Bug#385271: Debian Installer unreliable

2006-09-03 Thread Michael Noisternig
Turns out that the problem reported is in fact 2 completely unrelated 
bugs. The one of the second paragraph is due to a problem Linux has with 
my CD drive. What is left is the following possible bug:


When the debian-installer cannot successfully download a package from 
the net due to a broken TCP connection, it does neither re-try to fetch 
the package nor does it prompt the user what to do.


When I installed that day the installer did *not* inform me of any 
packages it failed to download or install, although half the packages 
were missing after re-boot (I only got the command line, no gnome).


I cannot reproduce this now since my ISP is working fine again.

If you are convinced that the debian-installer *does* warn users about 
failed downloading then consider this bug closed by my side since I 
can't reproduce it.



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Bug#385271: Debian Installer unreliable

2006-09-03 Thread Christian Perrier
 When the debian-installer cannot successfully download a package from 
 the net due to a broken TCP connection, it does neither re-try to fetch 
 the package nor does it prompt the user what to do.
 
 When I installed that day the installer did *not* inform me of any 
 packages it failed to download or install, although half the packages 
 were missing after re-boot (I only got the command line, no gnome).


D-I developers (especially joeyh), wouldn't this actually be something
like apt should offer an option to retry downloading ?

AFAIK, the D-I composent that retrieves things from the net
(net-retriever) *does* offer an option to retry downloadsbut when
the download of packages in the Install software step is involved,
it indeed depends on downloads performed by APT

Correct?



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Bug#385271: Debian Installer unreliable

2006-08-30 Thread Michael Noisternig

Package: installation-reports

Boot method: network
Image version: 10 Aug 2006, debian.org
Date: 10 Aug 2006

Machine: i386
Processor:
Memory:
Partitions:

Output of lspci and lspci -n:

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [ ]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[E]
Install boot loader:[O]
Reboot: [ ]

Comments/Problems:

The debian net-installer is highly unreliable in that it does neither 
re-try to install packets it couldn't get from the net at first attempt 
(e.g. after lost TCP connections) nor does it prompt the user what to do 
in such case - it just ignores the packet. You end up with a system that 
is half the packets missing - whithout ever having been notified about 
this. I experienced that when my ISP had some problem and there was huge 
packet loss on my connection. After reboot I ended up at the command 
line login prompt, wondering whether the dist came without any desktop 
environment. When the ISP's problem was fixed I tried apt-get install 
gnome, apt-get downloaded all new packages, and then hang at 99%. 
Forver. Without CPU load. Reproducable. Did apt-get 
clean/autoclean/update. Changed net source. No change.


Next day: re-format and re-install everything. This time everything 
seemd to work fine, after reboot I got gnome by default. Now I 
immediately wanted to install some other packages. BUT! Same problem 
with apt-get on bigger packages! Small ones work fine, e.g. madplay. But 
when I try apt-get install xmms, it downloads first the new packages 
and then just hangs at 99%, forever, without CPU load. Same problem with 
lyx, which I tried next, and all other bigger packages. Now I don't know 
if this is a problem with apt-get or again with the Debian Installer 
having left out some packages???


Hope to get some feedback. Thanks in advance.


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Bug#385271: Debian Installer unreliable

2006-08-30 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Michael Noisternig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Package: installation-reports
 
 Boot method: network
 Image version: 10 Aug 2006, debian.org
 Date: 10 Aug 2006

Please give the exact URL which you downloaded the images
from. Without this information, there is no chance that we can give
you a motivated answer.


 The debian net-installer is highly unreliable in that it does neither 
 re-try to install packets it couldn't get from the net at first attempt 
 (e.g. after lost TCP connections) nor does it prompt the user what to do 
 in such case - it just ignores the packet. You end up with a system that 

Can you mention *exactly* what was the failure and *when* it did
happen ?

When the installer fails to download packages it *does* warn users.

 Next day: re-format and re-install everything. This time everything 
 seemd to work fine, after reboot I got gnome by default. Now I 
 immediately wanted to install some other packages. BUT! Same problem 
 with apt-get on bigger packages! Small ones work fine, e.g. madplay. But 

You definitely have a problem on your network connection with the
mirror you were using. Have you tried changing the mirror?




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