Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable
* Top Rock Photography [01-29-21 21:14]: > My only demand is that the lawyer gets on the phone and speak to the AOM > people. It has been almost one year! IANAL…. > > …But I have read the AOM license,, and I have studied the case of Nokia vs > the other members of AOM, and HEIF. In that case, all the other lawyers > claim that a) Nokia never held a patent on the parts of HEIF used in > AV1/AVIF, and, whatever patent they claim to have would have already > expired. > > That leaves all remaining patents within the powers of AOM and their > licensing. > > The issue was not coding, but waiting to hear from the lawyer…. for almost > a year. Robin Mills was willing to work on the code at one point, but > several people kept claiming that, despite the publicly available license, > and the work done by clothes, (including Exiftool), that Mills cannot put > any code which reads the metadata (forget about even writing it), into > exiv2. It ended with him running out of time, because no lawyer got back to > give the go-ahead, (or to affirm that it could not be done). Ergo, it will > not be done for exiv2 version 0.28. > > Well, that is what the closed, feature request thread says. (It does not > say, “about a year,” but it has been over a year since the thread/response > was started, and mills giving his stance on 0.28 was almost a year ago). > > Sincerely, > > Karim Hosein > Top Rock Photography > 754.999.1652 > > > > On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 17:19, Martin Straeten > wrote: > > > Why don’t you take over the responsibility for the project? And be fully > > accountable for a possible copyright or patent infringement? > > It is presumptuous to demand something from others that you are not > > willing to contribute yourself. > > > > Am 29.01.2021 um 20:11 schrieb Top Rock Photography < > > ka...@toprockphotography.com>: > > > > > > My only concern is that, although AVIF is not patent encumbered, he > > refused to add the reading/writing of metadata data to AVIF, until he > > speaks to a lawyer. That has been quite a long time ago and so, my AVIF > > files made by darktable seem to have no metadata. > > > > Currently, Exiftool is no better (in that regard). Worse yet, aside from > > the most popular browsers, (Firefox, Chrome/Chromium), I cannot find a > > viewer for AVIF files. > > > > Does one really need a lawyer to work for over one year to decide that the > > reading/writing of metadata in an AVIF does NOT violate any patents not > > covered by the open license? Is his lawyer billing him at US$20,000 per day? > > > > I am confident that the exiv2 project will be taken over. I just hope that > > whoever takes it over has a lawyer who knows how to make phone calls and/or > > write letters. > > > > I have other issues on AVIF support, but this is not the thread for that. > > > > > >> > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > = > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org but leaves you free to fork the project and include support for avif and no longer wait for the laywers. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable
My only demand is that the lawyer gets on the phone and speak to the AOM people. It has been almost one year! IANAL…. …But I have read the AOM license,, and I have studied the case of Nokia vs the other members of AOM, and HEIF. In that case, all the other lawyers claim that a) Nokia never held a patent on the parts of HEIF used in AV1/AVIF, and, whatever patent they claim to have would have already expired. That leaves all remaining patents within the powers of AOM and their licensing. The issue was not coding, but waiting to hear from the lawyer…. for almost a year. Robin Mills was willing to work on the code at one point, but several people kept claiming that, despite the publicly available license, and the work done by clothes, (including Exiftool), that Mills cannot put any code which reads the metadata (forget about even writing it), into exiv2. It ended with him running out of time, because no lawyer got back to give the go-ahead, (or to affirm that it could not be done). Ergo, it will not be done for exiv2 version 0.28. Well, that is what the closed, feature request thread says. (It does not say, “about a year,” but it has been over a year since the thread/response was started, and mills giving his stance on 0.28 was almost a year ago). Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 17:19, Martin Straeten wrote: > Why don’t you take over the responsibility for the project? And be fully > accountable for a possible copyright or patent infringement? > It is presumptuous to demand something from others that you are not > willing to contribute yourself. > > Am 29.01.2021 um 20:11 schrieb Top Rock Photography < > ka...@toprockphotography.com>: > > > My only concern is that, although AVIF is not patent encumbered, he > refused to add the reading/writing of metadata data to AVIF, until he > speaks to a lawyer. That has been quite a long time ago and so, my AVIF > files made by darktable seem to have no metadata. > > Currently, Exiftool is no better (in that regard). Worse yet, aside from > the most popular browsers, (Firefox, Chrome/Chromium), I cannot find a > viewer for AVIF files. > > Does one really need a lawyer to work for over one year to decide that the > reading/writing of metadata in an AVIF does NOT violate any patents not > covered by the open license? Is his lawyer billing him at US$20,000 per day? > > I am confident that the exiv2 project will be taken over. I just hope that > whoever takes it over has a lawyer who knows how to make phone calls and/or > write letters. > > I have other issues on AVIF support, but this is not the thread for that. > > >> > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > = > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable
Why don’t you take over the responsibility for the project? And be fully accountable for a possible copyright or patent infringement? It is presumptuous to demand something from others that you are not willing to contribute yourself. > Am 29.01.2021 um 20:11 schrieb Top Rock Photography > : > > > My only concern is that, although AVIF is not patent encumbered, he refused > to add the reading/writing of metadata data to AVIF, until he speaks to a > lawyer. That has been quite a long time ago and so, my AVIF files made by > darktable seem to have no metadata. > > Currently, Exiftool is no better (in that regard). Worse yet, aside from the > most popular browsers, (Firefox, Chrome/Chromium), I cannot find a viewer for > AVIF files. > > Does one really need a lawyer to work for over one year to decide that the > reading/writing of metadata in an AVIF does NOT violate any patents not > covered by the open license? Is his lawyer billing him at US$20,000 per day? > > I am confident that the exiv2 project will be taken over. I just hope that > whoever takes it over has a lawyer who knows how to make phone calls and/or > write letters. > > I have other issues on AVIF support, but this is not the thread for that. > > Sincerely, > > Karim Hosein > Top Rock Photography > 754.999.1652 > > > >> >> >> a: How will this affect DT? >> b: Supplementary question: Would exiftool be an alternative for DT? >> > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > = darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Usage and modifying description/title metadata fields
Several tools in ubuntu —GNU/Linux in general— use those fields, but they may not show by default. Also, as Patrick said, (piwigo ….and most other) web albums can and do use those fields. Again, maybe not showing them by default. When doing a workshop, using the style option in the export module to put relevant data on the image (by way of the watermark module, and possibly the frame module), is quite useful. I do find however that, for most clients, they do not care much about metadata as I do. One thing I do notice is that tools which use Exiftool may not treat certain metadata the same as some tools which use Exiv2. That is to say, all tools can show the relevant data when asked to show all data, but when asked to show a brief summary, may consider “Description” to be important, while “Comment” is not, and the other vice versa. Ergo, I fill in as much metadata as possible. When it comes to photojournalism and stock photography, I strongly suggest that one fills in as much IPTC data as possible, (in addition to the usual EXIF/XMP data). Many stock photography sites and news organisations look there first. Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 10:41, Niranjan Rao wrote: > I exported a image with description and title. None of the tools on > Ubuntu showed it me though exiftool showed it to me. I was thinking > there is some other use for these fields. > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable
My only concern is that, although AVIF is not patent encumbered, he refused to add the reading/writing of metadata data to AVIF, until he speaks to a lawyer. That has been quite a long time ago and so, my AVIF files made by darktable seem to have no metadata. Currently, Exiftool is no better (in that regard). Worse yet, aside from the most popular browsers, (Firefox, Chrome/Chromium), I cannot find a viewer for AVIF files. Does one really need a lawyer to work for over one year to decide that the reading/writing of metadata in an AVIF does NOT violate any patents not covered by the open license? Is his lawyer billing him at US$20,000 per day? I am confident that the exiv2 project will be taken over. I just hope that whoever takes it over has a lawyer who knows how to make phone calls and/or write letters. I have other issues on AVIF support, but this is not the thread for that. Sincerely, Karim Hosein Top Rock Photography 754.999.1652 > > a: How will this affect DT? > b: Supplementary question: Would exiftool be an alternative for DT? > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
