Re: Hi, I am blind
Paul Wise, le mar. 17 avril 2018 11:20:15 +0800, a ecrit: > On Mon, 2018-04-16 at 10:15 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Well, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855446 > > accessible-via seems different to what I propose. > > accessible-via references software that makes each package accessible. Not exactly software, but the kind of support that software provides: braille, speech, and which software because that makes a technical difference in the quality of the information provided. > The proposed accessible-to would reference classes of abilities that > are required to use the package. For example accessible-to::sighted. > I've no idea if this sort of thing would be useful though. The problem is that "abilities" is a terrible beast to define. "sighted" for instance does not mean anything, since there is an extremely wide range of sightedness, which can't for instance actually be reduced a single "quality" scalar value as opticians define. "being able to read written braille", "being able to hear speech synthesis", "being able to read a zoomed display", however, does mean something to users, thus the accessible-via tags. > > but it seems https://debtags.debian.org/ hasn't gotten updated yet. > > I'd suggest filing another bug about that. Eww. Samuel
Re: Hi, I am blind
On Mon, 2018-04-16 at 10:15 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Well, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855446 accessible-via seems different to what I propose. accessible-via references software that makes each package accessible. The proposed accessible-to would reference classes of abilities that are required to use the package. For example accessible-to::sighted. I've no idea if this sort of thing would be useful though. > but it seems https://debtags.debian.org/ hasn't gotten updated yet. I'd suggest filing another bug about that. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Hi, I am blind
Hello, Paul Wise, le lun. 16 avril 2018 10:05:52 +0800, a ecrit: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:20 AM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > > For example, adding a tag to mention if some package is or not > > accessible would be a good idea. > > There is already an accessibility facet, but it covers tools: > > https://debtags.debian.org/reports/facets/accessibility > > I guess the way to go would be to create a new accessible-to:: facet > indicating which groups of abilities that each package is accessible > to. A bug against debtags with some initial set of tags would be the > way to start on this. Well, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855446 already got uploaded, but it seems https://debtags.debian.org/ hasn't gotten updated yet. Samuel
Re: Hi, I am blind
Le 14/04/2018 à 08:56, adri Orjales Vidal a écrit : Hello, I am blind and I need to use a screen reader so I can use my pc. I am tired to use windows, and I wanted to start using Devian, but here I saw that the screen reader Orca is kilometers away from NVDA, non visual desktop access, wich is a windows screen reader very fast. NVDA is open source, and it is developed over python I think that if you are able to add it in Devian I will be the happiest man in the world!! If it is not possible, please you should update Orca, the screen readers are more useful when are low level of system development, so you must change the way to make it really useful Hello adri, If you're a beginner in the GNU/Linux world, I don't advise you to upgrade Orca and the accessibility stack from stretch-backports as they can be broken. backports of Debian are not as tested as the regular distribution. I've tested it quickly on one my VM and I confirm that it works. Could you explain us why do you think Orca is far away from NVDA? I'm using Orca everyday and advanced users of NVDA have switch to Orca and are really happy with it. Orca provides most of the feature NVDA has. Best regards, Alex.
Re: Hi, I am blind
It would be more useful if you both gave a list of specific things in Orca, which you would like improved. Nobody responds to generic complaints, since those of us in Linux are using Orca and other screen readers because we like them mostly as they are. Fernando On 04/14/2018 02:37 PM, Chime Hart wrote: Well Adri, actually I have writtin folks at NVDA requesting them to make a Linux version. Along with yourself, I wish they did. Their flat review is almost exactly what we enjoy in Speakup, which is console or command-line based. Maybe if there were a graphical screen-reader in Linux with a similar feel to windows98, more blind folks would jump in. Chime
Re: Hi, I am blind
Well Adri, actually I have writtin folks at NVDA requesting them to make a Linux version. Along with yourself, I wish they did. Their flat review is almost exactly what we enjoy in Speakup, which is console or command-line based. Maybe if there were a graphical screen-reader in Linux with a similar feel to windows98, more blind folks would jump in. Chime
Hi, I am blind
Hello, I am blind and I need to use a screen reader so I can use my pc. I am tired to use windows, and I wanted to start using Devian, but here I saw that the screen reader Orca is kilometers away from NVDA, non visual desktop access, wich is a windows screen reader very fast. NVDA is open source, and it is developed over python I think that if you are able to add it in Devian I will be the happiest man in the world!! If it is not possible, please you should update Orca, the screen readers are more useful when are low level of system development, so you must change the way to make it really useful Please, blind people need help in Devian based distributions like itself Please feel free to visit the NVDA webpage Nvaccess.org
Re: Hi, I am blind
Hello, Clément Hermann, le sam. 14 avril 2018 16:14:57 +0200, a ecrit: > There are no backports available > currently (https://backports.debian.org/, that would get you 3.28), and > I'm not sure how feasible it would be to backport it without backporting > all of GNOME. Only the at-spi part needs backporting. I have done the packaging, I am waiting for test results before uploading orca 3.28 to stretch-backports. Samuel
