Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: I have fulfilled a lifelong goal, I have walked where no man has ever walked before. I can now die happy ;) I'm not sure I agree with Odlyzko's point about connectivity vs content. But your prior statement, Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to?, misses the distinction between the two. There is -no- distinction between the two, they are opposite sides of the -same- coin. To talk of one without the other is simply asinine and ignorant. Typical western deconstructionist thinking, muddled. -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: The point was, the content providers aren't providing the entertainment. The daughters are talking (and talking!) to their friends with no help from the big companies other than providing the connectivity. I believe that was Olyzko's point in the first place, that people are more interested in being connected with other people (regular people, not entertainers) than in simply receiving entertainment or other content from canned sites. right, that's the basic point. I'm not sure I agree with Odlyzko's point about connectivity vs content. But your prior statement, Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to?, misses the distinction between the two. He backed it up with economic facts. There's $70 billion overall in the entertainment industry - movies, records, TV and radio. There's $250 billion in the telecom industry. So telecom can afford more lobiests than entertainment, but they have far more regulatory barriers to deal with too. Telecom doesn't really care about the platform, but if we can get them to care (i.e. if we can show telco/cable guys they make more money without paladium) then we'd have a very powerful counter acting force to hollywood. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: Content is crap, conectivity is king A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to? Content (ala entertainment or problem resolution) are what drive the network. -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)
Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: Nitwit, who are the daughters talking to, dial-tone? Not. They are solving two problems, entertainment and a problem (social connectivity). The point was, the content providers aren't providing the entertainment. The daughters are talking (and talking!) to their friends with no help from the big companies other than providing the connectivity. I believe that was Olyzko's point in the first place, that people are more interested in being connected with other people (regular people, not entertainers) than in simply receiving entertainment or other content from canned sites. I'm not sure I agree with Odlyzko's point about connectivity vs content. But your prior statement, Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to?, misses the distinction between the two. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
