Calamares in Debian 10
If the rumor is true, Calamares would be used in Debian 10. Previously known as innaccessible, it was a disaster when created, we must stand against it unless the accessibility issues are fixed. -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
Minimal iso is worthless for an accessibility user and you would break the purpose of it by adding accessibility, it's clay to build from with the only bare minimum. Adding the packages later didn't fixed the issue since there's a configuration (dotfiles) that manage accessibility. 2018-03-15 12:16 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org>: > michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 11:47:37 -0400, wrote: >> Skip since you obviously don't understand ... > > Well, if I can't understand, it will be hard for you to get any answer, > so we need to discuss so I can understand. > >> There's no accessibility in the mini iso, I would have used it, > > The mini iso doesn't have any .deb package *at all*, so it just can not > have any impact on what is installed or not in the eventual system. > netinst does include some packages, but no gui package at all, so it > should not make a difference. > > If there *is* a difference (which is not supposed to happen, and thus > there would be a bug to be fixed), then please tell exactly how you > installed with mini.iso and with netinst, so we can reproduce the issue > and fix it, because for all we know it is working, but as soon as you > don't pick up default options, there might be bugs which we have not met > simply because we can not test all possible options combinations. > >> installed gnome-orca and brltty don't add accessibility options. > > Do you mean that after installing with mini.iso, gnome-orca and > brltty were not installed (had you selected the MATE task item in the > installer, or installed MATE afterwards?), and that even with installing > gnome-orca brltty afterwards, there was still no accessibility option > shown in the interface? > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
Skip since you obviously don't understand ... There's no accessibility in the mini iso, I would have used it, installed gnome-orca and brltty don't add accessibility options. Yes I build a distro slowly, I have an interface for colorblinds tested ready to pack but to fix accessibility for real on Linux I have to create a distro in a proper way so I can't simply join Debian team, I will later push my changes however. 2018-03-15 11:17 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org>: > michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 10:53:32 -0400, wrote: >> If you need at all cost to see to under that accessibility isn't on a >> build made from the mini iso : >> >> https://i.imgur.com/VIVjeSl.png > > You mean you installed Debian without using accessibility, and > then you got a system which does not have accessibility enabled? > Well, yes, that is expected. Again, to enable accessibility in the > installed system, see the few commands we run, as documented on > https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
If you need at all cost to see to under that accessibility isn't on a build made from the mini iso : https://i.imgur.com/VIVjeSl.png 2018-03-15 10:46 UTC−04:00, michael caron couturier <spike...@gmail.com>: > Man could you do what was asked ? > > I wanted to know the config not touch the documentation, accessibility > isn't on the mini iso, I installed anyway cause I have to start there, > there's no point to add accessibility to this minimal iso anyway, it > won't fit the purpose but someone building up from it could need to > know how the accessibility stack is build on Debian ... > > 2018-03-15 4:45 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org>: >> michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 03:56:39 -0400, wrote: >>> "Accessibility support is available on all images except the non-gtk >>> mini.iso image." >>> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility >> >> Ok, so the bug was in the documentation, which I have now fixed, thanks >> for the report. >> >> Samuel >> > > > -- > Michaël Caron Couturier > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
Man could you do what was asked ? I wanted to know the config not touch the documentation, accessibility isn't on the mini iso, I installed anyway cause I have to start there, there's no point to add accessibility to this minimal iso anyway, it won't fit the purpose but someone building up from it could need to know how the accessibility stack is build on Debian ... 2018-03-15 4:45 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org>: > michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 03:56:39 -0400, wrote: >> "Accessibility support is available on all images except the non-gtk >> mini.iso image." >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility > > Ok, so the bug was in the documentation, which I have now fixed, thanks > for the report. > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
"Accessibility support is available on all images except the non-gtk mini.iso image." https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility 2018-03-15 3:54 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org>: > michael caron couturier, on mer. 14 mars 2018 22:41:31 -0400, wrote: >> Mini iso don't, > > How so? What doesn't work? If you don't provide details, we can't fix > bugs, because for all that I know, it just works. > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
Mini iso don't, net install include accessibility but I try to build a distro slowly so I start with the bare minimum ... 2018-03-14 20:22 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org>: > michael caron couturier, on mer. 14 mars 2018 20:00:07 -0400, wrote: >> I asked cause mini iso don't include accessibility > > It does include it. Or else it's a bug that shall be reported and > fixed. > > Note however that for speakup support you need to take the gtk mini.iso, > which doesn't have size constraints. > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
I asked cause mini iso don't include accessibility so I need to replicate the usual settings ... 2018-03-14 17:09 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org>: > Hello, > > michael caron couturier, on lun. 12 mars 2018 12:42:04 -0400, wrote: >> I just build up from the minimal iso into a Mate desktop, what are the >> packages and settings done for accessibility on Debian, do you mod >> some to improve accessibility and how ? > > There aren't realy tweaks, only making sure that accessibility is > enabled, as documented on https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Debian accessibility settings
I just build up from the minimal iso into a Mate desktop, what are the packages and settings done for accessibility on Debian, do you mod some to improve accessibility and how ? -- Michaël Caron Couturier
self-taught dev with some issues
Hello from Quebec, I'm a linux community manager and a self-taught sysadmin, I collaborate with a blind programmer and work on various accessibility projects. I aim to slowly finish a Debian derivate project aiming to rollback changes into regular Debian after showing the gains of my way, theses may be major improvements, I don't reinvent the wheel, I just use the features in an unexpected way to do more easily, it would be like a debian "next" iso toolkit to build thing usable by anyone even not blind than a new derivate. Main issues now for me and users I may maintain later are pidgin purple-facebook plugin, teamtalk, switch the default voice to a less robotic one, have a proper installer and an iso builder. Outside of that, we may have a way to promote Linux accessibility easily. Count me in for accessibility testing if you need. -- Michaël Caron Couturier
