RE: Gripes About Airport Security Grow Louder

[Steve Thompson]

Speaking of mistakes I seem to have pasted the wrong message text when
I sent my reply to Mr. Trei.  I regret the unfortunate duplication and
consequent waste of list bandwidth.

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 --- "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
[mistake rate]
> If, in a capital case, where the money to pay public defenders
> is usually maximally available, and the appeals process, checks,
> and cross-checks are the more thorough than in any non-capital
> prosecution, you STILL get at least a 33% error rate, then what
> is the wrongfull conviction rate in non-capital cases, where there
> are far fewer appeals, and public defenders are paid a pittance?

I couldn't say, but it is well known that people who are accused
of a crime are given rather large incentives to plead guilty in
order to avoid the lengthly trial process.  This is, of course, a
major point.  However, there isn't much discussion about the 
lack of accountability for people (police, judicial officials,
etc.) who themselves run afoul of "the law" and who are rarely
punished at all.  And of course there's the lucrative prison
system with it's large union and bureaucracy.  Plus, many people
know about the recruiting facet of that industry in which some
individuals are groomed and incentivised to become agents of 
the state, in one capacity or another, in exchange for freedom
or lesser sentences.

Insofar as the intel community is concerned, it seems from my
perspective that there is no effective deterrent for violent
crime since you've pretty much got to do something really 
stupid before they'll prosecute: like cut off your wife's head
and store it in your freezer, or something equally gregarious.
For people in SpookWorld, fraud, larceny, perjury, and murder 
are merely the tools of the trade.

And don't get me started on about the cartels.


Regards,

Steve


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Re: MPAA files new film-swapping suits

[Eugen Leitl]

On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 10:16:44AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:

> That's an interesting point. They seem to be "attacking" at precisely the 
> correct rate to forcibly evolve P2P systems to be completely invulnerable 
> to such efforts.

Not really. The P2P assm^H^H^H^H architects are reissuing new systems with
holes patched reactively. There's no reason for a P2P system designed in 1996
to be water-tight to any threat model of 2010. (Strangely enough, they had
IP nazis and lawyers back then, too).
 
> Hum. Perhaps Tim May works for MPAA? Nah... he wasn't THAT bright, was he?

I think he was primarily one thing: frustrated. It's hard to see the idiots
win, year after year.

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Re: MPAA files new film-swapping suits

[Tyler Durden]

That's an interesting point. They seem to be "attacking" at precisely the 
correct rate to forcibly evolve P2P systems to be completely invulnerable to 
such efforts.

Hum. Perhaps Tim May works for MPAA? Nah... he wasn't THAT bright, was he?
-TD
From: Justin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MPAA files new film-swapping suits
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:59:15 +
> 
>
> Hollywood studios filed a second round of lawsuits against online
> movie-swappers on Wednesday, stepping up legal pressure on the 
file-trading
> community.

As much as I'd like to be upset, they are driving innovation of p2p
software.
--
"War is the father and king of all, and some he shows as gods, others as
men; some he makes slaves, others free."  --Heraclitus (Kahn.83/D-K.53)

RE: Gripes About Airport Security Grow Louder

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Thompson
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:13 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Gripes About Airport Security Grow Louder
> > 
> > 
> >  --- Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > [airport security]
> > > More indications of an emerging 'Brazil' scenario, as opposed to a 
> > > hyper-intelligent super-fascist state.
> > 
> > As if.
> > 
> > There already is a kind of intelligent super-fascist state in place
> > thoughout much of society.  My bugbears of the moment are the 
> > police and
> > courts, so you get my take on how they are organised so as to be
> > 'intelligent' without seeming so -- which further enables a 
> > whole lot of
> > fraud to masqerade as process and incompetence.  The 
> > super-fascist part
> > comes about because the system avoids public accountability while also
> > somehow evading any sort of reasonable standard of performance.
> > 
> > What's the error rate, that is the false arrest, prosecution, and/or
> > conviction rate of a Western countries' judiciary and police 
> > divitions? 
> > If it's even ten percent, and it's probably much higher, then 
> > there is no
> > reason to respect the operation and perpetuation of the system.  
> 
> One chilling data point. Remember a few years ago the (pro death
> penalty) governor of Illinois suspended all the death sentences in 
> has state? The reason being was that with the introduction of DNA
> testing, 1/3 of the people on death row were found to be innocent.
> 
> I don't know how many other innocents the state planned to murder, 
> but presumably there were some cases where DNA evidence was not
> available.
> 
> If, in a capital case, where the money to pay public defenders
> is usually maximally available, and the appeals process, checks,
> and cross-checks are the more thorough than in any non-capital
> prosecution, you STILL get at least a 33% error rate, then what
> is the wrongfull conviction rate in non-capital cases, where there
> are far fewer appeals, and public defenders are paid a pittance?
> 
> Peter Trei
>  

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Re: MPAA files new film-swapping suits

[Justin]

> 
> 
> Hollywood studios filed a second round of lawsuits against online
> movie-swappers on Wednesday, stepping up legal pressure on the file-trading
> community.

As much as I'd like to be upset, they are driving innovation of p2p
software.

-- 
"War is the father and king of all, and some he shows as gods, others as
men; some he makes slaves, others free."  --Heraclitus (Kahn.83/D-K.53) 

RE: Gripes About Airport Security Grow Louder

[Steve Thompson]

 --- Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
[mistake rate]
> And of course there's the fairly obvious point that lots of those in
> prison 
> "correctly" are there for drug-related "crimes". Said crimes would
> almost 
> completely dissappear and drug usage would drop if many of those drugs
> were 
> legalized and taxed. But God forbid that happen because what would all
> those 
> policemen do for a living? Prison workers? Judges?

Well, pot is bad.  Duh.  


Regards,

Steve


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