Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[Sally Bendersky]

I love the idea of keeping our list, our website, and our email communication.
Hugs to each of you,
Sally Bendersky
Chile

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 23-11-2021, a la(s) 14:21, Merle Kastner  escribió:

> I totally agree with Bruce, Jerome and Edgar.
> The list is perfect, as is.
> Merle
>  
> From: bounce-126104335-72404...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-126104335-72404...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Reisch
> Sent: November-23-21 11:16 AM
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
>  
> Dear Bukowiners,
>  
> It’s interesting to read the discussion about Facebook possibilities.  
> Personally, I feel that the group in its present format is highly valuable, 
> and since we would inevitably lose members in a move to Facebook, I’d also 
> like to keep our Czernowitz-L email discussion group in its present format.  
> Besides, there are already several Facebook groups for Jewish Bukovina, the 
> Czernowitz Jewish Cemetery, Gura Humora Jewish Community, Romanian Jews, and 
> more.
>  
> Edgar, Jerome and I recently made some changes to help perpetuate our group 
> postings for anyone wishing to search for specific information, or anyone 
> doing historical research.  To us, our archives of postings are a treasure 
> trove of information.  Recent changes have also allowed for non-Plain Text 
> postings, as well as attached files under 1MB in size. David points out that 
> Facebook posts are difficult to search, and I’d agree.  You can find our own 
> mailing archive at the bottom of this email, and older postings can be found 
> on the Czernowitz.ehpes.com website.
>  
> I’m reassured to hear that a number of members enjoy and value this group; 
> I’ve learned so much for all of you. 
>  
> Warmest wishes always,
> Bruce Reisch
> (list owner)
>  
> From: bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu 
>  on behalf of Dana Radler 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:18
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L 
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
> 
> Dear all,
> I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which I 
> learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other instance in 
> which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my current 
> research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those rather 
> trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined to use 
> as their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may appear 
> appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer 
> the informative and friendly format of this email group.
> of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what most 
> members decide,
>  
> kind regards
> Dana 
>  
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  wrote:
> The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am 
> a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the 
> ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my 
> view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.
> 
> * I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
> * Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more 
> difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group, 
> which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
> * What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?  
> I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find 
> that all the content belongs to Facebook.
> * In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might 
> disappear at any time.
> 
> Best wishes to all,
> 
> David
> 
> ***
> This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of 
>  
>  Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed
>  in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not 
> necessarily
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>  or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has 
>  an associated web site at http://czernowitz.ehpes.com that includes a  
>  searchable archive of all messages posted to this list.  Beginning in 2021,
> archived messages can be found at:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/czernowitz-l@list.cornell.edu/
> 
> To send mail to the list, address it to .
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> 

Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[Miriam Suss]

Another vote for the list to remain as is. I’m also not on Facebook and would 
miss out on postings if it moved. I left Facebook several years ago amid 
concerns about privacy and its use of my information and browsing habits. 

Miriam Suss OAM
Melbourne Australia 
Email: ms...@bigpond.net.au


> On 24 Nov 2021, at 3:15 am, Bruce Reisch  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Bukowiners,
>  
> It’s interesting to read the discussion about Facebook possibilities.  
> Personally, I feel that the group in its present format is highly valuable, 
> and since we would inevitably lose members in a move to Facebook, I’d also 
> like to keep our Czernowitz-L email discussion group in its present format.  
> Besides, there are already several Facebook groups for Jewish Bukovina, the 
> Czernowitz Jewish Cemetery, Gura Humora Jewish Community, Romanian Jews, and 
> more.
>  
> Edgar, Jerome and I recently made some changes to help perpetuate our group 
> postings for anyone wishing to search for specific information, or anyone 
> doing historical research.  To us, our archives of postings are a treasure 
> trove of information.  Recent changes have also allowed for non-Plain Text 
> postings, as well as attached files under 1MB in size. David points out that 
> Facebook posts are difficult to search, and I’d agree.  You can find our own 
> mailing archive at the bottom of this email, and older postings can be found 
> on the Czernowitz.ehpes.com website.
>  
> I’m reassured to hear that a number of members enjoy and value this group; 
> I’ve learned so much for all of you. 
>  
> Warmest wishes always,
> Bruce Reisch
> (list owner)
>  
> From: bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu 
>  on behalf of Dana Radler 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:18
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L 
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
> 
> Dear all,
> I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which I 
> learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other instance in 
> which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my current 
> research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those rather 
> trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined to use 
> as their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may appear 
> appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer 
> the informative and friendly format of this email group.
> of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what most 
> members decide,
>  
> kind regards
> Dana 
>  
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  wrote:
> The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am 
> a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the 
> ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my 
> view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.
> 
> * I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
> * Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more 
> difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group, 
> which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
> * What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?  
> I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find 
> that all the content belongs to Facebook.
> * In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might 
> disappear at any time.
> 
> Best wishes to all,
> 
> David
> 
> ***
> This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of 
>  
>  Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed
>  in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not 
> necessarily
>  the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members
>  or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has 
>  an associated web site at http://czernowitz.ehpes.com that includes a  
>  searchable archive of all messages posted to this list.  Beginning in 2021,
> archived messages can be found at:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/czernowitz-l@list.cornell.edu/
> 
> To send mail to the list, address it to .
> 
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> necessarily
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>  or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has 
>  an 

RE: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Citizenship

[Karin Perrin]

Hi David
Thank you - very kind.

For the moment, in my quest for citizenship of an EU country, I am trying the 
Romanians - might just be easier for me. 

But I may well be back in contact in due course.

Kind regards
Karin

-Original Message-
From: David Dukes  
Sent: 23 November 2021 18:37
To: Karin Perrin 
Cc: Fred Weisinger ; CZERNOWITZ-L 

Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Citizenship

Karin
If anyone in the group has had issues getting Austrian citizenship, I would be 
happy to share my experience with them. I applied to the Austrian Embassy in 
Canberra. And now, some months later, I am sitting (in a, not very lockdown, 
lockdown) in Bregenz.  
Feel free to email me directly.
Regards,
David Dukes

> On 23 Nov 2021, at 19:10, Karin Perrin  wrote:
> 
> Hi David
> I am glad this worked for you with great ease!
> Karin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-126100742-87608...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of David Dukes
> Sent: 21 November 2021 05:49
> To: Fred Weisinger 
> Cc: CZERNOWITZ-L 
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Citizenship
> 
> I also found that under the new laws obtaining Austrian citizenship was 
> straightforward. My father was born in Vienna, left after the Anschluss, and 
> fortunately kept all his papers. I also gave the Embassy some of his school 
> photos and even a photo of my grandfather in WW 1 military  service which 
> they actually forwarded with the application. 
> 
> Regards
> David Dukes
> PS: I wonder whether it would be feasible or convenient to move this group to 
> Facebook instead of email? 
> 
>> On 21 Nov 2021, at 3:52 am, Fred Weisinger  wrote:
>> 
>> I read with great interest about the trials & tribulation to get the 
>> Austrian citizenship.
>> I got my Citizenship within 4 month no problem as I was a child when 
>> the deportations took place. It cost me very little I never had a 
>> solicitor. They take time & money am to old for that, but 
>> communicated directly to the Consulate ,the Embassy & Vienna office. 
>> Good luck to all Fred. Weisinger
>> 
>> *
>> *
>> * This moderated discussion group is for information exchange 
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> that includes a  searchable archive of all messages posted to this list.  
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Citizenship

[David Dukes]

Karin
If anyone in the group has had issues getting Austrian citizenship, I would be 
happy to share my experience with them. I applied to the Austrian Embassy in 
Canberra. And now, some months later, I am sitting (in a, not very lockdown, 
lockdown) in Bregenz.  
Feel free to email me directly.
Regards,
David Dukes

> On 23 Nov 2021, at 19:10, Karin Perrin  wrote:
> 
> Hi David
> I am glad this worked for you with great ease!
> Karin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-126100742-87608...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of David Dukes
> Sent: 21 November 2021 05:49
> To: Fred Weisinger 
> Cc: CZERNOWITZ-L 
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Citizenship
> 
> I also found that under the new laws obtaining Austrian citizenship was 
> straightforward. My father was born in Vienna, left after the Anschluss, and 
> fortunately kept all his papers. I also gave the Embassy some of his school 
> photos and even a photo of my grandfather in WW 1 military  service which 
> they actually forwarded with the application. 
> 
> Regards
> David Dukes
> PS: I wonder whether it would be feasible or convenient to move this group to 
> Facebook instead of email? 
> 
>> On 21 Nov 2021, at 3:52 am, Fred Weisinger  wrote:
>> 
>> I read with great interest about the trials & tribulation to get the 
>> Austrian citizenship.
>> I got my Citizenship within 4 month no problem as I was a child when 
>> the deportations took place. It cost me very little I never had a 
>> solicitor. They take time & money am to old for that, but communicated 
>> directly to the Consulate ,the Embassy & Vienna office. Good luck to 
>> all Fred. Weisinger
>> 
>> **
>> * This moderated discussion group is for information exchange 
>> on the subject of Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and 
>> Genealogy. The opinions expressed in these posts are the opinions of 
>> the original poster only and not necessarily the opinions of the List 
>> Owner, the Webmaster or any other members or entities connected with 
>> this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has an associated web site at 
>> http://czernowitz.ehpes.com that includes a searchable archive of all 
>> messages posted to this list.  Beginning in 2021, archived messages 
>> can be found at:
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>> 
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> searchable archive of all messages posted to this list.  Beginning in 2021, 
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[grimho...@gmail.com]

Facebook content is not searchable.
Anything we post to Facebook is locked down on Facebook, never accessible 
through a google search or any other kind of search now or in the future.



> On Nov 23, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Merle Kastner  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree with Bruce, Jerome and Edgar.
> The list is perfect, as is.
> Merle
>  
> From: bounce-126104335-72404...@list.cornell.edu 
>  
> [mailto:bounce-126104335-72404...@list.cornell.edu 
> ] On Behalf Of Bruce Reisch
> Sent: November-23-21 11:16 AM
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
>  
> Dear Bukowiners,
>  
> It’s interesting to read the discussion about Facebook possibilities.  
> Personally, I feel that the group in its present format is highly valuable, 
> and since we would inevitably lose members in a move to Facebook, I’d also 
> like to keep our Czernowitz-L email discussion group in its present format.  
> Besides, there are already several Facebook groups for Jewish Bukovina, the 
> Czernowitz Jewish Cemetery, Gura Humora Jewish Community, Romanian Jews, and 
> more. 
>  
> Edgar, Jerome and I recently made some changes to help perpetuate our group 
> postings for anyone wishing to search for specific information, or anyone 
> doing historical research.  To us, our archives of postings are a treasure 
> trove of information.  Recent changes have also allowed for non-Plain Text 
> postings, as well as attached files under 1MB in size. David points out that 
> Facebook posts are difficult to search, and I’d agree.  You can find our own 
> mailing archive at the bottom of this email, and older postings can be found 
> on the Czernowitz.ehpes.com  website.
>  
> I’m reassured to hear that a number of members enjoy and value this group; 
> I’ve learned so much for all of you.  
>  
> Warmest wishes always,
> Bruce Reisch 
> (list owner)
>  
> From: bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu 
>  
>  > on behalf of Dana Radler 
> mailto:danaradle...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:18
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L  >
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
> 
> Dear all,
> I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which I 
> learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other instance in 
> which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my current 
> research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those rather 
> trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined to use 
> as their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may appear 
> appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer 
> the informative and friendly format of this email group.
> of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what most 
> members decide,
>  
> kind regards
> Dana 
>  
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  > wrote:
>> The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am 
>> a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the 
>> ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my 
>> view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.
>> 
>> * I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
>> * Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more 
>> difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group, 
>> which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
>> * What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?  
>> I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find 
>> that all the content belongs to Facebook.
>> * In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might 
>> disappear at any time.
>> 
>> Best wishes to all,
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> ***
>> This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject 
>> of  
>>  Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed
>>  in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not 
>> necessarily
>>  the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members
>>  or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has 
>>  an associated web site at http://czernowitz.ehpes.com 
>>  that includes a  
>>  searchable archive of all messages posted to this list.  Beginning in 2021,
>> archived messages can be found at:
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/czernowitz-l@list.cornell.edu/ 
>> 
>> 
>> To send mail to the list, address it to > 

Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[David Dukes]

Happy to withdraw my FB suggestion!
Regards,
David Dukes

> On 23 Nov 2021, at 17:22, Alan Gavurin  wrote:
> 
> FWIW I am not on FB so would miss out if it moves there
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alan
> 
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 16:16, Bruce Reisch  > wrote:
> Dear Bukowiners,
> 
>  
> 
> It’s interesting to read the discussion about Facebook possibilities.  
> Personally, I feel that the group in its present format is highly valuable, 
> and since we would inevitably lose members in a move to Facebook, I’d also 
> like to keep our Czernowitz-L email discussion group in its present format.  
> Besides, there are already several Facebook groups for Jewish Bukovina, the 
> Czernowitz Jewish Cemetery, Gura Humora Jewish Community, Romanian Jews, and 
> more.
> 
>  
> 
> Edgar, Jerome and I recently made some changes to help perpetuate our group 
> postings for anyone wishing to search for specific information, or anyone 
> doing historical research.  To us, our archives of postings are a treasure 
> trove of information.  Recent changes have also allowed for non-Plain Text 
> postings, as well as attached files under 1MB in size. David points out that 
> Facebook posts are difficult to search, and I’d agree.  You can find our own 
> mailing archive at the bottom of this email, and older postings can be found 
> on the Czernowitz.ehpes.com  website.
> 
>  
> 
> I’m reassured to hear that a number of members enjoy and value this group; 
> I’ve learned so much for all of you. 
> 
>  
> 
> Warmest wishes always,
> 
> Bruce Reisch
> 
> (list owner)
> 
>  
> 
> From: bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu 
>  
>  > on behalf of Dana Radler 
> mailto:danaradle...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:18
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L  >
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which I 
> learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other instance in 
> which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my current 
> research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those rather 
> trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined to use 
> as their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may appear 
> appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer 
> the informative and friendly format of this email group.
> 
> of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what most 
> members decide,
> 
>  
> 
> kind regards
> 
> Dana 
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  > wrote:
> 
> The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am 
> a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the 
> ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my 
> view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.
> 
> * I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
> * Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more 
> difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group, 
> which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
> * What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?  
> I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find 
> that all the content belongs to Facebook.
> * In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might 
> disappear at any time.
> 
> Best wishes to all,
> 
> David
> 
> ***
> This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of 
>  
>  Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed
>  in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not 
> necessarily
>  the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members
>  or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has 
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RE: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Citizenship

[Karin Perrin]

Hi David
I am glad this worked for you with great ease!
Karin

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 On Behalf Of David Dukes
Sent: 21 November 2021 05:49
To: Fred Weisinger 
Cc: CZERNOWITZ-L 
Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Citizenship

I also found that under the new laws obtaining Austrian citizenship was 
straightforward. My father was born in Vienna, left after the Anschluss, and 
fortunately kept all his papers. I also gave the Embassy some of his school 
photos and even a photo of my grandfather in WW 1 military  service which they 
actually forwarded with the application. 

Regards
David Dukes
 PS: I wonder whether it would be feasible or convenient to move this group to 
Facebook instead of email? 

> On 21 Nov 2021, at 3:52 am, Fred Weisinger  wrote:
> 
> I read with great interest about the trials & tribulation to get the 
> Austrian citizenship.
> I got my Citizenship within 4 month no problem as I was a child when 
> the deportations took place. It cost me very little I never had a 
> solicitor. They take time & money am to old for that, but communicated 
> directly to the Consulate ,the Embassy & Vienna office. Good luck to 
> all Fred. Weisinger
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RE: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[Merle Kastner]

I totally agree with Bruce, Jerome and Edgar.

The list is perfect, as is.

Merle

 

From: bounce-126104335-72404...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-126104335-72404...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Reisch
Sent: November-23-21 11:16 AM
To: CZERNOWITZ-L
Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

 

Dear Bukowiners,

 

It's interesting to read the discussion about Facebook possibilities.
Personally, I feel that the group in its present format is highly valuable,
and since we would inevitably lose members in a move to Facebook, I'd also
like to keep our Czernowitz-L email discussion group in its present format.
Besides, there are already several Facebook groups for Jewish Bukovina, the
Czernowitz Jewish Cemetery, Gura Humora Jewish Community, Romanian Jews, and
more. 

 

Edgar, Jerome and I recently made some changes to help perpetuate our group
postings for anyone wishing to search for specific information, or anyone
doing historical research.  To us, our archives of postings are a treasure
trove of information.  Recent changes have also allowed for non-Plain Text
postings, as well as attached files under 1MB in size. David points out that
Facebook posts are difficult to search, and I'd agree.  You can find our own
mailing archive at the bottom of this email, and older postings can be found
on the Czernowitz.ehpes.com website.

 

I'm reassured to hear that a number of members enjoy and value this group;
I've learned so much for all of you.  

 

Warmest wishes always,

Bruce Reisch 

(list owner)

 

From: bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu
 on behalf of Dana Radler

Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:18
To: CZERNOWITZ-L 
Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

Dear all,

I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which I
learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other instance
in which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my current
research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those rather
trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined to use
as their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may appear
appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer
the informative and friendly format of this email group.

of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what
most members decide,

 

kind regards

Dana 

 

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  wrote:

The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am 
a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the 
ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my 
view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.

* I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
* Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more 
difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group, 
which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
* What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?  
I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find 
that all the content belongs to Facebook.
* In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might 
disappear at any time.

Best wishes to all,

David


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Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[Alan Gavurin]

FWIW I am not on FB so would miss out if it moves there

Thanks

Alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 16:16, Bruce Reisch  wrote:

> Dear Bukowiners,
>
>
>
> It’s interesting to read the discussion about Facebook possibilities.
> Personally, I feel that the group in its present format is highly valuable,
> and since we would inevitably lose members in a move to Facebook, I’d also
> like to keep our Czernowitz-L email discussion group in its present
> format.  Besides, there are already several Facebook groups for Jewish
> Bukovina, the Czernowitz Jewish Cemetery, Gura Humora Jewish Community,
> Romanian Jews, and more.
>
>
>
> Edgar, Jerome and I recently made some changes to help perpetuate our
> group postings for anyone wishing to search for specific information, or
> anyone doing historical research.  To us, our archives of postings are a
> treasure trove of information.  Recent changes have also allowed for
> non-Plain Text postings, as well as attached files under 1MB in size. David
> points out that Facebook posts are difficult to search, and I’d agree.  You
> can find our own mailing archive at the bottom of this email, and older
> postings can be found on the Czernowitz.ehpes.com website.
>
>
>
> I’m reassured to hear that a number of members enjoy and value this group;
> I’ve learned so much for all of you.
>
>
>
> Warmest wishes always,
>
> Bruce Reisch
>
> (list owner)
>
>
>
> *From: *bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Dana Radler <
> danaradle...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:18
> *To: *CZERNOWITZ-L 
> *Subject: *Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
>
> Dear all,
>
> I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which
> I learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other
> instance in which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my
> current research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those
> rather trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined
> to use as their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may
> appear appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally
> prefer the informative and friendly format of this email group.
>
> of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what
> most members decide,
>
>
>
> kind regards
>
> Dana
>
>
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  wrote:
>
> The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am
> a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the
> ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my
> view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.
>
> * I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
> * Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more
> difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group,
> which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
> * What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?
> I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find
> that all the content belongs to Facebook.
> * In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might
> disappear at any time.
>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> David
>
>
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[Bruce Reisch]

Dear Bukowiners,

It’s interesting to read the discussion about Facebook possibilities.  
Personally, I feel that the group in its present format is highly valuable, and 
since we would inevitably lose members in a move to Facebook, I’d also like to 
keep our Czernowitz-L email discussion group in its present format.  Besides, 
there are already several Facebook groups for Jewish Bukovina, the Czernowitz 
Jewish Cemetery, Gura Humora Jewish Community, Romanian Jews, and more.

Edgar, Jerome and I recently made some changes to help perpetuate our group 
postings for anyone wishing to search for specific information, or anyone doing 
historical research.  To us, our archives of postings are a treasure trove of 
information.  Recent changes have also allowed for non-Plain Text postings, as 
well as attached files under 1MB in size. David points out that Facebook posts 
are difficult to search, and I’d agree.  You can find our own mailing archive 
at the bottom of this email, and older postings can be found on the 
Czernowitz.ehpes.com website.

I’m reassured to hear that a number of members enjoy and value this group; I’ve 
learned so much for all of you.

Warmest wishes always,
Bruce Reisch
(list owner)

From: bounce-126104035-3497...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Dana Radler 

Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:18
To: CZERNOWITZ-L 
Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook
Dear all,
I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which I 
learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other instance in 
which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my current 
research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those rather 
trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined to use as 
their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may appear 
appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer the 
informative and friendly format of this email group.
of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what most 
members decide,

kind regards
Dana

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn 
mailto:gl...@spontini.co.uk>> wrote:
The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am
a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the
ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my
view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.

* I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
* Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more
difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group,
which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
* What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?
I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find
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* In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might
disappear at any time.

Best wishes to all,

David

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Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[patrick Teller]

Dear czernovitzer

I prefer an e mail group than Facebook, the first seems to allow more 
privacy and, on the other side, I strongly oppose the use of our 
personnal data by Facebook.

I enjoy reading the exchanges through the email group even if I do not 
take part; ought to the group I met an unkown cusin.

But I would leave in case Facebook takes over.

Regards

Patrick Teller


Le 23/11/2021 à 13:58, Dana Radler a écrit :
> Dear all,
> I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from 
> which I learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one 
> other instance in which I found out that Facebook can be helpful 
> (connected to my current research topics), but I tend to dislike 
> public postings and those rather trivial or simplistic pictures or 
> emoticons most users feel inclined to use as their means of 
> expression. While some postings and reactions may appear appealing 
> they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer the 
> informative and friendly format of this email group.
> of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept 
> what most members decide,
>
> kind regards
> Dana
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  > wrote:
>
> The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been
> mooted.  I am
> a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and
> the
> ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive. But, in my
> view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for
> this group.
>
> * I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
> * Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more
> difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this
> group,
> which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
> * What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual
> property?
> I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find
> that all the content belongs to Facebook.
> * In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might
> disappear at any time.
>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> David
>
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Re: [czernowitz-l] Facebook

[Dana Radler]

Dear all,
I'd also like to add my view on this. I prefer the email group from which I
learned immensely in the last couple of years. There is one other instance
in which I found out that Facebook can be helpful (connected to my current
research topics), but I tend to dislike public postings and those rather
trivial or simplistic pictures or emoticons most users feel inclined to use
as their means of expression. While some postings and reactions may appear
appealing they are also highly annoying and repetitive. I personally prefer
the informative and friendly format of this email group.
of course, a majority may decide upon it and I am willing to accept what
most members decide,

kind regards
Dana

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:52, David Glynn  wrote:

> The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am
> a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the
> ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my
> view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.
>
> * I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
> * Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more
> difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group,
> which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
> * What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?
> I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find
> that all the content belongs to Facebook.
> * In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might
> disappear at any time.
>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> David
>
>
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[czernowitz-l] Facebook

[David Glynn]

The idea of switching this email list to Facebook has been mooted.  I am 
a member of several Facebook groups.  I find the presentation, and the 
ease of inclusion of photographs, seductively attractive.  But, in my 
view, Facebook has disadvantages which render it unsuitable for this group.


* I find the order of posts extremely confusing.
* Once posts have receded into the past, it becomes more and more 
difficult to find them.  This negates part of the purpose of this group, 
which is to serve as an archive regarding Czernowitz.
* What is the situation regarding copyright and intellectual property?  
I have not read the small print, but I would not be surprised to find 
that all the content belongs to Facebook.
* In which case, it is not impossible that the whole archive might 
disappear at any time.


Best wishes to all,

David

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