Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
Maybe it is better to write it off to inexperienced foriegners. They come from places where motorbikes do not have such nice paths. They were tired and did not see the signs to the correct sidewalk. delib On Tue, 31 Jul 2018, at 19:48, Yao Wei wrote: > It's probably our fault that we didn't make clear signs in English that > people shouldn't walk there. > > The malicious people on the social network says they consider making a > bowling strike if we do that again. Should I forward that we have no bad > intention and tell them to leave the social network instead?
Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
Yao Wei writes: > It's probably our fault that we didn't make clear signs in English that > people shouldn't walk there. As one of the people that walked there previously (carefully, and on the side), it was pretty clear to me that it wasn't really allowed. I didn't know it would annoy people, and I stopped now. So, not really your fault. It would be have been useful to explain pedestrian customs (apparently walking on the side of busy roads dodging motorcycles is normal), but it's impossible to know all of the things that we each think of as normal, but are surprising to other people. > The malicious people on the social network says they consider making a > bowling strike if we do that again. Should I forward that we have no bad > intention and tell them to leave the social network instead? There's probably no benefit to engaging with such people, unless you are trying to make facebook less toxic, which is too big of a challenge for me (maybe start with something easier like eradicating war and hunger ;)).
Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
It's probably our fault that we didn't make clear signs in English that people shouldn't walk there. The malicious people on the social network says they consider making a bowling strike if we do that again. Should I forward that we have no bad intention and tell them to leave the social network instead? On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 01:10 Ian Jackson wrote: > It's unfortunate that the environment is dominated by motor vehicles > and that unassisted humans are expected to make detours. >
Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
If I may as well, some of the attendees leave in a country where this site is
blocked and therefore the chances they have an account is low.
On Aug 1, 2018 12:47 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Yao Wei writes ("PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot"):
> https://www.facebook.com/CowBeiNCTU/photos/
> a.621907637930187.1073741828.557872311000387/1725133907607549/?type=3
I visited this url and got a facebook login page. Needless to say I
don't have a facebook account.
If you provide a different link, please be sure that it is a link to
an image file, rather than a link to a collection of programs for me
to download and run on my computer.
Ian.
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8/1 DayTrip Culture Tour B meet up location is at bus stop in front of campus main gate, right side
Hi all, Please remember that we meet up at bus stop in front of campus main gate, right side. The street view URL is listed below Daxue Road https://goo.gl/maps/dLZ2wh821hP2
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
On 07/31/2018 09:27 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> It's not incorrect, it's the ruling of the highest European court: > > I believe we are in Asia right now. Yes, and even in Asia they have sane laws to protect workers against exploitation: > https://mashable.com/2017/04/13/uber-taiwan-returns > https://www.bbc.com/news/business-38928028 Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > It's not incorrect, it's the ruling of the highest European court: I believe we are in Asia right now. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
On 07/30/2018 09:48 AM, Andrej Shadura wrote: >> You have more a problem with the fact that UBER uses proprietary software >> than the fact that they are exploiting their workers through by declaring >> them as "contractors" through the help of loopholes in the law? [1, 2] > > That is incorrect, since the drivers issue their own invoices to the > passengers, they decide when and how much they want to drive, and they > enjoy freedoms not usually available to employees, like working any > number of hours they like or having as many rides as they want. I do > agree Uber might provide them some benefits usually available to > employees only, but that is a different issue. > In case of Uber, Uber doesn’t control what and how needs to be done, > it’s the driver who does, which makes them rightfully contractors, not > employees. It's not incorrect, it's the ruling of the highest European court: > https://www.ft.com/content/7f280664-e565-11e7-97e2-916d4fbac0da Quoting: The final ruling from the Luxembourg-based judges, which cannot be appealed against, found that despite Uber’s reliance on technology, the company was “more than an intermediation service” for people trying to hail a cab. The ruling found Uber “must be classified as a ‘service in the field of transport’ within the meaning of EU law”, giving national capitals the ability to regulate it as any other minicab or taxi business, excluding it from looser rules that govern the bloc’s digital economy. And before you say, this doesn't counter your argument, yes it does. It's pretty much the main point that was discussed in court here: Whether Uber is just providing the service to bring customers and drivers together or whether they are a taxi business subject to the usual regulation. You know, both legislators and authorities aren't stupid. They know that if something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it most likely is a duck. Customers contract Uber which then tell drivers where to collect those customers and bring them to their destination. The money is collected by Uber and the drivers don't have any saying over the pricing. If Uber drivers were 100% independent contractors - as you claim - they would be able to set their prices and Uber wouldn't collect the money themselves, the driver would. Misclassification of employees as independent contractors is always measured using multiple requirements. And it's enough that just some of the requirements are met, e.g. in this case the inability to set their own prices. The trick that Uber is pulling here isn't new at all. Lots of companies have tried to use the contractor construction in the past and they always failed. So it's really pointless to keep up this argument, especially after the court ruling. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
David Prévot writes ("Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking
lot"):
> The initial message (the one you replied to) has the relevant picture as
> an attachment. Did you miss that?
Yes, thanks. Sorry for missing that.
Hrm.
It's unfortunate that the environment is dominated by motor vehicles
and that unassisted humans are expected to make detours.
Ian.
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Re: English-speaking taxi number?
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: English-speaking taxi number?"):
> Read paragraph 67 of the ET judgement if you want to see what the
> Tribunal thought of some of Uber's claims. I particularly like;
Oh, and para 87:
87 In the first place, we have been struck by the remarkable lengths
to which Uber has gone in order to compel agreement with its
(perhaps we should say its laywers') description of itself and its
analysis of the legal relationships between the two companies, the
drivers, and the passengers.
Any organisation (a) running an enterprise at the heart of which is
the function of carring people in motor cars from where they are to
where they want to be and (b) operating in part through a company
discharging the regulated responsibilities of a PHV [Private Hire
Vehicle] operator, but (c) requiring drivers and passengers to
agree, _as a matter of contract, that it does not provide
transportation services (through UBV or ULL [two Uber companies]),
and (d) resorting in its documentation to fictions^36, twisted
language^37, and even brand new terminology,^38 merits, we think, a
degree of scepticism.
Reflecting on the Respondents' [Uber's] general case, and on the
grimly loyal evidence of Ms Bertram [Uber's Regional General
Manager] in particular, we cannot help being reminded of Queen
Gertrude's most celebrated line:
The lady doth protest too much, methings.^39
Copy typed; extra paragraph breaks and [] notes mine; _emphasis_ in
the original, ^footnotes can be found in the original.
If you like reading a good rant, paras 87 to 97, starting successively
"in the first place", "second", "third", and so on to "eleventh"
are good reading.
Ian.
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Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
Hi, Le 01/08/2018 à 00:46, Ian Jackson a écrit : > If you provide a different link, please be sure that it is a link to > an image file, rather than a link to a collection of programs for me > to download and run on my computer. The initial message (the one you replied to) has the relevant picture as an attachment. Did you miss that? Regards David (not subscribed to any “social stuff”). P.-S.: I’ve been told the “social stuff” got amusing replies. They may not be accessible to English-only reader anyway. Cheers again. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
Yao Wei writes ("PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot"):
> https://www.facebook.com/CowBeiNCTU/photos/
> a.621907637930187.1073741828.557872311000387/1725133907607549/?type=3
I visited this url and got a facebook login page. Needless to say I
don't have a facebook account.
If you provide a different link, please be sure that it is a link to
an image file, rather than a link to a collection of programs for me
to download and run on my computer.
Ian.
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Re: English-speaking taxi number?
Andrej Shadura writes ("Re: English-speaking taxi number?"):
> Uber has many (and in the past had even more) different issues (e.g.
> company culture and their attitude towards certain issues), but fake
> contractorship is not one of them.
This is simply false, at leaast as far as English law is concerned.
Why do you say things like this that are so easily contradicted from
completely authoritative sources ?
The original Employmennt Tribunal juudgement (upheld by the courts
above) can be found here:
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/Misc/2016/B68.html
(click on "REASONS FOR THE RESERVED JUDGMENT")
If that is too dense for you,
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/10/uber-loses-appeal-employment-rights-workers
Read paragraph 67 of the ET judgement if you want to see what the
Tribunal thought of some of Uber's claims. I particularly like;
| To our considerable surprise, Ms Bertram attempted before us to
| dismiss this as a typographical error
(para 69) and
| ... our scepticism is not diminished when we are reminded of the
| many things said and written in the name of Uber in unguarded
| moments ... We are not at all persuaded ...b
(para 88) etc.
Uber have also had their licence revoked by Transport for London, for
entirely unrelated misdeeds including deliberate subversion of
regulatory oversight. These licence revocations do not take effect
immediately; they are subject to appeal. Uber's legal tactic in the
appeal is to say that Tfl were *right* to revoke the licence but that
that was in the past and Uber is much better now. Really.
Also, frankly, if you agree that Uber e vile, defending them on some
technical point like this is very dubious, even if you were right,
which you are plainly not.
Ian.
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Re: Daytrip D(biking) plan
Hi Shengjing, +Shanker Wang (Miao Wang) and I will NOT meet at hall before noisy hacklab with you. We will try to find you directly at Hsinchu train station. Thanks! Best regards, Jason Lau On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:36 PM Shengjing Zhu wrote: > > Hi, > > This is for the attendees of Daytrip D, we're going to ride near the > coast. > > > == To the coast == > > We need to gather at hall before noise hacklab at 9:00am, > Then take public bus to the Hsinchu train station, > Then take another public bus to the coast. > > Every bus takes 15 NTD, and it needs to be paid in cash or EasyCard. > > The public bus details are at > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/DayTrip/D > > == At coast == > > We can rent bike in the shops there, there are various kind of bikes, > including mountain bike, tour bike... > > Every bike cost ~200 NTD > > == Lunch == > > There are restaurants near the scenic. But I'm quite unsure about > vegetarian. > > == Reimbursement == > > I'm not experienced at these things.. > > Our sponsors will reimburse some fees. > > These includes lunch, bike renting. But we need to take back receipts > with VAT ID of NCTU. And we need to share the money averagely. > > *Note*: to get the reimbursement, we also need to take a group photo > during trip. > > == Back == > > After return your bikes, you need to take public bus back to campus. > Don't forget the time :) > > == Q == > > * Want to ride from the campus to coast? > > That's ok, but you need to rent bike yourself and it may not be > reimbursed because it will be more expensive. > > My phone is +886 0966680848, or just reply via email, when you have any > questions. > > -- > Best regards, > Shengjing Zhu
Re: C location (Re: DebConf Announcements for 2018-07-29)
- Mensagem original - > De: "Paulo Henrique" > Para: "debconf-discuss" > Enviadas: Terça-feira, 31 de julho de 2018 17:42:40 > Assunto: Re: C location (Re: DebConf Announcements for 2018-07-29) > Hi, > > Yesterday was my C Party :-) It was my first C Party. -- Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls) Curitiba - Brasil Membro da Comunidade Curitiba Livre Site: http://www.phls.com.br GNU/Linux user: 228719 GPG ID: 0443C450 Apoie a campanha pela igualdade de gênero #HeForShe (#ElesPorElas) http://www.heforshe.org/pt
Re: Debia Derivatives BoF
On 07/31/2018 03:53 PM, Raju Devidas wrote: > Please let us know if you are here with a distribution which is not > listed above. Hi, I am here with Deepin [1]. Would like to join the BoF and discuss with you guys. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Deepin -- Regards, Felix Yan
Debia Derivatives BoF
Hello everyone, During a chat between me and a few devs of Meilix [1] OS Devs. We had this idea that we should have a Debian Derivatives BoF Session. I think this could be done and it would be great session for each of the derivatives. As far as I know, there are quite a few people from multiple derivatives present in DebConf. And it would be a great opportunity for each of them to share/collaborate/discuss the issues and opportunities. Also as part of the Debian derivatives team, it will also give some of us an opportunity to discuss on how Debian and derivatives collaborate with each other more inclusively. From my Interactions with the various distribution teams. I am making a list here of the distributions which are present in DebConf at the moment. 1. PureOS 2. Hamara Linux 3. Tails 4. QubesOS 5. GRML 6. Meilix OS 7. AIMS Desktop There may be more people from more distributions which are not in the list. This list is just what I made from my interactions with people during DebCamp and DebConf. Please let us know if you are here with a distribution which is not listed above. We will decide up on a time and place for the BoF and will announce and co-ordinate about it on this thread. Do let us know about your ideas and Suggestions regarding the BoF, either on this thread or find me at DebConf venue. [1] http://meilix.fossasia.org/ Thanks, Raju Devidas Debian Derivtives Team signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
