Re: [darktable-user] Module color space defaults

2021-11-08 Thread Niranjan Rao 

On 11/8/21 4:04 PM, Matt Maguire wrote:
I guess you are talking about the blending mode. If you previously 
opened this image in darktable, with the preferences set to "display 
referred" mode, then this will be recorded in the image history.


If you are not using blending, then this setting won't matter at all 
-- if you later decide to use blending for that module, just manually 
select the scene-referred blending mode. Or, if you select step 0 in 
the history stack and choose "discard history" it will throw away all 
the previous edits for that image, and the blending mode should then 
align to the mode you have currently selected in the preferences.



On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 08:35, Niranjan Rao > wrote:


Greetings,

On darktable 3.6.1.


I am using scene deferred workflow, when opening a new image, color
calibration, filmic etc modules are used when I open a new raw
image as
per workflow documentation.


For many modules (e.g. exposure module) , I notice that module color
space defaults are set to RGB display and not RGB (scene). My
understanding is if I change exposure without changing the color
space,
it will be done in RGB display color space.


Does this mixing of color spaces affect pipeline? Is there any
particular reason why module default color spaes are not getting
changed
even if preferences say use scene deferred workflow?


Regards,

Niranjan



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It's not aligning. All these images are new and never imported as stated 
in original message.




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Re: [darktable-user] Module color space defaults

2021-11-08 Thread Matt Maguire 
I guess you are talking about the blending mode. If you previously opened
this image in darktable, with the preferences set to "display referred"
mode, then this will be recorded in the image history.

If you are not using blending, then this setting won't matter at all -- if
you later decide to use blending for that module, just manually select the
scene-referred blending mode. Or, if you select step 0 in the history stack
and choose "discard history" it will throw away all the previous edits for
that image, and the blending mode should then align to the mode you have
currently selected in the preferences.


On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 08:35, Niranjan Rao  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> On darktable 3.6.1.
>
>
> I am using scene deferred workflow, when opening a new image, color
> calibration, filmic etc modules are used when I open a new raw image as
> per workflow documentation.
>
>
> For many modules (e.g. exposure module) , I notice that module color
> space defaults are set to RGB display and not RGB (scene). My
> understanding is if I change exposure without changing the color space,
> it will be done in RGB display color space.
>
>
> Does this mixing of color spaces affect pipeline? Is there any
> particular reason why module default color spaes are not getting changed
> even if preferences say use scene deferred workflow?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Niranjan
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread Guillermo Rozas 
Sorry, the original poster answered directly one of my mails and I forgot
to reply to the list.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021, 11:51 Guillermo Rozas  wrote:

>
>>
>>1. what is exiftool?
>>
>> Exiftool is a command-line utility to read and edit the metadata of
> images, including RAW files. More info here: https://exiftool.org/
>
>
>>1. how do work with these raw files AND in B instead of the
>>extracted jpg? In other words: how can I replicate the intended B
>>settings that jpg would make but in raw file quality for further editing?
>>
>> If you want exactly the same output, you need to use the Fuji-provided
> software. There is no information in the RAW file about how the B image
> was produced, it's the result of the proprietary methods of the camera
> manufacturer.
>
> But that doesn't mean you can't get a similar or better B image by
> yourself, it's the whole idea of darktable. Check in particular this part
> of the manual:
> https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/3.6/guides-tutorials/monochrome/
>
> Regards,
> Guillermo
>
>
>
>


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Re: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread Terry Pinfold 
Hi Kieke,
   I recommend to my photography students not to take monochrome images as 
jpgs, but rather in colour and do the BW conversion later as you can get better 
results. The RAW file retains the colour and gives you the freedom to do what 
you want. If you like the B/W produced by the camera I suggest shoot in raw 
plus Jpeg. Use the JPG as the image but retain the RAW in case you want to 
bring back the colour or do a custom conversion.

If you want, I can send some instructions for converting colour to B/W using 
GIMP. Also, there are some good ways in DT but I have not put much effort into 
that yet.

good luck



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Subject: RE: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, 
but not in darkroom

tnx

Hartelijke groet,
Hieke van Hoogdalem



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Verzonden: maandag 8 november 2021 15:51
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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in 
lighttable, but not in darkroom



Guillermo Rozas schrieb am 08.11.21 um 14:53:
> If you want to recover that JPG rendition from your camera (and you're
> not saving RAW+JPG), exiftool can extract the embedded JPG from the RAW file.
exactly.
Only drawback might be that Fuji does not embed full resolution.
e. g.
X-T30 RAF 14bit
compressed RAW: 6384 x 4182


JPG-from-RAW: 4416 x 2944

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Re: [darktable-user] RE: My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread Bernhard 




Willy Williams schrieb am 08.11.21 um 14:57:
RAW files are all stored in full color.  You create the monochrome 
JPGs in the editing process.
not really: 
https://uk.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/LEICA-M-MONOCHROM?/switchlanguage/to/corposite_eng_gb/135193


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Re: [darktable-user] RE: My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread Willy Williams 
RAW files are all stored in full color.  You create the monochrome JPGs 
in the editing process.


*

On 11/8/2021 at 8:46, hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com wrote:


Oh and my raw files are RAF, from a Fuji X-T30.

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

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*Verzonden:* maandag 8 november 2021 14:45
*Aan:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
*Onderwerp:* My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not 
in darkroom


Hi y’all,

I took some images in black and white. When I open the folder in 
Lighttable, that’s visible. But when I want to inspect them 
individually in Darkroom, I’m seeing full colour. I clicked on all 
items in the history stack, but they show colour too.


Of course I can edit them and make ‘m B, but I guess an initial 
output of what my raw files took in B should be somewhere... but 
where do I find that?


I’m working on a Windows 10 64 bit laptop.

I hope you can help me out, obtaining the output the way I saw it when 
taking the picture.


Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem


 
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RE: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread hieke.vanhoogdalem 
tnx

Hartelijke groet,
Hieke van Hoogdalem



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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in 
lighttable, but not in darkroom



Guillermo Rozas schrieb am 08.11.21 um 14:53:
> If you want to recover that JPG rendition from your camera (and you're 
> not saving RAW+JPG), exiftool can extract the embedded JPG from the RAW file.
exactly.
Only drawback might be that Fuji does not embed full resolution.
e. g.
X-T30 RAF 14bit
compressed  RAW: 6384 x 4182


JPG-from-RAW: 4416 x 2944

-- 

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Re: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread Bernhard 




Guillermo Rozas schrieb am 08.11.21 um 14:53:

If you want to recover that JPG rendition from your camera (and you're not
saving RAW+JPG), exiftool can extract the embedded JPG from the RAW file.

exactly.
Only drawback might be that Fuji does not embed full resolution.
e. g.
X-T30 RAF 14bit
compressed  RAW: 6384 x 4182


JPG-from-RAW: 4416 x 2944

--

regards
Bernhard

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Re: [darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread Guillermo Rozas 
Hi,

what you see in the lighttable (until you edit the image) is the embedded
JPG. When your camera is taking "B" images it just processes the JPG to
be B, but the RAW file still has all the color information. darktable
uses the RAW file, so you see the latter in the darkroom.

If you want to recover that JPG rendition from your camera (and you're not
saving RAW+JPG), exiftool can extract the embedded JPG from the RAW file.

Best regards,
Guillermo

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:45 AM  wrote:

> Hi y’all,
>
>
>
> I took some images in black and white. When I open the folder in
> Lighttable, that’s visible. But when I want to inspect them individually in
> Darkroom, I’m seeing full colour. I clicked on all items in the history
> stack, but they show colour too.
>
>
>
> Of course I can edit them and make ‘m B, but I guess an initial output
> of what my raw files took in B should be somewhere... but where do I find
> that?
>
>
>
> I’m working on a Windows 10 64 bit laptop.
>
>
>
> I hope you can help me out, obtaining the output the way I saw it when
> taking the picture.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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[darktable-user] RE: My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread hieke.vanhoogdalem 
Oh and my raw files are RAF, from a Fuji X-T30.

 

Hartelijke groet,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 

Van: hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com  
Verzonden: maandag 8 november 2021 14:45
Aan: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
Onderwerp: My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in
darkroom

 

Hi y'all,

 

I took some images in black and white. When I open the folder in Lighttable,
that's visible. But when I want to inspect them individually in Darkroom,
I'm seeing full colour. I clicked on all items in the history stack, but
they show colour too.

 

Of course I can edit them and make 'm B, but I guess an initial output of
what my raw files took in B should be somewhere... but where do I find
that?

 

I'm working on a Windows 10 64 bit laptop.

 

I hope you can help me out, obtaining the output the way I saw it when
taking the picture.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 



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[darktable-user] My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom

2021-11-08 Thread hieke.vanhoogdalem 
Hi y'all,

 

I took some images in black and white. When I open the folder in Lighttable,
that's visible. But when I want to inspect them individually in Darkroom,
I'm seeing full colour. I clicked on all items in the history stack, but
they show colour too.

 

Of course I can edit them and make 'm B, but I guess an initial output of
what my raw files took in B should be somewhere... but where do I find
that?

 

I'm working on a Windows 10 64 bit laptop.

 

I hope you can help me out, obtaining the output the way I saw it when
taking the picture.

 

Kind regards,

Hieke van Hoogdalem

 



 



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