Bug#515186: xfdesktop4: Please only recommend xfce4-utils
In other words: Anyone not installing a Recommends accepts a small breakage. In this case the breakage is not working menu items. Not good, but unusual installation is a perfect term. I tend to disagree. I hardly ever install recommended packages and never see anything break. Missing functionalities are OK, but not breakage. I'm not really against putting xfce4-utils in the Recommends field, but it shouldn't break anything. If it breaks anything, then the package should depend on it. If you really want to put it as a recommended package rather than a dependency, I advise removing the bogus menu entries. Cheers, Xr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515186: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#515186: xfdesktop4: Please only recommend xfce4-utils
On lun, 2009-02-16 at 08:41 +0100, Xr wrote: I tend to disagree. I hardly ever install recommended packages and never see anything break. Missing functionalities are OK, but not breakage. I'm not really against putting xfce4-utils in the Recommends field, but it shouldn't break anything. If it breaks anything, then the package should depend on it. Well, that's the point since the beginning. What's a “missing functionality” and what a “breakage”. And basically in some case it's not possible to please everyone. (and Recommends: are installed by default, if you don't install them it was a choice and they are displayed as Recommended anyway) Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515186: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#515186: xfdesktop4: Please only recommend xfce4-utils
Hi, On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:27:19AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On lun, 2009-02-16 at 08:41 +0100, Xr wrote: I tend to disagree. I hardly ever install recommended packages and never see anything break. Missing functionalities are OK, but not breakage. If you don't install any Recommends, you declare your system unusual. I'm not really against putting xfce4-utils in the Recommends field, but it shouldn't break anything. If it breaks anything, then the package should depend on it. Well, that's the point since the beginning. What's a ???missing functionality??? and what a ???breakage???. And basically in some case it's not possible to please everyone. Well, the question is, what we call acceptable on an unusual install, because that's the text in the policy. My interpretation of unusual is: You accept some problems, and you accept to be responsible for analyzing those problems first before crying There's a bug. And if the answer is I missed to install package Y, despite it being reocmmended, it's all your fault. ;) Here's one example I could quickly dig up: * libdbus-1-3 recommends dbus. Without dbus libdbus-1-3 is nearly unusable, and there wont be any desktop messaging. But people can live without it sometimes (me!). (and Recommends: are installed by default, if you don't install them it was a choice and they are displayed as Recommended anyway) IMHO there are exactly two good reason for not installing a recommends: 1) You know, what you're doing AND 2) To conserve resources. Cheers, Elrond -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515186: xfdesktop4: Please only recommend xfce4-utils
Package: xfdesktop4 Version: 4.4.2-7 Severity: wishlist Hi, xfdesktop4 currently depends on xfce4-utils. This is so some of the menu entries work in the xfce menus. I forcibly deinstalled xfce4-utils and the major parts of xfdesktop4 package can still be used: - The menu plugin in xfce4-panel works (except of course the few entries, where the program is missing) - All shipped programs seem to work fine: xfce4-popup-menu, xfdesktop, xfce4-menueditor Note: thunar (needed for the File Manager menu item) already is only Recommended. So I think, this is fine for xfce4-utils too. The Policy Manaul about Recommends: `Recommends' This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The `Recommends' field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. In other words: Anyone not installing a Recommends accepts a small breakage. In this case the breakage is not working menu items. Not good, but unusual installation is a perfect term. Elrond -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515186: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#515186: xfdesktop4: Please only recommend xfce4-utils
On sam, 2009-02-14 at 16:05 +0100, Elrond wrote: In other words: Anyone not installing a Recommends accepts a small breakage. In this case the breakage is not working menu items. Not good, but unusual installation is a perfect term. Mhmh yeah, maybe that could be done, but, on the opposite, what is really bad about having xfce4-utils installed everywhere xfdesktop4 is? Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#515186: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#515186: xfdesktop4: Please only recommend xfce4-utils
Hi, thanks for the fast answer. On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 04:24:55PM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On sam, 2009-02-14 at 16:05 +0100, Elrond wrote: In other words: Anyone not installing a Recommends accepts a small breakage. In this case the breakage is not working menu items. Not good, but unusual installation is a perfect term. Mhmh yeah, maybe that could be done, but, on the opposite, what is really bad about having xfce4-utils installed everywhere xfdesktop4 is? Really bad: It takes up space on the disk. This is a concern for example on flash based machines. while conserving system resources (from xfce4 description) On the other hand: 1) Some people (me) don't need it. If you just want to pick and choose the core components then feel free ... (also from xfce4 description) 2) And it should be installed everywhere (except unusual setups), where xfdesktop4 is installed. That's the point of Recommends. Does it really hurt the maintainers in a different way than the recommends for thunar? Cheers, Elrond -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
