Bug#368530: joe: Mail would be better word-wrapped at 70 columns.
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Josip Rodin wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:27:04PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: Could you please set the default -rmargin for mail (*tmp/mutt-*) to 70 columns, as prescribed by the Netiquette? With the current default of 77, lines quoted multiple times by users of lesser editors/mailers without proper reformatting capabilities tend to wrap around nastily pretty fast. That's a slippery slope. What about the threads where there are more than five quotes (5 * is 80-10 = 70 characters)? 70 columns is just the most often mentioned number. RFC1855 mentions it in a different context while not giving an exact number for mail, but most Usenet and e-mail FAQs say that directly. (It's the most often used value, but not the only one -- a glance at Google shows a case of 72 and one of 65-70, for example). I too would say that 70 columns is a bit on the paranoid side as in well-behaved communities like Debian lists people know to delete irrelevant parts and thus it's unlikely to have 5 lines of quotations; though, in general, it doesn't sound like a totally unreasonable value. Certainly, it's better than 77 (current jstar's default) which breaks during the _2nd_ quoting. 77 is good for non-mail text and thus it probably should be left as the global default, but, as the config file allows specifying different values for different file types, there is no reason not to adjust it. Besides, the line wrapping settings (margins and wordwrap) don't affect text that is already entered. Since you can't automagically reduce the line width of the quoted mails, you could only reduce the width of your lines and make your own ^KJ function more efficient, but you still have to do that each time you get a new mail with broken quotes. I can't? Well, it works just fine in all mailers I use: mutt+jstar, Thunderbird, pine. For example: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. ^B in jstar / ^K^J in joe = Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Everything seems to work perfectly for quite a number of different quoting styles. -- /---\ Shh, be vewy, vewy quiet, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I'm hunting wuntime ewwows! \---/ Segmentation fault (core dumped) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#368530: joe: Mail would be better word-wrapped at 70 columns.
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 03:46:59PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: Besides, the line wrapping settings (margins and wordwrap) don't affect text that is already entered. Since you can't automagically reduce the line width of the quoted mails, you could only reduce the width of your lines and make your own ^KJ function more efficient, but you still have to do that each time you get a new mail with broken quotes. I can't? Well, it works just fine in all mailers I use: mutt+jstar, Thunderbird, pine. For example: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. ^B in jstar / ^K^J in joe = Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Everything seems to work perfectly for quite a number of different quoting styles. Please re-read what I wrote. Yes, ^KJ works, but it doesn't happen all by itself, you still have to go to the paragraph with the cursor, and execute the command. Reducing the line width won't help with that. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#368530: joe: Mail would be better word-wrapped at 70 columns.
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:27:04PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: Package: joe Version: 3.3-5 Severity: wishlist Could you please set the default -rmargin for mail (*tmp/mutt-*) to 70 columns, as prescribed by the Netiquette? With the current default of 77, lines quoted multiple times by users of lesser editors/mailers without proper reformatting capabilities tend to wrap around nastily pretty fast. That's a slippery slope. What about the threads where there are more than five quotes (5 * is 80-10 = 70 characters)? Besides, the line wrapping settings (margins and wordwrap) don't affect text that is already entered. Since you can't automagically reduce the line width of the quoted mails, you could only reduce the width of your lines and make your own ^KJ function more efficient, but you still have to do that each time you get a new mail with broken quotes. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#368530: joe: Mail would be better word-wrapped at 70 columns.
Package: joe Version: 3.3-5 Severity: wishlist Could you please set the default -rmargin for mail (*tmp/mutt-*) to 70 columns, as prescribed by the Netiquette? With the current default of 77, lines quoted multiple times by users of lesser editors/mailers without proper reformatting capabilities tend to wrap around nastily pretty fast. Regards, 1KB -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.16-1-686 Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Versions of packages joe depends on: ii libc6 2.3.6-9GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libncurses5 5.5-2 Shared libraries for terminal hand joe recommends no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
