Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

2017-06-27 Thread Don Armstrong 
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Yes, that's sound reasoning :) A quite widely recognized symbol is a
> blue circled man
> 
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility?action=AttachFile=get=logo.png
> 
> but it's not in Unicode :) The advantage of the wheelchair is that
> it's quite obvious what the intent is.

I've switched it to ♿ now; if at some point a better symbol in UTF-8
with reasonable browser support appears, I will gladly switch. [Just
file another bug against the bdo pseudopackage.]

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Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

2017-06-27 Thread Reece Dunn 
On 27 June 2017 at 17:16, Samuel Thibault  wrote:

> Alex ARNAUD, on mar. 27 juin 2017 17:44:51 +0200, wrote:
> > Le 27/06/2017 à 16:36, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > > Don Armstrong, on lun. 26 juin 2017 19:26:33 -0700, wrote:
> > > > > Its one-letter symbol is ⓐ.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, I hadn't thought about it. I guess it would make sense that it
> be ♿?
> > >
> > > I wasn't in the best position to know if the ISA (♿) was the right
> > > symbol (because accessibility means more than mobility accessibility
> and
> > > other questions[1]),
>
> > For example my speech synthesis (espeak) doesn't
> > read the one-letter tag.
>
> I'd say it's a bug that should be reported to the speech synthesis.
> Ideally it should be able to pronounce all of Unicode. At least the
> common symbols should be pronounceable.
>
> Does it speak the wheelchair ? (♿)
>

The latest development version of espeak-ng has support for Unicode Emoji
5.0, so will read the character as "wheelchair symbol" (or the appropriate
phrase in the CLDR translations of that symbol for the given language).

The more complex emoji sequences (e.g. the skintone indicators) are only
partially supported. Complete support requires changes to the text
processing code, which is complicated and that I am planning for the
release after the current version in development.

As a temporary workaround, you can add:

♿w'i:ltSe@||s'Imb@L

to either en_list or en_extra, as the en_emoji file in the development
version is not compatible with 1.49.1 (it uses "♿wheelchair symbol").

Kind regards,
Reece

Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

2017-06-27 Thread Alex ARNAUD 

Le 27/06/2017 à 16:36, Don Armstrong a écrit :

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:

Don Armstrong, on lun. 26 juin 2017 19:26:33 -0700, wrote:

Its one-letter symbol is ⓐ.


Ah, I hadn't thought about it. I guess it would make sense that it be ♿?


I wasn't in the best position to know if the ISA (♿) was the right
symbol (because accessibility means more than mobility accessibility and
other questions[1]), so I picked something else as a placeholder.


The one-letter symbol is more difficult to read for low-vision and blind 
person than a word tag. For example my speech synthesis (espeak) doesn't 
read the one-letter tag. The size of the one-letter tag is smaller than 
normal english letters with Thunderbird on Debian (maybe also in Firefox)


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

2017-06-27 Thread Samuel Thibault 
Alex ARNAUD, on mar. 27 juin 2017 17:44:51 +0200, wrote:
> Le 27/06/2017 à 16:36, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Don Armstrong, on lun. 26 juin 2017 19:26:33 -0700, wrote:
> > > > Its one-letter symbol is ⓐ.
> > > 
> > > Ah, I hadn't thought about it. I guess it would make sense that it be ♿?
> > 
> > I wasn't in the best position to know if the ISA (♿) was the right
> > symbol (because accessibility means more than mobility accessibility and
> > other questions[1]),

Yes, that's sound reasoning :) A quite widely recognized symbol is a
blue circled man

https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility?action=AttachFile=get=logo.png

but it's not in Unicode :) The advantage of the wheelchair is that it's
quite obvious what the intent is.

> The one-letter symbol is more difficult to read for low-vision and blind
> person than a word tag.

There is a word tag for most uses. The one-letter symbol is only used
for the places where an extremely short version is needed.

> For example my speech synthesis (espeak) doesn't
> read the one-letter tag.

I'd say it's a bug that should be reported to the speech synthesis.
Ideally it should be able to pronounce all of Unicode. At least the
common symbols should be pronounceable.

Does it speak the wheelchair ? (♿)

> The size of the one-letter tag is smaller than normal english letters
> with Thunderbird on Debian (maybe also in Firefox)

Yes, because the whole glyph is supposed to be the same size, and the
circle takes room.

Samuel

Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

2017-06-27 Thread Don Armstrong 
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> The one-letter symbol is more difficult to read for low-vision and
> blind person than a word tag.

The word tag will always be there; the one letter tags are only for
compressing information in bug status output. For example:

#706902 [n|ⓐ|  ] [bugs.debian.org] bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

[You can also expand them by clicking on the information, or clicking
"toggle all extra information" at the bottom.]

> For example my speech synthesis (espeak) doesn't read the one-letter
> tag.

They also all currently use F, so in theory, a
speech synthesis program could expand the abbreviation (and they show up
as tool tips).

If there's some better way of making these accessible (while maintaining
the goal of compressing the output), I'm happy to explore it.

> The size of the one-letter tag is smaller than normal english
> letters with Thunderbird on Debian (maybe also in Firefox)

I'm pretty sure that's a font artifact; the size isn't changed
specifically.


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Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

2017-06-27 Thread Don Armstrong 
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Don Armstrong, on lun. 26 juin 2017 19:26:33 -0700, wrote:
> > Its one-letter symbol is ⓐ.
> 
> Ah, I hadn't thought about it. I guess it would make sense that it be ♿?

I wasn't in the best position to know if the ISA (♿) was the right
symbol (because accessibility means more than mobility accessibility and
other questions[1]), so I picked something else as a placeholder.

I'm totally happy to change the one-letter symbol to ♿ if there aren't
any objections to using it; it does make the meaning clearer.

1: http://www.aiga.org/inclusive-accessible-icon-project-icon-wheelchair
and https://joeclark.org/access/resources/symbolizing.html

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Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

2017-06-27 Thread Samuel Thibault 
Don Armstrong, on lun. 26 juin 2017 19:26:33 -0700, wrote:
> Its one-letter symbol is ⓐ.

Ah, I hadn't thought about it. I guess it would make sense that it be ♿?

Samuel