Bug#559057: etoys: New upstream version available: 4.0.2339
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:41:13AM +0100, José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez wrote: So, now you know the situation, and can decide: you can continue what I did and ignore the problems that both, Debian and Squeak communities are raising, or try to fight against the giants of the different egos to fix them. In any case, you have my support if you hijack the packages, or if you want my help to do new uploads. Most definitely I want to work together with you on this - it simply felt from the outside that progress was stalled, and I imagined that perhaps your interest in it had stagnated. I am (somewhat) aware of the peculiarities of both the VM and the world on top of it, but am thankful for any repitition/clarification, and *very* happy to learn that you are still interested in it - as my interest - for now at least - is in packaging and maintaining (to reach a complete core Sugar environment) , not in using the tools. I have requested membership of that Alioth team. Let's take it from there. Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#559057: etoys: New upstream version available: 4.0.2339
2009/12/2 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:41:13AM +0100, José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez wrote: So, now you know the situation, and can decide: you can continue what I did and ignore the problems that both, Debian and Squeak communities are raising, or try to fight against the giants of the different egos to fix them. In any case, you have my support if you hijack the packages, or if you want my help to do new uploads. Most definitely I want to work together with you on this - it simply felt from the outside that progress was stalled, and I imagined that perhaps your interest in it had stagnated. yeah, it was stalled, but not by my lack of interest, but because I had been waiting (too much, for sure) an anwer and help from the Squeak community. A push from someone else makes me wake up again I am (somewhat) aware of the peculiarities of both the VM and the world on top of it, but am thankful for any repitition/clarification, and *very* happy to learn that you are still interested in it - as my interest - for now at least - is in packaging and maintaining (to reach a complete core Sugar environment) , not in using the tools. Ok, so, then, maybe the package must also consider it's also going to be used inside sugar and maybe some changes must be done to fit it in such environment. I have requested membership of that Alioth team. Let's take it from there. I've given you admin rights, feel free to touch whatever you want. And after knowing the current state of the packages, if you think that packaging new versions following the previous work, not waiting any more for any help from the Squeakers is a good idea, I think we could do an upload next week. I'm still following the squeak-dev mailing lists, so I'm updated with latest changes in the vm and the etoys image, and the packages might be ready with a few hours of work. Cheers José L. Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJLFjEnAAoJECx8MUbBoAEhF+sP/28PyLFmb8Sow7DcsM+ADqii mjoMb5m5EvXQjdHKh0f1cu+NBZmqFW/qk2FKHYB+V8LEGBkF1AD6ZmdInJw6NoX2 uPKgpKxxAtE3lxSPwC9tVlxd3a6vnCE/BYDoXgCiQkx+6QciXzD9uA+J3zcks0S7 1gpPiN4rO36BZ0lQLEqVIAQXyBmlRrH95c8p1sBMosJ1FXLWHxfgujsy1VZEttro +mn7PqGuNTFXxaq88vrf74PNv5s8E8QzUgmfS/Znel+uMSt0aOTM+f4MsHEoVBFy je0oTh82pPglijRN5mNzQvQTgKEqRAxwTr0ntOeeBWy3AA7OzBuo1MSvSUkHzbJy prYPPC5/6IhDy24y6fMxQfsDw49StG4qsxtgvL7a0rWKeCG11tQG2Q3z8WHmlBa4 KvWxi+SRc1GwYy9N/xRILMqv9LnfhaKvT1P4R01hsoQDJf9p23am4Vb1cYvQyO+X +/VyidiaaMcCxcMLmmF2Gwj9piB9X6bX/+wGowMUIUO0tzvAh1A5QRHexnZDDbww wkAITqe6zn4DQtDDVQ+f4U1MzRUv4kELulB+vqHJ6eazRZCVnlLUmFq5GiRlNq6a +d7jGt5I9/fuOI5DthXUxxX4aF0JoLbgdQhKy9MtyYjkYr3AntDoUKqOGpyJfDWU /SPfk8E22B1KCDzep4D/ =II+V -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#559057: etoys: New upstream version available: 4.0.2339
Hi Jonas. First of all, I'd be glad if you hijack the packages, but I'd like to explain to you their current situation: - etoys: it has some important bugs related to the way the squeak image is bootstraped. Now it's impossible to technically confirm that the whole image is free, because it's impossible to rebuild the image from scratch. There is an effort in the squeak community to make that possible, but the steps are being taken very slowly. That's why I haven't updated that package. Redo the package with the new image is easy and can be done pretty fast, so you won't have problems with this package. Well, Etoys 4 is the license-clean version. We still can't rebuild it from source even though all the sources are there, yes, but that's just how Smalltalk works. -squeak-vm: I'd like to continue maintaining this package, but there was inside the squeak community some people (Bert among them) who didn't like the way I do the package because they have done a different debianization. If I gave that impression, I'm sorry. I can't remember the details. I myself never worked on debianization. And in the end, don't pay attention to the nay-sayers, it's the doers who rule :) The problem is the way the package is focused: I focused it to use Squeak in education, so I added desktop integration, mime types and launchers for kde/gnome. That sounds perfect for Etoys. Are you sure I was opposed? They focused the package in using squeak to develop, so the launcher is console based, allowing more parameters to launch squeak in different ways. Trying to solve this problem I created an alioth project: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-squeak/ , I added the other people as administrator and developper and upload my debianization (that includes some fixes for the current package in Debian). That was seven months ago, and since then, no one has added anything or argue anything in the mailing lists. Yes, I'm surprised nothing is happening there. I subscribed a couple of months ago, and have at least sent new version announcements. I also directed all people interested in Debian and Ubuntu to that list. So, I'm a little frozen with the package, as I could do a new upload with my debianization, but I would like to do it together with the rest of the people who have worked on it inside the Squeak community. I've used Squeak a lot , and know pretty well the image and smalltalk, but about the vm, I do know that there are people there who know much better its insides. Well IMHO you should simply do that. The others are obviously not interested any more. Squeak is a really weird project inside the Debian rules, and its debianization have some problems that are really hard to solve inside Debian. So, now you know the situation, and can decide: you can continue what I did and ignore the problems that both, Debian and Squeak communities are raising, or try to fight against the giants of the different egos to fix them. In any case, you have my support if you hijack the packages, or if you want my help to do new uploads. Cheers. José L. Let me know if I can be of help. And Jonas: great you're getting the ball rolling again! - Bert - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#559057: etoys: New upstream version available: 4.0.2339
Package: etoys Version: 3.0.1916+svn132-2 Severity: wishlist Hi, Bert Freudenberg announced a new version recently, and also at earlier occasions mentioned that this package and the underlying squeak-vm seems unmaintained for quite some time. Would it be ok with you that I hijack these packages and move it to be team-maintained under the umbrella of the OLPC Alioth team? Kind regards, - Jonas -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-rc8-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=da_DK.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=da_DK.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages etoys depends on: ii squeak-vm 3.10.3+svn1902.dfsg-1 The Squeak Smalltalk System (virtu Versions of packages etoys recommends: ii etoys-doc 3.0.1916+svn132-2 Documentation for etoys etoys suggests no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#559057: etoys: New upstream version available: 4.0.2339
Hi Jonas. First of all, I'd be glad if you hijack the packages, but I'd like to explain to you their current situation: - etoys: it has some important bugs related to the way the squeak image is bootstraped. Now it's impossible to technically confirm that the whole image is free, because it's impossible to rebuild the image from scratch. There is an effort in the squeak community to make that possible, but the steps are being taken very slowly. That's why I haven't updated that package. Redo the package with the new image is easy and can be done pretty fast, so you won't have problems with this package. -squeak-vm: I'd like to continue maintaining this package, but there was inside the squeak community some people (Bert among them) who didn't like the way I do the package because they have done a different debianization. The problem is the way the package is focused: I focused it to use Squeak in education, so I added desktop integration, mime types and launchers for kde/gnome. They focused the package in using squeak to develop, so the launcher is console based, allowing more parameters to launch squeak in different ways. Trying to solve this problem I created an alioth project: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-squeak/ , I added the other people as administrator and developper and upload my debianization (that includes some fixes for the current package in Debian). That was seven months ago, and since then, no one has added anything or argue anything in the mailing lists. So, I'm a little frozen with the package, as I could do a new upload with my debianization, but I would like to do it together with the rest of the people who have worked on it inside the Squeak community. I've used Squeak a lot , and know pretty well the image and smalltalk, but about the vm, I do know that there are people there who know much better its insides. Squeak is a really weird project inside the Debian rules, and its debianization have some problems that are really hard to solve inside Debian. So, now you know the situation, and can decide: you can continue what I did and ignore the problems that both, Debian and Squeak communities are raising, or try to fight against the giants of the different egos to fix them. In any case, you have my support if you hijack the packages, or if you want my help to do new uploads. Cheers. José L. 2009/12/1 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk Package: etoys Version: 3.0.1916+svn132-2 Severity: wishlist Hi, Bert Freudenberg announced a new version recently, and also at earlier occasions mentioned that this package and the underlying squeak-vm seems unmaintained for quite some time. Would it be ok with you that I hijack these packages and move it to be team-maintained under the umbrella of the OLPC Alioth team? Kind regards, - Jonas -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-rc8-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=da_DK.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=da_DK.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages etoys depends on: ii squeak-vm 3.10.3+svn1902.dfsg-1 The Squeak Smalltalk System (virtu Versions of packages etoys recommends: ii etoys-doc 3.0.1916+svn132-2 Documentation for etoys etoys suggests no packages. -- no debconf information
