Re: On how the NSA can be generations ahead
On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 10:20:38AM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Tyler D asked about how the NSA could be so far ahead. Besides their ability to make 2 sq. chips at 10% yield (not something a commercial entity could get away with) What, exactly, would be the point of doing this? More gates == more processing. they can also *thin and glue* those chips into say stacks of 5 thinned die. As easily as you could do this to high efficiency chips. It's possible, using technologies like flip-chip. But its not as good as having everything on one die. The interconnects are limited in number and large in size, so they take up a lot of room. Stacked die are also more difficult to keep cool. 2 sq = 4 x performance How do you figure 4x performance on a 2 chip? Most of the chip performance is tied to the total distance that signals must traverse across the chip surface. 4x the gates (roughly) means 4x performance. Chip performance, especially for highly parellizable things like key cracking, is determined by the number of gates. Eric
Terror Threat Level Is Raised For Key U.S. Financial Buildings
http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB109136672993879685,00.html The Wall Street Journal August 1, 2004 2:46 p.m. EDT WORLD NEWS Terror Threat Level Is Raised For Key U.S. Financial Buildings Associated Press August 1, 2004 2:46 p.m. NEW YORK -- The federal government warned today of possible terrorist attacks against iconic financial institutions in New York City, Washington and Newark, N.J., saying a confluence of intelligence over the weekend pointed to a car or truck bomb. Specifically, the government named these buildings as potential targets: The Citicorp building and the New York Stock Exchange in New York City; The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank buildings in Washington; and the Prudential Financial building in Newark. The government said the new intelligence indicated the meticulous planning of al Qaeda. He identified explosives as the likely mode of attack, as opposed to a chemical or biological attack or a radiological dirty bomb. Mr. Ridge said the government's threat level for financial institutions in just these three cities would be raised to orange, or high alert, but would remain at yellow, or elevated, elsewhere. The government provided a wealth of detail that it had picked up in the past 36 hours, but a senior intelligence official described it only on condition of anonymity. The official described excruciating detail and meticulous planning indicative of al Qaeda. The official said the intelligence included security in and around these buildings; the flow of pedestrians; the best places for reconnaissance; how to make contact with employees who work in the buildings; the construction of the buildings; traffic patterns; locations of hospitals and police departments; and which days of the week present less security at these buildings. To illustrate the level of detail obtained, the official cited these examples: midweek pedestrian traffic of 14 people per minute on each side of the street for a total of 28 people; that some explosives might not be hot enough to melt steel; and that the construction of some buildings might prevent them from falling down. The official said he had not seen such extraordinary detail in his 24 years in intelligence work. Mr. Ridge said it would be up to New York City officials to decide whether to move to the highest level, red. The city has remained on orange since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The threat potential remains through the Nov. 2 elections, he said. The secretary said the government took the unprecedented step of naming specific buildings because of the level of specificity of the intelligence. This is not the usual chatter. This is multiple sources that involve extraordinary detail, Mr. Ridge said. He said the government decided to notify the public because of the specificity of detail it had obtained. Mr. Ridge acknowledged that protecting these buildings, located in heavily populated areas, would require additional security measures, especially because thousands of cars and trucks travel through these cities daily. Car and truck bombs are one of the most difficult tasks we have in the war on terror, Mr. Ridge said. Local and state officials were notified earlier in the day and Mr. Ridge said new security procedures were already being put in place. A White House spokeswoman, Erin Healy, said the intelligence on the threat was very new, coming in during the last 72 hours. The president made the final decision today agreeing with the recommendation of Secretary Ridge to go ahead and raise the threat level in these select areas, Ms. Healy said. This was the first time the color-coded warning system had been used in such a narrow, targeted way, Mr. Ridge said at a news conference at department headquarters. With this kind of information comes action, he said. This is sobering news. Referring to terrorists who are hostile to the U.S., Mr. Ridge said, Iconic economic targets are at the heart of their interest. He said workers at the five specific buildings should get guidance from security officers at each site and remain alert as they go to work. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
RE: On how the NSA can be generations ahead
Well, there's no doubt that what Variola says is basically correct. But it doesn't exactly apply to the specific situation I was referring to, which was whether something inconspicuous might be slipped into a CO unbeknownst to the rank-and-file (ie, the CO manager would probably receive some kind of order saying there'd be a special installation one day...just leave those guys alone and don't worry about the little box they're putting in...it just measures traffic is all). But the kind of iron that would be needed to unpackage and then pull out and record pretty much everything would still be a huge, power-hungry beast with mutliple racks and cards. Why do I say this? Well... When I spoke of 0.13um technology, my thought had nothing to do with the yield, but merely with the size/power of the device. Examination of current off-the-shelf chip architectures (and network processors are still a couple of years behind the ASICs) indicates that, unless a LOT of chips in that range are used, they wouldn't be able to do the above. This means they've got to do all this unpacking in some kind of central location (ie, not a CO), where I do believe what Variola speaks of is possible. BUT, they've got to get it all there. This means they'd either have to put in tons of lasers and gear (essentially creating a 1:1 copy of the current transport network), or else CALEA the most likely batches of traffic and then send it back. They probably WANT to get it all (GIG-BE, anyone?) but they simply don't have the gear nor power nor footprint available to them. If nothing else, it would be hugely conspicious. There'd be no way to hide it from the craft, nor from the rest of the world (all that gear would need a big army of secret craftpersons). This leads me back to burst mode. I'm sure there are many uses for burst mode, but I'd also bet this is one of the drivers. It's probably worth examining whether they're putting a lot of money into signaling. Look for unheard of startups as paying members of OIF and the GMPLS fora. No, the NSA is probably generations ahead in some areas, but their fabs aren't much better than what's available commercially. -TD _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
Re: Al-Q targeting NY corporations?
Nah, if you're an Al Qaeda member, it's your duty to open up more donut shops and in fact, have a policy of free donuts to every cop. Infact, you should send crates of donuts to every police precinct several times a day. I'd suggest a 10:1 donut to officer ratio. I'm pretty sure I saw bin Laden working in Kabab King in Jackson Heights. I know it's him 'cause when I ordered I saw him spit on my Kababs. I said, yo Osama...what the fuck're you doin' to my Kebabs. His reply: Fuck you infidel. You want Pakistani food go to a buffet down the street. As for targeting Financial Institutions, I went and painted a giant JP Morgan symbol on the roof of Madison Square Garden last week. Think it'll work? If it doesn't, like I said I'll try to sniff a hotspot from under the rubble for one last Cypherpunks post. -TD From: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Al-Q targeting NY corporations? Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:58:46 -0400 (edt) FUD Mode=True I've a better idea for the terrorists who may be paying attention, why not just leave NYC alone and target something more useful to take out - like Microsoft, for example. IMHO, the planes that were targeted at the WTC would have been better directed at various Redmond, WA buildings. They're after all a very big company with a lot of billions - that would have been far more spectacular an attack than a couple of profitless eyesores blocking everyone's view of the Statue of Liberty. BURP And what's with attacking the pentagon? They're the biggest sink of Evil American Taxpayer funds after all. Don't you want your enemies wasting billions of dollars on shitty airplanes and helicopters that crash themselves? Besides, if you want to piss off the NY Cops, don't attack One Police Plaza, take out Dunkin Donuts and Krispy Kreme joints... well, wait, I kinda like Krispy Kreme once in a while, ok, just Dunkin Donuts... Or better yet, don't! The artery clogging fat and the diabetes inducing sugar+starch already do plenty. Nah, if you're an Al Qaeda member, it's your duty to open up more donut shops and in fact, have a policy of free donuts to every cop. Infact, you should send crates of donuts to every police precinct several times a day. I'd suggest a 10:1 donut to officer ratio. Ditto for McDonalds foods. Add extra grease. The hydrogenated soybean kind! And why bother taking out the bridge to NJ - after all, NJ is where all the stench is (remember that old joke: Girlfriend Kiss me where it smells, Boyfriend: Ok, let's drive to NJ! You're better off leaving that bridge alone, so commuters can be terrorized by the industrial stench as they drive through, and by all the delays. Infact, if you're an Al Qaeda engineer, you'll want to BUILD more bridges to NJ, so more Satan Loving American Infidels will get sickened by it. Oh yeah, and be sure to vote for Bush. He'll be sure to fuck the economy even worse and put more draconian laws into effect. You Al-Qaeda types hate us for having freedom, right? So Dubbya's your perfect boy for that. That's the real way to be a terrorist, not by wasting your time on some dumb ass fireworks by airplane. Pshaw, only amateur terrorists do it that way. /FUD --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :I find it ironic that, on an amendment designed to protect /|\ \|/ :American democracy and our constitutional rights, the /\|/\ --*--:Republican leadership in the House had to rig the vote and \/|\/ /|\ :subvert the democratic process in order to prevail \|/ + v + : -- Rep. Sanders re vote to ammend the US PATRIOT ACT. -- http://www.sunder.net On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Article below. Just in case AQ is listening, I'd like to remind them that there are some other states that also have some *really* good targets ;-) But, if you're just stuck on New York, let me make my recommendations: _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
On how the NSA can be generations ahead
Tyler D asked about how the NSA could be so far ahead. Besides their ability to make 2 sq. chips at 10% yield (not something a commercial entity could get away with) they can also *thin and glue* those chips into say stacks of 5 thinned die. 2 sq = 4 x performance 5 thinned die with GHz vias = 20 x performance. Both are uneconomical but feasible. Get it? Any questions? - all your burst-mode wall-chair-molding-bugs in the state dept are belong to us...
Re: Terror Threat Level Is Raised For Key U.S. Financial Buildings
At 12:00 PM 8/1/2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB109136672993879685,00.html Terror Threat Level Is Raised For Key U.S. Financial Buildings Associated Press August 1, 2004 2:46 p.m. NEW YORK -- The federal government warned today of possible terrorist attacks against iconic financial institutions in New York City, Washington and Newark, N.J., saying a confluence of intelligence over the weekend pointed to a car or truck bomb. In related news, Homeland Security reported that there have been sightings of a Big Scary Wolf near the edges of Your Village. These aren't the usual Wolf reports - there's serious chatter among shepherd sources and we've interrogated a bunch of sheep lately who've confirmed that the Wolf is out there and identified a bunch of different parts of the village where the wolf may strike next. I'm getting really tired of the irresponsibility of the American press reporting this stuff uncritically.
Re: Al-Q targeting NY corporations?
FUD Mode=True I've a better idea for the terrorists who may be paying attention, why not just leave NYC alone and target something more useful to take out - like Microsoft, for example. IMHO, the planes that were targeted at the WTC would have been better directed at various Redmond, WA buildings. They're after all a very big company with a lot of billions - that would have been far more spectacular an attack than a couple of profitless eyesores blocking everyone's view of the Statue of Liberty. BURP And what's with attacking the pentagon? They're the biggest sink of Evil American Taxpayer funds after all. Don't you want your enemies wasting billions of dollars on shitty airplanes and helicopters that crash themselves? Besides, if you want to piss off the NY Cops, don't attack One Police Plaza, take out Dunkin Donuts and Krispy Kreme joints... well, wait, I kinda like Krispy Kreme once in a while, ok, just Dunkin Donuts... Or better yet, don't! The artery clogging fat and the diabetes inducing sugar+starch already do plenty. Nah, if you're an Al Qaeda member, it's your duty to open up more donut shops and in fact, have a policy of free donuts to every cop. Infact, you should send crates of donuts to every police precinct several times a day. I'd suggest a 10:1 donut to officer ratio. Ditto for McDonalds foods. Add extra grease. The hydrogenated soybean kind! And why bother taking out the bridge to NJ - after all, NJ is where all the stench is (remember that old joke: Girlfriend Kiss me where it smells, Boyfriend: Ok, let's drive to NJ! You're better off leaving that bridge alone, so commuters can be terrorized by the industrial stench as they drive through, and by all the delays. Infact, if you're an Al Qaeda engineer, you'll want to BUILD more bridges to NJ, so more Satan Loving American Infidels will get sickened by it. Oh yeah, and be sure to vote for Bush. He'll be sure to fuck the economy even worse and put more draconian laws into effect. You Al-Qaeda types hate us for having freedom, right? So Dubbya's your perfect boy for that. That's the real way to be a terrorist, not by wasting your time on some dumb ass fireworks by airplane. Pshaw, only amateur terrorists do it that way. /FUD --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :I find it ironic that, on an amendment designed to protect /|\ \|/ :American democracy and our constitutional rights, the /\|/\ --*--:Republican leadership in the House had to rig the vote and \/|\/ /|\ :subvert the democratic process in order to prevail \|/ + v + : -- Rep. Sanders re vote to ammend the US PATRIOT ACT. -- http://www.sunder.net On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Article below. Just in case AQ is listening, I'd like to remind them that there are some other states that also have some *really* good targets ;-) But, if you're just stuck on New York, let me make my recommendations:
Re: Al-Q targeting NY corporations?
Not yet aware the NY-bound wetback had been nabbed we posted material and photos on July 29 about how Amtrak and Long Island Railroad Manhattan tunnels provide easy access to Madison Square Garden located above subterranean Penn Station and the nearby post office where the thousands of press are to be isolated from protestors: http://cryptome.org/rnc-prep-01.htm We noted that the tunnels are known to be highly hazardous due to lack of fire protection and emergency exits. Shortly a flood of hits started coming from federal, NY state and NYC security IPs -- Treasury, Homeland Security, DOT, GSA; Kallstrom's NYS Office of Public Security and a host of Albany agencies; NYPD, FDNY, the Transit Agency; Suffolk County adjoining NYC; various from New Jersey; and a slew of other locations. While some were familiar, a lot of these had not come around before. None telephoned or visited, maybe during the work week when the round-up begins as a result of squeezing the intruder. Presumably red-team postings -- call them chatter, or better: the naming of specific targets -- get fired off to tight-fisted financing agencies to cut loose some emergency bucks, in the Bush re-election manner. Many more to come before November. Perhaps some real, more more likely fabbed from odds and ends sucked from the ether of hard-up operatives -- NYPD Intelligence Commish is ex-CIA. Ridge has just named names of targets, being unable to get serious attention with over-used chatter. One notable target in every major city, perfect campaign fodder. We'll be providing more red-team tell-tales of what's wrong with security in NYC, pisspoor at warding off those who hate it, great at alluring the haters to its sin spots, Wall Street, finance cesses, et al, many such love-haters who will soon be convening to expurge their sins at the hallowed ground zip, praying for more of the golden natsec rain.
Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
This is what J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said about Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarde on 24 Jul 2004 at 18:44 On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: There might be blind cypherpunks, we don't discriminate[1], There Is No We. [1] the original phone phreaks were blind, This is a ridiculous statement, and even worse, leaks information about your nym: [young enough to have not been there]. You are thinking of Joe Whistler Joe Egressia (sp?), and the kid form New York whose names escape me at the moment. These two do not even com close to the original phone phreaks were blind. More like at least two of the original batch of phreaks were blind. Or are you thinking of the Three Blind Phreaks, profiled in Wired magazine earlier this year? http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/phreaks.html --Bob.
Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
At 12:07 AM 7/29/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Did you know that your teeth enamel contain isotope ratios that encode regions where you might have grown up around age 6? Yes. I am also aware that tooth enamel has the interesting property of trapping a fantastic number of parmaceuticals. No. Your tooth enamel is static after you grow adult teeth. Your bones recycle every 10-20 years. Your hair gives away your indulgences though, which is what you allude to. Of interest to anthropologists, eg the folks who pinned Otzi's birthplace to other than where he was found. Anyone who wants to piss-test me will find his desk fully irrigated next day.
Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
At 12:36 PM 7/29/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Remember that the spookfabs don't have to contend with *economics and yield*. Damn, this is precisely where I wish Tim May was still around. We are all just echoes of the voices in his head. But I did work for a company that owned fabs. And have kept up with the semiconductor lit. Yield is a big deal ---you either fit it on a square inch of Si or you don't make it (profitably). The profitably part is a non-issue when you have black budgets, ie $400 toilet seats. Bottom line: they're not ahead in tech, but they can make things that private-co engineeers only dream of. DesCrack is a suitcase, get it? I'll let you speculate on AESCrack :-)
Al-Q targeting NY corporations?
Article below. Just in case AQ is listening, I'd like to remind them that there are some other states that also have some *really* good targets ;-) But, if you're just stuck on New York, let me make my recommendations: (1) Citicorp Center. Thousands of people work in this one gargantuan and profoundly ugly building. As a bonus, it belongs to one of Israel's biggest finance sources ;-) (2) One Police Plaza. Not just for donuts anymore! This huge, purpose-built, multibuilding plaza houses a significant percentage of New York's police department. As a bonus, it is also a centralized facility which serves a large number of federal and state agencies as well. One Stop Shopping!!! (3) The George Martha Washington Bridges. These two bridges share a single two level span which connects New York and New Jersey (the Martha bridge was an add-on to the George, when George turned out to be too small to carry all the traffic). Destruction of these two incredibly ugly and poorly designed bridges would be a boon for the esthetic flavor of the area (which is otherwise surrounded by some of the most beautiful areas in New York City proper), not to mention the air quality. And, for AQ, the resulting economic damages would amount ot a Gift That Keeps On Giving ;-) Happy Hunting! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more? - http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=EVMVMWLEROJ22CRBAE0CFFA?type=topNewsstoryID=5836688 NYPD Source: Al Qaeda May Target New York Firms Sun Aug 1, 2004 09:31 AM ET By Mark Egan NEW YORK (Reuters) - Top federal and local law enforcement officials met in New York during the weekend to discuss new intelligence about a possible al Qaeda attack against major corporations or high-profile buildings in Manhattan, a police source said on Sunday. The New York Police Department source told Reuters that increased intelligence chatter from overseas of a possible fresh attack of the city prompted meetings late Friday and early Saturday between NYPD chief Raymond Kelly and Pasquale Damuro, head of the FBI's office here. The intelligence is not specific but we are taking it very seriously, the source said, noting that the intelligence was deemed credible. New York was the city most affected by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks with almost 2,800 people killed when hijacked planes destroyed the twin towers of the World Trade Center. The city has remained on a heightened alert since then and federal officials have said that the Republican National Convention at the end of August would make an attractive terrorist target. The threat was first reported by ABC News, which said the authorities were particularly disturbed that the information indicated attacks may be carried out by one or more suicide truck bombings. Following the meetings, the NYPD issued a statement that said, Intelligence reporting indicates that al Qaeda continues to target for attack commercial and financial institutions, as well as international organizations, inside the United States. The police department said it recommends that corporate and institutional security directors review their protection of HVAC (heating, ventilation and air conditioning) systems, parking installations, and security in general. However, the department said the alert level for New York is unchanged and remains at the second-highest level of orange or high. At the Republican convention from Aug. 28 to Sept. 2, President Bush will be officially nominated to run for a second term in office. Thousands of delegates, a large contingent of media and as many as 200,000 protesters are expected in town for the event. U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge is scheduled to be in New York on Sunday and The New York Times quoted a law enforcement official saying he was expected to comment on the new information.
Al-Q targeting NY corporations...ah well.
Oh yeah... For those Cypherpunks that actually have sex with something other than their fist, the following statements are officially* fairly cypherpunkinsh: Hey...if I have to take out that garbage then the terrrorists have won. Ah well. We had a pretty good run. Let's face the fact that the party's over. If you don't give me that blowjob tonight, then the terrorist have won. Hey...bin Laden's MUCH safer than Washington Heights. Why can't they blow up the goddam Hollywood sign...all those LA-LA-ers are just dying to have candlelight vigils and sing CoomByeYa. * Fuck you Variola...I just had a couple of dark Spatens ON TAP. I therefore declare that any Cypherpunk is officially authorized to make an official Cypherpunk statement, particularly if it a) Gets them some poontang, b) Gets them a few extra $$$, c) deflects any kind of bullzhit, real or perceived, or 4) Ya' just feel like making an official statement. Such official statements can completely contradict any other official statement, and that are by no means binding on any other subscriber to the Cypherpunks list (and of course they couldn't be). From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Al-Q targeting NY corporations? Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:31:20 -0400 Nah, if you're an Al Qaeda member, it's your duty to open up more donut shops and in fact, have a policy of free donuts to every cop. Infact, you should send crates of donuts to every police precinct several times a day. I'd suggest a 10:1 donut to officer ratio. I'm pretty sure I saw bin Laden working in Kabab King in Jackson Heights. I know it's him 'cause when I ordered I saw him spit on my Kababs. I said, yo Osama...what the fuck're you doin' to my Kebabs. His reply: Fuck you infidel. You want Pakistani food go to a buffet down the street. As for targeting Financial Institutions, I went and painted a giant JP Morgan symbol on the roof of Madison Square Garden last week. Think it'll work? If it doesn't, like I said I'll try to sniff a hotspot from under the rubble for one last Cypherpunks post. -TD From: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Al-Q targeting NY corporations? Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:58:46 -0400 (edt) FUD Mode=True I've a better idea for the terrorists who may be paying attention, why not just leave NYC alone and target something more useful to take out - like Microsoft, for example. IMHO, the planes that were targeted at the WTC would have been better directed at various Redmond, WA buildings. They're after all a very big company with a lot of billions - that would have been far more spectacular an attack than a couple of profitless eyesores blocking everyone's view of the Statue of Liberty. BURP And what's with attacking the pentagon? They're the biggest sink of Evil American Taxpayer funds after all. Don't you want your enemies wasting billions of dollars on shitty airplanes and helicopters that crash themselves? Besides, if you want to piss off the NY Cops, don't attack One Police Plaza, take out Dunkin Donuts and Krispy Kreme joints... well, wait, I kinda like Krispy Kreme once in a while, ok, just Dunkin Donuts... Or better yet, don't! The artery clogging fat and the diabetes inducing sugar+starch already do plenty. Nah, if you're an Al Qaeda member, it's your duty to open up more donut shops and in fact, have a policy of free donuts to every cop. Infact, you should send crates of donuts to every police precinct several times a day. I'd suggest a 10:1 donut to officer ratio. Ditto for McDonalds foods. Add extra grease. The hydrogenated soybean kind! And why bother taking out the bridge to NJ - after all, NJ is where all the stench is (remember that old joke: Girlfriend Kiss me where it smells, Boyfriend: Ok, let's drive to NJ! You're better off leaving that bridge alone, so commuters can be terrorized by the industrial stench as they drive through, and by all the delays. Infact, if you're an Al Qaeda engineer, you'll want to BUILD more bridges to NJ, so more Satan Loving American Infidels will get sickened by it. Oh yeah, and be sure to vote for Bush. He'll be sure to fuck the economy even worse and put more draconian laws into effect. You Al-Qaeda types hate us for having freedom, right? So Dubbya's your perfect boy for that. That's the real way to be a terrorist, not by wasting your time on some dumb ass fireworks by airplane. Pshaw, only amateur terrorists do it that way. /FUD --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :I find it ironic that, on an amendment designed to protect /|\ \|/ :American democracy and our constitutional rights, the /\|/\ --*--:Republican leadership in the House had to rig the vote and \/|\/ /|\ :subvert the democratic process in order to prevail \|/ + v + : -- Rep. Sanders re vote to ammend the
