Re: regards to the dc24 local team which couldnt be
hi, (for documentation purposes only) On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 08:13:54AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > I'd like to propose to take a group photo to send to the DebConf24 local team > in Israel > and would suggest to meet for this tomorrow, Friday, August 2nd at 14:00 > localtime > in front of the Mirae building where we met for the dc24 group photo the > other day. obviously this didn't work out on the tenth day of a fantastic debcamp/debconf fortnite... so, to convey our thanks, thoughts & appreciations I "hijacked" the dc26 session on the last day: (and only now finally send this email to announce this to those lovely locals who might have missed this!) mpv --start=35:25 https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2024/DebConf24/debconf24-225-debconf-26-in-your-city.av1.webm > Also, I'd like to remind to please be respectful. This is ment as a nice gift > / message > to fellow Debian contributors who offered to host us and then couldn't, > because of > things which are out of their control. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ figures don't lie, but liars figure. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bathhouse #3?
On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 02:19:34PM +0900, Clément Hermann wrote: > I can confirm that, and that no one seemed to care about about my own tatoo. > (even though it's so small it might be mistaken for a skin disease ;) ) there was a korean guy with several large tattoos too -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ "I became an antifascist out of a sense of common decency.” – Marlene Dietrich signature.asc Description: PGP signature
regards to the dc24 local team which couldnt be
hi, I'd like to propose to take a group photo to send to the DebConf24 local team in Israel and would suggest to meet for this tomorrow, Friday, August 2nd at 14:00 localtime in front of the Mirae building where we met for the dc24 group photo the other day. If you think this is a good idea, please be there and become part of the photo. Also, I'd like to remind to please be respectful. This is ment as a nice gift / message to fellow Debian contributors who offered to host us and then couldn't, because of things which are out of their control. That's all. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ “It's easy to be a naive idealist. It's easy to be a cynical realist. It's quite another thing to have no illusions and still hold the inner flame.” (Marie-Louise von Franz) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Breakfast on day trip day
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 02:10:12PM +0900, Sruthi Chandran wrote: > Jongmin updated on the IRC that breakfast will be 07.00-08.00. I plan to go on the daytrip but I've heard others not going wondering if there will be breakfast later too, for those not going? -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ "In just 6 decades, roughly the life span of a blue whale, humans took blue whale population down from 360,000 to just 1,000. In one century, whalers killed two million baleen whales, which together weighed twice as much as all wild mammals on Earth today." https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/whaling-whales-food-krill-iron/620604/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: GPG Workshop during DebCamp
On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 11:40:26AM -0300, Jose-Luis Rivas wrote: > Maybe Sequoia could make a good landing page about these differences? I > am not that bad about googling and I couldn't figure it out by myself > when you mentioned it before :) there's https://wiki.debian.org/OpenPGP/Sequoia but it's not yet what I would like it to be. plus there's obviously also upstream documentation from the Sequoia project, but that's not my department. ;) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ It ain't no revolution, just because you can dance to it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf24 Daily Announcements - 2024.07.26
hey Gunnar, On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 05:33:02AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > We discussed the issue at the daily meeting, not only thinking about > us that have already seen our best years and are old and brittle, but > also about the newer genration that is willing to climb mountains > before breakfast and would be frustrated at sitting down on a bus trip > for the whole day. :)) :thumbsup:! > Thingis, we don't have the information, and the tour operator cannot > be reached for clarification on weekends. And... Yes, we have the > deadline to register by tomorrow evening. Which is quite challenging, > as some people will still be on their way towards Korea and it would > be unfair to deny them a daytrip or shut them out. > > We acknowledge the description is incomplete. But that's what we have > from our provider. We will request some flexibility; the fact we have > to choose a daytrip option by tomorrow is unfortunate, and I hope they > acknowledge the need to allow some people to register that haven't > done so, or to change their options. thanks for this information, much appreciated, even as unclear as it remains! :) *hugs back* -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ If you're opposed to gay marriage, you can simply say "no" if a gay person proposes to you. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf24 Daily Announcements - 2024.07.26
On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 05:51:05PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 08:55:10AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > === Day Trip sign-up === > > > > Since this year's conference day trip options require payment in advance, we > > are handling signup and payment via the registration system. You can see > > the > > day trip options at https://debconf24.debconf.org/daytrip/ > > You will need to pay for these day trip options, by credit card (preferred) > > or > > at the front desk. It will be possible to sign up and pay until Sunday > > evening. > > I've looked at https://debconf24.debconf.org/daytrip/ now and could not tell > at all how much physical abilities are needed to participate in any of those > day trips. > > Can you give any / some rought estimate how much walking, hiking, sitting in > a bus, > etc / some such is involved for each of those? > > I hate to say it on a publically archived mailing list, but I'm not 21 anymore > and I might not be able to walk as much as I could when I was 0x29 or some > such. > > (And sadly I'm not at all joking or trolling. I wish I was. Please think of > the elderly > and other less abled people. Sometimes limitations are not visible easily.) > > & many thanks for organizing those day trips in the first place! ping? (I could also ping & find out in person but I suppose there are more people not fully body-enabled at this event.) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ “The unfolding climate crisis and extreme weather events will undermine agricultural output and tourism, while geopolitical instability will continue to adversely impact several subregions…especially the Sahel and North Africa” (UN World Economic Situation and Prospects 2024) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf24 Daily Announcements - 2024.07.26
On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 08:55:10AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > === Day Trip sign-up === > > Since this year's conference day trip options require payment in advance, we > are handling signup and payment via the registration system. You can see the > day trip options at https://debconf24.debconf.org/daytrip/ > You will need to pay for these day trip options, by credit card (preferred) or > at the front desk. It will be possible to sign up and pay until Sunday > evening. I've looked at https://debconf24.debconf.org/daytrip/ now and could not tell at all how much physical abilities are needed to participate in any of those day trips. Can you give any / some rought estimate how much walking, hiking, sitting in a bus, etc / some such is involved for each of those? I hate to say it on a publically archived mailing list, but I'm not 21 anymore and I might not be able to walk as much as I could when I was 0x29 or some such. (And sadly I'm not at all joking or trolling. I wish I was. Please think of the elderly and other less abled people. Sometimes limitations are not visible easily.) & many thanks for organizing those day trips in the first place! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ In a world where you can be anything, be kind. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: GPG Workshop during DebCamp
On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 06:39:17AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > On the contrary, I believe forking when you disagree with something is > at the very heart of the free software spirit. forking tools is one thing, but forking standards is something entirely different. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ Be careful when you follow the masses. Sometimes the "m" is silent. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Swimming
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 06:28:28PM +0900, Changwoo Ryu wrote: > The beach is not closed, just swimming is banned another time. This is > for safety, because their life guards are at work only during 9am-6pm. > > It is known that somones often patrol the beach and yell at the people > who try to swim. You might not see them if you are lucky. obviously I cannot speak from real experience but in the maybe 2-3 hours I've been at this beach tonight I've seen a police boat patroling the shore *twice* (while being as close as 50m away from the beach *at most*) and several groups of patrols making sure noone is swimming. So I plan to go swiming there tomorrow morning at 9am, but who knows what jetlag has for me. ;) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ In a world where you can be anything, be kind. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Photo matters for Kochi
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 07:02:31PM +0530, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > As an additional photo event, celebrating the fact that, after lng and > dry 17 years, we finally have another venue with a pool, [...] you clearly missed or forgot about DebConf12! :) Also, 13 had a lake near by. and, ok, I agree the pool at DebConf19 didn't and doesn't count. > (And if you do not wish to appear on the published photos from the > conference, please let me know in person, so I can take a picture of you, > so that I have a reference to check when reviewing photos) while I understand your intentions, I don't think this approach works for everyone who (rightfully!) does not want to be photographed. (sadly I'm also not sure what could work for those folks *and* you.) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ "... the premise [is] that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect." (Bruce Schneier) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebCamp activities
On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 07:31:26PM +0200, Enkelena Haxhiu wrote: > During DebCamp we may have people not involved in Debian who want to attend > and get to know the community. [...] > Ideas how to implement such a thing are very welcome. for the Debian events in Hamburg Gregor proposed and organized daily standup meetings at a *regular* time (15:00 localtime) where everyone (who wanted) very briefly (in 15s-60s usually) said their name and what they were working on or where they needed help or wanted to give help... those were really cool and I expect this would also work well for DebCamps. :) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ We need to learn to live with cholera. What is the alternative? Breaking up all streets, building drainage with toilets in every building? (@tadeas_) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
outdoor hacklab and onsite accomodation room details
hi, thanks to everyone making DebConf22 happen. I look forward to it a lot! However given... corona... I'm wondering, how much of debconf22 can take place outside? ie will there be an outdoor hacklab, with a roof and electricity (& wireless)? will there be opportunities to take the food outside to eat there? Also, for those staying on site: when will we learn about with whom one will share a bedroom? (again, because... corona.) Thanks. EnkelenaH already replied to the first question on irc: "we have an outdoor hacklab, not too big but enough I think. WiFi and roof, close to the noisy hacklab building - so beer too :) and from 18th another place with a roof near the main building". -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ Die Faktenlage bzgl. Klimakatastrophe ist so eindeutig und die Folgen sind so schwerwiegend, dass Parteien und Organisationen, die immer noch wirksame Maß- nahmen dagegen behindern, als verbrecherisch einzustufen sind. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Debian Reunion Hamburg 2022 from May 23 to 30
hi, as last year there will be a Debian Reunion Hamburg 2022 event taking place at the same location as previous years, from May 23rd until the 30th. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2021/DebianReunionHamburg for much more information! This is just a preliminary announcement to get the word out, that this event will happen, so you can ponder attending. Some fine folks have even already registered! A few things still need to be sorted out, eg a call for papers and a call for sponsors. If you want to help with that or have questions about the event, please reach out via #debconf-hamburg on irc.oftc.net or via the debconf-hamburg mailinglist, see https://lists.debian.org/debconf-mini-hamburg/ I'm very much looking forward to meet some of you again soon and getting to know some others for the first time! Yay. It's been a long time... -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ "All opinions are not equal. Some are a great deal more robust, sophicated and logical than others." - DouglasAdams signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Debian Reunion Hamburg 2021, we still have free beds
hi, We still have some free slots and beds available for the "Debian Reunion Hamburg 2021" taking place in Hamburg at the venue of the 2018 & 2019 MiniDebConfs from Monday, Sep 27 2021 until Friday Oct 1 2021, with Sunday, Sep 26 2021 as arrival day. So again, Debian people will meet in Hamburg. The exact format is less defined and structured than previous years, probably we will just be hacking from Monday to Wednesday, maybe have some talks on Thursday and a nice day trip on Friday. Please read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2021/DebianReunionHamburg if you intend to attend, please register there. If additionally you would like to stay on site (in a single room or shared with one another person), please mail me. I'm looking forward to this event, even though (or maybe also because) it will be much smaller than last years. I suppose this will lead to more personal interactions and more intense hacking, though of course it is to be seen how this works out exactly! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ Bottled water companies don't produce water, they produce plastic bottles. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dc21 group photo
On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 03:02:56PM +0200, Tobias Frost wrote: > thanks for making this happen! It's ... awesome! indeed, great online group pic! It feels like I've been there for real... :) thank you, urbec! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ If you liked Corona, you will really enjoy the upcoming global climate disaster. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dc21 group photo
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 04:58:13PM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > > I'm simply waiting for the building crane moving away from our castle to > > have a nice view on my DebConf T-Shirts as well as that the rain will > > stop. also please remember that DebConf21 ended on Saturday and that quite some people are waiting for the group photo ever since... or IOW, is the crane still there? :) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ https://showyourstripes.info signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dc21 group photo
hi Andreas, On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 08:08:49AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > thanks a lot for your effort. What is the deadline for photo submission. > I have a plan for some photo of me (and my vietnamese daughters) which > can not be realised before Monday, may be Tuesday, evening. AIUI the deadline is today in the (european) evening as this is when DebConf21 ends. urbec might further clarify. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ We can send billionaires to space but not kids to fully funded public schools. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf20 registration is now open (with caveats)
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:51:09PM +0200, Giovanni Mascellani wrote: > Freedom is a right, but has to be used responsibly. The virus is still > out there, people are still going to the hospital and to the cemetery > because of it. We still lack proper treatments and vaccines, and as far > as I know there are no strong results on acquired immunity yet. So, as > soon as we resume exposing people to each other as before, numbers will > start to grow again. A few places already had to reinstate confinement > rules after removing them, because they realized that the spread was > restarting as before. > > I believe that it is good to allow some mobility, so that people can at > least meet their families and close friends. It is a risk, but one that > in some sense we need to take, in order to avoid other worse > psychological damages. But meetings should remain as small as possible, > and as geographically confined as possible. Organizing conferences with > hundreds of people coming from all over the world is, in my opinion, > irresponsible: you give the virus the best conditions to spread as much > as possible, stirring different strains and defeating the acquired > immunity different world regions might develop. Totally a bad idea, if > you ask me, even if legally possible. > > I am sorry for the organizing team, who for sure has poured a lot of > energy and dedication into DebConf20. They deserve all our gratitude and > they have all mine. I know it is disappointing to see their efforts > wasted, but in the current situation I don't think it is responsible to > physically meet from all over the world. It's not just about the risk > each individual attendee would accept to take: it's the risk our whole > communities take (particularly the vulnerable ones, from the health > viewpoint) when individuals allow the virus to spread. > > I hope that Debian does not organize any non-local physical meeting this > year, although I am sad this has to happen. +1 on everything, well said. Sadly we should not let people organize a conference in our name, with our funds, using our ressources at this time. For those not following -vote@l.d.o: also see https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20200522124055.ga255...@ftbfs.de -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf20 registration is now open (with caveats)
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:00:37AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I believe it's important to get those numbers somehow. Now, the > registration interface does not provide for anything like that - we > were preparing a survey in the last couple of days to get a better > look at said numbers, and we should be sending it out to everybody > soon; it will be important in the decision process. I believe the poll being prepared misses a "we're in a global pandemic, please cancel this event" option. I also believe organizing DebConf as an in person event in August 2020 is endangering the participants *and* others, and if GRs were not such a pain (and a big hammer) I were pondering to have one for not organizing this in Debian's name. I'm sorry but this is how I see things currently. -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Announcing the elephant in the room BOF
On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 04:09:23PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > This is a useful reminder that as we try to improve remote > participation, that is distinct from recording/public streaming and we > should design our systems to allow remote connection to unpublished > meetings as well as the default streamed/published meetings. if something is streamed, it can be recorded. been there done that. apt install obs-studio is a good start if you want to try yourself, eg for 'undownloadable' videos from netflix or jitsu or foo bar. also, if something is streamed over the internet, it also will also be always recorded. remember this snowden dude? > Sometimes they get conflated (although less in debian than other > organisations). i'm a bit sad that those two simple statements above are mostly not understood in the Debian community as well. -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Retiring from DebConf organisation
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 04:11:37PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > Jonathan> Thank you so much for all the contributions. Your coverage > Jonathan> of the events at DebConf has been excellent and helpful to > Jonathan> so many people. I hope that someone can pick it up and > Jonathan> continue the work with the high standards that you have > Jonathan> established. > I'd like to second this. /me very much so too. Jonathan put it very well in words - thank you very much, Laura! -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: uploading keys where to?
Hi Daniel, On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 04:57:14PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On Mon 2019-07-29 20:30:08 +0000, Holger Levsen wrote: > > what's the current best practise for uploading (ones own) keys? > For what purpose? sharing signatures of my gpg pub key, sorry for for not stating this in the first place. and many thanks for your elaborate summary and usable advice! that was exactly what I was hoping for, probably more than that! :) -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
uploading keys where to?
hi, what's the current best practise for uploading (ones own) keys? -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 05:59:20PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > please dont post html mails to this list. thank you. -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: 90sec video about Reproducible Builds, Pizza & Lego
Hi Chris, On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 04:11:26PM -0300, Chris Lamb wrote: > > German and English subtitles. (those also attached :) > Is there a canonical location for these subtitles? (If not, could you > create one?) I ask because I would like to submit some small improvements > to the English one... I've added them to this repo (and fixed one spelling though I remember another issue but couldnt see it now..) git clone g...@salsa.debian.org:reproducible-builds/reproducible-promo-material Thanks for your improvements already! :) -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
moar stickers
hi, this is just a public service annnouncement that there are now - free software, fuck yeah! - Debian LTS - Reproducible Builds stickers available at Frontdesk \o/ -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
90sec video about Reproducible Builds, Pizza & Lego
hi, the 90sec video about Reproducible Builds, which we showed in our talk and which features Pizza and Legos is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSxm2DbDHG8 with German and English subtitles. (those also attached :) I'd appreciate translations to Portuguese and Spanish! ;) -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C 1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,200 I'm Holger Levsen 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,700 and since 5 years I've been working on Reproducible Builds 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:15,100 where we aim to create a more secure delivery chain for software productions. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,100 Our aim is, that one can be sure 5 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:22,400 that the tools built 6 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:26,300 don't contain any backdoors, that they all do the same. 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,500 In the past 8 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:33,900 'reproducible' or 'reproducible programms' ment 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,400 'I built a program twice 10 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:38,800 und I twice get a program which does the same things.' 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,900 For us, it means 'bit by bit identical' 12 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:43,000 as in I build a program twice 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,100 and as a result I have twice an identical pile of bits, 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,900 which is 100% the same. 15 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:54,800 I've got two pizzas here, made by machines, 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,000 but they are different because 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,000 the ingredients, food, simply is organic, thus different. 18 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:03,100 While these two bags of lego 19 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:08,200 let you build two times a 100% identical result. 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,200 This lego is not fully identical... 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,500 the proof has been made 22 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:23,200 I'm not a machine. 1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,200 Ich bin Holger Levsen 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,700 und seit 5 Jahren arbeite ich an Reproducible Builds, 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:15,100 wo wir die Lieferkette für Software Produktionen sicherer machen wollen. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,100 Das soll dazu dienen, daß mensch dann sicher sein kann, 5 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:22,400 daß die Werkzeuge, die das baut, 6 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:26,300 daß da keine Hintertüren eingebaut sind, daß die alle dasselbe machen. 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,500 Früher war's so 8 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:33,900 "reproduzierbar" oder "reproduzierbare Programme" heißt 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,400 "ich bau ein Programm (zweimal) 10 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:38,800 und es kommt zweimal ein Programm raus, das dieselben Dinge tut." 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,900 Bei uns heißt das aber "bit für bit identisch" 12 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:43,000 also ich baue zweimal ein Programm 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,100 und das Ergebnis hat zweimal denselben Bithaufen, 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,900 der sieht 100% identisch aus. 15 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:54,800 Ich hab hier zwei Pizzen, die sind von Maschinen gemacht 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,000 aber sie sind unterschiedlich weil 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,000 die Zutaten, Lebensmittel, sind einfach organisch, sind unterschiedlich. 18 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:03,100 Während hier, zwei Legobeutel... 19 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:08,200 und da lässt sich jetzt einfach zweimal 100% dasselbe raus bauen. 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,200 Dieses Lego ist nicht ganz identisch... 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,500 der Beweis ist erbracht, 22 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:23,200 ich bin keine Maschine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: my fingerprint
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:03:03PM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Let's move further tuning to the wiki: thank you all for your nice enhancements! :) -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C "... the premise [is] that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect." (Bruce Schneier) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
my fingerprint
$ cat bin/my_fingerprint #!/bin/sh echo "B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C" | sm - -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C Dance like no one's watching. Encrypt like everyone is. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Isle of Flowers (Portuguese: Ilha das Flores), a 1989 Brazilian short film by Jorge Furtado
hi, if you dont know "Isle of Flowers" (Portuguese: Ilha das Flores), a 1989 Brazilian short film by Jorge Furtado, I highly recommend watching it, it's quite very awesome and just 13min long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Flowers spoils the plot, so be careful. It was available on youtube last year, but since then has been removed (or maybe just moved?), so for a short time there's a friendly copy available at http://nextcloud.rocketjump.eu/index.php/s/GdJPJozzegMwCfs for you to download and enjoy! So, download now and watch now or later! ;) -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Traveling from Airport to the venue
On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 11:21:17AM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > I'm just saying that you can't do that, because you can't get the > app, apart from (on Android) fiddling with play store country setting > and making sure you don't reach limits for allowed country changes. oh, doh, thanks for clarifying. > The provider decided to DRM the app to Brazil, the entire website > (have not seen the app obviously) is only available in Portuguese; > so I'm just mentioning this so people don't get their hopes up. ouch. then there still are taxis and buses :) -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Traveling from Airport to the venue
On Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 11:22:57PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > JFTR: > Given that 99 is not available outside Brasil (can't be seen or installed > in the play store), there is not _that_ much use talking about it vs uber. Instead of sending your money to the US (with uber) I think it's much more sensible to use local Brasilian services likes 99. Indeed not much to talk about. -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C Dance like no one's watching. Encrypt like everyone is. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Tips/warnings/suggestion for newcomers at DebConf19
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 08:50:58PM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > Hm, just throwing in random stuff, most of it is highly subjective :) wow, nice collection. also: very much matches my experiences and suggestions. maybe also: you are not weird if you don't like mao. and: you are not werid if you like mao. also: you might be weird, no matter what you think about mao. (dont) be a weirdo. -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Security/crime in Curitiba/Brazil
On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 05:00:17PM -0300, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: > When I go to events here in Brazil, and I want leave my laptop alone on > the table, I alwayes use a locker like this: > https://images-submarino.b2w.io/produtos/01/00/sku/26620/4/26620409_1GG.jpg this very much reminds me of https://boingboing.net/2005/05/18/howto-open-laptop-lo.html :) > Its not the "most safer locker on the world", but its better than nothing. true that. -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Security/crime in Curitiba/Brazil
On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 04:36:25PM +0200, Ondrej Novy wrote: > But without kidding: Is there anything we should know about security/crime > in Curitiba and Brazil? Rate of crime (robberies, kidnappings and > homicides) is really high (in compare to for example Europe). Any > recommendations for foreigners? What we should do and what we shouldn't. dont be an idiot. be considerate where and who you are and when. dont show off all your devices everywhere all the time. talk to locals. listen to them. (*) curitiba is a nice town. go biking. I enjoyed the city in 2018 a lot and am really looking forward to come back now, even though for a short time only again. (and short means two weeks :) (*) and with 'talk' and 'listen' I mean these offline activities... -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 04:51:33PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Sure, but that does not *have* to be done during the session, with > the whole audience listening to the discussion, which I guess is the > precise stressing point. http://ericholscher.com/blog/2016/nov/12/questions-at-conferences/ has more good suggestions: --quote begin-- Speaker goes to the front of stage for questions At my own conferences, Write the Docs, we have established the norm of not having full audience questions. After each talk we ask the speaker to come to the front of the stage, and then have a conversation with members of the audience with questions. This achieves a couple beneficial results: People are empowered to ask questions that are more specific to their situation, instead of trying to general them for a larger audience The question asker isn’t given a “stage” to promote their own projects or ideas The speaker isn’t worried about being “called out” in front of the full room Everyone else in the audience is free to do whatever they want [...] Questions are your responsibility As the organizer of an event, the way that you structure the event has a direct impact on people’s experience. Opening the room to questions and not doing any moderation is abdicating your responsibility as an organizer. --quote end-- So yes, good room moderation is pretty important, and giving speakers the explicit note that they dont have to accept questions seems nice indeed. -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: X220 (was: Interested in flashing your X230 with Coreboot?)
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 10:57:06PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > It is a bit more complicated than the X230 because the X220 has only > one 8M ROM chip, while the X230 has 1×8M (which we don't touch - it is > the Intel management engine and other 3v1l stuff) and 1×4M (which we > flash, it is just the BIOS). fwiw, i'm still planning to free my x230 from ME, just havent got around it yet. hopefully by dc19 I know how to do that reliably. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Interested in flashing your X230 with Coreboot?
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 09:13:23AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > i've helped someone to flash coreboot and he later went back to lenovo > bios because he had problems with windows... no idea which version of > windows though and whether this has been fixed by coreboot in the > meantime. FWIW, that was on an x230... > just a data point :) -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Interested in flashing your X230 with Coreboot?
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 09:08:06AM +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > I've got a couple we could flash (well, one is Gunde's, and she might > think otherwise depending on any caveats that might go with it) -- I'll > grab you later... i've helped someone to flash coreboot and he later went back to lenovo bios because he had problems with windows... no idea which version of windows though and whether this has been fixed by coreboot in the meantime. just a data point :) -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > It's not incorrect, it's the ruling of the highest European court: I believe we are in Asia right now. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
wanted: venue for reproducible builds summit 2018
hi, I'm looking for a venue for the next Reproducible Builds summit to take place at the end of this year, probably in the week starting on November 26th or December 3rd 2018. If you are at DebConf18 and know a venue which you think could be matching the following requirements, please talk to me. (Else mail me :) We need: - availability at the above mentioned dates from Tuesday to Thursday, 9am to 6pm - one big room for 30-50 people sitting in a big circle - 4-5 breakout spaces (=small rooms) - the possibility to have an external caterer supply food (or a real good onsite caterer...) - the city should be easily reachable by plane Thank you. Oh, and if you're part of the Reproducible Builds team and those dates don't work for you, please also tell me. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
C&W location (Re: DebConf Announcements for 2018-07-29)
> === Cheese and Wine Party === > > Item collections are still running. Please register all edibles and > liquids on the wiki[1], and bring them to the Cheese Master after > lunch on 2018-07-30 (ping olasd on IRC, or SMS +886902123594, or > Signal +33617014946). > > [1] https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/CheeseWineBoF > > Please sign up as a volunteer for setup[2] and/or teardown. Perks > include strongly smelling of cheese and being able to eat an early > dinner. > > [2] https://debconf18.debconf.org/volunteers/tasks/596/ > [3] https://debconf18.debconf.org/volunteers/tasks/597/ for those wondering: the C&W party will take place at restaurant 2 (aka the lunch & dinner location) and will start at 20:30 sharp. -- cheese, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Minor sewing repairs?
On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:14:52PM +0800, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > Thank you for all the kind offers, I have a kit now and Georges will kindly > do the sewing, so I'm all good. .oO( how many DDs does it need to sew on a button? ) -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
warmer hacklabs (Re: DebCamp Announcements for 2018-07-25)
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > We currently have no plans to augment ES203 (Quiet Hacklab), ES510 > (Another Hacklab) or ES815 (Yet Another Hacklab). can we make those hacklabs warmer than the noisy hacklab? 30 degrees or at least 28 would be, ahem, cool! -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: From Cuba about MiniDebConf Hamburg
Hi Leonel, On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 09:15:11AM -0400, Leonel Salazar wrote: > Thanks for your message... in deed we will analyze your advice about the > dates but you're absolutely right and that's very useful for us since we > don't have much experience planning international events, so maybe we can > plan something during CubaConf 2019 (if possible) too... before or after or during CubaConf 2019 seems much better to me indeed! do you already know when CubaConf 2019 will be? -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: From Cuba about MiniDebConf Hamburg
Hi Leonel, On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 08:08:47AM -0400, Leonel Salazar wrote: > HI there! Thanks for your message, I can imagine you ran out of time > everyday as being in the "orga" team... well, many of us connect to the > internet in our offices, in my case I work in the university and we are > lucky to have a "decent" bandwith (about 10 Mbit/s) but I can use up to 4 > because we need to share, of course... that said I think video's filezise > was good enought for our average bandwith, max filesize was 320 Mb ( > https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2018/miniconf-hamburg/2018-05-19/metrics_based_monitoring.webm) > and we can get all the media (around 3.7 Gb) during one-two days, for me > was about 6 hours since I downloaded during office's time :-D But at night > would take me about 2 hours... summarizing filesize is excellent that way. thanks for your intersting feedback, I'm sure the videoteam will appreciate those infos! > We're planning MiniDebConf for 2019 eventually close to DebConf Curitiba, > so it'll be easier for some of you to traver both the caribean and south > america at once ! :-D nice, but I'm not sure this will actually be helpful as often flights are considerable cheaper if two-way and also often people cannot get holidays long enough to visit both places. But maybe I'm wrong… -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: From Cuba about MiniDebConf Hamburg
Hi Leonel, I haven't got much to say, as I missed Jathan's talk as I was busy with organizing, but as you cc:ed me I thought I reply anyway! ;-) On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 07:30:38PM -0400, Leonel Salazar Videaux wrote: > First of all congratulations for your success during MiniDebConf Hamburg > 2018. thanks! > From Cuba we couldn't stay up-to-date until yesterday and today downloading > some of the recordings and slides... awww. pity! (out of curiosity: is the filesize of the videos also a problem or is that fine/ok once you got internet access?) > In behave of the Cuban Free Technologies Users Group (GUTL in Spanish) and > my local Debian community in Holguín I want to say thank you all for having > Jonathan Bustillos and give him the chance to share a little of our work > trying to help The Debian Project as much as we can. I've seen his talk and > listened your questions, as you know Jonathan is Mexican, not Cuban and he > hasn't all the data needed to answer your questions, so I want to offer > myself for taking your questions about any topic and give you all the > responses needed to clarify and explain to you, no matter if it is privately > or public to discuss using the list. Thank you very much for this! (even if I have no questions now, because… see above ;) > Finally just want to say SORRY for using this channel so late but just now > we were able to get the materials. no need to say/be sorry at all. It's not even been a week! :) > Regards from Cuba. > Hope to see some of you in DebConf someday! yes! and/or do a mini debconf in Cuba? ;-) -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
news from hamburg
moin, the frontdesk phone number is +491578806 the video team will do training sessions today at 1700 localtime and then again tomorrow, at 1700 as well. have fun! -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
shirish, you are writing 100 lines about a subject you dont know, to a person you dont know. Doesnt it cross your mind that this behaviour is - at best - a waste of time? Also: this can be really harmful. Please dont do that. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: MiniDebConf Curitiba 2018: registration open, call for speakers, call for sprints
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:46:56AM -0200, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: > >> https://minidebconf.curitiba.br/en/call-for-proposals/ > > Above link is a 404 error page. > Can you try again? It's working here. that page works, but leads to http://pesquisa.softwarelivre.org/index.php/759534 which doesnt work. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: MiniDebConf Curitiba 2018: registration open, call for speakers, call for sprints
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 02:18:58PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I have no sprint to organize, but I intent to extend my visit to Brazil > several weeks, to meet and collaborate with Debian and Debian-related > communities, on the topic of packaging and (for derivatives) ways to > stay close to Debian a.k.a. being a Debian Blend. > > I would very much appreciate help getting in touch with such communities > - preferably early so that we and I can plan ahead my journey in Brazil. same here! -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: IRC orga meeting for MiniDebConf in Hamburg in May 2018
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 11:02:33PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> #debconf-hamburg
> on Monday, October 27th 2017, at 19 UTC (=20 CET)
November...
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IRC orga meeting for MiniDebConf in Hamburg in May 2018
Hi, so some people said they wanted to help making that MiniDebConf in Hamburg happen, which I'm much looking forward to! :) So here's how to get involved: we will have the 1st orga meeting to plan preparing the Mini DebConf (which will take place from the May 16-20 2018) on IRC on irc.ofct.net in the channel #debconf-hamburg on Monday, October 27th 2017, at 19 UTC (=20 CET) https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2018/MiniDebConfHamburg is the general place for all things orga. Quoting from that very page: Open tasks [ ] agree on levels of sponsorship [ ] send out call for sponsors before December 1st 2017, so companies can account for this in their 2018 budget [ ] add registration to this wikipage [ ] ask for help from publicity team [ ] ask videoteam for help [ ] make cost estimate [ ] form sponsors team [ ] form content team [ ] announcement/CfP on d-d-a [ ] find sponsors [ ] form frontdesk team and location at the venue [ ] logo [ ] tshirts Further (meetings) announcements and discussions about the mini debconf shall take place on debian-events-eu@l.d.o (only), I (currently?) think a dedicated mailinglist is overkill. A summary from the meeting will also be posted to debian-events-eu@l.d.o. And I'll try to come up with an agenda before the meeting. Looking forward to see you on IRC & in May in Hamburg! -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: debconf-discuss moved to lists.debian.org
Hi, On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 08:09:37PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote: > if you received that mail I successfully moved the debconf-discuss list > to lists.debian.org. That means it isn't hosted by mailman anymore, but by > smartmail - please check our docs on how to manage yourself [1]. The > posting address is now debconf-discuss@lists.debian.org and the list is hosted > at https://lists.debian.org/debconf-discuss/. whooohooo, that's awesome! Also very happy to see you moved the archives as well! Thank you! -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
