Bug#523322: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#523322: Bug#523322:
On 1 September 2010 07:31, Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote I'm not using an older version, I'm using a more recent version :) ii gnome-keyring 2.30.3-1 GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools) I'm using that too. Probably the version of Xfce you're using has the bug fixed That's because of the OnlyShowIn line. I had changed that; it was becaus xfce doesn't check /usr/share/gnome/autostart. Copying the modified file in /etc/xdg/autostart made it appear and run at login, but gnome-keyring still doesn't work as a SSH agent. Good point. So yes, either it's run as part of Xsession.d stuff (which was not possible, aiui?) or xfce4-session runs it, and do it correctly, for example using your patch. It used to be possible to start it in Xsession.d, but now it messes up the new DBus interface to gnome-keyring (it starts too early I seem to remember) And I'm afraid it might break existing systems. For example, I have gnome-keyring installed (and it manages password for stuff like evolution) but I *dont* want to use it as ssh-agent. If I tune xfce4-session to fix g-k-d start, will it force that behavior? I think the default is for gnome-keyring to be a ssh-agent; this can be changed via gconf (setting /apps/gnome-keyring/daemon-components/ssh to false). I realise that this is a bit inconvenient; but I'd say that if one uses many gnome applications will have to install gconf-editor anyway. (I don't like the fact that there isn't a simpler way to configure gnome-keyring if you're not using gnome, but this is what upstream has chosen and I don't think that relying on a bug in xfce4-session not to impose the ssh-agent to people would be a sensisble choice) Cheers, Luca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#523322: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#523322: Bug#523322: Bug#523322:
On 01/09/2010 11:38, Luca Niccoli wrote: On 1 September 2010 07:31, Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote I'm not using an older version, I'm using a more recent version :) ii gnome-keyring 2.30.3-1 GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools) I'm using that too. Probably the version of Xfce you're using has the bug fixed That's because of the OnlyShowIn line. I had changed that; it was becaus xfce doesn't check /usr/share/gnome/autostart. Copying the modified file in /etc/xdg/autostart made it appear and run at login, but gnome-keyring still doesn't work as a SSH agent. Hmh, yeah. Maybe “start gnome services” in Xfce should look at that autostart dir though (but that deserve a different bug). Good point. So yes, either it's run as part of Xsession.d stuff (which was not possible, aiui?) or xfce4-session runs it, and do it correctly, for example using your patch. It used to be possible to start it in Xsession.d, but now it messes up the new DBus interface to gnome-keyring (it starts too early I seem to remember) dbus is usually started using 75dbus_dbus-launch. On my system it's gpg-agent - dbus-launch - startxfce4. It might depend on how you start Xfce (if dbus isn't started when startxfce4 is run, it will start it itself), but in any case, making sure gnome-keyring is run *after* 75 should work (and would be cleaner since it'd work in other DE too). And I'm afraid it might break existing systems. For example, I have gnome-keyring installed (and it manages password for stuff like evolution) but I *dont* want to use it as ssh-agent. If I tune xfce4-session to fix g-k-d start, will it force that behavior? I think the default is for gnome-keyring to be a ssh-agent; this can be changed via gconf (setting /apps/gnome-keyring/daemon-components/ssh to false). I *really* don't like that. Gnome-keyring is pulled by way too much stuff and if it breaks users system, it's *not* good. I realise that this is a bit inconvenient; but I'd say that if one uses many gnome applications will have to install gconf-editor anyway. (I don't like the fact that there isn't a simpler way to configure gnome-keyring if you're not using gnome, but this is what upstream has chosen and I don't think that relying on a bug in xfce4-session not to impose the ssh-agent to people would be a sensisble choice) Yes, I agree, but before breaking it for ssh-agent (ang gpg-agent as as ssh-agent) users systems, I'd prefer having more comments from g-k people. Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#523322: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#523322: Bug#523322: Bug#523322:
On 1 September 2010 12:23, Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: dbus is usually started using 75dbus_dbus-launch. On my system it's gpg-agent - dbus-launch - startxfce4. It might depend on how you start Xfce (if dbus isn't started when startxfce4 is run, it will start it itself), but in any case, making sure gnome-keyring is run *after* 75 should work (and would be cleaner since it'd work in other DE too). I remember trying that, but it didn't work. I don't remember why though, I''ll try again later and see what's the problem. Anyway, this would be a system only setting, which is the opposite of what you are looking for, i.e. simple user configuration. I'm positive that putting it in .Xsessionrc didn't work when I tried. I *really* don't like that. Gnome-keyring is pulled by way too much stuff and if it breaks users system, it's *not* good. One solution would be to add an option in xfce4-session just to start gnome-keyring as a ssh agent; simply ignoring the SSH_AUTH_SOCK variable if that is not set. Sounds a bit hacky though. Yes, I agree, but before breaking it for ssh-agent (ang gpg-agent as as ssh-agent) users systems, I'd prefer having more comments from g-k people. g-k maintainer in debian has been quite silent about this bug (that was originally filed against it) Cheers, Luca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On mar., 2010-08-31 at 23:24 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Btw, I can see that: /usr/share/gnome/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop contains OnlyShowIn=GNOME;LXDE; If gnome-keyring-ssh is what you need, wouldn't it be simpler to add Xfce to that list? And same thing for /usr/share/gnome/autostart/gnome-keyring-secrets.desktop which has: Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=secrets OnlyShowIn=GNOME;LXDE; Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#523322: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#523322: Bug#523322:
On mar., 2010-08-31 at 23:52 +0200, Luca Niccoli wrote: On 31 August 2010 23:24, Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: Hmh, to be honest, gnome-keyring is started properly here (though I'm not using 4.6 on that box and can't check on another one). Maybe if you're not using 4.6 you have an old version of gnome-keyring as well? The way it was supposed to be started changed in version 2.26 I'm not using an older version, I'm using a more recent version :) ii gnome-keyring 2.30.3-1 GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools) Btw, I can see that: /usr/share/gnome/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop contains OnlyShowIn=GNOME;LXDE; If gnome-keyring-ssh is what you need, wouldn't it be simpler to add Xfce to that list? It doesn't work; SSH Key Agent doesn't even show up as an option among the autostarted applications in xfce4-session-settings . That's because of the OnlyShowIn line. And I don't think that starting it this way could export $SSH_AUTH_SOCK to the session (gnome-keyring-daemon just prints it on stdout together with other variables, and it's up to the caller to export them). Good point. So yes, either it's run as part of Xsession.d stuff (which was not possible, aiui?) or xfce4-session runs it, and do it correctly, for example using your patch. Moreover, I think the proper way to decide whether gnome-keyring should act as a ssh agent would be via gconf (this is a quite minor point). And I'm afraid it might break existing systems. For example, I have gnome-keyring installed (and it manages password for stuff like evolution) but I *dont* want to use it as ssh-agent. If I tune xfce4-session to fix g-k-d start, will it force that behavior? Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
