Re: [darktable-user] I think I need a graphics card

2020-10-01 Thread Germano Massullo
AMD RX480 + Fedora user here.
I am using the GPU with amdgpu (open) drivers for everything.
When I have to use darktable, I use the proprietary amdgpu-pro OpenCL
drivers. In order to prepare the environment, you have to download the
amdgpu-pro drivers from AMD website
Unpack the tar.xz file in a folder let's call it
/home/user/unpacked
After that, there will be a folder
/home/user/unpacked/amdgpu-pro
that contains subfolders
amdgpu-pro-install  repodata  RPMS  SRPMS
go in RPMS and take all RPM files that are in subfolder
/home/user/unpacked/amdgpu-pro/x86_64
and put them together someelsewhere, for example
/home/user/amd_opencl
then unpack them all.
You will get
/home/user/amd_opencl/etc/
/home/user/amd_opencl/lib/
/home/user/amd_opencl/opt/
/home/user/amd_opencl/usr/

Then to run darktable
OPENCL_VENDOR_PATH=/home/user/amd_opencl/etc/OpenCL/vendors/
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/user/amd_opencl/opt/amdgpu-pro/lib64/ darktable



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Re: [darktable-user] I think I need a graphics card

2020-09-30 Thread Guillermo Rozas
Hi Pindakoe,


> * Is there any value in attempting to get Intel's NEO OpenCL to work or is
>   the expected improvement too little to be relevant -- Phoronix does
>   report 15-25% performance increase vs Beignet and that would be welcome
>   (and as Intel open source)
>

There is some value, the NEO OpenCL is better than no OpenCL at all. Also,
if you later buy a discrete GPU, darktable can use both for different
tasks. However, the Intel integrated chip is no match to a proper AMD or
NVidia card.

* AMD or NVIDIA -- esp. in view of constraints 3. and 4
>

No idea about the current status of AMD or Fedora. I can only say that the
proprietary NVidia drivers have been working flawlessly for me on Ubuntu
for several years.

* RAM for the card -- 4 Gb enough for the images I take (42 Mpix)
>

Check the RAM memory used by darktable during an export, that should give
you an idea of how much memory it needs. 4GB sounds OK to borderline, if
you get a good price on 6GB go for it.


> * What performance level in AMD's or NVIDIA's current range should I
>   consider to have a meaningful acceleration of the GPU? For reference: my
>   system currently completes the benchmark pictures of Phoronix in 36/18/15
>   seconds (Boat, Masskrug, Serverroom).
>

To give you a reference: on my laptop the i7-4720 takes 30-32s for the
Boat, the NVidia 960M takes 8-9s. Your CPU seems to be slightly slower than
mine, but your proposed GPUs are much faster than mine. I would say you'll
get at least a 5X increase in speed with any current middle range GPU.

But, as Michael said, there is a point at which a much better GPU won't
give you any advantage. Some of the modules in darktable are CPU-only, and
your CPU will eventually be the bottleneck.

Regards,
Guillermo


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Re: [darktable-user] I think I need a graphics card

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 18:35:42 +0200
Patrick Rudin  wrote:

> 
> If you go with nvidia, maybe you should wait a few weeks until the new
> 3070 is available. First benchmarks of the 3080/3090 (rendering in
> blender) look promising,..
> 
With an i3-8100 CPU I doubt he will notice any difference between a
GTX-1660 and a GTX-3070 since the CPU is the limiting factor.

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Re: [darktable-user] I think I need a graphics card

2020-09-30 Thread Patrick Rudin
Pindakoe  wrote:
>  200 € max -- translates to NVIDIA GTX1650 Super 

If you go with nvidia, maybe you should wait a few weeks until the new
3070 is available. First benchmarks of the 3080/3090 (rendering in
blender) look promising,..

regards

Patrick

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[darktable-user] I think I need a graphics card

2020-09-30 Thread Pindakoe
Following a major camera upgrade to a camera with 42 Mpix I have started to
run into response-time issues with DT, originally on 2.6.2 but also on
3.2.1. This is both in light table (scrolling, moving from image to image,
exporting) and in darkroom mode. Not unexpected given the modest hardware
(i3-8100, 8 Gb RAM). I do have images and OS (Fedora 32) on a fast SSD.

I have googled this forum and beyond but am not much wiser on what makes
sense, so would appreciate advise on what to consider to buy, given the
following constraints:

* a new graphics card would be for DT only; no other software needs it or
  would greatly benefit from it
* 200 € max -- translates to NVIDIA GTX1650 Super / GTX1660 or AMD's
  RX570/580 series cards
* convenience over last gram of performance -- my time is too precious to
  have patience for solutions which break at every minor or major kernel
  upgrade
* Fedora -- not necessarily better than any other distro, but simply
  what I have been using for the last 9 years
* My editing is mostly simple, i.e. demosaic, white balance, exposure,
  profiled denoise, tone adjustments with the occasional parametric or
  mask limits on these operators

Questions:

* Is there any value in attempting to get Intel's NEO OpenCL to work or is
  the expected improvement too little to be relevant -- Phoronix does
  report 15-25% performance increase vs Beignet and that would be welcome
  (and as Intel open source)
* AMD or NVIDIA -- esp. in view of constraints 3. and 4
* RAM for the card -- 4 Gb enough for the images I take (42 Mpix)
* What performance level in AMD's or NVIDIA's current range should I
  consider to have a meaningful acceleration of the GPU? For reference: my
  system currently completes the benchmark pictures of Phoronix in 36/18/15
  seconds (Boat, Masskrug, Serverroom).

Thanks for your advise!

Pindakoe

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