Bug#629850: Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common

2011-06-09 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:39:09PM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
 RE WTF are you citing libreoffice-common here but then file it against 
 openoffice.org-impress?
 
 All I know is the latter has this dependency problem, as that is the
 package I installed.

Nonsense. Besides that openoffice.org-impress is a empty dummy package. It has 
no content
there is no dependency problem here anyway, as I already said in my last mail.

 RE No, because it not a MUST but it needed for SOME features. (And none in 
 impress)
 
 Then please kindly reword the warning as such.

No.

- This thing is coming from a library in -core
- This thing is there for e.g. writer where you need Java for some wizards. But 
don't
  need it for normal functioning.

No, this will not be removed, if we did this people who don't know those 
wizards need
Java and don't read package description/relationships will wonder why they 
don't work
if they don't have a (proper) JVM there.

Grüße/Regards,

René



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Bug#629850: Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common

2011-06-09 Thread Rene Engelhard
retitle 629850 remove Please ensure that a JVM and the package 
libreoffice-java-common message
thanks

Hi,

On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 09:23:10AM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:39:09PM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
  RE WTF are you citing libreoffice-common here but then file it against 
  openoffice.org-impress?
  
  All I know is the latter has this dependency problem, as that is the
  package I installed.
 
 Nonsense. Besides that openoffice.org-impress is a empty dummy package. It 
 has no content
 there is no dependency problem here anyway, as I already said in my last mail.

(If there was a bug it would be in libreoffice-*, not in a openoffice.org-*)

  Then please kindly reword the warning as such.

Ah, you mean reword. Sorry, read remove

 No.
 
 - This thing is coming from a library in -core
 - This thing is there for e.g. writer where you need Java for some wizards. 
 But don't
   need it for normal functioning.
 
 No, this will not be removed, if we did this people who don't know those 
 wizards need
 Java and don't read package description/relationships will wonder why they 
 don't work
 if they don't have a (proper) JVM there.

Still no. It comes from a core lib which doesn't know what you just installed 
and it
can't read your brain on what you use. If you don't have problems fine, if 
something's not
working for you install the JVM.

This warning was patched in from us exactly because of the scenario in the 
second point above.
People just didn't  grok they needed a JVM and/or -java-common for some stuff.

Maybe you should invest your time in better things than filing bugs like this.

Grüße/Regards,

René



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Bug#629850: Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common

2011-06-09 Thread jidanni
Also the message mentions a file in ~/... without even testing if it is
there. Even telling root to check his own ~/...

Anyway any messages should give full disclosure: some thing will still
work, don't panic.

Actually all I wanted to do was extract a .wav file from a .pps file.
I note impress makes a file tree in /tmp.
I wish there was a way to just get this tree without having to install
the 70 MB of .debs just to run impress.

I thought the 20 Kb ripole package could do it but it couldn't.



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Bug#629850: Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common

2011-06-08 Thread jidanni
Package: openoffice.org-impress
Version: 1:3.3.0-10
Severity: wishlist

Setting up libreoffice-common (1:3.3.2-4) ...
javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! 
Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common
is installed.
If it is already installed then try removing 
~/.libreoffice/3/user/config/javasettings_Linux_*.xml
Setting up libreoffice-core (1:3.3.2-4) ...


You make sure.

Isn't that what Depends: is for?

Also don't expect the user to know what JVM means.



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Bug#629850: Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common

2011-06-08 Thread Rene Engelhard
reassign 629850 openoffice.org-core
tag 629850 + wontfix
thanks

On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 04:40:53AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
 Package: openoffice.org-impress
 Version: 1:3.3.0-10
 Severity: wishlist
 
 Setting up libreoffice-common (1:3.3.2-4) ...

WTF are you citing libreoffice-common here but then file it against 
openoffice.org-impress?

 javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! 
 Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common
 is installed.
 If it is already installed then try removing 
 ~/.libreoffice/3/user/config/javasettings_Linux_*.xml
 Setting up libreoffice-core (1:3.3.2-4) ...
 
 
 You make sure.

No.

 Isn't that what Depends: is for?

No, because it not a MUST but it needed for SOME features. (And none in impress)

What strictly needs Java *has* that Depends (which you obviously didn't even 
dare
to check: see libreoffice-base, -filter-mobiledev etc.)

 Also don't expect the user to know what JVM means.

Sorry, there's that thing called google.

Grüße/Regards,

René
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Bug#629850: Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common

2011-06-08 Thread jidanni
RE WTF are you citing libreoffice-common here but then file it against 
openoffice.org-impress?

All I know is the latter has this dependency problem, as that is the
package I installed.

RE No, because it not a MUST but it needed for SOME features. (And none in 
impress)

Then please kindly reword the warning as such.



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