Bug#493961: menu: Debian menu not visible on fresh installs

2008-08-08 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Yavor Doganov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 Maybe it's not a bug in the first place.  I suspect that the maintainers 
 believe the Debian menu is entirely redundant for the vast majority of 
 GNOME users.  Perhaps they're right.

Which I indeed partly agree with, for the record.

I think, but I may be wrong, that the Debian menu came before there
was a good standardization about .desktop files (which, if I'm
correct, are the way to create entries in most GUI environments).

If that's correct, maybe it should be time for both systems to
converge (I remember discussionsand disagreements...in -devel,
about this).



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Bug#493961: menu: Debian menu not visible on fresh installs

2008-08-07 Thread Yavor Doganov
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:22:09AM +0300, Eddy Petrișor wrote:
 I made a fresh install on a new laptop and I discovered that the Debian
 menu is not present AT ALL in GNOME's menu.

This is due to a deliberate decision of the GNOME maintainers:

gnome-menus (2.18.3-2) unstable; urgency=low

  [ Josselin Mouette ]
  * Debian.directory: don't display the Debian menu by default. It can
be enabled with the menu editor.

You have to use alacarte (or similar) and add it there in order to 
appear.  Not a bug in the menu package, let alone of RC severity.



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Bug#493961: menu: Debian menu not visible on fresh installs

2008-08-07 Thread Christian Perrier
reassign 493961 gnome-menus
severity 493961 wishlist
retitle 493961 Should not hide the Debian menu
thanks

Quoting Yavor Doganov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:22:09AM +0300, Eddy Petri?or wrote:
  I made a fresh install on a new laptop and I discovered that the Debian
  menu is not present AT ALL in GNOME's menu.
 
 This is due to a deliberate decision of the GNOME maintainers:
 
 gnome-menus (2.18.3-2) unstable; urgency=low
 
   [ Josselin Mouette ]
   * Debian.directory: don't display the Debian menu by default. It can
 be enabled with the menu editor.
 
 You have to use alacarte (or similar) and add it there in order to 
 appear.  Not a bug in the menu package, let alone of RC severity.


As a consequence, that bug should be reassigned to gnome-menus.

From the quoted changelog entry, it's very likely that, this decision
being a deliberate decision, the bug will not be fixed. I leave up
to Joss and gnome-menus maintainers to either tag the bug report or
close it. I'm retitling it accordingly. Please note that I have *no*
personal advice on the issue..:-)






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Bug#493961: menu: Debian menu not visible on fresh installs

2008-08-07 Thread Yavor Doganov
forcemerge 443461 493961
thanks

On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 10:48:37AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
 As a consequence, that bug should be reassigned to gnome-menus.

It seems it is already reported (twice) and tagged wontfix.

 From the quoted changelog entry, it's very likely that, this decision
 being a deliberate decision, the bug will not be fixed. 

Maybe it's not a bug in the first place.  I suspect that the maintainers 
believe the Debian menu is entirely redundant for the vast majority of 
GNOME users.  Perhaps they're right.



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Bug#493961: menu: Debian menu not visible on fresh installs

2008-08-06 Thread Eddy Petrișor

Package: menu
Version: 2.1.39
Severity: serious
Justification: useless package; package doesn't fulfill its role

I made a fresh install on a new laptop and I discovered that the Debian
menu is not present AT ALL in GNOME's menu.

This package is useless as long as this happens.



-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (900, 'testing'), (10, 'unstable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.25-2-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=ro_RO.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ro_RO.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

Versions of packages menu depends on:
ii  libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libgcc1   1:4.3.1-2  GCC support library
ii  libstdc++64.3.1-2The GNU Standard C++ Library v3

menu recommends no packages.

Versions of packages menu suggests:
ii  gksu  2.0.0-5graphical frontend to su

-- no debconf information



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Bug#493961: menu: Debian menu not visible on fresh installs

2008-08-06 Thread Luca Bruno
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Yes GNOME menu doesn't visualize it.
Though modifying the main menu, you can see the Debian category, very strange.

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