RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Tyler Durden]

No, this is important. If this isn't Cypherpunks material these days then 
nothing is.


As for the Wikipedia folks, I can't imagine having a more intelligent batch 
of people disagree. There's is a very practical matter: Reducing the 
hassles, particularly when said hassles in general deteriorate the 
content/bullshit ratio they see.


On the other hand, they seem to clearly get the value of Tor, and have 
practically extended an invitation for a solution that will truly make 
things better while not significantly increasing their hassles.


That the Wikipedia reaction to TorSpam is perhaps regrettable is obvious, 
but given their goals (not particularly Cypherpunkly) it really does make 
sense: No one's paid at Wikipedia and no one's going to do all the work of 
cleaning up the slung feces. In other words, their clipping off one of the 
side-lobes but increasing the remaining signal-to-noise. Just brute force 
logic. Sorry.


But the door is open for solutions and they do seem to understand the 
issues. Not bad, and the long-term solution may be very interesting...


-TD






From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from  
Jimbo at Wikipedia]

Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:02:32 +0200

Sorry for the flood, but this is winding down already.
What I didn't like about this discussion is that all
concerned parties seem to have been shouting into
space past each other, just trying to make a noise
instead of understanding and solving the problem.

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From: Steven J. Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:27:51 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 05:48:59PM -0400, Jimmy Wales wrote:
 All I'm saying is that Tor could segregate users easily enough into two
 clouds: We sorta trust these ones, more or less, a little bit, but no
 guarantees -- We don't trust these ones, we don't know them.

This would be very difficult to do using the existing Tor design as it
doesn't know anything about users or sessions. It lives at the TCP
layer and all it does is shift packets from one IP address to another,
giving some privacy to both ends. Adding higher layer functionality to
Tor increases the chance that it will do neither job well, so here is
a proposal which I think does what you want, but avoids this problem.

The goal is to increase the cost for a Tor user to commit abuse on
Wikipedia. It doesn't need to be full-proof, but just enough to make
them go elsewhere. Wikipedia could require Tor users to log in before
making edits, and ban accounts if they do something bad. However the
cost of creating new accounts is not very high. The goal of this
proposal is to impose a cost on creating accounts which can be used
though Tor. Non-Tor access works as normal and the cost can be small,
just enough to reduce the incentive of abuse.

Suppose Wikipedia allowed Tor users to only read articles and create
accounts, but not able to change anything. The Tor user then goes to a
different website, call it the puzzle server. Here the Tor user does
some work, perhaps does a hashcash computation[1] or solves a
CAPTCHA[2], then enters the solution along with their new Wikipedia
username. The puzzle server (which may be run by Wikipedia or Tor
volunteers), records the fact that someone has solved a puzzle along
with the username entered. The puzzle server doesn't need the
Wikipedia password as there is no reason for someone to do work for
another person's account.

Now when that Tor user logs into their Wikipedia account to edit
something, the Wikipedia server asks the puzzle server whether this
account has ever solved a puzzle. If it has, the user can make the
edit, if not then the user is told to go to the puzzle server first.
This check can be very simple - just an HTTP request to the
puzzle server specifying the Wikipedia username, which returns yes
vs no, or 200 vs 403. For performance reasons this can be
cached locally. There is no cryptography here, and I don't think it is
needed, but it can be added without much difficulty.

If the Tor user starts committing abuse, his account is cancelled. The
puzzle server doesn't need to be told about this, as Wikipedia will
not let that user make any edits. The reason this approach avoids the
usual problems with proof-of-work schemes[3] is that good Tor users
only have to solve the puzzle once, just after they create the
account. Bad Tor users will need to solve another puzzle every time
they are caught and had their account cancelled.

So my question to Jimbo is: what type of puzzle do you think would be
enough to reduce abuse through Tor to a manageable level? The
difficulty of the puzzle can be tuned over time but what would be
necessary for Wikipedia to try this out?

Hope this helps,
Steven Murdoch

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Tyler Durden]

Oh...-that's- your point:


No, Wikipedia needs to realize that the IP address correlation they enjoy
outside of Tor is a happy accident, and that they should stop treating IP
addressess as user credentials.  If they want credentials, they need to
implement them.


Well, is it reasonable to expect a creature to evolve to an environment that 
doesn't exist yet?


On the other hand, I don't think the number of Tor IP addresses is anywhere 
near its hockeystick yet, and when it comes it will be changing far too fast 
for them to block.


So they will ultimately have to change their model, methinks.

-TD

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[Eugen Leitl]

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From: Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:29:24 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Steven J. Murdoch wrote:
 What needs to be done is to give Wikipedia a way to tell the
 difference between legitimate Tor users and abusers. The basis for my
 proposal is that abusers can currently get IP addresses quite easily,
 through open proxies, zombie machines or simply rebooting their ADSL
 modem, as well as through Tor.
 
 To mitigate abuse from Tor, the cost of committing abuse through Tor
 needs to be just higher than the cost of an abuser getting another IP
 address.  This is not very high. 

I do not use Tor, and so at risk of offending those who already think
that I hate Tor, I will say that it has been said to me by some people
that we're lucky that Tor is horribly slow, or lots of people would use
it, making the problem much worse. :-)

 Whether this will work depends on the type of abuse that Wikipedia
 receives, and Jimbo is much more qualified to comment on this then me.

The typical problem case, and I asked around for horror stories to
confirm my impression, is that some lunatic first starts writing at
Wikipedia in an incoherent, biased, offensive, etc. way.  The community
at first tries to work with them, because it does take a while to absorb
our peaceful ways if you're used to Usenet or mailing list debates.  But
eventually, the worst offenders end up getting blocked.

Then they go ballistic.  Imagining themselves to be el1t3 h4xx0rs, they
write (or find online somewhere) vandalbots and start using them to
replace pages with fuck you or goatse images or... well, there seems
to be no shortage of creativity in the world of the deranged and snubbed.

We don't sweat this too much.  We just block them and rever the changes.
 The problem is much worse for small wiki sites than it is for Wikipedia
because we're fully staffed by hundreds of smart people 24 hours a day.
 The people on the frontlines tell me this isn't such a huge problem,
because we do things to limit the abuse.

One of the things we currently do is block Tor.  I consider that a
reasonable solution to the vandalism problem, but an unfortunate thing,
since to my mind, Tor is something very good.

It would be nice if we could look at the edits coming from Tor and say
Oh, these are fine, they are mostly responsible edits.  It'd even be
ok if we could look at the edits coming from Tor and say Ok, so there's
a touch more vandalism from these than from other ip pools, but there's
also some good stuff coming through from places where we normally don't
see a lot of editing activity.  We'll put up with it.

As it is now, we look at it and say oh, jesus.

--Jimbo

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From: Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:49:34 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Nick Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
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Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:
 I was operating under the assumption that the problem was more along the 
 lines 
 of nefarious juveniles selectively posting Kilroy was here graffiti. 
 Something along those lines. If I'm out in left field about the nature of the 
 attack against Wikipedia, I'd be happy to be corrected, and forced to agree 
 that HashCash would be unsuitable. 

I have no opinion about HashCash just yet.  I have to think about it
some more.

The nefarious juveniles problem is partly what it is, yes.  But that
sort of random vandalism goes on all the time, and isn't particularly
problematic.

What is problematic is the lunatic on crack and steriods who is
selectively posting Kilroy sucked your mothers cock graffiti,
obsessively, hundreds of times.  Our admins find it much more peaceful
to just block open proxies and Tor servers than to deal with that for
hours on end, days on end, weeks on end.

I am not an expert on ideas like HashCah or anything of the sort.  I am
a bit of an expert on the behavior of problem users at Wikipedia. :-)
And what I can say is that problem users at Wikipedia are problem users
everywhere for the most part.  Ordinary sane people don't go on a spree
of Wikipedia vandalism.

So the _degree_ of trust we need is actually quite small.  It isn't We
certify this person to be a certain user, guaranteed, the same as ever.
It's just this packet is being sent to you from a source that has
somehow tended generally to lead us to believe to some small extent that
the person posting it has not been a jackass, by and large.

Or, as has been brilliantly discussed here already, it could be this
packet has been sent to you via a mechanism that one might bother to
use, were one a dissident really needing anonymity, but sufficiently
bothersome that were one simply a lunatic on crack, one would more
likely have simply switched to using anonymous proxies.

It won't be perfect, but as an empirical matter, it's probably good enough.

--Jimbo

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[Eugen Leitl]

Sorry for the flood, but this is winding down already.
What I didn't like about this discussion is that all
concerned parties seem to have been shouting into
space past each other, just trying to make a noise
instead of understanding and solving the problem.

- Forwarded message from Steven J. Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

From: Steven J. Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:27:51 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 05:48:59PM -0400, Jimmy Wales wrote:
 All I'm saying is that Tor could segregate users easily enough into two
 clouds: We sorta trust these ones, more or less, a little bit, but no
 guarantees -- We don't trust these ones, we don't know them.

This would be very difficult to do using the existing Tor design as it
doesn't know anything about users or sessions. It lives at the TCP
layer and all it does is shift packets from one IP address to another,
giving some privacy to both ends. Adding higher layer functionality to
Tor increases the chance that it will do neither job well, so here is
a proposal which I think does what you want, but avoids this problem.

The goal is to increase the cost for a Tor user to commit abuse on
Wikipedia. It doesn't need to be full-proof, but just enough to make
them go elsewhere. Wikipedia could require Tor users to log in before
making edits, and ban accounts if they do something bad. However the
cost of creating new accounts is not very high. The goal of this
proposal is to impose a cost on creating accounts which can be used
though Tor. Non-Tor access works as normal and the cost can be small,
just enough to reduce the incentive of abuse.

Suppose Wikipedia allowed Tor users to only read articles and create
accounts, but not able to change anything. The Tor user then goes to a
different website, call it the puzzle server. Here the Tor user does
some work, perhaps does a hashcash computation[1] or solves a
CAPTCHA[2], then enters the solution along with their new Wikipedia
username. The puzzle server (which may be run by Wikipedia or Tor
volunteers), records the fact that someone has solved a puzzle along
with the username entered. The puzzle server doesn't need the
Wikipedia password as there is no reason for someone to do work for
another person's account.

Now when that Tor user logs into their Wikipedia account to edit
something, the Wikipedia server asks the puzzle server whether this
account has ever solved a puzzle. If it has, the user can make the
edit, if not then the user is told to go to the puzzle server first.
This check can be very simple - just an HTTP request to the
puzzle server specifying the Wikipedia username, which returns yes
vs no, or 200 vs 403. For performance reasons this can be
cached locally. There is no cryptography here, and I don't think it is
needed, but it can be added without much difficulty.

If the Tor user starts committing abuse, his account is cancelled. The
puzzle server doesn't need to be told about this, as Wikipedia will
not let that user make any edits. The reason this approach avoids the
usual problems with proof-of-work schemes[3] is that good Tor users
only have to solve the puzzle once, just after they create the
account. Bad Tor users will need to solve another puzzle every time
they are caught and had their account cancelled.

So my question to Jimbo is: what type of puzzle do you think would be
enough to reduce abuse through Tor to a manageable level? The
difficulty of the puzzle can be tuned over time but what would be
necessary for Wikipedia to try this out?

Hope this helps,
Steven Murdoch.

[1] http://www.hashcash.org/
[2] http://www.captcha.net/
[3] Proof-of-Work Proves Not to Work by Ben Laurie and Richard
 Clayton: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rnc1/proofwork.pdf
-- 
w: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/sjm217/



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[Eugen Leitl]

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From: Paul Syverson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:56:19 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i
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Some points of clarification that I hope will help:

(1) On anonymity and authentication/pseudonymity/etc.

All versions of Onion Routing, including Tor,  were designed to separate
identification from routing.  The slogan way that I have put this for
the last five or six years is:

 Onion Routing is about anonymizing the communication pipe, not what
 goes through it.

The devil's always in the details, but as one-line summaries go, I
think that sums it up pretty well.{1}

(2) On various pseudonym authentication or anonym
authentication{2}, etc. approaches to solving the problem at hand.

Some of this is ultimately necessary for various applications,
especially once the Internet looks as Geoff described it. (In fact I
think it's one precondition to realizing anything like that vision.)
But I'm dubious about any of those proposed to date here providing
enough friction to identifier acquisition to deter abusers but not
honest users in this context. They may be worth trying.  Roger's
suggestion about the temporary IP blocks and Steven's about the
separate puzzle servers come to mind, probably some others I'm
forgetting just now.  But as Roger says, somebody's gotta code them
up---and probably much more work---deploy them, maintain them, and
evaluate their effectiveness, all on the Tor-Wikipedia frontier.  I
suspect that the abuser who goes postal as Jimmy described is willing
to waste lots of time acquiring IDs, but perhaps stereotypes about
attention span are close enough to true for some of the proposals to
be effective.  I had my own proposal that doesn't rely on any of this,
and that could be implemented and deployed in a few days (OK after
spending at least a few months or so thinking about the design, the
engineering, and the implications.) In the spirit of mutt: All these
ideas suck; I just think that one sucks a little less.


-
{1} Some further specifics for (1)

Anonymity and identification/authentication can be entirely
compatible. By this I mean that one can be anonymous (to everyone) as
far as one identifier goes but authenticated (to a specific protocol
principal) wrt another as part of the same communication. This has
been an intentional part of the design of every Onion Routing system
including Tor.  It contrasts with systems like Crowds, which was
directed at distinct but related security properties, thus they made
anonymity of the circuit inherently depend on the anonymity of the
data passing over it. As a specific example of using Tor for
authenticated communication over anonymous circuits, when travelling I
often need to log back into NRL to check mail and do other things. I
do this via ssh over Tor. That way the local hotel staff, ISP staff,
any other network observers don't see me logging in to NRL. But I can
assure you that I want to make sure I am going to NRL and no place
else and that I want to make sure only I, and no one else, succeeds in
accessing my account. (And Jimbo, in my experience, it has been
realtime enough to be editing in vi or emacs with no noticeable
trouble over this line. I can't say that someone who expects permanent
T1 rate downloading is going to be happy with Tor, but you should check it
out and see the performance for yourself over a few days, rather than
relying on the reports you've heard.)

I also discussed this in my testimony to the National Academy of
Engineering panel that did a study of authentication and privacy
several years ago. (Cf. _Who Goes There?  Authentication Through the
Lens of Privacy_ from the National Academies Press.)

As many have noted, Tor has enough of a job trying to do one thing
well.  Trying to do more things will just mean it does that thing less
well or later. But that does not preclude designing to be compatible
with other things, e.g., privoxy to somewhat sanitize, i.e., anonymize
web traffic over Tor, or connect to enable authenticated communication
via ssh over Tor.  (There's a program named `connect' in case you had
trouble parsing that.) The discussion now is how to make Tor and
Wikipedia compatible, the interface as Nick put it.

{2} Yes you can authenticate someone who is anonymous from you.
Besides various group signature approaches, cf., e.g., my papers on
UST (Unlinkable Serial Transactions), or look at the proposal for
common terminology (new version recently out) at

http://dud.inf.tu-dresden.de/Anon_Terminology.shtml

What we called an `anonym' in the UST work and elsewhere they call a
`transaction pseudonym'.
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RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Tyler Durden]

No, this is important. If this isn't Cypherpunks material these days then 
nothing is.


As for the Wikipedia folks, I can't imagine having a more intelligent batch 
of people disagree. There's is a very practical matter: Reducing the 
hassles, particularly when said hassles in general deteriorate the 
content/bullshit ratio they see.


On the other hand, they seem to clearly get the value of Tor, and have 
practically extended an invitation for a solution that will truly make 
things better while not significantly increasing their hassles.


That the Wikipedia reaction to TorSpam is perhaps regrettable is obvious, 
but given their goals (not particularly Cypherpunkly) it really does make 
sense: No one's paid at Wikipedia and no one's going to do all the work of 
cleaning up the slung feces. In other words, their clipping off one of the 
side-lobes but increasing the remaining signal-to-noise. Just brute force 
logic. Sorry.


But the door is open for solutions and they do seem to understand the 
issues. Not bad, and the long-term solution may be very interesting...


-TD






From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from  
Jimbo at Wikipedia]

Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:02:32 +0200

Sorry for the flood, but this is winding down already.
What I didn't like about this discussion is that all
concerned parties seem to have been shouting into
space past each other, just trying to make a noise
instead of understanding and solving the problem.

- Forwarded message from Steven J. Murdoch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -

From: Steven J. Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:27:51 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 05:48:59PM -0400, Jimmy Wales wrote:
 All I'm saying is that Tor could segregate users easily enough into two
 clouds: We sorta trust these ones, more or less, a little bit, but no
 guarantees -- We don't trust these ones, we don't know them.

This would be very difficult to do using the existing Tor design as it
doesn't know anything about users or sessions. It lives at the TCP
layer and all it does is shift packets from one IP address to another,
giving some privacy to both ends. Adding higher layer functionality to
Tor increases the chance that it will do neither job well, so here is
a proposal which I think does what you want, but avoids this problem.

The goal is to increase the cost for a Tor user to commit abuse on
Wikipedia. It doesn't need to be full-proof, but just enough to make
them go elsewhere. Wikipedia could require Tor users to log in before
making edits, and ban accounts if they do something bad. However the
cost of creating new accounts is not very high. The goal of this
proposal is to impose a cost on creating accounts which can be used
though Tor. Non-Tor access works as normal and the cost can be small,
just enough to reduce the incentive of abuse.

Suppose Wikipedia allowed Tor users to only read articles and create
accounts, but not able to change anything. The Tor user then goes to a
different website, call it the puzzle server. Here the Tor user does
some work, perhaps does a hashcash computation[1] or solves a
CAPTCHA[2], then enters the solution along with their new Wikipedia
username. The puzzle server (which may be run by Wikipedia or Tor
volunteers), records the fact that someone has solved a puzzle along
with the username entered. The puzzle server doesn't need the
Wikipedia password as there is no reason for someone to do work for
another person's account.

Now when that Tor user logs into their Wikipedia account to edit
something, the Wikipedia server asks the puzzle server whether this
account has ever solved a puzzle. If it has, the user can make the
edit, if not then the user is told to go to the puzzle server first.
This check can be very simple - just an HTTP request to the
puzzle server specifying the Wikipedia username, which returns yes
vs no, or 200 vs 403. For performance reasons this can be
cached locally. There is no cryptography here, and I don't think it is
needed, but it can be added without much difficulty.

If the Tor user starts committing abuse, his account is cancelled. The
puzzle server doesn't need to be told about this, as Wikipedia will
not let that user make any edits. The reason this approach avoids the
usual problems with proof-of-work schemes[3] is that good Tor users
only have to solve the puzzle once, just after they create the
account. Bad Tor users will need to solve another puzzle every time
they are caught and had their account cancelled.

So my question to Jimbo is: what type of puzzle do you think would be
enough to reduce abuse through Tor to a manageable level? The
difficulty of the puzzle can be tuned over time but what would be
necessary for Wikipedia to try this out?

Hope this helps,
Steven Murdoch

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Tyler Durden]

Oh...-that's- your point:


No, Wikipedia needs to realize that the IP address correlation they enjoy
outside of Tor is a happy accident, and that they should stop treating IP
addressess as user credentials.  If they want credentials, they need to
implement them.


Well, is it reasonable to expect a creature to evolve to an environment that 
doesn't exist yet?


On the other hand, I don't think the number of Tor IP addresses is anywhere 
near its hockeystick yet, and when it comes it will be changing far too fast 
for them to block.


So they will ultimately have to change their model, methinks.

-TD

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From: cypherpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:25:07 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

As an occasional Tor and Wikipedia user, let me add a couple of points.

First, in case it is not obvious, the problem with the present system
is that Tor users can no longer edit on Wikipedia. I have done so in
the past, in what I like to think is a constructive manner, but cannot
do so since this summer. I have valid although perhaps unpopular
contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
absence of my perspective. The status quo is not acceptable and we
should work to find a solution.

Looking at the proposals for authentication servers and such, I see a
major issue which is not being addressed. That is, how does the web
server distinguish authenticated Tor users from unathenticated ones?
If this is via a complicated protocol, there is no point as the
servers won't use it.

The hard truth is this: the distinction must be done on the basis of
IP address. That is, there must be a separate set of Tor exit nodes
which are only for authenticated users.

This does not necessarily mean building complex authentication
protocols into the Tor network, and having two classes of traffic
flowing around. It could be that this authenticated Tor is a separate
network. It only lets users in who are authenticated, and owns a
specific set of IP addresses which servers can whitelist. The regular
Tor exit nodes can be blacklisted as they are now.

The technical problem is then, how to achieve as much anonymity as
possible in the authenticated network, while still providing the abuse
prevention services which Wikipedia and other servers will require in
order to whitelist the nodes.

What does Wikipedia need? What is the minimum level of service they
require? Presumably, it is similar to what they can get via ISPs, who
also map many users to a fixed set of IP addresses. Wikipedia can
complain to the ISP, and it will get back in some form to that user.

Of course, Wikipedia does not know the details of how their complaint
is handled. Is the user kicked off, banned temporarily, or merely
given a stern warning? What matters to them is that, generally, users
that they complain about don't keep coming back. Their complaints are
effective, at least much or most of the time. This is the level of
response which an authenticated Tor network would have to provide.

The problem with this functionality from Tor's perspective is that
unlike an ISP, Tor does not have knowledge of the mapping from users
to IP addresses. Given a complaint that a certain IP was misused at a
certain time, Tor has no information about which user to penalize.

To solve the problem we would need to use some cryptographic
mechanism. Let authenticated users gain credentials via some
expensive, slow process. Let them embed the credentials in their
messages such that they are revealed in some blinded form to the exit
node. Let the exit nodes remember the credentials which were used at
different times. When valid complaints arrive, let the exit nodes
blacklist the credential which was in use at that time. This stops the
abuser.

There could be many such authenticated-Tor subnetworks. Each could
have its own credential servers, its own abuse policies, and its own
set of exit IP addresses. They would be like anonymous ISPs, from the
POV of web server operators like Wikipedia. Those which are
effectively able to suppress abuse will avoid blacklists and their
users will be able to successfully use web based services.

CP

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From: Geoffrey Goodell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:32:14 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i
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In case it was not painfully obvious, I posted two very critical
messages about the policy of Wikipedia with respect to Tor nodes.  I
sent one of these messages in April and another just a few hours ago.

I apologize for my tone in these messages.  I contributed nothing
of constructive value, and if I accomplished anything it was only to
further polarize the community around the two perspectives.  I have
neither the intellect nor the disposition to be as level-headed about
this as I would like to be, but I will try.

I would like to make clear that what I intended to say was that as
a researcher in the area of Internet transport, I believe that Tor is a
crucial first step to achieving location-independence for Internet
peers.  I believe in location-independence to the extent that I would
like to see every host on the Internet have the ability to communicate
without revealing its network address.  Since my research specifically
revolves around using Tor to achieve location-independence, I tend to
become overly frustrated when the providers of vital Internet services
impose restrictions that may reduce support for Tor among developers and
the general public.

We ARE on the same side.  I don't think that anyone on this list would
question that Roger, Nick, and Jimbo have all worked hard to make the
world a better place, and that to a significant extent, their visions of
a better world have already been achieved as a result of their efforts.

In the absence of a better solution, I am glad that Wikipedia blocks Tor
nodes, since otherwise the world would quickly lose an important
resource (and Tor would be blamed).  In particular, the continued
success of the Wikipedia project depends upon articles being accurate
and unvandalized, and all potential threats to this goal may rightly be
considered suspect.  What worries me is that as of now we have not yet
ensured that users seeking location-independence would be able to edit
Wikipedia articles like everyone else.  I do not view the use of Tor as
a form of lurking in shadows; I think that it represents a happier
future in which the use of network-layer addresses to censor the
activity of Internet peers is difficult or impossible.

It is not necessary to build a user-authentication mechanism into Tor.
For example, any third party can build a proxy accessible via Tor that
provides authentication considered suitable by Wikipedia, and clients
can use that proxy when they want to edit Wikipedia articles.  A similar
approach that has been widely discussed was to build an authentication
mechanism into Wikipedia that would be used only for clients contacting
Wikipedia via hosts that would otherwise be filtered.

The problem with these two potential solutions is that we still do not
have a good idea of what kinds of authentication would actually work.
For example, it may be undesirable to use credit card numbers or
referrals from existing users.  Wikipedia seeks to achieve a certain
degree of openness and availability to contributors, and it would seem
that mechanisms that authenticate and verify pose a threat to this
openness and availability.

Might it be possible to come up with a list of technical desiderata for
a potential end-to-end Wikipedia access policy?  It is my feeling that
if we consider the requirements carefully, we will be able to devise a
solution that satisfies all of our constraints.

Geoff

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 01:46:13PM -0400, Jimmy Wales wrote:
 I'd like to say thanks for the invitation to join this dialogue.
 
 Let me tell you what I love.  I love the Chinese dissident who wants to
 work on Wikipedia articles in safety.  I love that Wikipedia is an open
 platform that allows people to have that voice, and that we can have a
 positive impact on the world in large part because we don't bow to
 censorship and we are willing to reach out and work with people like Tor
 to empower individuals to speak, no matter what sort of oppressive
 conditions they face.
 
 WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE.
 
 So it always dismays me to see conversations like this, and I think that
 at least some cooler heads here will understand why I get frustrated and
 why I make no apologizes for characterizing at least some people in the
 Tor community as being irresponsible.
 
 I share frustrations that the statements attributed to Jimmy Wales in
 the record below and in previous messages seem to show some fundamental
 misunderstandings and willful ignorance of Tor, and more broadly of
 identity, identifiers, reputation, authentication, etc. in open
 network communications
 
 Willful ignorance?  Not at all.  What I know is that we are forced to
 block Tor servers regularly due to persistent vandalism

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From: Nick Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:03:30 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 02:45:35AM -0400, Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:
 [...]
 Has anyone considered applying a HashCash type solution to this?

Hashcash is often considered, but commonly dismissed, because it
limits identities based on the wrong resource: computers.

If you haven't read the paper 'Proof-of-work' Proves Not To Work by
Ben Laurie and Richard Clayton, I recommend it highly.  See
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rnc1/proofwork.pdf .  It mostly
discusses why hashcash can't prevent spam, but the arguments would
seem to apply to wikipedia editing as well.

 [...]
  On the other hand, if there were an authentication service that gave
  you pseudonyms for Tor users who wanted pseudonyms, you could tell
  which pseudonyms contributed well, and which were jerks, and which
  were nonentities.
 
 The problem I see with this is that as the name implies, it's 
 pseudo-anonymous. 

Sorry, but you've stumbled a personal crusade of mine.

The word is pseudonymous, not pseudo-anonymous.  And the difference is
importatant.  Pseudonymous means using false names, like calling
yourself Batman instead of Bruce Wayne.  Anonymous means without a
name, like writing The Joker will pay for his crimes and not
signing it.  Pseudo-anonymous isn't a real word, but if it were, it
would mean falsely anonymous, like the bank robber who disguised
himself by wearing a motorcycle helmet with his name written on the
back.{1}

  Tor is an anonymous network by design. And there is a
 difference.

As one of the designers, I'd like to weigh in.  Tor provides
anonymity, but we've never opposed people who wanted to use an
anonymous system to bootstrap per-service or cross-service
pseudonymity.

We will never, of course, alter Tor to make people have pseudonyms.
But letting using pseudonyms is not against our overarching goals.

The overarching goals are privacy and usability.{2}

   It's real time nature also compounds any additional partitioning 
 problems a hard-keyed pseudonym setup brings with it.

I don't see any iterable (that is, awful) partitioning attacks here.
Assume a network where some users have pseudonyms and some don't.
Assume that pseudonyms are first obtained through a blinded{3}
process, so that an attacker can't tell which user has which
pseudonym.

Assume that the attacker is watching all authentication services
(since this is probably the best point for these attacks).  The
attacker could tell when users create new pseudonyms, and when
pseudonymous users are active.  From this info, the attacker could
rule out some users as possible owners of some pseudonyms, but that's
about it.  Correlation and intersection attacks are unlikely to work
unless the attacker is watching the user as well as the auth server,
and that's outside our threat model.

 Although, this too might fall under that good enough umbrella as
 long as the tor network were disjoined from the nym creation and key
 distribution process as much as possible. The nyms would have to be
 managed outside a tor egress point to maintain user's anonymity.

Right.

 I also question whether or not a system can be devised that makes
 nym creation expensive enough to thwart nefarious users from simply
 collection a lot of nyms. :(

Right.  I suspect that this is one of those social engineering
problems that we won't solve except by trying things out and seeing
whether they work.

{1} There are all other kinds of great terms in the field.  For
example, allonymous is using a name belonging to someone else,
like if the Joker writes a letter and signs it Batman.  Oddly,
there is no classical term for using one's given name.

{2} If you care about privacy and not usability, I recommend DC nets.
If you care about usability and not privacy, I recommend turning
Tor off.

{3} Again see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_signature

yrs,
-- 
Nick Mathewson



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 From: cypherpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia

 As an occasional Tor and Wikipedia user, let me add a couple of points.

 First, in case it is not obvious, the problem with the present system
 is that Tor users can no longer edit on Wikipedia. I have done so in
 the past, in what I like to think is a constructive manner, but cannot
 do so since this summer. I have valid although perhaps unpopular
 contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
 limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
 absence of my perspective. The status quo is not acceptable and we
 should work to find a solution.

Leaving aside the qualitative discussion, let's remember that the freedom to
express onesself does not imply the obligation for any other party to listen.

 Looking at the proposals for authentication servers and such, I see a
 major issue which is not being addressed. That is, how does the web
 server distinguish authenticated Tor users from unathenticated ones?
 If this is via a complicated protocol, there is no point as the
 servers won't use it.

The problem at hand does not require authenticated Tor users.  It requires
authenticated Wikipedia users.

 This does not necessarily mean building complex authentication
 protocols into the Tor network, and having two classes of traffic
 flowing around. It could be that this authenticated Tor is a separate
 network. It only lets users in who are authenticated, and owns a
 specific set of IP addresses which servers can whitelist. The regular
 Tor exit nodes can be blacklisted as they are now.

Tor is transport layer.  Authentication for a specific service (such as
Wikipedia) is the responsibility of that service and belongs in the session
layer.

An authenticated network and an anonymizing network are mutually exclusive.

 What does Wikipedia need? What is the minimum level of service they
 require? Presumably, it is similar to what they can get via ISPs, who
 also map many users to a fixed set of IP addresses. Wikipedia can
 complain to the ISP, and it will get back in some form to that user.

No, Wikipedia needs to realize that the IP address correlation they enjoy
outside of Tor is a happy accident, and that they should stop treating IP
addressess as user credentials.  If they want credentials, they need to
implement them.
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From: Adam Langley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:25:15 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 9/28/05, Nick Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hashcash is often considered, but commonly dismissed, because it
 limits identities based on the wrong resource: computers.

A similar scheme  would be to make people perform many CAPTCHAs[1] in
order to generate a login id. That way the resource is human time and
it's difficult to generate lots of them [1]. Abuse from these accounts
results in the account being deleted, which makes it costly.

(More detail here: http://www.imperialviolet.org/page26.html#e509)

The design of the CAPTCHA is actually far more difficult than I
imagined because it turns out that the range of ability of people for
solving them is very large - but there are several widly used CAPTCHAs
which seems to be good for many of people. (Very unscientifically, it
seems that computer minded people can solve them but other's have
great problems. My mother can't even do the Google CAPTCHA).

Although this seems possible it's tough to believe that it's worth
doing for Wikipedia because I've already written a small (1500 line)
patch for MediaWiki; the design of which was okayed in general by one
of the developers. It was intended to make it easier to block and
unblock IP ranges (like all Tor nodes) . The patch certainly wasn't
perfect but, despite the efforts of several people, I never got any
responce from anyone in MediaWiki about it.

I don't mind - I've the attention span of a flea anyway. But it's not
good for people who might be willing to do this work.


AGL

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha

[2] You could setup a sweatshop to do it, or you could distribute it 
and make setup a porn website which requires you to solve them to gain
entry. Either way - it's quite a lot of effort. See
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/01/27/solving_and_creating.html

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Steve Furlong]

On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A Wikiwhiner wrote

  I have valid although perhaps unpopular
  contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
  limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
  absence of my perspective.

Wow. Nice ego there.


  The status quo is not acceptable and we
  should work to find a solution.

 Leaving aside the qualitative discussion, let's remember that the freedom to
 express onesself does not imply the obligation for any other party to listen.

Nor the obligation for any other party to provide you with a soapbox.
Operate your own wiki if you don't like their decisions.


 Tor is transport layer.  Authentication for a specific service (such as
 Wikipedia) is the responsibility of that service and belongs in the session
 layer.

What Roy said. This Wikiwhiner might want to read up on the OSI model.
Conveniently, there's a Wikipedia article on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model


 An authenticated network and an anonymizing network are mutually exclusive.

True enough, but to make it clear, an anonymizing network is not
exclusive with an authenticated application. (Not necessarily so,
anyway. I haven't checked into TOR, but there's no good reason an HTML
hidden field couldn't provide session continuity for an anonymous web
surfer.)


--
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Tyler Durden]

Dont' agree here...



From: Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at  
Wikipedia]

Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:41:34 -0400

On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A Wikiwhiner wrote

  I have valid although perhaps unpopular
  contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
  limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
  absence of my perspective.

Wow. Nice ego there.


If someone I knew wrote some detailed Wiki entries about Telecom DCC control 
channel protocol throughputs and attacks, he could objectively state that 
there would be very few people in the world up to the task. He might also 
want to maintain anonymity.


Shutting down this source of wiki entries means that the general flow of 
Wikipedia content has been altered slightly, but I would argue 
significantly.


I see no material issue with an individual claiming that the absence of his 
posts to Wiki is significant, even if this is in fact untrue for his 
particular case. The ego is not material to the essential point.


-TD

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From: Marc Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:17:40 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) 
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Jimbo,

My concern about pseudonyms is that they can compromised after-the-fact.

Suppose Li Li is over in China writing blogs, and she selects Muzimei as
her pseudonym and implements it with any of several digital signature
schemes.  Then she writes a bunch of blog entries, and possibly a few
edits to her Wikipedia page.  Wikipedia trusts her because of her
reputation, and presumably no one knows her real name is Li Li.

Except there's an eyewitness to one of her blogs, or the authorities
raid her Linux box and her private key is compromised.  Li Li has a
serious problem, because all of her previous activity is signed by her
Muzimei pseudonym, so after 36 hours of interrogation she confesses, is
found guilty of separatism in an 18 minute trial, and executed 20 days
later.

I still lean in favor of approaches which protect Wikipedia on the basis
of actual content submitted, instead of information about the
submitter.  This is why Paul Syverson and I are advancing these types of
proposals.

Once again, one way to check content (until machines can think better)
is to have not-necessarily-anonymous parties with interests in specific
subjects ok what would otherwise be anonymous posts prior to the posts
showing up.  This system would be only as efficient as these approving
personnel for anonymous posts, but these people can be mutually selected
in the sense that an anonymous editor can nominate anyone, and Wikipedia
may refuse anyone.

It's a little like any meeting held under Robert's Rules of Order.  To
discuss anything, someone must present a motion and someone else needs
to second it.  If the content's not pertinent enough for even a second,
there really no need for the group to consider it.  In the mechanism I
am suggestion (as an intermediate-term approach to try), the mover may
be anonymous if the seconder is willing not to be.

Marc



On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 08:36, Jimmy Wales wrote:
 Marc Abel wrote:
  This has law enforcement implications; if you can prove that Alice took
  the cookie from the cookie jar, perhaps using eyewitnesses, you can now
  show that Alice did many other unreputable things.
 
 Can you explain this in more detail?
 
 --Jimbo

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Tyler Durden]

Dont' agree here...



From: Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at  
Wikipedia]

Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:41:34 -0400

On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A Wikiwhiner wrote

  I have valid although perhaps unpopular
  contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
  limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
  absence of my perspective.

Wow. Nice ego there.


If someone I knew wrote some detailed Wiki entries about Telecom DCC control 
channel protocol throughputs and attacks, he could objectively state that 
there would be very few people in the world up to the task. He might also 
want to maintain anonymity.


Shutting down this source of wiki entries means that the general flow of 
Wikipedia content has been altered slightly, but I would argue 
significantly.


I see no material issue with an individual claiming that the absence of his 
posts to Wiki is significant, even if this is in fact untrue for his 
particular case. The ego is not material to the essential point.


-TD

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Steve Furlong]

On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A Wikiwhiner wrote

  I have valid although perhaps unpopular
  contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
  limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
  absence of my perspective.

Wow. Nice ego there.


  The status quo is not acceptable and we
  should work to find a solution.

 Leaving aside the qualitative discussion, let's remember that the freedom to
 express onesself does not imply the obligation for any other party to listen.

Nor the obligation for any other party to provide you with a soapbox.
Operate your own wiki if you don't like their decisions.


 Tor is transport layer.  Authentication for a specific service (such as
 Wikipedia) is the responsibility of that service and belongs in the session
 layer.

What Roy said. This Wikiwhiner might want to read up on the OSI model.
Conveniently, there's a Wikipedia article on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model


 An authenticated network and an anonymizing network are mutually exclusive.

True enough, but to make it clear, an anonymizing network is not
exclusive with an authenticated application. (Not necessarily so,
anyway. I haven't checked into TOR, but there's no good reason an HTML
hidden field couldn't provide session continuity for an anonymous web
surfer.)


--
There are no bad teachers, only defective children.

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

[Roy M. Silvernail]

 - Forwarded message from cypherpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

 From: cypherpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia

 As an occasional Tor and Wikipedia user, let me add a couple of points.

 First, in case it is not obvious, the problem with the present system
 is that Tor users can no longer edit on Wikipedia. I have done so in
 the past, in what I like to think is a constructive manner, but cannot
 do so since this summer. I have valid although perhaps unpopular
 contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
 limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
 absence of my perspective. The status quo is not acceptable and we
 should work to find a solution.

Leaving aside the qualitative discussion, let's remember that the freedom to
express onesself does not imply the obligation for any other party to listen.

 Looking at the proposals for authentication servers and such, I see a
 major issue which is not being addressed. That is, how does the web
 server distinguish authenticated Tor users from unathenticated ones?
 If this is via a complicated protocol, there is no point as the
 servers won't use it.

The problem at hand does not require authenticated Tor users.  It requires
authenticated Wikipedia users.

 This does not necessarily mean building complex authentication
 protocols into the Tor network, and having two classes of traffic
 flowing around. It could be that this authenticated Tor is a separate
 network. It only lets users in who are authenticated, and owns a
 specific set of IP addresses which servers can whitelist. The regular
 Tor exit nodes can be blacklisted as they are now.

Tor is transport layer.  Authentication for a specific service (such as
Wikipedia) is the responsibility of that service and belongs in the session
layer.

An authenticated network and an anonymizing network are mutually exclusive.

 What does Wikipedia need? What is the minimum level of service they
 require? Presumably, it is similar to what they can get via ISPs, who
 also map many users to a fixed set of IP addresses. Wikipedia can
 complain to the ISP, and it will get back in some form to that user.

No, Wikipedia needs to realize that the IP address correlation they enjoy
outside of Tor is a happy accident, and that they should stop treating IP
addressess as user credentials.  If they want credentials, they need to
implement them.
-- 
Roy M. Silvernail is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you're not
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SpamAssassin-procmail-/dev/null-bliss
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Hello BGT

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 12:55 PM 1/12/04 -0600, bgt wrote:
Of course the police tried to take the site down but the court
upheld the site's right to publish any publicly available
information about the cops (I believe they excepted the SSN's).

--bgt

The SSNs were initially published, later removed in an incremental
withdrawl, as I recall.

..

I think people have not quite gotten their hands around the
speed at which information can be disseminated online.
-Monica Lewinsky, LATimes 9 may 01
http://www.latimes.com/business/columns/celebsetup/lat_monica010510.htm

Hello BGT

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 12:55 PM 1/12/04 -0600, bgt wrote:
Of course the police tried to take the site down but the court
upheld the site's right to publish any publicly available
information about the cops (I believe they excepted the SSN's).

--bgt

The SSNs were initially published, later removed in an incremental
withdrawl, as I recall.

...

I think people have not quite gotten their hands around the
speed at which information can be disseminated online.
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HELLO

[Peter Amadi]

Dear Friend,
I am a member of the federal Government of Nigeria Contract Award and Monitoring 
Committee in the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation. In November 2000, a contract 
was awarded to a Foreign firm by my Committee in NNPC. This contract was over invoiced 
to the tune of U.S $30,000,000.00 ( Thirty Million United States Dollars Only). This 
was done deliberately. The over-invoicing was a deal by my committee to benefit from 
the project as is the tradition in my country. We now desire to transfer this money, 
which is in suspense account with the NNPC to any overseas account, which we expect 
you to provide for us.
For providing the account where we shall remit the money, you will be entitled to 20% 
of the money. 75% will be for my partners and I, while 5% has been mapped out from the 
total sum to cover any expenses that may be incurred by us during the course of this 
transfer including local and international expenses. I would require the following-
1. Your Bank account Name and Address.
2. Your Bank Tel/ Fax Numbers.
3. Your Bank Sort/ABA/Routing Numbers.
4. Your Bank Account Number
5. Beneficiary Name
The following information will be used to make formal application as a matter of 
procedure for the release of the money and onward transfer to your account within one 
week from the receipt of the information. It does not matter whether you or your 
company does contract projects of the nature described here, the assumption is that 
you or your company won the contract and sublet the contract out to another company. 
More often than not, big trading companies or firms of unrelated fields win major 
contract and sublet to more specialized firms for execution.
We have strong and reliable connections and contacts at the Apex Bank and Federal 
Ministry of Finance and we have every assurance that this money will be released and 
transferred if we get the necessary and trustworthy foreign partner to assist us in 
this deal. However when the business is successfully concluded we shall through our 
same connections withdraw all documents used from all the concerned Government 
Ministries for 100% security.
We are civil servant and we will not want to miss this opportunity. We want this money 
to be transferred to an overseas account for us. Please contact me immediately through 
my email with [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested in this deal. Contact me so that 
I can know the next action take, may be scout for another foreign partner to carry out 
this deal. But where you are interested send the required information to me as time is 
of great essence in this transaction. I wait in anticipation of your urgent response 
and full co-operation.
Thanks and God bless you as you reply.
Mr. Peter Amadi.  

Hello Friend!

[Peter Amadi]

Dear Friend,
I am a member of the federal Government of Nigeria Contract Award and Monitoring 
Committee in the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation. In November 2000, a contract 
was awarded to a Foreign firm by my Committee in NNPC. This contract was over invoiced 
to the tune of U.S $30,000,000.00 ( Thirty Million United States Dollars Only). This 
was done deliberately. The over-invoicing was a deal by my committee to benefit from 
the project as is the tradition in my country. We now desire to transfer this money, 
which is in suspense account with the NNPC to any overseas account, which we expect 
you to provide for us.
For providing the account where we shall remit the money, you will be entitled to 20% 
of the money. 75% will be for my partners and I, while 5% has been mapped out from the 
total sum to cover any expenses that may be incurred by us during the course of this 
transfer including local and international expenses. I would require the following-
1. Your Bank account Name and Address.
2. Your Bank Tel/ Fax Numbers.
3. Your Bank Sort/ABA/Routing Numbers.
4. Your Bank Account Number
5. Beneficiary Name
The following information will be used to make formal application as a matter of 
procedure for the release of the money and onward transfer to your account within one 
week from the receipt of the information. It does not matter whether you or your 
company does contract projects of the nature described here, the assumption is that 
you or your company won the contract and sublet the contract out to another company. 
More often than not, big trading companies or firms of unrelated fields win major 
contract and sublet to more specialized firms for execution.
We have strong and reliable connections and contacts at the Apex Bank and Federal 
Ministry of Finance and we have every assurance that this money will be released and 
transferred if we get the necessary and trustworthy foreign partner to assist us in 
this deal. However when the business is successfully concluded we shall through our 
same connections withdraw all documents used from all the concerned Government 
Ministries for 100% security.
We are civil servant and we will not want to miss this opportunity. We want this money 
to be transferred to an overseas account for us. Please contact me immediately through 
my email with [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested in this deal. Contact me so that 
I can know the next action take, may be scout for another foreign partner to carry out 
this deal. But where you are interested send the required information to me as time is 
of great essence in this transaction. I wait in anticipation of your urgent response 
and full co-operation.
Thanks and God bless you as you reply.
Mr. Peter Amadi.  

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Hello Friend

[Peter Amadi]

Dear Friend,
I am a member of the federal Government of Nigeria Contract Award and Monitoring 
Committee in the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation. In November 2000, a contract 
was awarded to a Foreign firm by my Committee in NNPC. This contract was over invoiced 
to the tune of U.S $30,000,000.00 ( Thirty Million United States Dollars Only). This 
was done deliberately. The over-invoicing was a deal by my committee to benefit from 
the project as is the tradition in my country. We now desire to transfer this money, 
which is in suspense account with the NNPC to any overseas account, which we expect 
you to provide for us.
For providing the account where we shall remit the money, you will be entitled to 20% 
of the money. 75% will be for my partners and I, while 5% has been mapped out from the 
total sum to cover any expenses that may be incurred by us during the course of this 
transfer including local and international expenses. I would require the following-
1. Your Bank account Name and Address.
2. Your Bank Tel/ Fax Numbers.
3. Your Bank Sort/ABA/Routing Numbers.
4. Your Bank Account Number
5. Beneficiary Name
The following information will be used to make formal application as a matter of 
procedure for the release of the money and onward transfer to your account within one 
week from the receipt of the information. It does not matter whether you or your 
company does contract projects of the nature described here, the assumption is that 
you or your company won the contract and sublet the contract out to another company. 
More often than not, big trading companies or firms of unrelated fields win major 
contract and sublet to more specialized firms for execution.
We have strong and reliable connections and contacts at the Apex Bank and Federal 
Ministry of Finance and we have every assurance that this money will be released and 
transferred if we get the necessary and trustworthy foreign partner to assist us in 
this deal. However when the business is successfully concluded we shall through our 
same connections withdraw all documents used from all the concerned Government 
Ministries for 100% security.
We are civil servant and we will not want to miss this opportunity. We want this money 
to be transferred to an overseas account for us. Please contact me immediately through 
my email with [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested in this deal. Contact me so that 
I can know the next action take, may be scout for another foreign partner to carry out 
this deal. But where you are interested send the required information to me as time is 
of great essence in this transaction. I wait in anticipation of your urgent response 
and full co-operation.
Thanks and God bless you as you reply.
Mr. Peter Amadi.  

HELLO!!

[moore dave]

Dear SIR/MADAM.

I am Barrister Moore Dave a Solicitor, I know it will come
to you as a surprise because we have not met either
physically or through correspondence. I am the Personal
Attorney to Mr. Adams Blair a Foriegn national and a
contractor here in Nigeria. On the 21st of April 2000, my
client,wereinvolved in a car accident along Ibadan / Lagos
ExpressRoad.Unfortunately they All lost their lives in the
event of the accident, after the several unsuccessful
attempts, I decided to trace his relatives over
the Internet to locate any member of his family but of no
avail, hence I contacted you.

I plead for your assist in repatriating the money and
property left behind by my client before they get
confiscated or declared unserviceable by the Apex Bank
where these huge deposits were lodged. Particularly, the
APEX BANK where the deceased had an account valued at about
US$28M United Stated Dollars.Consequently, APEX BANK Has
issued me a notice to provide the next of kin
or have the account confiscated. Since I have been
unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 2 years
now.

I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of
the deceased, so that the proceeds of this account valued
at US$28MD can be paid to you and then you and me can share
the money. 50% to me and 40% to you, while 10% should be
for expenses or tax as your government may require.If you
are interested to kindly forward immediately the following:

1. YOUR FULL NAME
2. CONTACT ADDRESS
3. PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER.

I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to
back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest
cooperation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee
that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement
that will protect you from any breach of the law.Please
direct
your reply through the Email Box below immediately you
receive this proposal
for more explanation on the inheritance.

Yours Faithfully,

BarristerMoore Dave (Esq.).

HELLO

[madu_peters]

MADU PETERS  ASSOCIATE,
OFFICE 33,CREEK ROAD APAPA,
LAGOS NIGERIA,
EMAIL;[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Friend ,

I am Barrister Madu Peters a solicitor at law. I am the personal Assistant to the late 
Pitt myint who was my client and a national of your country, who used to work with 
Shell Development Company in Nigeria.
Hereinafter, shall be referred to as my client. On the 21st of APRIL 2002, my client, 
his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along sagamu express 
road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have 
made several enquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives and this has 
also proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, to locate any 
member of his family to no avail, I am therefore compelled to contacted you.
I am contacting you to assist in repatriating the money left behind by my client 
before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge 
deposit were lodged. Particularly, the FINANCE COMPANY where the deceased had an 
account valued at about US$ 9.5 million dollars has issued me a notice to provide the 
next of kin or have the account confiscated within the next fourteen official working 
days.
Since, I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 years now I seek 
your consent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased so that the proceeds of 
this account valued at US$ 9.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me 
can share the money. 60% to me and 40% to you.
All I require is your honest, cooperation to enable us see this deal through. I 
guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect 
you from any breach of the law.please relpy me through the above email address which 
is;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please get in touch with me by e-mail and send to me your telephone and fax numbers to 
enable us discuss further about this transaction.

Thanks For your Co-operation, 
I expect to here from you . 
Best regards,
MADU PETERS


  
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[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Yukos OIL COMPANY
MOSCOW
RUSSIA
ATTEN:
Dear Sir,
REGUEST FOR AN URGENT/CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL
I hope this letter will not surprise you, since we have not had any previous form of 
communication. I got your reference from 
your country`s trade department under private enquiry.
I am Simon Kukes,The Chief Executive Officer of Yukos oil company ,the successor of 
Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who is currently facing charges of fraud and tax evasion in 
Russia.
I have chosen you for this transaction from recommendation from a friend.I need 
someone who will help us receive the sum of ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY 
MILLIONDOLLARS(US$150,000,000), which is funds from oil transaction  abroad.The 
current unfavourable business climate in Russia for Yukos Company 
has made it totally unwise for this money to be paid into our company's account.  
The Putin's administration has decided on a clamp down on our company and this has 
placed our account under security survillance,  Following the raid of the Russian 
armed police it is now unsafe for any monatry transaction to be done in our name and 
that is why am contacting you,since you dont have any business or personal 
relationship with Mikhail or Yukos,it will be impossible for the transaction to be 
traced to you.We have agreed that after the sucessful transfer of the fund into your 
account,you shall be entitlled to a 20% of the total sum transfered.This fund will be 
in your account for safekeep until the charges on Mikhail isdropped.All necessary 
precautions have been taken to ensure a no risk situation on the sides of both parties.
Please note that this transaction is strictly confidential and must not be disclosed 
to a third party,this is necssary to avoid disclossure that might jeopardise the 
transaction.
Finally, if it is acceptble to you, or have questions, feel 
free tocontact me immediatelly through thi s Email address;([EMAIL PROTECTED])
You should also send to me your private e-mail address and telephone number, for easy 
and confidential communication
Hope to hear from you soonest

Best Regards
Simon Kukes

HELLO (reply)

[mr christ chikaodinaka]

DR.CHRIST CHIKAODINAKA,(MNIM),
ABACHA COURT,
VICTORIA ISLAND,
LAGOS - NIGERIA.




 URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED.

I AM DR. UMAR CHIKAODINAKA, THE PERSONAL ASSISTANT TO THE WIFE OF LATE
GENERAL SANI ABACHA, EX-MILITARY HEAD OF STATE OF NIGERIA WHO DIED ON
THE 8TH OF JUNE 1998 OF HEART PROBLEMS. I CONTACTED YOU BECAUSE OF MY
NEED TO DEAL WITH PERSONS WHOM HER FAMILY AND I HAVE HAD NO PREVIOUS
PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS. SINCE THE DEATH OF HER HUSBAND, THEIR FAMILY HAS
BEEN SUBJECTED TO ALL SORTS OF HARASSMENT AND INTIMIDATION WITH LOTS OF
NEGATIVE REPORTS EMANATING FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PRESS ABOUT HER
HUSBAND. THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT HAS ALSO ENSURED THAT THEIR BANK
ACCOUNTS ARE FROZEN AND ALL ASSETS SEIZED.

IT IS IN VIEW OF THIS, THAT I HAVE BEEN AS A MATTER OF URGENCY
MANDATED TO SEEK YOUR CO-OPERATION AND ASSISTANCE IN THE TRANSFER OF
THIS SUM OF US$50.000,000(FIFTY MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY)
BEING
THE VERY LAST OF HER FAMILY'S FUND IN MY POSSESSION AND CONTROL. THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SEIZED ALL THEIR PROPERTIES AND FROZE ALL HER
ACCOUNTS
BOTH LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL. AFTER THE DEATH OF HER HUSBAND, BUT HER
ONLY HOPE NOW IS THIS AVAILABLE US$50M CASH WHICH HER HUSBAND CAREFULLY
PACKAGED AND DEPOSITED AS PHOTOGRAPHIC MATERIALS WITH A SECURITY
COMPANY .

FURTHERMORE, WE NEED YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE TO CLEAR THIS MONEY FROM
THE SECURITY COMPANY AND MOVE IT TO YOUR PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT IN YOUR
COUNTRY FOR OUR FUTURE INVESTMENT. THIS FAMILY HAS SUFFERED ALOT OF
INTIMIDATION FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND NEEDED YOUR VERY URGENT ASSISTANCE

FOR
THEM TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE THE FUTURE.

IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ASSIST US IN CLEARING THE MONEY WITH YOUR NAME SO
THAT THERE WILL BE NO TRACE ON THE FAMILY AND ALSO INVESTING THE MONEY
WHICH IS THE FAMILY'S LAST HOPE IN YOUR COUNTRY,PLEASE, CONTACT ME
IMMEDIATELY THROUGH THIS EMAIL UPON WHICH I WILL IMMEDIATELY GET BACK TO
YOU AND GIVE YOU THE DETAILS WITH NECESSARY BACK-UP DOCUMENTS FOR THE
SMOOTH CLEARING OF THE MONEY.

WE HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE 70% OF THE MONEY WHILE YOU WILL TAKE 20% AFTER
THE MONEY HAS BEEN TRANSFERED.AND WE SHALL TAKE THE REMAINING 10% TO
SETTLE ALL EXPENSES SPENT DURING THE TRANSACTION AND PLEASE ENSURE TO
KEEP THIS PROPOSAL VERY SECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR OBVIOUS REASONS AND

IF
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WILL LIKE TO KNOW PLEASE LET
ME KNOW.YOU ARE FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS. I AWAIT YOUR IMMEDIATE
RESPONSE.
NOTE THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS 100%RISK FREE AS I HAVE PERFECTED ALL THE
ARRANGEMENT FOR THIS TRANSACTION, GOD BLESS.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SINCERELY,

DR CHRIST CHIKAODINAKA,(MNIM)

HELLO (reply)

[mr christ chikaodinaka]

DR.CHRIST CHIKAODINAKA,(MNIM),
ABACHA COURT,
VICTORIA ISLAND,
LAGOS - NIGERIA.




 URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED.

I AM DR. UMAR CHIKAODINAKA, THE PERSONAL ASSISTANT TO THE WIFE OF LATE
GENERAL SANI ABACHA, EX-MILITARY HEAD OF STATE OF NIGERIA WHO DIED ON
THE 8TH OF JUNE 1998 OF HEART PROBLEMS. I CONTACTED YOU BECAUSE OF MY
NEED TO DEAL WITH PERSONS WHOM HER FAMILY AND I HAVE HAD NO PREVIOUS
PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS. SINCE THE DEATH OF HER HUSBAND, THEIR FAMILY HAS
BEEN SUBJECTED TO ALL SORTS OF HARASSMENT AND INTIMIDATION WITH LOTS OF
NEGATIVE REPORTS EMANATING FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PRESS ABOUT HER
HUSBAND. THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT HAS ALSO ENSURED THAT THEIR BANK
ACCOUNTS ARE FROZEN AND ALL ASSETS SEIZED.

IT IS IN VIEW OF THIS, THAT I HAVE BEEN AS A MATTER OF URGENCY
MANDATED TO SEEK YOUR CO-OPERATION AND ASSISTANCE IN THE TRANSFER OF
THIS SUM OF US$50.000,000(FIFTY MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY)
BEING
THE VERY LAST OF HER FAMILY'S FUND IN MY POSSESSION AND CONTROL. THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SEIZED ALL THEIR PROPERTIES AND FROZE ALL HER
ACCOUNTS
BOTH LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL. AFTER THE DEATH OF HER HUSBAND, BUT HER
ONLY HOPE NOW IS THIS AVAILABLE US$50M CASH WHICH HER HUSBAND CAREFULLY
PACKAGED AND DEPOSITED AS PHOTOGRAPHIC MATERIALS WITH A SECURITY
COMPANY .

FURTHERMORE, WE NEED YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE TO CLEAR THIS MONEY FROM
THE SECURITY COMPANY AND MOVE IT TO YOUR PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT IN YOUR
COUNTRY FOR OUR FUTURE INVESTMENT. THIS FAMILY HAS SUFFERED ALOT OF
INTIMIDATION FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND NEEDED YOUR VERY URGENT ASSISTANCE

FOR
THEM TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE THE FUTURE.

IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ASSIST US IN CLEARING THE MONEY WITH YOUR NAME SO
THAT THERE WILL BE NO TRACE ON THE FAMILY AND ALSO INVESTING THE MONEY
WHICH IS THE FAMILY'S LAST HOPE IN YOUR COUNTRY,PLEASE, CONTACT ME
IMMEDIATELY THROUGH THIS EMAIL UPON WHICH I WILL IMMEDIATELY GET BACK TO
YOU AND GIVE YOU THE DETAILS WITH NECESSARY BACK-UP DOCUMENTS FOR THE
SMOOTH CLEARING OF THE MONEY.

WE HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE 70% OF THE MONEY WHILE YOU WILL TAKE 20% AFTER
THE MONEY HAS BEEN TRANSFERED.AND WE SHALL TAKE THE REMAINING 10% TO
SETTLE ALL EXPENSES SPENT DURING THE TRANSACTION AND PLEASE ENSURE TO
KEEP THIS PROPOSAL VERY SECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR OBVIOUS REASONS AND

IF
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WILL LIKE TO KNOW PLEASE LET
ME KNOW.YOU ARE FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS. I AWAIT YOUR IMMEDIATE
RESPONSE.
NOTE THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS 100%RISK FREE AS I HAVE PERFECTED ALL THE
ARRANGEMENT FOR THIS TRANSACTION, GOD BLESS.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SINCERELY,

DR CHRIST CHIKAODINAKA,(MNIM)

Hello

[douglas]

3/5 RIDER HAGGARD
CLOSE, JO, BORGTO:
SOUTH AFRICA.
THE PRESIDENT/C.E.O,
(RE: TRANSFER OF ($ 56,000.000.00 USD}
FIFTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS
Dear Business Associate,
We want to transfer to overseas account
($56,000.000.00 USD) fifty -six
millionUnited States Dollars) from a Prime Bank in
Africa, I want to ask you to quietly look for a
reliable and honest person who will be capable and fit
to provide either an existing bank account or to set
up a new Bank a/c immediately to receive this money,
even an empty a/c can serve to receive this money, as
long as you will remain honest to me till the end for
his important business trusting in you and believing
in God that you will never let me down either now or
in future.
I am MR MICHEALDOUGLAS, the Auditor General of one of
the prime banks here South Africa, during the course
of our auditing,I discovered a floating fund in an
account opened in the bank in 1990 and since 1993
nobody
has operated on this account again, after going
through
some old files in the records I discovered that the
owner
of the account died without a [heir] hence the money
is
floating and if I do not remit this money out urgently
it
will be forfeited for nothing.
The owner of this account is Mr. Allan P.Seaman, a
foreigner, and an industrialist, and he died, since
1993. and no other person knows about this account or
any thing concerning it, the account has no other
beneficiary and my investigation proved to me as well
that Allan P. Seaman until his death was the manager
Diamond Safari [pty]. S.A.
We will start the first transfer with twenty six
million [$56,000.000] upon successful transaction
without any disappoint from your side, we shall
re-apply for the payment of the remaining rest amount
to your account.
The amount involved is (USD 56 M) Fifit
six million United States Dollars only. I want
to first transfer $26,000.000 [Twenty million
United States Dollar] from this money into a safe
foreigners account abroad before the rest, but I don't
know any foreigner, I am only contacting you as a
foreigner because this money can not be approved to a
local person here, without valid international foreign
passport, but can only be approved to any foreigner
with valid international passport or drivers license
and foreign a/c because the money is in US dollars and
the former owner of the a/c Mr. Allan P. Seaman is a
foreigner too,and the money can only be approved into
a
foreign a/c.
However, we will sign a binding agreement, to bind us
together. I got your contact through the research i
made in the south african chambers of commerce
internet bureau {S.A.C.C.I.B} I am revealing this to
you
with believe in God that you will never let me down in
this business, you are the first and the only person
that I am contacting for this business, so please
reply
urgently directly through this personal e mail box

so that I will inform you the next step to take
urgently. Send also your private telephone and fax
number including the full details of the account to be
used for the deposit. I want us to meet face to face
to
build confidence and to sign a binding agreement that
will bind us together before transferring the money
to any account of your choice where the fund will be
safe.
Before we fly to your country for withdrawal, sharing
and investments.I need your full co-operation to make
this work fine, Because the management is ready to
approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct
information of this account, which I will give to
you,upon your positive response and once I am
convinced that you are capable and will meet up with
instruction of a key bank official who is deeply
involved with me in this business.
I need your strong assurance that you will never,
never let me down.With my influence and the position
of the bank official we can transfer this money to any
foreigner's reliable account which you can provide
with assurance that this money will be intact pending
our physical arrival in your country for sharing. The
bank official will destroy all documents of
transaction
immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to
any
place and to build confidence you can come immediately
to discuss with me face to face after which I will
make
this remittance in your presence and three of us will
fly
to your country at least two days ahead of the money
going
into the account. I will apply for annual leave to get
visa
immediately I hear from you that you are ready to act
and
receive this fund in your account. I will use my
position and
influence to obtain all legal approvals for onward
transfer of
! this money to your account with appropriate
clearance from the
relevant ministries and foreign exchange departments.
At the conclusion of this business, you will be given
20% of the total amount, 75% will be for me, while 5%
will be for expenses both parties might have incurred
during the process of transferring.
I look forward to your earliest reply through my
personal email as at above
Yours truly
MICHEAL 

Hello (Urgent)!!!

[afzal Kamuzu]

Dear Friend,
I write to inform you of my desire to acquire estates 
or landed properties in your country on behalf of the 
Director of Contract and Finance Allocations of the 
Department of Transportation in South Africa. 

Considering his very strategic and influential 
position, he wants the transaction to be strictly confidential as much as possible. He 
further wants his identity to remain undisclosed at least for now, until the 
completion of transaction. Hence our desire to have an overseas agent. 

I have therefore been directed to inquire if you would 
agree to act as our overseas agent in order to 
actualize this transaction. 

The deal in brief is that the funds with which we 
intend to carry out our proposed investments in your 
country is presently in a coded account at the South Africa Apex bank (South Africa 
Reserve Bank) and we need your assistance to transfer the funds to your country in a 
convenient bank account that will be provided by you 
before we can put the funds into use in your country. 

For this, you shall be considered to have executed a 
contract for the Department of Transportation for 
which payment should be effected to you by Department, The contract sum of which shall 
run into US$30.5Million (Thirty Million, Five Hundred Dollars) of which your 
share shall be 20% if you agree to be our overseas 
agent. 

As soon as payment is effected, and the amount 
mentioned above is 
successfully transfered into your account, we intend 
to use our own share in acquiring some estates and 
setting up trust accounts abroad. For this too you 
shall also serve as our agent. 

In the light of the above, I would like you to forward to 
me the following 
information's: 

1. Your company name and address if any. 
2. Your personal fax number. 
3. Your personal telephone number for easy 
communication. 

You are requested to communicate your accpetance of 
this proposal through this email. After which we shall 
discuss in details the modalities for seeing this 
transaction through. 

Your quick response will be highly appreciate. Thanks 
in anticipation of your cooperation. 

Yours faithfully, 

AFZAL KAMUZU 

Hello, please read

[pet_marindo]

MR. PETER MARINDO
DEPARTMENT OF MINERALS AND ENERGY,
PRETORIA, SOUTH AFRICA.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sir,
It is my great pleasure to write you this letter on behalf of my
colleagues .Your information was given to me by a member of the South
African Export Promotion Council (SAEPC) Who was with the Government
delegation on a trip to your country for a bilateral conference talk to
encourage foreign investors. I have decided to seek a confidential
co-operation with you in the execution of the deal hereunder for the
benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it confidential because of
the nature of this business.
Within the Department of Minerals  Energy where I work as a Director of
Audit and Project Implementation and with the co-operation of two other
top officials, we have in our possession an overdue payment in US funds.
The said funds represent certain percentage of the total contract value
executed on behalf of my Department by a foreign contracting firm which we
the officials over-invoiced to the amount of US$36.500,000.00 (Thirty Six
Million Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars. Though the actual contract cost
has been paid to the original contractor, leaving the excess balance
unclaimed.
Since the present elected Government is determined to pay foreign
contractors all debts owed, so as to maintain good relationship with
foreign governments and non-government agencies, we included our bills
for approvals with the Department of Finance and the Reserve Bank of
South Africa (RBSA). We are seeking your assistance to front as
beneficiary of the unclaimed funds, since we are not allowed to operate
foreign accounts. Details and change of beneficiary information upon
application for claim to reflect payment and approvals will be secured on
behalf of you/your company.
I have the authority of my partners involved to propose that should you be
willing to assist us in this transaction your share as compensation will
be US$9.125m (25%), while my colleagues and I receive US$23.725m (65%) 
and the balance of US$3.65m (10%) for taxation and miscellaneous
expenses incurred.
The business is completely safe and secure, provided you treat it with
utmost confidentiality. It does not matter whether you/your company does
contract projects as a transfer of powers will be secured in favour of
you/your company. Also, your area of specialization is not a hindrance to
the successful execution of this transaction. I have reposed my
confidence in you and hope that you will not disappoint us.
Kindly notify me by email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], for
further details upon your acceptance of this proposal.
Thanks for your co-operation.
Regards,
MR. PETER MARINDO

HELLO

[mustafa . bello]

SIR,

WITH DUE REGARDS MY NAME IS MR.MUSTAFA BELLO THE
ACCOUNTANT, CREDIT AND FOREIGN BILLS OF AFRICAN
DEVELOPMENT BANK LTD.

I AM WRITING IN RESPECT OF A TRANSACTION WHICH I WOULD
REQUIRE YOUR ASSISTANCE TO SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISH.

A FOREIGN
CUSTOMER OF MY BANK WITH ACCOUNT NUMBER
14-255-2004/utb/t PERISHED IN A PLANE CRASH [ETHIOPIAN
AIRLINE 961] WITH SOME OTHER PASSENGERS ABOARD.  SINCE
THE DEMISE OF THIS OUR CUSTOMER I HAVE PERSONALLY
MONITORED THE ACCOUNT WITH KEEN INTEREST TO SEE
THE
NEXT OF KIN BECAUSE I HAPPENED TO BE THE ACCOUNT
OFFICER TO THE DECEASED CUSTOMER, BUT TILL DATE NO ONE
HAS COME TO CLAIM HIS FUNDS OF USD.10.5 M, [ TEN
MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS]
WHICH HAS REMAINED LODGED  WITH MY BANK FOR A WHILE UP
TILL NOW AND IS DUE TO BE RECALLED BACK TO THE
TREASURY AS UNCLAIMED FUND.

ON THIS NOTE I DECIDED TO SEEK FOR A PARTNER WHOSE
NAME SHALL BE USED AS THE NEXT OF KIN AS NO ONE HAS
COME UP TO BE THE NEXT OF KIN. THE BANKING ETHICS
HERE
DO NOT ALLOW SUCH MONEY TO REMAIN UNCLAIMED BEYOND
FOUR YEARS, IN THE EVENT OF WHICH THE MONEY WILL BE
RECALLED TO THE BANK TREASURY AS UNCLAIMED.

IN VIEW OF THIS I GOT YOUR IMPRESIVE CONTACT THROUGH
MY COUNTRY'S FOREIGN TRADE MISSION DIRECTORY, AND I
THERFORE CONSIDER YOU FAVOURABLE TO BE MY PARTNER IN
THIS PROCESS.

THE NEED FOR A FOREIGNER AS THE NEXT OF KIN IN THIS
TRANSACTION IS OCCASIONED BY THE FACT THAT THE
CUSTOMER WAS A FOREIGNER AND A NIGERIAN CANNOT STAND
AS THE NEXT OF
IN TO A FOREIGNER. I AGREED THAT 25%OF
THIS MONEY WILL BE FOR YOU AS A FOREIGN PARTNER , IN
RESPECT OF PROVIDING AN ACTIVE ACCOUNT,WHILE THE REST
WILL BE FOR ME, THEREAFTER I WILL VISIT
YOUR COUNTRY FOR DISBURSEMENT AS I AM ALMOST DUE FOR
RETIREMENT .

THEREFORE TO FACILITATE THE IMMEDIATE TRANSFER OF THIS
FUND TO THE PROVIDED ACCOUNT, YOU WILL NEED TO APPLY
TO THE BANK AS A NEXT OF KIN/BENEFICIARY TO THE
DECEASED , INDICATING YOUR  PRIVATE TELEPHONE NUMBER,
AND FAX NUMBER FOR EASIER COMMU
ICATION .

UPON THE RECEIPT OF YOUR AFFIRMATIVE RESPONSE, I WILL
GUIDE YOU ACCORDINGLY AND DISCUSS THE PROCESS WITH
YOU. BE REST ASSURED THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS HITCH
FREE AND THE NECESSARY MODALITIES TO ACHEIVE SUCCESS
HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AN
 ONLY REQUIRE ADHERENCE.

THANK YOU.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,

MR.MUSTAFA BELLO.
AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK LTD.

Hello, please read

[frank_legodi]

DR. FRANK LEGODI.

The Zambia Home Office. 

GENEVE

SWITZERLAND.

Tel: +41-79-327-6871

Fax:+ 41-79-327-6871

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Attn: Dear Sir 

REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE IN A FINANCIAL TRANSACTION. 

I am interested in your partnership in business dealing. This business proposal I wish 
to intimate you with is of mutual benefit and it's success is entirely based on mutual 
trust, cooperation and a high level of confidentiality as regard this transaction. 

I am representing the board of the contract award and monitoring committee of the 
Zambian Ministry of Mining and Resources. I am seeking your assistance to enable me 
transfer the sum of US$15,500,000.00 (Fifteen Million, Five Hundred Thousand United 
States Dollars) into your private/company account. 

The fund came about as a result of a contract awarded and executed for and on behalf 
of my Ministry. The contract was supposed to be awarded to two foreign contractors to 
the tune of US$100,000,000.00 (One hundred Million United States Dollars). But in the 
course of negotiation, the contract was awarded to a Bulgarian contractor at the cost 
of US$115,500,000.00 (One hundred and Forty-nine Million, Five Hundred Thousand United 
States Dollars) to my benefit unknown to the contractor. This contract has been 
satisfactorily executed and inspected as the Bulgarian firm is presently securing 
payment from my Ministry, where our Board is in-charge of all foreign contract payment 
approval. 

As a civil servant still in active government service, I am forbidden by law to 
operate an account outside the shores of Zambia. Hence this message to you seeking 
your assistance so as to enable me present your private/company account details as a 
beneficiary of contractual claims alongside that of the Bulgarian contractor, to 
enable me transfer the difference of US$15,500,000.00 (Fifteen Million, Five Hundred 
Thousand United States Dollars) into your provided account. 

On actualization, the fund will be disbursed as stated below. 

20% for you and 80% for us.

What We request from you.

1,your names, company name if any- otherwise we will use your name to register the 
company.

2, your address, tel, fax and cell phone numbers.

The name of your bank, address.

Account number and swift code or routing number.

The of account holder/beneficiary.

All logistics are in place and all modalities worked out for a smooth actualization of 
the transaction within the next few working days of commencement. For further details 
as to the workability of this transaction, please reach me as soon as possible for 
further clarification. Please, call me on receipt of this mail on Tel: 
00-41-79-327-6871. 

Thank you while I await your urgent response. 

Yours Sincerely, 

DR. FRANK LEGODI

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

PLEASE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED TO CONCLUDE THIS WITH US, PLS FILL THIS FORM AND FAX BACK 
TO ME TO LEGALISE THIS TRANSACTION AT THE COURT.I WILL SEND YOU FURTHER DETAILS.

REPUBLIC OF ZAMBIA

MINISTRY OF J USTICE

LUSAKA.

INDEMNITY APPLICATION FORM FOR TRANSFER OF RIGHTS  PRIVILEGES

Date:

Under Ministerial Law of Section MBR/D/E-00ZB

You are required to fill this form and return promptly to this office for final 
confirmation and procurement :

(A) Name of Applicant (Beneficiary): 
...

(B) Address: 
.

(C) Phone: ... Fax: 
...

(D) Banker: 
..

(E) Banker's Address: 
...

(F) Phone: .. Fax: 
.

(G) Account No.: .. Sort Code: 
...

(H) Contract No.: 
.
 

(I) Amount words: 
.

(J) Your Signature 

HELLO, CAN U....

[AFZAL KAMUZU]

Dear Friend,
I write to inform you of my desire to acquire estates 
or landed properties in your country on behalf of the 
Director of Contract and Finance Allocations of the 
Department of Transportation in South Africa. 

Considering his very strategic and influential 
position, he wants the transaction to be strictly confidential as much as possible. He 
further wants his identity to remain undisclosed at least for now, until the 
completion of transaction. Hence our desire to have an overseas agent. 

I have therefore been directed to inquire if you would 
agree to act as our overseas agent in order to 
actualize this transaction. 

The deal in brief is that the funds with which we 
intend to carry out our proposed investments in your 
country is presently in a coded account at the South Africa Apex bank (South Africa 
Reserve Bank) and we need your assistance to transfer the funds to your country in a 
convenient bank account that will be provided by you 
before we can put the funds into use in your country. 

For this, you shall be considered to have executed a 
contract for the Department of Transportation for 
which payment should be effected to you by Department, The contract sum of which shall 
run into US$30.5Million (Thirty Million, Five Hundred Dollars) of which your 
share shall be 20% if you agree to be our overseas 
agent. 

As soon as payment is effected, and the amount 
mentioned above is 
successfully transfered into your account, we intend 
to use our own share in acquiring some estates and 
setting up trust accounts abroad. For this too you 
shall also serve as our agent. 

In the light of the above, I would like you to forward to 
me the following 
information's: 

1. Your company name and address if any. 
2. Your personal fax number. 
3. Your personal telephone number for easy 
communication. 

You are requested to communicate your accpetance of 
this proposal through this email. After which we shall 
discuss in details the modalities for seeing this 
transaction through. 

Your quick response will be highly appreciate. Thanks 
in anticipation of your cooperation. 

Yours faithfully, 
Afzal Kamuzu

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HELLO

[isiomawilly2001]

from the desk of : DR ISIOMA  WILLIAMS


DIRECT TEL:   234-1-776 2501 (24HRS)
TEL:  234-1-804 4824 
FAX:  234-1-759 2574

EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL 


WE ARE MEMBERS OF A SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PROJECT
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM
CORPORATION (NNPC). THIS COMMITTEE IS PRINCIPALLY
CONCERNED WITH CONTRACT AWARDS AND APPROVAL. WITH OUR
POSITIONS, WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY SECURED FOR OURSELVES
THE SUM OF SIXTEEN  MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND
UNITED STATES DOLLARS (US$16.5M). MY COLLEAGUES AND I
DURING THE COURSE OF OUR OFFICIAL ASSIGNMENT AWARDED
SERIES OF CONTRACTS TO FOREIGN FIRMS ON AGREED 5%
COMMISSION OR PROFIT ON THEIR CONTRACT SUM. HOWEVER
THE 5% COMMISSION WHICH AMOUNTED TO US$16.5M AFTER
AUDIT REPORT IS LEFT UNCLAIMED IN THE FLOATING ACCOUNT
OF MY COMPANY [NNPC]. THIS CONTRACT IN QUESTION WERE
FOR THE SUPPLY OF PETRO CHEMICAL EQUIPMENT AND
COMPUTERS TO MY COMPANY THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL
PETROLEUM CORPORATION [NNPC] IN 1999. THE CONTRACTORS
HAVE EXECUTED THEIR PROJECT AS SPECIFIED IN THE
CONTRACT AGREEMENT AND WERE PAID ACCORDINGLY.
RECENTLY, THE NEW CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT STARTED PAYING
OFF ALL THE INDEBTED FOREIGN CONTRACTORS TO MY COMPANY
THAT EXECUTED CONTRACTS AS FAR BACK AS 1990 2002 IN
ORDER TO LAUNDER A GOOD IMAGE OF THEIR GOVERNMENT
BEFORE THE UNITED NATION. CONSEQUENT TO THIS
DEVELOPMENT, WE CONSIDER THIS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR
US TO CARRYOUT THE TRANSFER OF THESE FUNDS TO A SAFE
ACCOUNT OVERSEAS WHICH WE BELIEVE YOU WILL BE IN A
POSITION TO HELP US IN TRANSFERRING THESE FUNDS
[US$16.5M] INTO YOUR NOMINATED ACCOUNT. IT HAS BEEN
AGREED THAT THE OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT WILL BE
COMPENSATED WITH 20% OF THE REMITTED FUNDS, WHILE WE
KEEP 70%, AND 10% WILL BE SET ASIDE TO OFFSET EXPENSES
AND PAY THE NECESSARY TAXES. 

ALL MODALITIES OF THIS TRANSACTION HAVE BEEN WORKED 
OUT AND ONCE STARTED WILL NOT TAKE MORE THAN 10 
WORKING DAYS, WITH YOUR FULL SUPPORT. THIS 
TRANSACTION IS 100% RISK FREE.IF THIS PROPOSAL 
SATISFIES YOU, PLEASE REACH US ONLY BY FAX OR PHONE, 

FOR MORE INFORMATION. IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO
GET THROUGH TO ME, BECAUSE OF POOR TELECOMMUNICATION
SYSTEM HERE. PLEASE KEEP TRYING, YOU WILL DEFINITELY
GET THROUGH. PLEASE TREAT AS URGENT AND VERY 
CONFIDENTIAL. 


YOURS FAITHFULLY, 

DR  ISIOMA WILLIAMS

NB: FOR CONFIDENTIAL REASONS AND DUE TO THE POOR
COMMUNICATION SYSTEM IN MY COUNTRY, MOST OFTEN FOREIGN
CALLS COULD BE DIVERTED TO THE WRONG PERSON. SO, FOR
YOU TO BE VERY SURE YOU ARE RIGHTLY SPEAKING WITH ME,
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN YOU CALL AND ASK FOR
ME, THE MOMENT I PICK UP THE PHONE, YOU SHOULD ASK ME
FOR THE CODE WORD AND MY ANSWER WOULD BE SUCCESS
BEFORE WE PROCEED DISCUSSIONS, BUT IF I DO 
NOT SAYSUCCESS, THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING
WITH ME JUST DISCONNECT THE LINE AND CALL ME BACK TILL
I GIVE YOU THE CODE WORD. 

HELLO

[mr.james peter]

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL 

DR.James Peter. 
DIRECTOR, ACCOUNTS AND AUDIT, 
NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.C) 
 

ATTN:PRESIDENT/CEO, 

TRANSFER OF $28,600,000:00 (TWENTY-EIGHT MILLION SIX HUNDRED 

THOUSAND U.S. DOLLARS) ONLY. 

 I got your contact from the Nigerian Chamber of Commerce  

Industry. Following this and other 
investigations resulting in a good recommendation. We have 

decided to contact you to help us with 
the legal Transfer of US$28,600,000.00 (Twenty-Eight Million 

Six hundred Thousand United States 
Dollars). The amount stated above resulted from an 

over-invoiced contract executed for the 
Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (N.N.P.C.) for which 

the contractors have been fully 
paid. Because this money was part of the overall contract 

sum amounting to close to 
(US$100,000,000:00) that has been completed. 

The said amount has remained dormant and floating in our 

Apex Bank. Therefore, we will raise 
supplementary documents to enable us transfer into an 

account that is yet to be nominated. We 
need a foreign partner, because as civil servants, the code 

of conduct does not allow us to 
operate foreign bank accounts. Hence we solicit for your 

assistance, we are requesting you to 
provide us with the help for the safekeeping of this money 

until our arrival in your company to 
collect our share and decide on investment possibilities of 

this money. 

Sharing modalities will be discussed once you have secured the money in your 
account.To enable the prompt transfer of this 

money, kindly send to us your 
personal details, contact information  bank details in full 

where the funds will be remitted for further transfer to any 

account of your choice.

We look forward to hearing from you and thanking you for 

your anticipated cooperation and 
consideration in the above subject matter. Please be 

informed that we would appreciate the 
handling of this transaction in a confidential manner. We 

sincerely advise that you contact us on 
the above Telefax number to maintain the confidentiality of 

the business. Sending e-mail will be 
appreciated. 

Yours sincerely, 

DR. James Peter . 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Mr.Lawrence]

CONFIDENTIAL PARTHNERSHIP
 ==
 
My name is Mr. Oluwatobi Lawrence manager, credit and foreign bills of
Ecobank Plc. I am writing in respect of a foreign customer of my bank
  who perished in a plane crash [Korean Air Flight 801] with the whole passengers 
aboard on August 6, 1997.
 
   Since the demise of this our customer, I personally has watched with
keen interest to see the next of kin but all has proved abortive as no
one has come to claim his funds of usd.20.5 m, [twenty million five
hundred thousand united states dollars] which has been with my branch
for a very long time.
 
   On this note, I decided to seek for whom his name shall be used as
the next of kin as no one has come up to be the next of kin. And the
banking ethics here does not allow such money to stay more than six
years, because money will be recalled to the bank treasury as unclaimed after this 
period. In view of this I had to contact you personally so that we can understand each 
other better. I will give you 25% of the total,am offering you this percentage so that 
you will not think am not given you a fair share.
 
   Upon the receipt of your response, I will send you by fax or e-mail
the application, bank's fax number and the next step to take. I will
notfail tobring to your notice that this business is hitch free and
thatyou should not entertain any fear as all modalities for fund
transfer can be finalized within five banking days, after you apply to the bank as a 
relation to the deceased.
 
   When you receive this letter. Kindly send me an e-mail signifying
   your decision including your private Tel/Fax numbers for quick
   communication.
 
 
 
Respectfully submitted,
 
 
Mr. Oluwatobi  Lawrence
Manager
Credit and Foreign Bills DEPT.
Ecobank Plc.
 
NB:IMPORTANT! please i would like you to contact me through my private mail box
   if i do not get back to you due to internet connection in the country
   at:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Or better still you call me at:234-80-5507-1652
 
 

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Dear Sir,


First, i must solicit your confidence in this transaction.This is by virtue of its 
nature as being utterly CONFIDENTIAL AND TOP SECRET. however after series of petition 
was recieved by this present regime from foreign contractors and reports from the 
world Bank and the International Monetry Fund (I.M.F)as  the inability of the Central 
Bank of Nigeria to fulfill their obligation for the payment to its foreign creditors, 
Our Head of State (the president) in conjuntion with the council of ministers,has 
mandated us to carry out a careful and comprehensive review of all overdue payments to 
foreign contractors and to effect payments immediately,so as to sanitize the image of 
our great country caused by the embarrasment. 
In view of the above,the country has found it very necessary to review some contract 
files and application submitted to the Central Bank of Nigeria for payment. After 
going through some contracts files and with all application further carefully 
investigated.I found out  to my greatest surprise that some of them are not the actual 
Beneficiary of the funds they were about to claim.They were acting in collaboration 
with some highly placed connected government officials here in Nigeria to claim these 
money. And I am sure,and in no doubt that this is one of the reason  why the funds has 
not been transfered into their accounts. Really,this fund is still existing in our 
government annual report payment schedules on foreign debt as unclaimed and in their 
favour as the sole beneficiary.But it is really unfortunate that their representative 
here in Nigeria did not complete the transaction because they dont have the experience 
and so they abandon them.
My main purpose of contacting you is for you to help us to receive this money 
overseas,All we need from you is for you to stand as a frontier to claim the said fund 
  we will pouch the money diplomatically to you through a courier company, we have 
being able to secure $30 .5 million.Every modalities have been put in place to 
actualise this fund without any hitch,
We have agreed that, the funds will be shared thus, after it has been transferred into 
your account. 
1. 25% of the money will go to you for acting as the beneficiary of the fund. 
2. 10% will be set aside for reimbursement to both parties for any incidental expenses 
that may be incurred in the course of the transfer. 
3. 65% to us the originators of the transaction
 NOTE: Let honesty,confidentiality and trust be our watchword throughout this deal and 
your prompt reply will be highly appreciated thank you for your anticipated 
co-operation while I look forward to a matually benefitting business relation with 
you. Please Reach me on my Email Address above,  Treat as strictly confidential for 
obvious reasons you know I am still in service. 

Yours faithfully 
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Dr.BOFU OSODI
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Sir,

I am Dr.BOFU OSODI, Director of Bills/Exchange at
the Foreign Remittance Department of ABSA Bank in
South Africa., I apologized using this medium to reach you for a
transaction/business of this magnitude, but this is due to Confidentiality and
prompt access reposed on this medium. Be informed that a member of the South
Africa Bank Promotion Council (SBPC) who was at the Government delegation to
your country during a trade exhibition, gave your enviable credentials/
particulars to me. I have decided to seek
a confidential co-operation with you in the execution of the deal described Here
under for the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it as a top secret
because of the nature of this transaction.

In my department where I work  with the cooperation of four other top
officials,we have in our possession an over invoiced payment bills totaling
Twenty-Four
Million, Two hundred Thousand United State Dollars ($24,200,000.) which we
wantto transfer abroad with
the assistance and cooperation of a foreign
company/individual to receive the said fund on our
behalf or a reliable foreign non-company account to receive such funds. More
so,we are handicapped in the circumstances, as the South Africa Civil Service
Code
of Conduct does not allow us to operate offshore account secondly,  now it is
being speculated that the above sum will be transferred into the government
account as an unclaimed fund on or before December 2003.And we do not want the
money to go into the government account as unclaimed bill. Hence your importance
in the whole transaction.

This amount $24.2m represents the balance of the total contract value executed
on behalf of my Department by a foreign contractor firm, which we the officials
over-invoiced deliberately. Though the actual contract cost have been paid to
the original contractor,leaving the  balance in the tune of the said amount
which we have in principles gotten approval to remit by Key tested Telegraphic
Transfer (K.T.T) to any foreign bank
account you will provide

It is based on this that some officials in my
department and I have decided to establish a cordial business relationship with
you, hence my contacting you. We want you to present yourself as the
Beneficiary
to this fund, so that we can release the fund into your account for safety and
subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it.

The mode of sharing, after a successful transfer of the money into your account
would be: 60% to my
colleagues and I; 30% will go to you, and 10% is set aside to off-set all the
expenses we would incur at the course of this business.

Remember that my present situation will  not allow me to search for another
person, I absolutely HOLD YOU ON TRUST.

If you are interested in this deal, you are therefore urged to respond
immediately either by a reply to this my email address:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  to
enable me intimate you with the detail information on the modalities. Please
treat this business proposal as  strictly confidential for security reasons.

Kind Personal Regards,

Dr.BOFU OSODI.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Johannesburg, South Africa

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Dr.BOFU OSODI
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Sir,

I am Dr.BOFU OSODI, Director of Bills/Exchange at
the Foreign Remittance Department of ABSA Bank in
South Africa., I apologized using this medium to reach you for a
transaction/business of this magnitude, but this is due to Confidentiality and
prompt access reposed on this medium. Be informed that a member of the South
Africa Bank Promotion Council (SBPC) who was at the Government delegation to
your country during a trade exhibition, gave your enviable credentials/
particulars to me. I have decided to seek
a confidential co-operation with you in the execution of the deal described Here
under for the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it as a top secret
because of the nature of this transaction.

In my department where I work  with the cooperation of four other top
officials,we have in our possession an over invoiced payment bills totaling
Twenty-Four
Million, Two hundred Thousand United State Dollars ($24,200,000.) which we
wantto transfer abroad with
the assistance and cooperation of a foreign
company/individual to receive the said fund on our
behalf or a reliable foreign non-company account to receive such funds. More
so,we are handicapped in the circumstances, as the South Africa Civil Service
Code
of Conduct does not allow us to operate offshore account secondly,  now it is
being speculated that the above sum will be transferred into the government
account as an unclaimed fund on or before December 2003.And we do not want the
money to go into the government account as unclaimed bill. Hence your importance
in the whole transaction.

This amount $24.2m represents the balance of the total contract value executed
on behalf of my Department by a foreign contractor firm, which we the officials
over-invoiced deliberately. Though the actual contract cost have been paid to
the original contractor,leaving the  balance in the tune of the said amount
which we have in principles gotten approval to remit by Key tested Telegraphic
Transfer (K.T.T) to any foreign bank
account you will provide

It is based on this that some officials in my
department and I have decided to establish a cordial business relationship with
you, hence my contacting you. We want you to present yourself as the
Beneficiary
to this fund, so that we can release the fund into your account for safety and
subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it.

The mode of sharing, after a successful transfer of the money into your account
would be: 60% to my
colleagues and I; 30% will go to you, and 10% is set aside to off-set all the
expenses we would incur at the course of this business.

Remember that my present situation will  not allow me to search for another
person, I absolutely HOLD YOU ON TRUST.

If you are interested in this deal, you are therefore urged to respond
immediately either by a reply to this my email address:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  to
enable me intimate you with the detail information on the modalities. Please
treat this business proposal as  strictly confidential for security reasons.

Kind Personal Regards,

Dr.BOFU OSODI.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Johannesburg, South Africa

Hello!

[BOFU OSODI]

Dr.BOFU OSODI
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Sir,

I am Dr.BOFU OSODI, Director of Bills/Exchange at
the Foreign Remittance Department of ABSA Bank in
South Africa., I apologized using this medium to reach you for a transaction/business 
of this magnitude, but this is due to Confidentiality and prompt access reposed on 
this medium. Be informed that a member of the South Africa Bank Promotion Council 
(SBPC) who was at the Government delegation to your country during a trade exhibition, 
gave your enviable credentials/
particulars to me. I have decided to seek
a confidential co-operation with you in the execution of the deal described Here under 
for the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it as a top secret
because of the nature of this transaction.

In my department where I work  with the cooperation of four other top officials,we 
have in our possession an over invoiced payment bills totaling Twenty-Four
Million, Two hundred Thousand United State Dollars ($24,200,000.) which we wantto 
transfer abroad with
the assistance and cooperation of a foreign
company/individual to receive the said fund on our
behalf or a reliable foreign non-company account to receive such funds. More so,we are 
handicapped in the circumstances, as the South Africa Civil Service Code
of Conduct does not allow us to operate offshore account secondly,  now it is being 
speculated that the above sum will be transferred into the government
account as an unclaimed fund on or before December 2003.And we do not want the money 
to go into the government account as unclaimed bill. Hence your importance in the 
whole transaction.

This amount $24.2m represents the balance of the total contract value executed on 
behalf of my Department by a foreign contractor firm, which we the officials
over-invoiced deliberately. Though the actual contract cost have been paid to the 
original contractor,leaving the  balance in the tune of the said amount which we have 
in principles gotten approval to remit by Key tested Telegraphic Transfer (K.T.T) to 
any foreign bank
account you will provide

It is based on this that some officials in my
department and I have decided to establish a cordial business relationship with you, 
hence my contacting you. We want you to present yourself as the Beneficiary
to this fund, so that we can release the fund into your account for safety and 
subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it.

The mode of sharing, after a successful transfer of the money into your account would 
be: 60% to my
colleagues and I; 30% will go to you, and 10% is set aside to off-set all the expenses 
we would incur at the course of this business.

Remember that my present situation will  not allow me to search for another person, I 
absolutely HOLD YOU ON TRUST.

If you are interested in this deal, you are therefore urged to respond immediately 
either by a reply to this my email address:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  to
enable me intimate you with the detail information on the modalities. Please treat 
this business proposal as  strictly confidential for security reasons.

Kind Personal Regards,

Dr.BOFU OSODI.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Johannesburg, South Africa

Hello!

[BOFU OSODI]

Dr.BOFU OSODI
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Sir,

I am Dr.BOFU OSODI, Director of Bills/Exchange at
the Foreign Remittance Department of ABSA Bank in
South Africa., I apologized using this medium to reach you for a transaction/business 
of this magnitude, but this is due to Confidentiality and prompt access reposed on 
this medium. Be informed that a member of the South Africa Bank Promotion Council 
(SBPC) who was at the Government delegation to your country during a trade exhibition, 
gave your enviable credentials/
particulars to me. I have decided to seek
a confidential co-operation with you in the execution of the deal described Here under 
for the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it as a top secret
because of the nature of this transaction.

In my department where I work  with the cooperation of four other top officials,we 
have in our possession an over invoiced payment bills totaling Twenty-Four
Million, Two hundred Thousand United State Dollars ($24,200,000.) which we wantto 
transfer abroad with
the assistance and cooperation of a foreign
company/individual to receive the said fund on our
behalf or a reliable foreign non-company account to receive such funds. More so,we are 
handicapped in the circumstances, as the South Africa Civil Service Code
of Conduct does not allow us to operate offshore account secondly,  now it is being 
speculated that the above sum will be transferred into the government
account as an unclaimed fund on or before December 2003.And we do not want the money 
to go into the government account as unclaimed bill. Hence your importance in the 
whole transaction.

This amount $24.2m represents the balance of the total contract value executed on 
behalf of my Department by a foreign contractor firm, which we the officials
over-invoiced deliberately. Though the actual contract cost have been paid to the 
original contractor,leaving the  balance in the tune of the said amount which we have 
in principles gotten approval to remit by Key tested Telegraphic Transfer (K.T.T) to 
any foreign bank
account you will provide

It is based on this that some officials in my
department and I have decided to establish a cordial business relationship with you, 
hence my contacting you. We want you to present yourself as the Beneficiary
to this fund, so that we can release the fund into your account for safety and 
subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it.

The mode of sharing, after a successful transfer of the money into your account would 
be: 60% to my
colleagues and I; 30% will go to you, and 10% is set aside to off-set all the expenses 
we would incur at the course of this business.

Remember that my present situation will  not allow me to search for another person, I 
absolutely HOLD YOU ON TRUST.

If you are interested in this deal, you are therefore urged to respond immediately 
either by a reply to this my email address:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  to
enable me intimate you with the detail information on the modalities. Please treat 
this business proposal as  strictly confidential for security reasons.

Kind Personal Regards,

Dr.BOFU OSODI.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Johannesburg, South Africa

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[abu eze]

FROM THE DESK OF: MR. ABU EZE
UNION BANK OF NIGERIA PLC.
VICTORIA ISLAND BRANCH, LAGOS.
DEAR SIR/MADAM,

FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR CONFIDENCE IN THIS TRANSACTION, THIS IS BY
VIRTUE OF IT IS NATURE AS BEING UTTERLY CONFIDENCIAL AND TOP SECRET.
THOUGH I KNOW THAT ALL WILL BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE DECIDED
TO CONTACT YOU DUE TO THE URGENCY OF THIS TRANSACTION AS WE FEEL THAT YOU
MAY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HANDLE SUCH TRANSACTION.

LET ME START BY INTRODUCING MYSELF TO YOU, I AM MR. ABU EZEAN ACCOUNTANT
WITH UNION BANK OF NIGERIA PLC. LAGOS. I CAME TO KNOW YOU IN MY PRIVATE
SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON TO HANDLE THIS CONFIDENCIAL
BUSINESS TRANSACTION. A FOREIGNER, LATE ENGR. JOHNSON CREEK, AN OIL
MARCHANT/CONTRACTOR WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERA UNTIL HIS DEATH
IN 1999 IN A GHASTLY AUTOMOBILE CRASH, BANKED WITH US HERE AT UNION BANK
PLC. VICTORIA ISLAND BRANCH AND HAD A CLOSING BALANCE OF US$20.5M (TWENTY
MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS) WHICH THE BANK UNQUESTIONABLY
EXPECTS IT TO BE CLAIMED BY ANY AVAILABLE FOREIGN NEXT OF KIN OF THE LATE
BENEFICIARY OR ALTERNATIVELY BE DONATED TO A DISCREDITED TRUST FUND FOR
ARMS AND AMMUNITION AT A MILITARY WAR COLLEGE HERE IN NIGERIA.

FERVENTLY, VALUABLE EFFORT WAS MADE BY THE UNION BANK TO GET IN TOUCH WITH
ANY OF THE CREEK'S FAMILY OR RELATIVE BUT PROVED TO NO AVAIL. IT IS
BECAUSE OF THE PERCEIVED POSSIBLY OF NOT BEING ABLE TO LOCATE ANY OF THE
LATE ENGR. JOHNSON CREEKS'S NEXT OF KIN (HE HAD NO WIFE AND CHILDREN) THAT
THE MANAGEMENT UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF OUR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE
BOARDS OF DIRECTOR, RETIRED MAJOR GENERAL KALU UKE KALU, THAT AN
ARRANGEMENT BE MADE FOR THE FUNDS TO BE DECLARED UNCLAIMABLE AND
SUBSEQUENTLY BE DONATED TO THE TRUST FUND FOR ARMS AND AMMUNITION TO
FURTHER ENHANCE THE COURSE OF WAR IN AFRICA AND THE WORLD IN GENERAL AS
STATED IN THE OUR FINANCIAL CONSTITUTION THAT ANY UNCLAIMED DEPOSITED FUND
AFTER FOUR YEARS IS CONVERTED.

IN ORDER TO AVERT THIS NEGATIVE DEVELOPMENT, SOME OF MY TRUSTED COLLEGUES
AND I NOW SEEK YOUR PERMISSION TO HAVE YOU STAND AS THE NEXT-OF-KIN TO
ENGR. JOHNSON CREEK SO THAT THE FUNDS US$ 20.5M (TWENTY MILLION FIVE
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS) WOULD BE RELEASED AND PAYED INTO YOUR BANK
ACCOUNT AS THE BENEFICIARY NEXT OF KIN. ALL DOCUMENTS AND PROVES TO ENABLE
YOU GET THIS FUND WILL BE CAREFUL WORKED OUT AND MORE SO WE ARE, ASSURING
YOU A 100% RISK FREE INVOLVMENT. YOUR SHARE STAYS WHILE THE REST WILL BE
FOR MY COLLEGUE AND MYSELF FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSE IN YOUR COUNTRY.

IF THIS PROPOSAL IS ALL RIGHT BY YOU THEN KINDLY GET BACK TO ME
IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAILING ME THROUGH THIS EMAIL ADDRESS.

 THANKING YOU IN ANTICIPATION OF YOUR COOPERATION.

 YOURS FAITHFULLY,

 MR. ABU EZE

(ACCOUNTANT UNION BANK PLC)

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