Re: Make antibiotic resistant pathogens at home! (Re: Policing Bioterro Research)
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: > I hope you are not letting the ends justify the means. As > someone here wrote it's just not right to even do a reverse > panopticon on the feebs who are building the total information > awareness surveillance on us. > > To do othewise would be failing to wait while dangers to freedom > and democracy gather. It would be making a preemptive strike > based only on your having credible evidence that your freedom is > endangered. > > You must not follow the example being set for you by your > government. Looking back, the French Resistance were simply > terrorists, attacking the legitmate Vichy Government, and using > terror and violence to achieve their political ends. Evil, just > evil. History needs to be revised to address these violent > criminals who did these violent deeds to their government. You realize you are talking to the CACL contingent don't you? Their view is anything that upsets them is justification for anything they want to do. Greed is good. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org
Re: Make antibiotic resistant pathogens at home! (Re: Policing Bioterro Research)
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > But why doing it in the first place? To contaminate an area, causing high > costs for decontamination? Doesn't compute. Unless you just want to annoy. > If you want to kill people, stick to nerve agents. Maximum impact > (relatively volatile, excellent LD50), short half life. If you're going to use small weapons against a huge enemy, the target has to be an important one. Bin Laden did that part right. In fact, why not use his tactics? Won't that accomplish something in ridding us of facisim? No, it won't. What's happened is the opposite, the totalitarian government is getting stronger (which is what Bin Laden wants - to be dictator of the world, so it does fit his plan). To me, that's proof that violent acts won't bring an end to the facist state. Small violent acts have to be really well focussed. Using the state to destroy itself requires a bit of hacking. The violence is then free. Dropping nerve gas or bombs won't do anything useful - look at Israel. I think we can do a lot more damage to the state without being violent. Being treacherous is good enough :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Make antibiotic resistant pathogens at home! (Re: Policing Bioterro Research)
-- Tim wrote: > > Expect to hear not of a hausfrau being busted, but of the > > roundup (so to speak) of Mohammed Sayeed, Hariq Azaz, and > > other thought criminals for buying two many gallons of > > Roundup at the local Walmart. On 24 Dec 2002 at 19:42, Anonymous wrote: > Not all that far-fetched, really. It would be fairly simple > to create a dioxin bomb by heating a 55gal drum of > polychlorinated phenols (2,4D or 2,45T) or polychlorinated > biphenols (PCBs from a powerline transformer say) until it > exploded. Put it upwind of the Whitehouse. The toxicity of dioxins is much overhyped. Any large power transformer that overheats is the equivalent of your dioxin bomb, and so far no one has noticed the supposedly devastating destruction created by such events. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG I/MUjNP0TjcfM8jSG/q6ilYM/BSusXQSnVFC62Oz 4qQn7Q8L8a5LQbDE/hF1+vLgvdmumy9NjYQuHGxYe
Re: Make antibiotic resistant pathogens at home! (Re: Policing Bioterro Research)
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:42:23 +0100 (CET), you wrote: > > Tim wrote: > > > Expect to hear not of a hausfrau being busted, but of the roundup (so > > to speak) of Mohammed Sayeed, Hariq Azaz, and other thought criminals > > for buying two many gallons of Roundup at the local Walmart. > >Not all that far-fetched, really. It would be fairly simple to create a > dioxin bomb by heating a 55gal drum of polychlorinated phenols (2,4D or 2,45T) > or polychlorinated biphenols (PCBs from a powerline transformer say) until it > exploded. Put it upwind of the Whitehouse. I hope you are not letting the ends justify the means. As someone here wrote it's just not right to even do a reverse panopticon on the feebs who are building the total information awareness surveillance on us. To do othewise would be failing to wait while dangers to freedom and democracy gather. It would be making a preemptive strike based only on your having credible evidence that your freedom is endangered. You must not follow the example being set for you by your government. Looking back, the French Resistance were simply terrorists, attacking the legitmate Vichy Government, and using terror and violence to achieve their political ends. Evil, just evil. History needs to be revised to address these violent criminals who did these violent deeds to their government.
Re: Make antibiotic resistant pathogens at home! (Re: Policing Bioterro Research)
Tim wrote: > Expect to hear not of a hausfrau being busted, but of the roundup (so > to speak) of Mohammed Sayeed, Hariq Azaz, and other thought criminals > for buying two many gallons of Roundup at the local Walmart. Not all that far-fetched, really. It would be fairly simple to create a dioxin bomb by heating a 55gal drum of polychlorinated phenols (2,4D or 2,45T) or polychlorinated biphenols (PCBs from a powerline transformer say) until it exploded. Put it upwind of the Whitehouse.
Re: Make antibiotic resistant pathogens at home! (Re: Policing Bioterro Research)
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, James A. Donald wrote: > On 24 Dec 2002 at 19:42, Anonymous wrote: > > Not all that far-fetched, really. It would be fairly simple > > to create a dioxin bomb by heating a 55gal drum of > > polychlorinated phenols (2,4D or 2,45T) or polychlorinated > > biphenols (PCBs from a powerline transformer say) until it > > exploded. Put it upwind of the Whitehouse. You're missing the catalyst (I would act copper powder offhand, and reflux in a high-b.p. solvent; or no solvent as you suggested). Also, some dioxins work much better than others, so not every PCB will do for educt. Look it up in CAS. But why doing it in the first place? To contaminate an area, causing high costs for decontamination? Doesn't compute. Unless you just want to annoy. If you want to kill people, stick to nerve agents. Maximum impact (relatively volatile, excellent LD50), short half life. > The toxicity of dioxins is much overhyped. Any large power > transformer that overheats is the equivalent of your dioxin > bomb, and so far no one has noticed the supposedly devastating > destruction created by such events. That's because it's not a dioxin bomb. But I agree, it's best reserved for practical jokes like smearing dioxine dissolved in DMSO on people's doorknobs.
