Re: [darktable-user] lensfun priority troubles with Ubuntu 18.04

2018-05-22 Thread Аl Воgnеr
Am Tue, 22 May 2018 10:03:35 -0400
schrieb Šarūnas :

> On 2018-05-21 15:50, Аl Воgnеr wrote:
> > Am Mon, 21 May 2018 14:41:41 -0400
> > schrieb Šarūnas :  
> >> There is no correction data for Sigma 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG OS on a
> >> "full-frame" sensor in lensfun (not in github calibration
> >> repository).  
> > 
> > Yes, and therefore I added a line:
> > 
> > 
> > Sigma
> > Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 DG Macro  
> 
> If I understand this correctly, the matching will still be done for
> the above line. The only thing that the lang line does is change the
> display name of the matched lens for given locale...
> 
> > Sigma 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG OS  

Sorry, if I write "maybe". If I do this the correction works, otherwise
not.

> The only way to have a lens alias for an optically identical one is to
> duplicate the entire  element and then change the  in it.

Not sure, I discussed this already in the lensfun-list. It should, but
my experience is, that the "trick" with  helped very
often, but not always.

> If you'd like to have that, you should probably raise an issue on
> github/lensfun, which is used for the correction database maintenance.

This thread was originally started as crossposting to the lensfun-list
and the lensfun people have subscribed the list. If I am pretty sure,
that it is correct, what I am writing and if I detect a bug, I will
send them a mail of course.

In the meantime I have some lenses corrected, which did not work
before. I do not use "update" anymore and then it works in
~/.local/share/lensfun if I do not use a version. I decided to create an
own file there for every lens which doesn't work. I am still fighting
with the Pentax DFA 24-70. It doesn't help to use the correction file
from 16.04 (which worked). My next step will be a local exiv2-info-file.

Al


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Re: [darktable-user] lensfun priority troubles with Ubuntu 18.04

2018-05-22 Thread Šarūnas
On 2018-05-21 15:50, Аl Воgnеr wrote:
> Am Mon, 21 May 2018 14:41:41 -0400
> schrieb Šarūnas :
>> There is no correction data for Sigma 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG OS on a
>> "full-frame" sensor in lensfun (not in github calibration repository).
> 
> Yes, and therefore I added a line:
> 
> 
> Sigma
> Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 DG Macro

If I understand this correctly, the matching will still be done for the
above line. The only thing that the lang line does is change the display
name of the matched lens for given locale...

>   Sigma 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG OS

The only way to have a lens alias for an optically identical one is to
duplicate the entire  element and then change the  in it.

If you'd like to have that, you should probably raise an issue on
github/lensfun, which is used for the correction database maintenance.

-- 
Šarūnas Burdulis
math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas



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Re: [darktable-user] local contrast → bug or feature?

2018-05-22 Thread Romano Giannetti

On 22/05/18 11:34, Remco Viëtor wrote:

On mardi 22 mai 2018 10:34:09 CEST Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:

Am Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018, 07:31:35 CEST schrieb Timur Irikovich Davletshin:



yes, that seems to be the case. I guess the 120% are a better default, even
if it makes the module not a NOP by default. Comments?



Unless you want to stick to a policy of "default = NOP", I don't see a problem
with defaults different from NOP where it makes sense.

I rather like having defaults that show the effect of the module for things
like "local contrast", "shadows/highlights", "Velvia", etc. Those are modules
where the effects go from "none" to "too strong".

Of course, for "exposure" and such, neutral (NOP) values are the sensible
default as any other choice will probably be the wrong way half the time...



I agree with Remco. Moreover, if all modules had the default = NOP, the 
ON/OFF status would be redundant (modulo optimization thing). When 
available, an "auto" mode could be a nice default.


Romano


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Re: [darktable-user] local contrast → bug or feature?

2018-05-22 Thread Remco Viëtor
On mardi 22 mai 2018 10:34:09 CEST Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018, 07:31:35 CEST schrieb Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> > Hello everybody!
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > Reseting local contrast module parameters results in 120% detail and
> > local Laplacian filter but double-clicking detail parameter to reset it
> > gives 100% (both for loc. Laplacian and bilateral). Other modules (as
> > far as I remember) in both cases give same value.
> 
> yes, that seems to be the case. I guess the 120% are a better default, even
> if it makes the module not a NOP by default. Comments?
> 

Unless you want to stick to a policy of "default = NOP", I don't see a problem 
with defaults different from NOP where it makes sense. 

I rather like having defaults that show the effect of the module for things 
like "local contrast", "shadows/highlights", "Velvia", etc. Those are modules 
where the effects go from "none" to "too strong". 

Of course, for "exposure" and such, neutral (NOP) values are the sensible 
default as any other choice will probably be the wrong way half the time...

Remco

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Re: [darktable-user] local contrast → bug or feature?

2018-05-22 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 10:34 +0200, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018, 07:31:35 CEST schrieb Timur Irikovich
> Davletshin:
> > Hello everybody!
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > Reseting local contrast module parameters results in 120% detail
> > and
> > local Laplacian filter but double-clicking detail parameter to
> > reset it
> > gives 100% (both for loc. Laplacian and bilateral). Other modules
> > (as
> > far as I remember) in both cases give same value.
> 
> yes, that seems to be the case. I guess the 120% are a better
> default, even if 
> it makes the module not a NOP by default. Comments?
> 
> > Timur.
> 
> Tobias

Personally I prefer to use less subtle settings like 80-100%, but
effect is not so easy to notice and it may confuse some users. So
probably I agree that 120% is a better starting position.

Timur.

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Re: [darktable-user] local contrast → bug or feature?

2018-05-22 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018, 07:31:35 CEST schrieb Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> Hello everybody!

Hi,

> Reseting local contrast module parameters results in 120% detail and
> local Laplacian filter but double-clicking detail parameter to reset it
> gives 100% (both for loc. Laplacian and bilateral). Other modules (as
> far as I remember) in both cases give same value.

yes, that seems to be the case. I guess the 120% are a better default, even if 
it makes the module not a NOP by default. Comments?

> Timur.

Tobias

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