Re: [darktable-user] Loosing details when creating black & white

[Anders Lund]

Hi Michael,

I think it is normal that you loose a bit of contrast. I usually use a tone 
curve to finetune b/w images :)

Kindly,
Anders

søndag den 3. februar 2019 13.40.05 CET skrev Michael Jacobs:
> In DT 2.6.0 (on Linux Mint), when changing a color photo to black & white
> (via monochrome, channelmixer or color zones filter), details seem to be
> soften compared to original color photo.
> 
> But when exporting these B photos to jpg, details seem still to be
> present.
> 
> Can't find an explanation for for this.  Issue seem to bigger in
> lioghttable than in darkroom.  Maybe it's mainly a B display issue in
> lighttable ?  (In color details are OK in both darkroom and ligghtable.)
> 
> Someone an explanation ?
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] How to compare photos side-by-side

[Anders Lund]

Hello,

It is possible to zoom in into the lightroom to two columns, and then press 
TAB to hide the side- and topbars.

It is possible to press Z + SHIFT to view single image previews, then use 
arrow keys to switch forth and back.

Kindly,
Anders

fredag den 25. januar 2019 15.04.19 CET skrev johannes hanika:
> hi,
> 
> 1) you can open them in darkroom mode and use key accels (space,
> backspace) to switch between them, keeping zoom and view window where
> it was. you may need to work with colour labels/filtering in light
> table to put them side by side first
> 
> 2) snapshots are persistent, so you can make a snapshot at a given
> zoom/view window in your master image and compare the others by
> sliding the overlay
> 
> (no idea how LR does it)
> 
> -jo
> 
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:49 PM Matej Martinovic
> 
>  wrote:
> > It seems that this feature is not yet available
> > https://redmine.darktable.org/issues/8673
> > 
> > Am Fr., 25. Jan. 2019 um 08:34 Uhr schrieb :
> > > I'm a long-time Lightroom user that has been considering switching to
> > > darktable since Adobe switched to subscriptions, and I finally decided
> > > it was time to give darktable (2.6.0 on Windows 10) a real test drive on
> > > a set of wildlife photos from a morning hike.  I've completed my initial
> > > round of culling, and my next step is to select the best of the rest so
> > > I can process and publish them.  In many cases I have a sequence of
> > > photos of the same subject, and in LR I would use the compare view to
> > > look at pairs of images side-by-side, switching between zoom-to-100% and
> > > zoom-to-fit, to find the best of the sequence and give it a rating.  I
> > > haven't found anything similar to LR's compare view in darktable.  Is
> > > there some way in darktable that I've missed to compare two photos
> > > zoomed to 100%?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
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Re: [darktable-user] Permission denied? But all seems to be working

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onsdag den 16. januar 2019 09.20.16 CET skrev Johann Spies:
> Version 2.6  Debian
> 
> When I start darktable from the commandline I get
> 
> *$ /usr/bin/darktablesh: 1: /home/js/.config/darktable: Permission denied*
> but darktable seems to work without a problem
> 
> As far as I can see everything in *.config/darktable* is owned by the user
> (js) and permissions seems to be OK.

So you have rw rights on both folder and content?

Mine are:
[anders@ellie ~]$ ls -ld .config/darktable/
drwx-- 5 anders anders 4096 13 jan 10:15 .config/darktable/
[anders@ellie ~]$ ls -l .config/darktable/
totalt 32204
drwxr-xr-x 3 anders anders 4096 12 sep 11:08 color
-rw-r--r-- 1 anders anders25814  8 jan 11:51 darktablerc
-rw--- 1 anders anders22247 14 mar  2018 darktablerc.bak
-rw--- 1 anders anders   204800 13 jan 10:15 data.db
-rw-rw-rw- 1 anders anders6 13 jan 10:15 data.db.lock
-rw--- 1 anders anders87993 26 feb  2018 keyboardrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 anders anders94331 13 jan 10:15 keyboardrc_default
-rw--- 1 anders anders 32505856 15 jan 21:00 library.db
-rw-rw-rw- 1 anders anders6 13 jan 10:15 library.db.lock
drwx-- 2 anders anders 4096 19 okt 20:02 styles
drwx-- 2 anders anders 4096  8 dec 11:00 watermarks


> From which shell script does this message come?
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Printing with TurboPrint

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lørdag den 5. januar 2019 21.41.09 CET skrev David Vincent-Jones:
> Thanks Anders  are there any settings outside of the print module
> that I might have missed. I have been using TP for some years with good
> results .. this current problem is a real mystery to me.

I find printing a mystery, but I suspect a good, profiled monitor would solve 
some of my problems. I use the color adjustments in the driver once in a 
while, those are available in the dialog that is spawned by dt before printing 
here.

Kindly,
Anders

> David
> 
> On 2019-01-05 9:55 a.m., Anders Lund wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > FWIW, I have no problems printing with dt 2.6 - on the contrary, with this
> > version printer settings works, and I am also presented with a TP dialog
> > to
> > make additional adjustments.
> > 
> > Colors on my prints are fine.
> > 
> > I have not got a new TP driver, last I checked 2.46 was the latest
> > version.
> > 
> > Kindly,
> > Anders
> > 
> > lørdag den 5. januar 2019 00.23.35 CET skrev David Vincent-Jones:
> >> I am suddenly having problems printing with a new version of TurboPrint
> >> ... previously my experience was good going directly from dt to TP.
> >> 
> >> My Printer settings are: EpsonPhotoR2000-TurboPrint . Media: Epson
> >> Premium Glossy . profile: color management in printer driver 
> >> intent: perceptual
> >> 
> >> My print settings are: profile: Apple RGB  intent: perceptual
> >> 
> >> All of the TP settings are set at the default/100%
> >> 
> >> My results are totally cyan dominated.
> >> 
> >> If I output a JPG through GIMP/Guttenprint directly to the printer, then
> >> the results are correct.
> >> 
> >> Any ideas would be appreciated.
> >> 
> >> David
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Printing with TurboPrint

[Anders Lund]

Hi,

FWIW, I have no problems printing with dt 2.6 - on the contrary, with this 
version printer settings works, and I am also presented with a TP dialog to 
make additional adjustments.

Colors on my prints are fine. 

I have not got a new TP driver, last I checked 2.46 was the latest version.

Kindly,
Anders

lørdag den 5. januar 2019 00.23.35 CET skrev David Vincent-Jones:
> I am suddenly having problems printing with a new version of TurboPrint
> ... previously my experience was good going directly from dt to TP.
> 
> My Printer settings are: EpsonPhotoR2000-TurboPrint . Media: Epson
> Premium Glossy . profile: color management in printer driver 
> intent: perceptual
> 
> My print settings are: profile: Apple RGB  intent: perceptual
> 
> All of the TP settings are set at the default/100%
> 
> My results are totally cyan dominated.
> 
> If I output a JPG through GIMP/Guttenprint directly to the printer, then
> the results are correct.
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
> 
> David
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Tone Curve Presets

[Anders Lund]

Hi,

1. Apply the preset
2. click the preset menu in the module top
3. click "delete this preset"

Kindly,
Anders

torsdag den 20. december 2018 01.20.17 CET skrev David Vincent-Jones:
> I have accumulated a large number of specialty tone-curve presets and I
> would now like to remove a number of them. Is there a safe way to delete
> these presets?
> 
> David
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Bulk export without crop settings

[Anders Lund]

Hi,

I would create a style consisting of the crop and rotate module being off, and 
apply that in the export style setting.

Kindly,
Anders

søndag den 9. december 2018 02.58.03 CET skrev Terry Duell:
> Hello All,
> I have a few thousand family photographs, all shot in raw and processed in
> darktable.
> What I would like to do is pass these on to family members as jpg, with
> all the darktable processing with the exception of crop settings.
> I have experimented with calling darktable-cli from a bash script, and
> that provides an easy way of doing the export to a nominated path, but it
> does so utilising the current crop settings for each image.
> If I exclude the .xmp files from the list passed to the bash script the
> exports are uncropped but have none of the other darktable post processing.
> Is there a relatively simple way of excluding any crop settings whilst
> keeping all other PP for each individual image?
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Re: [darktable-user] Batch renaming software?

[Anders Lund]

Krename. Or import using digikam, it sorts in albums and renames using exif 
data.

Kindly,
Anders

fredag den 9. november 2018 02.21.31 CET skrev August Schwerdfeger:
> Can anybody recommend any good batch-renaming packages? I am specifically
> looking to replace a homebrew Python script that uses exposure-compensation
> metadata to identify sets of photos taken using autobracketing (preferably
> with something I can invoke from within Darktable).
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] No Lens Correction

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tirsdag den 6. november 2018 02.14.03 CET skrev Steven Adler:
> I installed darktable-git from the Manjaro AUR repository.  Everything
> works fine, but the Lens Correction module is missing.  I have tried
> every version from 2.50.716 to 2.50.800 and I can't get a compile that
> includes the Lens Correction Module.  Is it purposefully omitted from
> the unstable version, or is there something missing in my configuration?

Hi Steven,

Did you install lensfun?

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Re: [darktable-user] $(FILE_FOLDER)

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søndag den 14. oktober 2018 22.45.23 CEST skrev Michael:
> I've always wanted to be able to save to the folder the file is from and
> today I was looking at the options under under 'export selected' and
> noticed, '$(FILE_FOLDER)'. Cool except it doesn't want to work. it saves to
> the directory immediately above. if you want to see this graphically I want
> to save file 'x/y/z/pic to directory 'z' in directory /x/y/z but it saves
> it to directory 'y'. Any idea what os wrong? Is this a bug or am I being
> goofy.

My generic destination is "$(FILE_FOLDER)//$(FILE_NAME)", and it woks on my 
linux system.

/home/anders/Photos//XXX.Cr2 becomes /home/anders/Photos//
XXX.jpeg etc.

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Anders




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Re: [darktable-user] Fujifilm users: how to get the colors right?

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Hi,

søndag den 16. september 2018 14.08.38 CEST skrev kneops:
> Are there Fujifilm users active in this DT mailing list?
> 
> I'm trying to get the colors right.
> 
> I'm using the Fujifilm Raw file convertor on the left and DT on the
> right, and I'm trying to get the colors look the same, including the
> details in those colors.
> DT default profile is too red in general, and I've tried many times with
> many tools to get the Provia film simulation image look the same in DT.
> The Provia colors on the left are more realistic (I've was there ;) )

I'd try the channel mixer, or color correction. Or a tone curve, just 
adjusting the A and B curves. All slightly towards the warmer.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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torsdag den 13. september 2018 17.16.51 CEST skrev Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> On Thu, 2018-09-13 at 16:52 +0200, Anders Lund wrote:
> > torsdag den 13. september 2018 16.27.39 CEST skrev Anders Lund:
> > >  However, I can't seem to get it to print
> > > borderless from dt. This is a key issue for me, does that work for
> > > you out
> > > there?
> > 
> > Not from withing digikam either.  :\
> 
> Have you tried to set "borderless" in driver settings (e.g via link I
> sent before) before printing?
> 
> Timur.

Yes. In the turboprint control, in the layout tab, A4 is selected and 
Borderless checkbox checked. This is also displayed as expected in the printer 
properties dialog in digikam print creator, as the page size is shown as "A4 
Borderless". Judging from the docs, this is how it works in tp, if you want to 
create a custom page size, you have to decide if it is for borderless or not.

I wrote zedonet and asked if this is a nagware issue, because actually I'm in 
doubt, but no answer so far.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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onsdag den 12. september 2018 22.46.19 CEST skrev Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> On Wed, 2018-09-12 at 22:23 +0200, Anders Lund wrote:
> > Manufacturer provided drivers of good quality is one of the reasons
> > for 
> > getting an Epson printer. :)
> 
> Linux drivers from Epson have mediocre quality often with lower
> resolution and no advanced features like color management. Works for
> office job, but this is not why we buy Epson printers...

http://nc.alweb.dk/index.php/s/WEI1JVN4Af7lfnm

Here is a (mobile) photo of two prints of the same image, the turboprint 
result on the right have a grenish tint, compared the the  result of the epson 
driver. Of cause this may be fixed by fiddeling with the color controls in the 
turboprint driver settings, but it does not appear an easy task! Alternative 
could be to buy a profile from zedonet. The turboprint print also have better 
contrast in the shadows (the trees in the background, the wawes and dark 
clothing)

Both prints are printed on epson semigloss paper in best quality (as provided 
by each driver).

The epson driver print looks much more like what is on my screen, and both the 
exported jpeg (srgb) and the digikam darkroom and print view display of the 
photo.

I did a test more, trying to compensate for the green tint on the turboprint 
print, with some degree of succes. However, I can't seem to get it to print 
borderless from dt. This is a key issue for me, does that work for you out 
there?

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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torsdag den 13. september 2018 13.38.12 CEST skrev Pascal Obry:
> Le jeu. 13 sept. 2018 à 12:51, Anders Lund  a écrit :
> > Bu I still do not get to configure printer settings, like quality and
> > optional
> > borderless printing...
> 
> Ah indeed, I have done this early 2018 and the work was merged on 2018 Jan
> 10th.
> 
> So starting with next major release (2.6) you'll see the TurboPrint dialog.

That sounds very good, I'll look forward to that! :)

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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torsdag den 13. september 2018 12.56.35 CEST skrev Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> It does provide things you mentioned via TurboPrint Control panel or
> via standard https://localhost:631/admin/ web interface.

Yes, the control center ot monitor is what I use. I just have to try and 
remember each time :)

Kindly,
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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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torsdag den 13. september 2018 13.01.28 CEST skrev Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> TurboPrint comes with nice Gimp plugin (File → TurboPrint). All options
> are available there.

I appreciate that, but I haven't even GIMP installed here. :)

Kindly,
Anders




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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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> I'll be trying out turboprint, then :)

So I installed Turboprint, and got the daemon running. I can now select a 
turboprint version of my epson printer in dt.

Turboprint does not provide a paperclass for my semigloss paper, they suggest 
glossy, but recommends a specific profile, that they will sell (which is fine, 
when I get decide on some media to work on).

Bu I still do not get to configure printer settings, like quality and optional 
borderless printing in digikam, I have to do it in the turboprint ui. 
Something to check for each print or set of prints. It would be nice if the 
settings dialog were displayed by dt prior to actually printing. Another 
benefit of this would be the preview the dialog provides, it would for example 
show the nagware logo.

This setup apparently does not provide any means for controlling crop, but my 
2:3 photos needs to be cropped to actually fille a DIN A4 paper, so to produce 
a print filling the paper, I first need to use the crop and rotate module. 
Given a margin, this would require math skills applied and a custom crop, so 
it would be nice if the print view could provide a cropping tool.

Turbo

So I did this: 
Selected a photo for printing
Crop to DINA aspect for printing on A4
Margins set to 0
An additional style selected, append mode.
Enabled borderless in Turboprint control for the printer
Selected "Glossy" paper type in turboprint control.
Selected high quality in the turboprint control.

I printed on a Epson premium semigloss paper.

Result:
Turboprint is faster than the epson driver printing in "Photo Best" quality.
Very nice quality print, good, clear colors and no problems with ink  :-)
Style was not applied. (I use style in a similar way in export presets, for 
example for adding watermarks, there it works.)
A BIG, UGLY turboprint logo on the print, even their docs says it will appear 
AFTER the 30 day free trial period, only if you don't buy a licence. I 
installed from aur (archlinux user repository), which may differ from the 
trial package one can download from turboprint.info.

Conclusion:
I'd really like to try printing without the nagware logo before buying a 
licence, althoug the price isn't a problem.

Good support in dt is missing, as in the printing options are not made 
available prior to printing. It is really not better than using the epson cups 
driver in this respect. Not sure about the quality yet. 

Kindly,
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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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torsdag den 13. september 2018 08.37.42 CEST skrev Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> Then I wonder how you used Photo RGB and Adobe RGB, official drivers
> for consumer printers are sRGB calibrated by default and Adobe RGB
> option is available only for selected models. Sure it will print
> something, but I doubt that color reproduction will be right.

My current workflow is exporting from dt. I set the output profile to adobeRGB 
or ProPhotoRGB colorspace. There is visible difference in the result.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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torsdag den 13. september 2018 07.45.39 CEST skrev Pascal Obry:
> As I said the paper manufacturer are providing ICC profile
> for all theirs papers for Windows and Mac drivers, but not for
> GNU/Linux one.

Wouldn't those icc profiles be the same on linux systems?

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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onsdag den 12. september 2018 22.46.19 CEST skrev Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> On Wed, 2018-09-12 at 22:23 +0200, Anders Lund wrote:
> > Manufacturer provided drivers of good quality is one of the reasons
> > for 
> > getting an Epson printer. :)
> 
> Linux drivers from Epson have mediocre quality often with lower
> resolution and no advanced features like color management. Works for
> office job, but this is not why we buy Epson printers...
> 
> Timur.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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onsdag den 12. september 2018 21.49.42 CEST skrev Pascal Obry:
> Maybe you are a lucky one with a perfect CUPS Gutenprint driver. But
> this is very very rare and printing without color management with CUPS
> is generally giving very bad (and yes I do mean very bad) results when
> it comes to color rendered on paper.

Manufacturer provided drivers of good quality is one of the reasons for 
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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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onsdag den 12. september 2018 18.20.00 CEST skrev Pascal Obry:
> Le mercredi 12 septembre 2018 à 12:25 +0300, Timur Irikovich Davletshin
> 
> a écrit :
> > It's better to address this issue to developers, e.g. Pascal Obry.
> 
> If you're using TurboPrint then yes there is a dialog displayed where
> you can select all options.
> 
> Now this is not done for the standard Gtk+ dialog because it is not
> possible to get good results if you change random values in the printer
> driver like Gutenprint. Currently the color management in CUPS is
> disabled (by dt) so all the jobs must be done before. When using
> TurboPrint you'll see a message in printer ICC saying:
> 
>"color management in printer driver"
> 
> So for now I would highly recommend using TurboPrint to get high
> quality print with darktable.

I'm not looking for color management, but for the ability to select
- print quality
- paper type
- boarderless on/off
- safe paper size selection (which is also likely simpler than the present 
list)

I currently mostly prints with digikam print creator, since that is the 
closest. I export my file using ProPhotoRGB profile from dt, and the printer 
(or printer driver) handles the color management, likely based on paper type 
selection.

I never tried using turboprint, but cups works with the driver provided by 
epson, which is producing very good results.

I don't understand why using cups is a problem for dt, since other 
applications use it without problems.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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onsdag den 12. september 2018 10.49.55 CEST skrev Anders Lund:
> onsdag den 12. september 2018 08.53.09 CEST skrev Anders Lund:
> > Hello,
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Anyone knows if this part of dt is being worked on?
> 
> A good reason for working on this: Printing from digikam, without having to
> export a jpg first, yelds significantly better results here, when exporting
> sRGB jpeg. Colors are simply not as good after the jpeg step.
> 
> I'm yet to try exporting using adobeRGB and/or prophoto colorspaces, which
> may help a bit.

Now tried, and there is a huge difference. As expected, ProPhotoRGB > AdobeRGB 
> sRGB, and that is clearly visible in the prints, while on my laptop display 
(very poor) the difference is very small. Probably, exporting to high quality 
tiff or png is also better than using jpeg.

If you have digikam installed, you can 
cp /usr/share/digikam/profiles/prophoto.icm ~/.config/darktable/color/out/ 
and restart dt to use the ProPhotoRGB colorspace in the color/output color 
profile module. (you probably need to create ~/.config/darktable/color/out 
first). 
The similar paths for windows/mac are unknown to me.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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onsdag den 12. september 2018 08.53.09 CEST skrev Anders Lund:
> Hello,

[...]

> Anyone knows if this part of dt is being worked on?

A good reason for working on this: Printing from digikam, without having to 
export a jpg first, yelds significantly better results here, when exporting 
sRGB jpeg. Colors are simply not as good after the jpeg step. 

I'm yet to try exporting using adobeRGB and/or prophoto colorspaces, which may 
help a bit.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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onsdag den 12. september 2018 10.14.54 CEST skrev Timur Irikovich Davletshin:
> On Wed, 2018-09-12 at 08:53 +0200, Anders Lund wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I just tried the printing functionality in dt.
> > 
> > First, I did not get presented with printer settings, so I had to set
> > the 
> > printer defaults (using kde systemsettings and system-config-printer
> > in my 
> > case).
> > 
> > The paper size list in the printing section of dt is not matching the
> > list of 
> > papers supported by the printer, and the very common (at least in
> > europe) size 
> > 13*18cm is missing.
> > 
> > I wanted to apply a style, and selected one in the list - but it was
> > not 
> > applied.
> > 
> > My printer is an Epson 1500w, and the driver is the one provided by
> > epson (and 
> > recommended by openprinting).
> > 
> > Anyone knows if this part of dt is being worked on?
> > 
> > Kindly,
> > Anders
> 
> As far as I know this is still impossible. This question has been
> adressed couple times already, you can search mailing list for "printer
> settings" and "printer colors". In my case (Turboprint drivers) I have
> to set required settings (like paper type, color profiles) as default
> and print from darktable with default settings. Or, which is more
> convinient, from Turboprint's Gimp plugin.

Couldn't dt use the system printing dialog? (that could be a gtk one, if such 
a thing exists?)

In digikams print creation tool, a dialog is displayed that includes the 
printer specific options, using kde/qt ui.

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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

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More: I find that the dt printing tool handles margins correctly, as opposed 
to the digikam printing tool. That is, with dt I can have a white border on my 
prints using margin, I have not been able to achieve that using digikam yet.

Kindly,
Anders

onsdag den 12. september 2018 08.53.09 CEST skrev Anders Lund:
> Hello,
> 
> I just tried the printing functionality in dt.
> 
> First, I did not get presented with printer settings, so I had to set the
> printer defaults (using kde systemsettings and system-config-printer in my
> case).
> 
> The paper size list in the printing section of dt is not matching the list
> of papers supported by the printer, and the very common (at least in
> europe) size 13*18cm is missing.
> 
> I wanted to apply a style, and selected one in the list - but it was not
> applied.
> 
> My printer is an Epson 1500w, and the driver is the one provided by epson
> (and recommended by openprinting).
> 
> Anyone knows if this part of dt is being worked on?
> 
> Kindly,
> Anders
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Printing

[Anders Lund]

Hi Michael,

onsdag den 12. september 2018 09.08.02 CEST skrev Michael Below:
> Hi,
> I just got an Epson printer, and found the printer module to be working
> fine:

Which printer? And which driver? Is it a turpoprint provided one?

> I am using Turboprint, including the printer setup tool, with one of their
> paper profiles. The colours are fine. Don't know about 13*18, though.

I don't have problems with printer/color quality. The stylus 1500W is a 
"proconsumer" grade printer, and there is not direct access to using .icc 
files, I believe it handles that internally based on paper choice.

The 13x18 paper can probably be achieved by using a custom paper size.

> I am wondering if it is possible to print multiple images onto one page.
> This would be nice to e.g. quickly compare different processing variants of
> one image.

That is supported by the digikam printing tool, but not tested by me yet, and 
not really useful for the described scenario, unless you export your photo 
multiple times)

Kindly,
Anders

> Cheers
> Michael
> 
> Am 12. September 2018 08:53:09 MESZ schrieb Anders Lund :
> >Hello,
> >
> >I just tried the printing functionality in dt.
> >
> >First, I did not get presented with printer settings, so I had to set
> >the
> >printer defaults (using kde systemsettings and system-config-printer in
> >my
> >case).
> >
> >The paper size list in the printing section of dt is not matching the
> >list of
> >papers supported by the printer, and the very common (at least in
> >europe) size
> >13*18cm is missing.
> >
> >I wanted to apply a style, and selected one in the list - but it was
> >not
> >applied.
> >
> >My printer is an Epson 1500w, and the driver is the one provided by
> >epson (and
> >recommended by openprinting).
> >
> >Anyone knows if this part of dt is being worked on?
> >
> >Kindly,
> >Anders
> >
> >
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[darktable-user] Printing

[Anders Lund]

Hello,

I just tried the printing functionality in dt.

First, I did not get presented with printer settings, so I had to set the 
printer defaults (using kde systemsettings and system-config-printer in my 
case).

The paper size list in the printing section of dt is not matching the list of 
papers supported by the printer, and the very common (at least in europe) size 
13*18cm is missing.

I wanted to apply a style, and selected one in the list - but it was not 
applied.

My printer is an Epson 1500w, and the driver is the one provided by epson (and 
recommended by openprinting).

Anyone knows if this part of dt is being worked on?

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Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening

[Anders Lund]

Hi Jack,

Could you provide a link to som sort of comparison? That would be very nice. 
If you are on facebook, there is a group for darktable users that could be 
used.

I do not have problems with sharpness, defaults appears to work quite well for 
me, I sometimes use a highpass preset I created, sometimes the equalizer 
module, but mostly for extra sharpening with a mask. I'm shooting with a Canon 
EOS 7D.

Kindly,
Anders 

onsdag den 5. september 2018 08.56.07 CEST skrev kneops:
> First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many
> different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and
> Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue,
> but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an
> image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and
> Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple,
> except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly
> right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in
> areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance,
> I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails
> and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails
> of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of
> horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those
> hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the
> sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible
> to get it right.
> 
> What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching
> this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these
> kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;).
> 
> By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras.
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Selective contrast

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mandag den 30. juli 2018 22.41.39 CEST skrev darkta...@911networks.com:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:15:54 -0700
> 
> darkta...@911networks.com wrote:
> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:21:08 +0200
> >
> >Anders Lund  wrote:
> >>mandag den 30. juli 2018 16.09.22 CEST skrev
> >>
> >>darkta...@911networks.com:
> >>> DT 2.4.4 on Manjaro
> >>> 
> >>> Is there a way of changing the contrast level based on the level
> >>> of details?
> >>
> >>Have a look at the equalizer module.
> >
> >I did but I was happy with it. Most likely I did not do it properly.
> >Is there some good tutorial for the equalizer?
> 
> Oops: I meant:
> 
> I did but I was *NOT* happy with it. Most likely I did not do it
> properly. Is there some good tutorial for the equalizer?

Try starting with some of the presets, for example the "sharpen" one. You can 
adjust the mix, and also the curve. It takes some practise.

As for tutorials, there is the docs in the manuals, and some videos on 
youtube.

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Re: [darktable-user] Selective contrast

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mandag den 30. juli 2018 16.09.22 CEST skrev darkta...@911networks.com:
> DT 2.4.4 on Manjaro
> 
> Is there a way of changing the contrast level based on the level of
> details?
> 
> Something like wavelets? My recollection is that wavelets are already
> used for showing the focus areas. I'd like to increase the
> contrast/details in these areas.

Hi,
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Re: [darktable-user] UI problem

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mandag den 30. juli 2018 07.32.50 CEST skrev Anders Lund:
> Sorry if I forgot a step.
> 
> The important is
> 
> Z + SHIFT
> TAB
> Z
> D
> L => broken state
> 
> søndag den 29. juli 2018 23.06.35 CEST skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > * Anders Lund  [07-29-18 16:26]:
> > > When using the full screen preview (Z + SHIFT), it is possible to get
> > > the
> > > lighttable view into a broken state, where the sidebars are hidden.
> > > 
> > > Do the following:
> > > 
> > > Press Z + SHIFT.
> > > Browse a bit
> > > Press TAB (nothing will happen)
> > 
> > is it supposed to?
> > if you first leave the "sicky preview" mode it will

This is the problem. After pressing TAB while in sticky preview mode, and then 
leaving that and going into darkroom mode, coming back to lighttable the side 
panels have gone. Displaying them again works once, but after editing a photo, 
they are gone again. 

> > > Press D, the selected photo will be opened in Darkroom view
> > 
> > pressing "D" doesn't do anything on my dt,
> > 
> >   darktable-2.5.0~git419.7fb1d1eee-278
> >   
> > > Press L to go back to Lighttable mode - which is now broken.
> > 
> > also nothing unless I first leave the "sticky preview" mode.
> > 
> > > It is possible to get it back into order, but it is difficult. It takes
> > > showing the sidebars and pressing TAB, but I am NOT sure about the
> > > procedure. Sometimes I give up and restart dt.
> > 
> > pressing "z" to exit "sticky preview" mode returns me to lighttable mode
> > where the "sidebars" are displayed if they were displayed when I went to
> > "sticky preview".  if I enter "sticky preview" when the sidbars were
> > hidden,  does not redisplay them.  that may be a bug.  it certainly
> > isn't what I expect.  but mouse clicking on the "triangles" which
> > display/hide the sidebars redisplays them.  no need to restart dt.
> > 
> > > I believe this is a bug.
> > > 
> > https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/web/issues/new
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] UI problem

[Anders Lund]

Sorry if I forgot a step.

The important is

Z + SHIFT
TAB
Z
D
L => broken state

søndag den 29. juli 2018 23.06.35 CEST skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund  [07-29-18 16:26]:
> > When using the full screen preview (Z + SHIFT), it is possible to get the
> > lighttable view into a broken state, where the sidebars are hidden.
> > 
> > Do the following:
> > 
> > Press Z + SHIFT.
> > Browse a bit
> > Press TAB (nothing will happen)
> 
> is it supposed to?
> if you first leave the "sicky preview" mode it will
> 
> > Press D, the selected photo will be opened in Darkroom view
> 
> pressing "D" doesn't do anything on my dt,
>   darktable-2.5.0~git419.7fb1d1eee-278
> 
> > Press L to go back to Lighttable mode - which is now broken.
> 
> also nothing unless I first leave the "sticky preview" mode.
> 
> > It is possible to get it back into order, but it is difficult. It takes
> > showing the sidebars and pressing TAB, but I am NOT sure about the
> > procedure. Sometimes I give up and restart dt.
> 
> pressing "z" to exit "sticky preview" mode returns me to lighttable mode
> where the "sidebars" are displayed if they were displayed when I went to
> "sticky preview".  if I enter "sticky preview" when the sidbars were
> hidden,  does not redisplay them.  that may be a bug.  it certainly
> isn't what I expect.  but mouse clicking on the "triangles" which
> display/hide the sidebars redisplays them.  no need to restart dt.
> 
> > I believe this is a bug.
> 
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[darktable-user] UI problem

[Anders Lund]

When using the full screen preview (Z + SHIFT), it is possible to get the 
lighttable view into a broken state, where the sidebars are hidden.

Do the following:

Press Z + SHIFT. 
Browse a bit
Press TAB (nothing will happen)
Press D, the selected photo will be opened in Darkroom view
Press L to go back to Lighttable mode - which is now broken.

It is possible to get it back into order, but it is difficult. It takes 
showing the sidebars and pressing TAB, but I am NOT sure about the procedure. 
Sometimes I give up and restart dt.

I believe this is a bug.

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Re: [darktable-user] Youtube tutorials

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tirsdag den 10. juli 2018 11.18.26 CEST skrev Ben Oliver:
> On 18-07-10 11:11:49, Anders Lund wrote:
> >Hi Bruce,
> >
> >Some of the issues you point out should actually be considered  bugs, IMHO.
> >Consider reporting them as such. I think of the misbehavior of ALT + 1, and
> >the import options problem.
> >
> >Kindly,
> >Anders
> 
> Yeah I don't know if it's a 'bug' or not but I do feel like perhaps the
> zoom should home in on the selected photo rather than the one that
> happens to be on the top left.
> 
> If no photo is selected it could fall back to the current behaviour.

The general behavior in dt is that if a photo is selected, og the cursor is 
above it, that photo is used for actions involving a single one. That is why I 
consider the ALT + 1 behavior buggy :)

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Re: [darktable-user] One panel with basics

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Hi,

You could use the favourite modules feature to collect the basics :)

Kindly,
Anders

tirsdag den 10. juli 2018 10.51.57 CEST skrev kneops:
> After Bruce let us know he is doing some tutorials on DT and I replied
> that the UI is sometimes so complex that tutorials are really necessary,
> this is a way I think DT could be made simpler for novice users and for
> quick edits, especially handy for photographers who shoot press images
> and have to deliver quick (like I have to do sometimes).
> 
> At this moment these are among my favorite tools:
> 
> 
> 
> But now I have to open sharpness to sharpen, then open contrast to add
> contrast, then open white balace for temperature, than back to contast
> to add saturation etc.
> 
> Why not add a Quick Tab with only sliders like this.
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Youtube tutorials

[Anders Lund]

Hi Bruce,

Some of the issues you point out should actually be considered  bugs, IMHO. 
Consider reporting them as such. I think of the misbehavior of ALT + 1, and 
the import options problem.

Kindly,
Anders

tirsdag den 10. juli 2018 08.39.42 CEST skrev Bruce Williams:
> Hi all,
> I've been using darktable for a couple of years now, and have decided that
> it's time to start producing a series of videos for youtube to assist new
> users to get up to speed on how darktable works.
> As I mention in the first episode, I don't claim to be an expert in dt.
> Just a keen user.
> For anyone who may be interested, the playlist is here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpRPvm04Uj0=PLlYWvzmJQTrRq7JrYdD7k3-8-v
> -uHnhK_ If anyone notices a glaring error in anything I've said in a
> published video, please let me know, and I'll be more than happy to offer a
> correction in a later video, should that be necessary.
> Cheers,
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Re: [darktable-user] Darktable crashes

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Please do not CC the mailing list. CC others.

For debug info, run 'darktable -d' in a terminal.

Kindly,
Anders

tirsdag den 10. april 2018 19.43.09 CEST skrev peter white:
> No report pops up. Darktable just vanishes.
> 
> Peter White
> 
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus
> > wrote:
 
> Am Dienstag, 10. April 2018, 16:49:17 CEST schrieb peter white:
> I’m running OS X 10.13.4
> 
> Darktable crashes within a minute or so of starting the program. What can
> be
 done?
> 
> Showing the crash report would be a good start.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter White
> 
> Tobias
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Darktable crashes

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tirsdag den 10. april 2018 19.43.09 CEST skrev peter white:
> No report pops up. Darktable just vanishes.
> 
> Peter White
> 
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus
> > wrote:
 
> Am Dienstag, 10. April 2018, 16:49:17 CEST schrieb peter white:
> I’m running OS X 10.13.4
> 
> Darktable crashes within a minute or so of starting the program. What can
> be
 done?

run 'darktable -d' from a terminal,  and paste the output into a mail :)

> 
> Showing the crash report would be a good start.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter White
> 
> Tobias
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Highlight Details

[Anders Lund]

Hi Chris,

I post a screenshot of a similar problem, showing how I used the color 
reconstruction module. The screenshot contains a snapshot, so that half the 
image is the darktable default, including the basecurve.

I drag the sliders until I get the best result.

Prior to color reconstruction, I lowered the exposure using the exposure 
module.

See the screen here: https://nc.alweb.dk/index.php/s/ndbtqwwvWCbvu2Z

Kindly,
Anders

søndag den 8. april 2018 22.10.42 CEST skrev Chris:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am a recent convert to Darktable, and seem to be battling to find a
> good way to recover detail in highlights. Lightroom does such a good job
> of it with a single slider.
> 
> I found this video: https://hooktube.com/watch?v=JF5CFQPgidk but he
> doesn't recover any detail, simply push colour into area's that are
> washed out... which is not what I am attempting to achieve. I would like
> to see the details in blown out cloudy skies recovered. Since I have
> literally seen this possible in lightroom, I am surprise I cannot
> recover the detail on the same raw file within darktable.
> 
> Maybe you have all seen this question before, and have some suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Performance hit after upgrade to 2.4.2 (Mac OS 10.11.6)

[Anders Lund]

I accepted, and I have a considreable improvement in startup time. Not sure 
about working performance, but it is definately not worse. No issues.

Kindly,
Anders

torsdag den 29. marts 2018 11.35.26 CEST skrev J Albrecht:
> When I had first fired-up dt after upgrading, I was greeted by a dialogue
> stating something about performance enhancements being made to this version
> and I could choose to accept them or not. Well, I decided not to because
> things were operating quite well with 2.4.1. Bad choice, my machine now
> chugs and drags along wheres earlier it flew! Question is, how can I engage
> the “enhancements” since the one-time-only dialogue is gone? Either that
> or, I’ll go back to
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Re: [darktable-user] Blacks and whites

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tirsdag den 27. marts 2018 20.09.38 CEST skrev komodo:
> Hi,
> 
> is there any option to do something like Blacks and Whites in LR ?

Maybe blacks in the exposure module, and white-point in shadows & highlights?



> I saw some videos where this adjustments do a great improvements.
> 
> I don't mean B convertion, i mean sliders.
> 
> Thank you
> 
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[darktable-user] stars and export

[Anders Lund]

Hi,

My workflow with dt is that I use digikam to select files, so I open them in dt 
from within digikam. All files gets one star automatically. But when I export, 
not all exported files has one star, in a manner that seems random to me.

Why is that, and is there a way I can fix it?

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

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onsdag den 14. marts 2018 21.57.48 CET skrev Michael Rasmussen:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:51:49 +0100
> 
> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:

> To the DT developers: What we kind off narrowed the Arch problem down
> to is that whenever Arch makes major upgrades of libc and glib the
> transition between old and new versions sometimes is not consistent
> across all libraries resulting in missing runtime references til
> libraries. ldd is your friend ;-)

I think that is a plausible thought. I have used arch for many years with very 
few problems, but libc/glib updates may well be connected to some the few ones 
I have had.

My current glibc package is built at jan. 17 2018.

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

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onsdag den 14. marts 2018 21.24.43 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 15:23]:
> > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.37.49 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 10:31]:
> > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > > > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > > > * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > > > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even
> > > > > > > > starts in
> > > > > > > > broken
> > > > > > > > configueration.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode
> > > > > > > > > (modules
> > > > > > > > > hidden),
> > > > > > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not
> > > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone
> > > > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > > > > > Anders
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > __
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > __ darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > where did you get dt?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > build or install from ...?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > archlinux, using pacman
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous
> > > > > > > build?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that
> > > > > > > newer?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and
> > > > > > > config
> > > > > > > files?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable
> > > > > > information. I
> > > > > > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can
> > > > > > happen.
> > > > > 
> > > > > you don't need to make changes to your system.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir
> > > > >   /dev/null
> > > > > 
> > > > > --library :memory:
> > > > >   darktable --help
> > > 
> > > did you try:  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null
> > > --library> > 
> > > :memory:
> > I can try that, although as said I am not sure how to reproduce the
> > problem, it comes and goes.
> 
> warning, --library :memory: does not save you image setting to the
> database and does not alter your database.  it does save the image changes
> into the .xmp file

Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

[Anders Lund]

onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.37.49 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 10:31]:
> > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in
> > > > > > broken
> > > > > > configueration.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode
> > > > > > > (modules
> > > > > > > hidden),
> > > > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone
> > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > > > Anders
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
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> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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> > > > > 
> > > > > where did you get dt?
> > > > > 
> > > > > build or install from ...?
> > > > 
> > > > archlinux, using pacman
> > > > 
> > > > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > > > > 
> > > > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that
> > > > > newer?
> > > > > 
> > > > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config
> > > > > files?
> > > > 
> > > > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable
> > > > information. I
> > > > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.
> > > 
> > > you don't need to make changes to your system.
> > > 
> > >   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir
> > >   /dev/null
> > > 
> > > --library :memory:
> > >   darktable --help
> 
> did you try:  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --library
> :memory:

I can try that, although as said I am not sure how to reproduce the problem, 
it comes and goes.

> > > > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then
> > > > report
> > > > that so it can be tested.
> > > > 
> > > > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only
> > > > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> > > 
> > > which "config file"?

I haven't studied dt's use of config files in detail. But I am sure it saves 
configuration, since it normally remembers all my settings, presets, history 
and window state just fine - something that I really appreciates :)

> > > 
> > > doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt
> > > working
> > > on the system you "moved" to?
> > 
> > It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.
> 
> either you don't understand the question or I fail to understand the
> answer.
> 
> which "config file" did you move and what do you mean "between systems"?
> the answer you give does not help with either.

I had a HP Elitebook 2560p, which had an error, so I sent it in for repair. 
They gave me another one (same model), so I installed archlinux on it, and 
restored my homedir from a backup. In general, all my software works as 
before, including dt, which remembers my collection history, presets etc.

My DE is Plasma, but why/how would that affect dt, and why would it'saffect 
suddenly change? I have run dt for years.

I do not think the problem comes from the system change. 

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

[Anders Lund]

onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in
> > > > broken
> > > > configueration.
> > > > 
> > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > 
> > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > > > hidden),
> > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to
> > > > > show
> > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > Anders
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
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> > > > 
> > > > __
> > > > 
> > > > __ darktable user mailing list
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> > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > > 
> > > where did you get dt?
> > > 
> > > build or install from ...?
> > 
> > archlinux, using pacman
> > 
> > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > > 
> > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?
> > > 
> > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?
> > 
> > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable information. I
> > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.
> 
> you don't need to make changes to your system.
>   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir /dev/null 
> --library :memory:
> 
>   darktable --help
> 
> > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then report
> > that so it can be tested.
> > 
> > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only
> > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> 
> which "config file"?
> 
> doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt working
> on the system you "moved" to?

It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.




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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

[Anders Lund]

onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in broken
> > configueration.
> > 
> > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > Hi list,
> > > 
> > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > hidden),
> > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > experiencing this?
> > > 
> > > Kindly,
> > > Anders
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
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> > __
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> where did you get dt?
> 
> build or install from ...?

archlinux, using pacman

> if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> 
> if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?
> 
> have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?

Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable information. I 
believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.

I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then report that so 
it can be tested.

I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only problem I 
found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

[Anders Lund]

This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in broken 
configueration.

mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> Hi list,
> 
> When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules hidden),
> lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> experiencing this?
> 
> Kindly,
> Anders
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

[Anders Lund]

mandag den 12. marts 2018 23.07.28 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk> [03-12-18 17:53]:
> > Correcting the configuration by pressing the arrows in the edge, and then
> > restarting dt helps - for a while. I have had this problem a few times.
> > And
> > when it is present, switching to lighttable *always* is misbehaved.
> > 
> > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > Hi list,
> > > 
> > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > hidden),
> > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > experiencing this?
> > > 

[...]

> what operating system, what version dt?

Arch Linux, latest version (2.4.1)

I think it may have to do with using the full screen preview, and 
accidentially pressing TAB while that is active (this happens because the 
screen looks exactly like the darkroom in TAB mode), but I am not sure yet.

---
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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

[Anders Lund]

Correcting the configuration by pressing the arrows in the edge, and then 
restarting dt helps - for a while. I have had this problem a few times. And 
when it is present, switching to lighttable *always* is misbehaved.

mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> Hi list,
> 
> When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules hidden),
> lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> experiencing this?
> 
> Kindly,
> Anders
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] How to delete a film roll

[Anders Lund]

onsdag den 7. marts 2018 19.05.56 CET skrev Tobias Ellinghaus:
> Am Mittwoch, 7. März 2018, 18:41:28 CET schrieb Anders Lund:
> > Hi list,
> > 
> > How do I remove a film roll from darktables memory?
> 
> Just select all the images in it and remove them from darktable. The now
> empty filmroll will be removed automatically.

Thanks Tobias, but at least for now, the filmroll is still in the "recent" 
list, and just shows as empty. Not that it matters that much, though :)

Kindly,
Anders

> > Kindly,
> > Anders
> 
> Tobias





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[darktable-user] How to delete a film roll

[Anders Lund]

Hi list,

How do I remove a film roll from darktables memory? 

Kindly,
Anders



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Re: [darktable-user] Export preset

[Anders Lund]

søndag den 4. marts 2018 11.27.44 CET skrev Tobias Ellinghaus:
> You are right, it's not possible.

... but maybe it can be implemented using LUA scripting?

Kindly,
Anders



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Re: [darktable-user] Export by step

[Anders Lund]

søndag den 25. februar 2018 19.44.22 CET skrev darkta...@911networks.com:
> DT 2.4.1
> 
> I have processed my image:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/ynw0KcK.png
> 
> How can I do the export?
> 
> I'd like to go back into the history: at the crop & rotate stage and
> do an export with the name:
> 
> /drive-b/temp/exports/$(FILE_NAME)_before
> 
> and then to an export with the last item (the highpass) and set the
> filename to:
> 
> /drive-b/temp/exports/$(FILE_NAME)_after
> 
> so I can show the difference in processing.

Hi,

Just select the desired step in the history, and press CTRL + E. If you want 
to change the filename, you have to go to lighttabele, but otherwise, 
darktable will just export ($FILE_NAME)_01 or so, it will not overwrite your 
file unless you force that.

Alternatively, use the snapshot module, in the top of the left sidebar of the 
lighttable, or just turn your highpass module on/off to view the difference :)

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Fwd: Re: [darktable-user] get a better definition in lighttable

[Anders Lund]

Forwarding this valuable tip. Btw, Fx keys sets color label, also in preview 
mode. :)

--  Videresendt brev  --

Emne: Re: [darktable-user] get a better definition in lighttable
Dato: onsdag den 21. februar 2018, 10.25.36 CET
Fra: Bruce Williams <stu...@audio2u.com>
Til: Anders Lund <and...@alweb.dk>

And if you press z to get the large single image view, and then press the
shift key, you will be able to keep the large single image view.
Press z again to escape back to  light table view.

On 21 Feb 2018 19:58, "Anders Lund" <and...@alweb.dk> wrote:

> Hi Laurent,
>
> Press Z (and wait for a moment) to see a full screen preview in lighttable.
> You can use arrow keys to navigate and add stars using numbers while the
> preview is displayed. Ctrl + Z also shows focus.
>
> Kindly,
> Anders
>
> onsdag den 21. februar 2018 09.50.55 CET skrev laurent wawrzyniak:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I would like to be able to select my photos directly in lighttable before
> > processing the lucky ones in darkroom.
> >
> > But when i use lighttable zoom at full screen size, my pictures are
> blurry
> > and I can't be sure they are in focus.
> >
> > i didn't find an option to ask for a better definition in lighttable. I
> > tried "do not use miniature JPEG" but it didn't work out.
> >
> >
> > thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > regards,
> > Laurent
> >
> > 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] get a better definition in lighttable

[Anders Lund]

Hi Laurent,

Press Z (and wait for a moment) to see a full screen preview in lighttable. 
You can use arrow keys to navigate and add stars using numbers while the 
preview is displayed. Ctrl + Z also shows focus.

Kindly,
Anders

onsdag den 21. februar 2018 09.50.55 CET skrev laurent wawrzyniak:
> Hello all,
> 
> I would like to be able to select my photos directly in lighttable before
> processing the lucky ones in darkroom.
> 
> But when i use lighttable zoom at full screen size, my pictures are blurry
> and I can't be sure they are in focus.
> 
> i didn't find an option to ask for a better definition in lighttable. I
> tried "do not use miniature JPEG" but it didn't work out.
> 
> 
> thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> regards,
> Laurent
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] history stack still containing disabled modules after compression - why?

[Anders Lund]

A suggestion: Remove modules that are disabled + reset at compress history 
stack.

Kindly,
Anders

torsdag den 1. februar 2018 17.55.14 CET skrev Matthew Harrison:
> On 1 February 2018 at 15:46, Remco Viëtor  wrote:
> > The current implementation of "compress history stack" has one important
> > propery: it does /nothing/ that influences your edit session, it only
> > removes
> > modules that cannot have an effect. Removing modules that are turned off
> > breaks
> > that.
> > 
> > Use case: you want to use e.g. equaliser or profiled denoise, perhaps with
> > some
> > parametric or user mask. Good, no problem, just a bit time consuming to
> > set up
> > to your liking. Then you want to convert to black and white, or play with
> > some
> > colour changes.
> > Both equaliser and profiled denoise are quite slow (imply a lot of
> > calculation). So while you want to play with the conversions, it can be
> > nice
> > to turn those two off.
> > But after playing with colour conversions, you can end up with a lot of
> > unused
> > modules in the history,
> > 
> > So please leave modules that are just turned off in the stack on
> > compressing.
> > Perhaps add an option to remove all unused modules (unused == unreachable
> > or
> > turned off).
> > 
> > Remco
> 
> I sometimes have multiple versions of the same module with useful
> intermediate steps in my history, much the same as your example. Compress
> history stack would remove them, so I can't accept your central premise.
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] problems with parametric mask

[Anders Lund]

mandag den 29. januar 2018 20.57.09 CET skrev ternaryd:
> The problem with this is
> that a selection luminosity of less than 1 unit
> can not be adjusted; selecting 1 unit instead
> will invade unintended areas causing ugly
> artifacts.

In drawing apps, it is common to use ALT + ARROW to make small adjustments, 
like moving objects. Maybe that could be implemented?

In my view, darktable is lacking visual display of focused ui element, I find 
it difficult to use the keyboard at all.

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Re: [darktable-user] Missing preference button

[Anders Lund]

Hello Masud,

If you click the triangle button in the top of the window, it will appear 
along with a few more things. A small gear button in the top of the middle 
pane.

Kindly,
Anders

mandag den 22. januar 2018 12.37.18 CET skrev Masud:
> Hi,
> I am relatively new to darktable. My version is 2.4.0 and my os is high
> sierra 10.13.2. I cannot see the preference button for darktable. I attach
> a screenshot for convenience. Could someone kindly help me with this issue?
> 
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> Masud
> 
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