and payments with digital currencies? What's your point snip... I thought you had some goals snip... Thank you for your input. Don't let the door hit you on the way out... Cheers, RAH Who thinks that throw the bastards out is a viable, or at least long-running, thread in this business, no matter what one thinks about peoples' suggestions of method, and who has long ago stopped being shocked about those suggestions, anonymous or otherwise... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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At 5:04 PM -0800 on 1/12/03, Todd Boyle wrote: This is supposed to be a Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED]. snip... For that matter, is there any conceptual association between killing people, and payments with digital currencies? What's your point snip... I thought you had some goals snip... Thank you for your input. Don't let the door hit you on the way out... Cheers, RAH Who thinks that throw the bastards out is a viable, or at least long-running, thread in this business, no matter what one thinks about peoples' suggestions of method, and who has long ago stopped being shocked about those suggestions, anonymous or otherwise... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Don't let the door hit you on the way out... As usual, no intellectual response from the mental cadaver of a once-relevant writer :-) What *was* your point in redistributing the nigger killing post from Cypherpunks, in the digital bearer settlement list? Does that have something to do with digital cash, or enhance your IBUC business somehow? Maybe, increasing traffic by being cool and shocking? Jim Bell's assassination politics story was such a successful business gimmick for him, maybe you guys are still hoping some variation on that, will bring fame and glory, or help kick-start your digital cash companies? Just tell me why there's so many posts about guns, killing, racism, liberty and all that crap, when all we need is a decent electronic money system. Todd At 05:40 AM 1/13/2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 5:04 PM -0800 on 1/12/03, Todd Boyle wrote: This is supposed to be a Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED]. snip... For that matter, is there any conceptual association between killing people, and payments with digital currencies? What's your point snip... I thought you had some goals snip... Thank you for your input. Don't let the door hit you on the way out... Cheers, RAH Who thinks that throw the bastards out is a viable, or at least long-running, thread in this business, no matter what one thinks about peoples' suggestions of method, and who has long ago stopped being shocked about those suggestions, anonymous or otherwise... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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-- On 13 Jan 2003 at 12:30, Todd Boyle wrote: What *was* your point in redistributing the nigger killing post from Cypherpunks, in the digital bearer settlement list? Does that have something to do with digital cash, or enhance your IBUC business somehow? Maybe, increasing traffic by being cool and shocking? Tim May pulled people's legs -- some sucker took it seriously, so someone decided to pull a little harder to see how much a sucker would swallow. The hunting post was obviously a joke, as the final line made clear. The real joke was that some readers would fail to see that the first line was a joke, would believe that cypherpunks really do go hunting black people. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG VZWpdVuMGJXwD+8kUsrx9HO13zFp6hwvFIsezAEw 414DzHlNJd+xhIFwTZwjjprhbh3YCmMrWCkNV4SM5
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 12:30:48PM -0800, Todd Boyle wrote: (snip) Just tell me why there's so many posts about guns, killing, racism, liberty and all that crap, when all we need is a decent electronic money system. Just tell me why you're complaining about this on the cpunx list? Guns and killing are endemic here, you have a problem with that, unsub. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: Any time you post to a list of a bunch of people you don't know, you might be posting to a list of a bunch of people you don't like. Reading the archives sometimes helps. A (hopefully) helpful hint for the newcomers to this list: Bill is usually the voice of reason and of patience here. Pay attention when he posts. YMMV... -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org
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Regarding Tim May, Tyler Durden, and Anonymous's stupid thread, Robert, why are you reposting this shit? This is supposed to be a Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Is killing blacks, or racism, a commonly held belief or practice, in the digital settlement industry? Is this somehow, like, business enhancing for you, in IBUC? For that matter, is there any conceptual association between killing people, and payments with digital currencies? What's your point, in mirroring the worst of the crypto lists? There's plenty of good stuff there... are you doing this to be cool? For the shock value or something? What are you doin? Just entertaining yourself? Whiling away the years? I thought you had some goals, or purpose, in what you're doing. Todd At 02:20 PM 1/12/2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:30:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer wrote: At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) As a matter of fact, I and Tim May regularly go nigger hunting in the hills, me with my SKS. Tim May is not so keen on those commie guns, and usually has a good old American AR15 Though I often favor a eurotrash FN-FAL. As for being crypto-white, the Zionist slur used by Seymour Goldstein, er, Tyler Durden, he must be confusing me with my group, the Crypto Whites Foundation. www.cryptowhites.org is devoted to making strong privacy and crypto tools available to oppressed persons of whiteness in Europe, America, and ZOG-occupied Palestine. Donations to support my salary are welcome. --Tim May --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. There is definitely a faction of this sort on this list, has always been. Will always be. I just lump the whole kit and kaboodle into the 'CACL Contingent'. May's one of the leaders of that contingent. He's into 'freedom for me, but not for thee'. BTW...You're not the guy with the Chomsky Dis website are you? He's the one who claims Chomsky is lying and then retracts the statement. What he's got is exactly what Chomsky called it 'a joke' (and I'm no big supporter of Chomsky, either his science or his politics). I'm still waiting for James to provide the other references he claims are on that page, but aren't. He claims to have done a thorough study of Chomsky's work and developed a list of bad references and such. Though he has steadfastly refused to share it with anyone (and it is -not- on that page as he has claimed on this list several times). I asked one (and ask again) what references in 'Deterring Democracy' are bogus? I'm still waiting for a clear, honest answer to that one. I suspect it is a futile wait. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org
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At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) As a matter of fact, I and Tim May regularly go nigger hunting in the hills, me with my SKS. Tim May is not so keen on those commie guns, and usually has a good old American AR15 Of course, in the hills around here there usually are no damned niggers, but sometimes we get a pig. Niggers are pretty rare. To catch a nigger, you need the right bait. The tricky thing is to lure a nigger out of his native haunts, to someplace far away and lonely with no one knowing where he went. Fortunately a friend of ours sometimes hires some nigger pussy to give him a good time in his house out in the woods. Then of course the lady tells her numerous boyfriends about all the good stuff he has, and pretty soon there are some niggers out to rob him. They usually get caught in one of his traps, and if a couple of days pass and it seems that no one is missing that nigger, I and Tim May have a it of fun killing it. It is not really as sporting as finding one in hills, so usually we torture it a bit then give it a short head start, track it through the hills by bloodstains, and then shoot it. There are quite a few entertaining ways of torturing a nigger before you kill it. Books are one of the best -- they have the same effect on a nigger as kryptonite on superman.
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer wrote: At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) As a matter of fact, I and Tim May regularly go nigger hunting in the hills, me with my SKS. Tim May is not so keen on those commie guns, and usually has a good old American AR15 Though I often favor a eurotrash FN-FAL. As for being crypto-white, the Zionist slur used by Seymour Goldstein, er, Tyler Durden, he must be confusing me with my group, the Crypto Whites Foundation. www.cryptowhites.org is devoted to making strong privacy and crypto tools available to oppressed persons of whiteness in Europe, America, and ZOG-occupied Palestine. Donations to support my salary are welcome. --Tim May
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Regarding Tim May, Tyler Durden, and Anonymous's stupid thread, Robert, why are you reposting this shit? This is supposed to be a Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Is killing blacks, or racism, a commonly held belief or practice, in the digital settlement industry? Is this somehow, like, business enhancing for you, in IBUC? For that matter, is there any conceptual association between killing people, and payments with digital currencies? What's your point, in mirroring the worst of the crypto lists? There's plenty of good stuff there... are you doing this to be cool? For the shock value or something? What are you doin? Just entertaining yourself? Whiling away the years? I thought you had some goals, or purpose, in what you're doing. Todd At 02:20 PM 1/12/2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:30:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer wrote: At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) As a matter of fact, I and Tim May regularly go nigger hunting in the hills, me with my SKS. Tim May is not so keen on those commie guns, and usually has a good old American AR15 Though I often favor a eurotrash FN-FAL. As for being crypto-white, the Zionist slur used by Seymour Goldstein, er, Tyler Durden, he must be confusing me with my group, the Crypto Whites Foundation. www.cryptowhites.org is devoted to making strong privacy and crypto tools available to oppressed persons of whiteness in Europe, America, and ZOG-occupied Palestine. Donations to support my salary are welcome. --Tim May --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: Any time you post to a list of a bunch of people you don't know, you might be posting to a list of a bunch of people you don't like. Reading the archives sometimes helps. A (hopefully) helpful hint for the newcomers to this list: Bill is usually the voice of reason and of patience here. Pay attention when he posts. -MW-
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On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 01:46 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. Any time you post to a list of a bunch of people you don't know, you might be posting to a list of a bunch of people you don't like. Reading the archives sometimes helps. Amusing to see the pun made by this Tyler Durden tentacle, his crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). Gee, why didn't some of us think of this sort of pun on crypto? Oh, I did. Fifteen years ago. Duh. Do a Google search on the term crypto-anarchy, with modifiers like crypto-fascist and Buckley to disambiguate. Tyler Durden _really_ needs to read the archives. His cluelessness is getting tiresome, even from his residency in my filter file. --Tim May, Corralitos, California Quote of the Month: It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks. --Cathy Young, Reason Magazine, both enemies of liberty.
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At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. Any time you post to a list of a bunch of people you don't know, you might be posting to a list of a bunch of people you don't like. Reading the archives sometimes helps. It's certainly likely to clarify whether everybody on the list agrees with everybody else on everything, unless you think that the arguments here are robo-generated to make it _look_ like we're not all really just different tentacles of Tim May, the Medusa of Crime. (Or was Tim really a tentacle of Eric? At this point I've forgotten :-)
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Some guy wrote You are moron. Care to be a little more specific? (I'm not afraid of a little criticism, particularly if its constructive.) Even if true, I don't see how that comment pertains to my reply. For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. BTW...You're not the guy with the Chomsky Dis website are you? -TD _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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At 9:17 AM -0800 on 1/9/03, Bill Stewart wrote: I've usually been the one wearing the fedora in cooler weather, and a few people wore Red Hats back in the day. Don't ever do it without your fez on? :-). Cheers, RAH Not that a fez would work very well for that kind of thing. Well, not *that* kind of fez. For *that* kind of thing, anyway. Yes, well -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Some guy wrote You are moron. Care to be a little more specific? (I'm not afraid of a little criticism, particularly if its constructive.) Even if true, I don't see how that comment pertains to my reply. For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. BTW...You're not the guy with the Chomsky Dis website are you? -TD _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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At 03:14 PM 01/08/2003 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 11:34 PM 1/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. Kilts for men (over the knee, please, and not for aesthetics). Hoop-skirts for women. A heavy backpack carried asymmetrically (for extra fun, use a canteen where the sloshing water messes with your physics). www.utilikilts.com for the practical but less traditional kilts. And computer bags can be pretty asymmetrical, even if you don't have the new 6.8 pound 17 Macintosh AluminumBook.
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SIgh. Although I read May's Crypto Anarchy piece and liked it, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that he's just another dimwitted fascist who by accident had a few interesting ideas. You're Guilty for Not Doing Your Homework. Mr. May's views on sick, disabled, niggers and women are available to everyone with access to usenet archives, which means everyone. For example, type this: 'disabled author:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (sans quotes) in with all of the words field at http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search and you'll get the idea. It doesn't mean that I don't credit him for efforts in other areas. People are too complex to be classified on one aspect only. Would I fuck a beautiful female republican ? Most certainly. Even Bush saying sensible things doesn't make them wrong.
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On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 22:10 Europe/London, Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people hailing from Northern India Turks I would imagine so since ironically the Aryans came from what is now Northern India and Iran up to about 1000BC. The word is even derived from Sanskrit. Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was). -- Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote: Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was). Or better, what it is :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
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At 9:17 AM -0800 on 1/9/03, Bill Stewart wrote: I've usually been the one wearing the fedora in cooler weather, and a few people wore Red Hats back in the day. Don't ever do it without your fez on? :-). Cheers, RAH Not that a fez would work very well for that kind of thing. Well, not *that* kind of fez. For *that* kind of thing, anyway. Yes, well -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Cypherpunk fashions for the New Ashcroft Era (Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary)
At 03:14 PM 01/08/2003 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 11:34 PM 1/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. Kilts for men (over the knee, please, and not for aesthetics). Hoop-skirts for women. A heavy backpack carried asymmetrically (for extra fun, use a canteen where the sloshing water messes with your physics). www.utilikilts.com for the practical but less traditional kilts. And computer bags can be pretty asymmetrical, even if you don't have the new 6.8 pound 17 Macintosh AluminumBook.
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At 1:10 PM -0800 on 1/8/03, Tim May wrote: As cameras become more ubiquitous, more folks may convert to Islam and take up the wearing of the abaya/abiyeh and the male equivalents. Or Jainism? Well, *one* kind, anyway. :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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At 09:41 PM 1/8/2003 +0100, you wrote: On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, James A. Donald wrote: In today's Vietnam women commonly dress like Ninjas, completely covering every square inch of skin. Even the eyes are covered with dark glasses. The costume however is tight, covering the face but revealing the figure. It doesn't matter what you wear. Even if everybody would be wearing a flowing robe and a face mask (fat chance; right now donning this would invite for some deep anal probing), you would still have parts of your body exposed, THz waves could probe beneath clothing unless it's metallized, you would still emit volatile MHC fragments, drop pieces of cells with your DNA in it, have a specific gait, etc. I'm not sure this has changed, but I've never been interrogated for wearing a motorcycle helmet and tinted faceplate. Multisource integrative telebiometrics takes giant pain to fake. No one is going to go through it, so your attempts to fake it would raise red alarm all over the place. Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. Just outlaw this crap already. Once it's on every street corner it will be too late. Time to offer paintball bounties. steve
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SIgh. Although I read May's Crypto Anarchy piece and liked it, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that he's just another dimwitted fascist who by accident had a few interesting ideas. You're Guilty for Not Doing Your Homework. Mr. May's views on sick, disabled, niggers and women are available to everyone with access to usenet archives, which means everyone. For example, type this: 'disabled author:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (sans quotes) in with all of the words field at http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search and you'll get the idea. It doesn't mean that I don't credit him for efforts in other areas. People are too complex to be classified on one aspect only. Would I fuck a beautiful female republican ? Most certainly. Even Bush saying sensible things doesn't make them wrong.
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At 05:10 PM 01/08/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings And for that matter, what about cypherpunks of non-aryan descent? We've had some Branch Dravidian folks around as well I've usually been the one wearing the fedora in cooler weather, and a few people wore Red Hats back in the day.
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote: Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was). Or better, what it is :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
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On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 22:10 Europe/London, Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people hailing from Northern India Turks I would imagine so since ironically the Aryans came from what is now Northern India and Iran up to about 1000BC. The word is even derived from Sanskrit. Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was). -- Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi, So where does that put privacy to.Your whole life outside the house can be monitered-when there are many cameras. May be the worlds air getting polluted isn't so bad-atleast we could put anti-pollution masks and protect our identity :) Regards Sarath. --- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4883623.htm Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary By Dean Takahashi Mercury News From wealthy private homes to military installations, security cameras are going high tech. Prompted in part by new fears after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, camera makers, security specialists, hard-disk makers and chip designers are transforming the art of video surveillance, long known for its grainy, black-and-white images and reams of tape. With the new smart cameras, data is recorded in a digital format on hard disk drives so that reviewing hours of surveillance is much easier. Solar batteries let cameras run without the risk of failing because somebody cut the power. Data can be sent over the Internet -- often through wireless data networks -- directly to a company's hard drive archives. Processing chips inside the cameras make the images much easier to discern, and new software analyzes faces so that the cameras can send alerts to security guards when they spot known criminals or suspicious movements. ``On one level, this is taking analog camera technology and adding digital capabilities with new chips,'' said Bruce Flinchbaugh, a fellow at Texas Instruments in Dallas. ``On another level, it's adding new intelligence to redefine security.'' Geoff Beale, owner of The Alarm Company in Los Gatos, has installed a whole digital setup at the San Jose estate of one client. If someone moves past the light beams that line the home's perimeter, the movement will activate the estate's 15 security cameras, which work even at night and record their data onto hard disks. The motion detector will also trigger the garage door to let out the owner's German shepherds. A camera trained on the road leading to the house can discern a car's license plates and cameras trained on doors can capture faces. The cameras send alarms to the owners with varying degrees of urgency based on the nature of the security threat. ``If they have an incident, I can jump to the spot on the hard disk drive where the video is recorded and deliver the scene to them by e-mail,'' said Beale. Road patrol Concerned about homeland security, the California Department of Transportation is installing video cameras that will monitor the Bay Area's transportation infrastructure and transmit the data to Caltrans engineers and the California Highway Patrol. Hundreds of cameras will watch over the Golden Gate Bridge and the Bay Bridge. Proxim, which makes wireless networking gear in Sunnyvale, will provide wireless Internet networking technology for the project, saving on huge wiring costs. Nick Imearato, a research fellow at the Hoover Institute, said he expects the federal government to require cameras be placed every 400 feet or so in airports to monitor all aspects of airport security, from cargo areas to boarding areas. Over time, as the technology gets cheaper, he said, ``This will migrate to millions of businesses and even homes.'' Such constant surveillance, even in the name of homeland security, scares civil libertarians, who feel it amounts to an illegal search of everyone who passes within view of a camera. ``Our position is this kind of continuous recording can be very dangerous, especially if coupled with technology to recognize faces,'' said Lee Tien, senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a technology watchdog group in San Francisco. ``You have to always ask what is the compelling justification for such surveillance.'' But the surveillance business continues to grow. Last year, the closed-circuit TV camera market generated about $1.5 billion in revenue, according to JP Freeman, a market researcher in Newtown, Conn. While sophisticated cameras that use technologies like Internet connectivity are only about 10 percent of the market today, they are growing at 30 percent a year, or twice the rate of standard security cameras, said Joe Freeman, president the firm. By 2005, the market could top $500 million in the U.S. alone. Specialized market The market for smart cameras is fragmented. Leaders include big companies like Panasonic, Sony, JVC and General Electric. But the niche is small enough for companies like Rvision of San Jose, supplier of cameras to CalTrans, to compete. At the heart of the smart cameras are video-processing chips from companies like Texas Instruments in Dallas, National Semiconductor in Santa Clara, Pixim in Mountain View, Equator
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May be the worlds air getting polluted isn't so bad-atleast we could put anti-pollution masks and protect our identity :) In Japan, people are already wearing face masks frequently, ie. during the flu season. If such cultural sh9ft happens here as well, we have partial protection against the face-recognition cams. Of course, it is no help against cams recognizing patterns of walk. I am not sure how to cheat those, but once these systems hit the streets and start being commercially available, it will be possible to get hold of one for testing of its capabilities.
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-- On 8 Jan 2003 at 16:54, Thomas Shaddack wrote: In Japan, people are already wearing face masks frequently, ie. during the flu season. If such cultural shift happens here as well, we have partial protection against the face-recognition cams. In today's Vietnam women commonly dress like Ninjas, completely covering every square inch of skin. Even the eyes are covered with dark glasses. The costume however is tight, covering the face but revealing the figure. Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG eeK7Lx/2xa/jMsqP3nKuxuq4g/yRmQtaTm/6pzMG 4WNfeWcezvgs7vrhiCTz68qRAGREiuHgqil78zrNJ
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At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet, as most cameras I can remember are up high. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Do you forget the episode of the Simpsons where Homer has a camera installed in his 10-gallon hat? (He was catching Apu recycling expired hotdogs or something.) -TD (Who is not RA Hettinga, at least when RAH is awake.) From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sarad AV [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:40:20 -0500 At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet, as most cameras I can remember are up high. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, James A. Donald wrote: In today's Vietnam women commonly dress like Ninjas, completely covering every square inch of skin. Even the eyes are covered with dark glasses. The costume however is tight, covering the face but revealing the figure. It doesn't matter what you wear. Even if everybody would be wearing a flowing robe and a face mask (fat chance; right now donning this would invite for some deep anal probing), you would still have parts of your body exposed, THz waves could probe beneath clothing unless it's metallized, you would still emit volatile MHC fragments, drop pieces of cells with your DNA in it, have a specific gait, etc. Multisource integrative telebiometrics takes giant pain to fake. No one is going to go through it, so your attempts to fake it would raise red alarm all over the place. Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. Just outlaw this crap already. Once it's on every street corner it will be too late.
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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:40 AM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet, as most cameras I can remember are up high. Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings. Eric wore one, I wore one, and several other people did as well. As cameras become more ubiquitous, more folks may convert to Islam and take up the wearing of the abaya/abiyeh and the male equivalents. Of course, wearing Muslim dress is now treated by the corrupt American courts as a basis for a Terry stop. More shredding of the First. --Tim May That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. --Samuel Adams
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Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people hailing from Northern India Turks And for that matter, what about cypherpunks of non-aryan descent? -TD _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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It doesn't matter what you wear. Even if everybody would be wearing a flowing robe and a face mask (fat chance; right now donning this would invite for some deep anal probing), Not over some critical mass. Also could pit the media against the police, if the rate of such incidents against non-Arabs (or anyone who isn't a member of at-that-time-oppressed minority) would grow high enough quickly enough (the rate of increasing the incident rate is important - see water and frog). you would still have parts of your body exposed, THz waves could probe beneath clothing unless it's metallized, ...a good fashion wave emphasizing metallic look could help, if the look would be achieved by actually conductive fibers; also, a good publicly-believable disinformation about government using THz waves to secretly manipulate or read peoples' minds (and then reinforcing this belief by pointing to the eventual police crackdowns on people wearing such shielding outfits) could be interesting. you would still emit volatile MHC fragments, Speculating: could be relieved by a fragrance containing the molecular structures the sensors are sensitive to, thus effectively blinding it, making it smell very many people at once (principially similar to portscanning with decoys), lowering the identification value of the sensors to close to zero. From what I know about MHC, they are not causing the smells themselves, as their molecules are WAY too big to be volatile enough, but influence their creation indirectly. There is only certain variety possible for volatile molecules of sane size, so the smells are most likely caused by combination of concentrations of a relatively few kinds of volatile molecules. By adding some such chemicals into ie. a fragrance or a cologne, you could confuse the sensors enough to be unable to recognize you. The chemicals don't have necessarily to possess human-detectable smells - they have to be the ones the sensors are sensitive to, which can be a whole group of chemicals. This technology is BY FAR not bulletproof, I suppose the solution will appear at most within half-year after the technology gets commercialized and leaves labs and special-purpose security applications. We can suppose the top-level sensors will be integrated gas-chromatography devices (the common ones will be arrays of specific sensors where the same countermeasures apply and where we have chance to use more kinds of molecules as I don't suppose all sensors will be specific to only one). If we can alter the concentration of the molecules they are sensitive to around us, then we'll effectively change our smell identity. I could bet if the smell sensors will get to common use, sensor-fooling toolkits will appear on the black market. drop pieces of cells with your DNA in it, Which have to be found before put into the sensor, which keeps this problem in the crime-scene investigations (at least I hope so). have a specific gait, I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. etc. Multisource integrative telebiometrics takes giant pain to fake. True. But the giantness of the pain depends on the actual implementation. As I know the sloppy practices in electronics industry and settling of pseudo-standards with GREATLY INADEQUATE reliability (RJ-45 connectors standardized for copper-based Ethernet networks are my current pet peeve), I am quite sure the commercial-grade technology will be so ridden with holes that a sieve will be a panzer plate in comparison. No one is going to go through it, so your attempts to fake it would raise red alarm all over the place. Again, depends on the actual implementation. Could be quite difficult, but not necessarily impossible. Just outlaw this crap already. Once it's on every street corner it will be too late. Would be nice. Won't happen: the politicians want to look like they are doing something to protect us, and the industry wants to make money on the technology. The only way would be to get the people to understand how the technologies work, so they would know that they're unusable against real threats, but try to explain this to the Homer Simpsons and Al Bundas that seem to be the majority of the population nearly everywhere - and then your efforts will be ruined by one overhyped news story featuring a small-scale crook caught because of the Brave New Surveillance Tech.
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Tim May wrote... I've been seeing your nitwitticisms and shallow observations for several weeks now. Time to plonk you. Bye. And I can honestly say that based on Tim May's responses, he simply doesn't get what I am saying most of the time. In this case I wasn't actually being too clever. In the first place, I was actually trying to determine just what Aryan meant in this context. Was this a joke? (I did not believe so.) If there really are Aryan Cypherpunk meetings, and if that's the case then a classic first test I apply to those who bandy the term Aryan about is to see if they know what it means. For lumpen-White trash, it means WHite Guy who's not Jewish. They do not seem to be aware of the fact that people of darker skin can also be Indo-European, or Aryan. Good examples are the peoples I mentioned in the previous post. Iranians, Afghans, and many of those in the Indian subcontinent descend from the original Indo-European invaders (as far as I understand it, some scholars ascribe the expansion of Indo-Europeans approximately 13,000 years ago to early breakthroughs in agriculture and not military invasion). So the moment I hear someone talk about those Iranian Arabs I know I've got someone who don't know shit. As for Nitwiticisms, I had thought that some of my posts on Quantum Mechanics, Bell's Inequality, and the collapse of the wavefunction engendered some useful (and ultimately practical) discussion. As a trained physicist and Optical Network Engineer (now on Wall Street), I don't consider myself an expert on everything, but there are few in the real world who would label me a nitwit. SIgh. Although I read May's Crypto Anarchy piece and liked it, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that he's just another dimwitted fascist who by accident had a few interesting ideas. When I see statements that praised McVeigh's murders combined with derogatory statements about blacks with his use of the term Aryan, I'm also starting to think that he's linked with those forces that have plotted to plunge us into the White-Dominated, Neo/Crypto Fascist Corporate state so eloquently described by the likes of Mussolini. -TD _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:10 PM, Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people hailing from Northern India Turks And for that matter, what about cypherpunks of non-aryan descent? I've been seeing your nitwitticisms and shallow observations for several weeks now. Time to plonk you. Bye. --Tim May
Cypherpunk fashions for the New Ashcroft Era (Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary)
At 11:34 PM 1/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. Kilts for men (over the knee, please, and not for aesthetics). Hoop-skirts for women. A heavy backpack carried asymmetrically (for extra fun, use a canteen where the sloshing water messes with your physics). Good test cases would involve professional deceivers (actors) also. --- Why is my computer not faster? asked the gardener. Turn the spigot said the engineer, pointing to the valve at the far end of the hose which the gardener held. The gardener did so, and after a short but noticable moment, felt the hose stiffen. With that, the gardener was enlightened.
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
hi, So where does that put privacy to.Your whole life outside the house can be monitered-when there are many cameras. May be the worlds air getting polluted isn't so bad-atleast we could put anti-pollution masks and protect our identity :) Regards Sarath. --- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4883623.htm Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary By Dean Takahashi Mercury News From wealthy private homes to military installations, security cameras are going high tech. Prompted in part by new fears after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, camera makers, security specialists, hard-disk makers and chip designers are transforming the art of video surveillance, long known for its grainy, black-and-white images and reams of tape. With the new smart cameras, data is recorded in a digital format on hard disk drives so that reviewing hours of surveillance is much easier. Solar batteries let cameras run without the risk of failing because somebody cut the power. Data can be sent over the Internet -- often through wireless data networks -- directly to a company's hard drive archives. Processing chips inside the cameras make the images much easier to discern, and new software analyzes faces so that the cameras can send alerts to security guards when they spot known criminals or suspicious movements. ``On one level, this is taking analog camera technology and adding digital capabilities with new chips,'' said Bruce Flinchbaugh, a fellow at Texas Instruments in Dallas. ``On another level, it's adding new intelligence to redefine security.'' Geoff Beale, owner of The Alarm Company in Los Gatos, has installed a whole digital setup at the San Jose estate of one client. If someone moves past the light beams that line the home's perimeter, the movement will activate the estate's 15 security cameras, which work even at night and record their data onto hard disks. The motion detector will also trigger the garage door to let out the owner's German shepherds. A camera trained on the road leading to the house can discern a car's license plates and cameras trained on doors can capture faces. The cameras send alarms to the owners with varying degrees of urgency based on the nature of the security threat. ``If they have an incident, I can jump to the spot on the hard disk drive where the video is recorded and deliver the scene to them by e-mail,'' said Beale. Road patrol Concerned about homeland security, the California Department of Transportation is installing video cameras that will monitor the Bay Area's transportation infrastructure and transmit the data to Caltrans engineers and the California Highway Patrol. Hundreds of cameras will watch over the Golden Gate Bridge and the Bay Bridge. Proxim, which makes wireless networking gear in Sunnyvale, will provide wireless Internet networking technology for the project, saving on huge wiring costs. Nick Imearato, a research fellow at the Hoover Institute, said he expects the federal government to require cameras be placed every 400 feet or so in airports to monitor all aspects of airport security, from cargo areas to boarding areas. Over time, as the technology gets cheaper, he said, ``This will migrate to millions of businesses and even homes.'' Such constant surveillance, even in the name of homeland security, scares civil libertarians, who feel it amounts to an illegal search of everyone who passes within view of a camera. ``Our position is this kind of continuous recording can be very dangerous, especially if coupled with technology to recognize faces,'' said Lee Tien, senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a technology watchdog group in San Francisco. ``You have to always ask what is the compelling justification for such surveillance.'' But the surveillance business continues to grow. Last year, the closed-circuit TV camera market generated about $1.5 billion in revenue, according to JP Freeman, a market researcher in Newtown, Conn. While sophisticated cameras that use technologies like Internet connectivity are only about 10 percent of the market today, they are growing at 30 percent a year, or twice the rate of standard security cameras, said Joe Freeman, president the firm. By 2005, the market could top $500 million in the U.S. alone. Specialized market The market for smart cameras is fragmented. Leaders include big companies like Panasonic, Sony, JVC and General Electric. But the niche is small enough for companies like Rvision of San Jose, supplier of cameras to CalTrans, to compete. At the heart of the smart cameras are video-processing chips from companies like Texas Instruments in Dallas, National Semiconductor in Santa Clara, Pixim in Mountain View, Equator
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May be the worlds air getting polluted isn't so bad-atleast we could put anti-pollution masks and protect our identity :) In Japan, people are already wearing face masks frequently, ie. during the flu season. If such cultural sh9ft happens here as well, we have partial protection against the face-recognition cams. Of course, it is no help against cams recognizing patterns of walk. I am not sure how to cheat those, but once these systems hit the streets and start being commercially available, it will be possible to get hold of one for testing of its capabilities.
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-- On 8 Jan 2003 at 16:54, Thomas Shaddack wrote: In Japan, people are already wearing face masks frequently, ie. during the flu season. If such cultural shift happens here as well, we have partial protection against the face-recognition cams. In today's Vietnam women commonly dress like Ninjas, completely covering every square inch of skin. Even the eyes are covered with dark glasses. The costume however is tight, covering the face but revealing the figure. Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG eeK7Lx/2xa/jMsqP3nKuxuq4g/yRmQtaTm/6pzMG 4WNfeWcezvgs7vrhiCTz68qRAGREiuHgqil78zrNJ
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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:40 AM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet, as most cameras I can remember are up high. Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings. Eric wore one, I wore one, and several other people did as well. As cameras become more ubiquitous, more folks may convert to Islam and take up the wearing of the abaya/abiyeh and the male equivalents. Of course, wearing Muslim dress is now treated by the corrupt American courts as a basis for a Terry stop. More shredding of the First. --Tim May That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. --Samuel Adams
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:10 PM, Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people hailing from Northern India Turks And for that matter, what about cypherpunks of non-aryan descent? I've been seeing your nitwitticisms and shallow observations for several weeks now. Time to plonk you. Bye. --Tim May
Cypherpunk fashions for the New Ashcroft Era (Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary)
At 11:34 PM 1/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. Kilts for men (over the knee, please, and not for aesthetics). Hoop-skirts for women. A heavy backpack carried asymmetrically (for extra fun, use a canteen where the sloshing water messes with your physics). Good test cases would involve professional deceivers (actors) also. --- Why is my computer not faster? asked the gardener. Turn the spigot said the engineer, pointing to the valve at the far end of the hose which the gardener held. The gardener did so, and after a short but noticable moment, felt the hose stiffen. With that, the gardener was enlightened.
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Do you forget the episode of the Simpsons where Homer has a camera installed in his 10-gallon hat? (He was catching Apu recycling expired hotdogs or something.) -TD (Who is not RA Hettinga, at least when RAH is awake.) From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sarad AV [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:40:20 -0500 At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet, as most cameras I can remember are up high. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
It doesn't matter what you wear. Even if everybody would be wearing a flowing robe and a face mask (fat chance; right now donning this would invite for some deep anal probing), Not over some critical mass. Also could pit the media against the police, if the rate of such incidents against non-Arabs (or anyone who isn't a member of at-that-time-oppressed minority) would grow high enough quickly enough (the rate of increasing the incident rate is important - see water and frog). you would still have parts of your body exposed, THz waves could probe beneath clothing unless it's metallized, ...a good fashion wave emphasizing metallic look could help, if the look would be achieved by actually conductive fibers; also, a good publicly-believable disinformation about government using THz waves to secretly manipulate or read peoples' minds (and then reinforcing this belief by pointing to the eventual police crackdowns on people wearing such shielding outfits) could be interesting. you would still emit volatile MHC fragments, Speculating: could be relieved by a fragrance containing the molecular structures the sensors are sensitive to, thus effectively blinding it, making it smell very many people at once (principially similar to portscanning with decoys), lowering the identification value of the sensors to close to zero. From what I know about MHC, they are not causing the smells themselves, as their molecules are WAY too big to be volatile enough, but influence their creation indirectly. There is only certain variety possible for volatile molecules of sane size, so the smells are most likely caused by combination of concentrations of a relatively few kinds of volatile molecules. By adding some such chemicals into ie. a fragrance or a cologne, you could confuse the sensors enough to be unable to recognize you. The chemicals don't have necessarily to possess human-detectable smells - they have to be the ones the sensors are sensitive to, which can be a whole group of chemicals. This technology is BY FAR not bulletproof, I suppose the solution will appear at most within half-year after the technology gets commercialized and leaves labs and special-purpose security applications. We can suppose the top-level sensors will be integrated gas-chromatography devices (the common ones will be arrays of specific sensors where the same countermeasures apply and where we have chance to use more kinds of molecules as I don't suppose all sensors will be specific to only one). If we can alter the concentration of the molecules they are sensitive to around us, then we'll effectively change our smell identity. I could bet if the smell sensors will get to common use, sensor-fooling toolkits will appear on the black market. drop pieces of cells with your DNA in it, Which have to be found before put into the sensor, which keeps this problem in the crime-scene investigations (at least I hope so). have a specific gait, I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. etc. Multisource integrative telebiometrics takes giant pain to fake. True. But the giantness of the pain depends on the actual implementation. As I know the sloppy practices in electronics industry and settling of pseudo-standards with GREATLY INADEQUATE reliability (RJ-45 connectors standardized for copper-based Ethernet networks are my current pet peeve), I am quite sure the commercial-grade technology will be so ridden with holes that a sieve will be a panzer plate in comparison. No one is going to go through it, so your attempts to fake it would raise red alarm all over the place. Again, depends on the actual implementation. Could be quite difficult, but not necessarily impossible. Just outlaw this crap already. Once it's on every street corner it will be too late. Would be nice. Won't happen: the politicians want to look like they are doing something to protect us, and the industry wants to make money on the technology. The only way would be to get the people to understand how the technologies work, so they would know that they're unusable against real threats, but try to explain this to the Homer Simpsons and Al Bundas that seem to be the majority of the population nearly everywhere - and then your efforts will be ruined by one overhyped news story featuring a small-scale crook caught because of the Brave New Surveillance Tech.
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet, as most cameras I can remember are up high. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Tim May wrote... I've been seeing your nitwitticisms and shallow observations for several weeks now. Time to plonk you. Bye. And I can honestly say that based on Tim May's responses, he simply doesn't get what I am saying most of the time. In this case I wasn't actually being too clever. In the first place, I was actually trying to determine just what Aryan meant in this context. Was this a joke? (I did not believe so.) If there really are Aryan Cypherpunk meetings, and if that's the case then a classic first test I apply to those who bandy the term Aryan about is to see if they know what it means. For lumpen-White trash, it means WHite Guy who's not Jewish. They do not seem to be aware of the fact that people of darker skin can also be Indo-European, or Aryan. Good examples are the peoples I mentioned in the previous post. Iranians, Afghans, and many of those in the Indian subcontinent descend from the original Indo-European invaders (as far as I understand it, some scholars ascribe the expansion of Indo-Europeans approximately 13,000 years ago to early breakthroughs in agriculture and not military invasion). So the moment I hear someone talk about those Iranian Arabs I know I've got someone who don't know shit. As for Nitwiticisms, I had thought that some of my posts on Quantum Mechanics, Bell's Inequality, and the collapse of the wavefunction engendered some useful (and ultimately practical) discussion. As a trained physicist and Optical Network Engineer (now on Wall Street), I don't consider myself an expert on everything, but there are few in the real world who would label me a nitwit. SIgh. Although I read May's Crypto Anarchy piece and liked it, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that he's just another dimwitted fascist who by accident had a few interesting ideas. When I see statements that praised McVeigh's murders combined with derogatory statements about blacks with his use of the term Aryan, I'm also starting to think that he's linked with those forces that have plotted to plunge us into the White-Dominated, Neo/Crypto Fascist Corporate state so eloquently described by the likes of Mussolini. -TD _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, James A. Donald wrote: In today's Vietnam women commonly dress like Ninjas, completely covering every square inch of skin. Even the eyes are covered with dark glasses. The costume however is tight, covering the face but revealing the figure. It doesn't matter what you wear. Even if everybody would be wearing a flowing robe and a face mask (fat chance; right now donning this would invite for some deep anal probing), you would still have parts of your body exposed, THz waves could probe beneath clothing unless it's metallized, you would still emit volatile MHC fragments, drop pieces of cells with your DNA in it, have a specific gait, etc. Multisource integrative telebiometrics takes giant pain to fake. No one is going to go through it, so your attempts to fake it would raise red alarm all over the place. Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. Just outlaw this crap already. Once it's on every street corner it will be too late.
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people hailing from Northern India Turks And for that matter, what about cypherpunks of non-aryan descent? -TD _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
