Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 04:36:54PM +, Wookey wrote:
1) on http://cdimage.debian.org/~atterer/faq/
in the list of bootable CD flavours replace the less in (smaller kernel,
with less options enabled) with fewer - (yes I realise this is pretty
pedantic and these days people don't even necessarily agree as this usage
distinction is rapidly falling out of use :-)
:) OK, fixed.
2) in http://cdimage.debian.org/~atterer/faq/ (I think)
I found a link to #latest at the bottom of the home page, saying that it
should show the current release, but it was broken ('unkown target')
Strange, I seem to have removed the anchor - it's back now.
(Even weirder: With Netscape 4.77 the link still appeared to work even
though the anchor wasn't there!)
3) I'm not quite sure about the 'ruled feint' background. What's wrong with
plain white?
Nothing, really. I'm trying out the ruled background to see whether it
improves readability, though. IMHO, it does, because:
- The rules lead the eye, so you don't accidentally skip lines when
reading quickly. (This is a basic problem with web pages because the
lines are too long. A rule of thumb used by professional printers is
that a column's width should not be greater than 1.5 times the
length of the lowercase alphabet. Many sites add large margins
(using tables) to get nearer to this value.)
- The grainyness of the lines gives your eye something to hold
onto when you view large, empty areas of the page. Otherwise, it
gets slightly irritated. For the same reason, a certain amount of
grainyness is also good for real-world paper.
4) Richard, are you sure you want your email on every page footer?
Never mind the spam you are lining yourself up for a lot of dumb
questions :-)
Yes, I've been wondering about this! :-) I hope the dumb questions
will go to The Debian CD team address. I'll see how much spam I get,
if it turns out to be a problem I can always change the pages.
Phil and also Anne (as former maintainer of the WWW pages), is
this fit to replace the main cdimage website now? [...]
Agreed; I think it's time for this to go live. I can't see any
reason why not. Is this now underway?
Both Phil and Anne have agreed to the site reorganization. The cdimage
web pages are going to move to www.debian.org: the CD vendor list is
on www already, plus it makes life much easier for the web page
translators. Josip Rodin has offered to convert the pages to WML and
commit them to the webwml CVS.
Cheers,
Richard
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Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 01:47:28AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I really like the content, but I'ld rather see it having the same look as the rest of the debian.org sites so we have a consistent look feel everywhere. I realize a consistent look feel is a great thing to have. In fact, I started off using the regular Debian design. However, the graphical design of www.d.o is just so old-fashioned... :-/ Maybe as a compromise, I could - move the Debian logo to the top left, the CD icon to the top right - use a navigation bar with round ends like the main site That way, the design is more similar. The fact that it's not identical is a small problem, but after all it *is* a different site, and other debian.org websites don't really follow the normal layout, either. On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:36:44PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: One exclimation point will do. If you insist. :) Also, on the netinst page, s/At one point/At some point/ OK. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Hello, over the last days, I've finished the work on the new cdimage website, the result can be viewed at http://cdimage.debian.org/~atterer/. Comments welcome! I went through all the pages on the current site and in part copied the text over, in part rewrote things. I also updated the information for woody in many places, made thumbnails for the CD cover art, checked which of the mirrors are still present, updated large sections of the FAQ, inserted a few links to the install docs on www.d.o etc etc... Last but not least, I also inserted humble plugs for my jigdo scheme in various places ;-) Since jigdo isn't quite there yet, I've changed it for now to clearly say so on the main page. Phil and also Anne (as former maintainer of the WWW pages), is this fit to replace the main cdimage website now? I think we should move the old stuff to an old directory or similar for the moment. Also, Phil, I'll need to be added to the appropriate group. :) Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ msg02492/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Previously Richard Atterer wrote: over the last days, I've finished the work on the new cdimage website, the result can be viewed at http://cdimage.debian.org/~atterer/. Comments welcome! I really like the content, but I'ld rather see it having the same look as the rest of the debian.org sites so we have a consistent look feel everywhere. Wichert. -- _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Wichert Akkerman wrote: I really like the content, but I'ld rather see it having the same look as the rest of the debian.org sites so we have a consistent look feel everywhere. I agree, altough the debian cd icon at the upper-left is very nice and should appear somewhere. Nice site, the only thing that grated on my nerves was this: Please do not download CD images with your web browser in the way you do with other files!!! One exclimation point will do. Also, on the netinst page, s/At one point/At some point/ -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:48:52AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: [net install CDs] IMHO we should only do one, since doing more than one is starting to get into the maze of twisty windy passages that was the web site, in ^^^ terms of choice.. WRT making that was above become reality... I've _started_ with a new cdimage website, but I've got little spare time and another project (jigdo) to complete, so please, if anybody wants to help with transferring the old website's content to the new site layout, you're very welcome to help! prod prod... :-) All the best, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 12:22:33AM +, lance wrote: BTW when can we have a dvd image ?? The debian-cd package apparently already works for creating DVD images. Once I've got things sorted my end with the DVD-R drive I have I'll be starting to sell DVDs. -- Steve McIntyre, Allstor Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also available from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky, Tongue-tied twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Richard Atterer wrote: RA On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:46:19PM +, Stephen Mulcahy wrote: RA people in my situation i.e. fast pipe at work, slow or non-existent RA pipe at home. Its no problem for me to download the cd images but RA the only way to upgrade my installation at home is to burn cds. RA RA Have you ever tried apt-zip? I'm in the same situation as you (except RA s/work/uni/), and it works OK most of the time. wow - thanks for the pointer, this one managed to slip by me :-) I'll have to do some experimentation. -stephen -- Stephen Mulcahy, Software Engineer, AO - Multivendor Systems Engineering, Compaq Global Services, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland. tel: +353-91-754584 / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
I am a proto-newbie. I attempted an internet install of debian twice. Both times, the initial install from cd that came in the back of book went fine. Then I tried to let debian complete the install via the internet. After hours in downloading, my mouse stopped working. I was able to restart the X configure program, but something that had been downloaded had contaminated my installation, and I could not get the mouse to work again. So I tried again from scratch. Second time around, I had the same problem. Now I'm back to running RedHat and waiting for some cds to arrive in the mail. A network install is great, if you have NO problems. But if you DO have problems, you have a broken machine, and no access to the internet for help. Not good. If someone responds to this post with a suggestion of how to fix the mouse, I will carefully preserve the suggestion until the cds arrive. begin:vcard n:Condon;Paul E x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Paul E Condon end:vcard
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Stephen Mulcahy wrote: PH or get a small bootstrap CD with just the base system on it, and then PH do a network install. small bootstrap CDs are fine but I'd be concerned about the use of [...] Maybe bootstrap CDs contain just the boot n base should become an official component of the distrib alongside the install floppies? i think we all agree that an official mini install (bootable) iso image would be a Good Thing (tm). so the following questions o does it get produced for i386 only or for all architectures ? o does it place an unreasonable burden on Phil Hands to be generating multiple sets of images within architectures for official releases ? o does it place an unreasonable burden on any other people involved (in debate about what packages must be on/off - must there be a mini iso1_NONUS or not.. or misc stuff) o how much disk space are we talking about ? should it meet some particular standard so it can be reused (e.g CreditCard isos ?) o who is already doing this ? regards, -jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
jason andrade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i think we all agree that an official mini install (bootable) iso image would be a Good Thing (tm). so the following questions o does it get produced for i386 only or for all architectures ? I'd guess the people responsible for each port should make a decision about how useful a mini-CD would be for them. o does it place an unreasonable burden on Phil Hands to be generating multiple sets of images within architectures for official releases ? Not really, as long as we come up with a debian-cd based approach that I can do as an extra step in the build process. The current mini-CDs I've seen were all mostly hand-crafted, which didn't strike me as very maintainable. o does it place an unreasonable burden on any other people involved (in debate about what packages must be on/off - must there be a mini iso1_NONUS or not.. or misc stuff) Should we be aiming at as small an image as is useful or as much useful stuff as we can fit on a business card CD ? I tend to prefer something that would double as a reasonable rescue CD, with a few extra tools on it, and with the possibility of booting into a ram disk based system with bash and ssh available, at least. Thoughts? o how much disk space are we talking about ? should it meet some particular standard so it can be reused (e.g CreditCard isos ?) I think it should certainly be no bigger than CreditCard iso size, and probably smaller, since most people will not want it for that, but just to quickly burn onto a CD and start a net install. Maybe we should do 2. The smallest possible useful net-install CD, and the most useful possible CreditCard iso. They're both going to be pretty small, so space isn't much of an issue, just deciding what needs to go on them. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)118 9545656]http://www.hands.com/ |-| Philip Hands Computing Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| Unit 1, Cherry Close, Caversham, Reading RG4 8UP ENGLAND -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On 19 Nov 2001, Philip Hands wrote: I'd guess the people responsible for each port should make a decision about how useful a mini-CD would be for them. hmm, slightly ambiguous - those responsible for each port have already decided that a cd distro is a useful thing to have (for the ports that already have one) so this is a combination of that plus an official version. IMHO, if it's useful for i386, it's useful for them all for much the same reasons except they have a smaller userbase. I can do as an extra step in the build process. The current mini-CDs I've seen were all mostly hand-crafted, which didn't strike me as very maintainable. aye - that's what i was afraid of too. Should we be aiming at as small an image as is useful or as much useful stuff as we can fit on a business card CD ? or somewhere in the middle. if a BCCD holds say 150M, should we aim to produce an image that is 100M, that is there is now an official image which can be used, of which 2/3 is the base install and 1/3 is available for local content/applications. this allows the base image to be reused for a number of things. Maybe we should do 2. The smallest possible useful net-install CD, and the most useful possible CreditCard iso. They're both going to be pretty small, so space isn't much of an issue, just deciding what needs to go on them. IMHO we should only do one, since doing more than one is starting to get into the maze of twisty windy passages that was the web site, in terms of choice.. i.e, with one small iso, a user gets a choice of: o download a very small ISO which you can use to get on the net and then update packages from your closest mirror o download a full ISO set if you don't have a net connection or need a reference set of ISOs. this also allows for developers/cd vendors to customize the former if they wish. side note. there is a lot to be said for the official iso images being available as a reference btw - a lot of places don't quite espouse the debian updates, perhaps for QA/change control reasons and it can be very useful to have a known stable release one can consistently install. and reinstall from official images. -jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:35:17PM +, Philip Hands wrote: snip Should we be aiming at as small an image as is useful or as much useful stuff as we can fit on a business card CD ? I tend to prefer something that would double as a reasonable rescue CD, with a few extra tools on it, and with the possibility of booting into a ram disk based system with bash and ssh available, at least. Thoughts? Well, a rescue cd like the one Linuxcare provides might not be a bad idea, but what I really love about the current afloat netinstall isos are that they are really small, I can point people to one and say, Look, just burn that 35 mb iso and download what you need after that with apt, instead of downloading 6 isos you will likely not need. As has been said, floppies are just to cumbersome for most people, so as small an image as is useful would be my first choice if there is a choice to be made (not sure how feasible 2 extra isos would be). o how much disk space are we talking about ? should it meet some particular standard so it can be reused (e.g CreditCard isos ?) I think it should certainly be no bigger than CreditCard iso size, and probably smaller, since most people will not want it for that, but just to quickly burn onto a CD and start a net install. Maybe we should do 2. The smallest possible useful net-install CD, and the most useful possible CreditCard iso. They're both going to be pretty small, so space isn't much of an issue, just deciding what needs to go on them. For the smallest one, I think bf and base would make sense, maybe with an adjusted basedebs.tgz, for the larger one, have a look at how other people are doing this ? LarstiQ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On 17 Nov 2001, Philip Hands wrote: lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Philip Hands« am 2001-11-16 um 14:54:25 + : What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. Hm, what about people who don't have a fast and cheap internet connection? Where should they get Debian? Or people who dont have an internet connection at all cos thats what they want to install Debian for ?? Hi Lance, They get them from you, obviously :-) :) I doubt we'll do this for woody though. I was just seeing if anyone knew any reasons why we might not eventually do this, given that keeping images is going to get progressively more difficult, what with the increasing numbers of packages and architectures, and the advent of DVDs, and the possibility of doing tuned CDs for specialist purposes. Yes but at least keeping a 'standard' set of iso images means that you have a reference point. I can see problems when things have changed on the machine that you are trying to 'rebuild' your reference iso's on ... You knwo the MD5sums but just cant get it to build quite the same again ;) Mind you, this may only be relevant to cd vendors :) Regards Lance BTW when can we have a dvd image ?? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Philip Hands« am 2001-11-16 um 14:54:25 + : What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. Hm, what about people who don't have a fast and cheap internet connection? Where should they get Debian? Or people who dont have an internet connection at all cos thats what they want to install Debian for ?? Hi Lance, They get them from you, obviously :-) I wasn't suggesting that we dispense with the whole concept of official cdimages. Simply that we don't bother with all the mirroring, and keeping them on disk, when we can instead simply distribute a jigdo recipe and then have people build their own bit-for-bit copy of the official CD image. This being despite the fact that the official CD image would have been discarded after the MD5SUMs had been calculated, and jigdo had extracted the information needed to rebuild it. A bit like defining a meter in terms of the speed of light in a vacuum, and then throwing away the official meter, on the basis that anyone that needs a physical meter can build their own, using a torch, a good stopwatch, and a space-shuttle ;-) I doubt we'll do this for woody though. I was just seeing if anyone knew any reasons why we might not eventually do this, given that keeping images is going to get progressively more difficult, what with the increasing numbers of packages and architectures, and the advent of DVDs, and the possibility of doing tuned CDs for specialist purposes. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)118 9545656]http://www.hands.com/ |-| Philip Hands Computing Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| Unit 1, Cherry Close, Caversham, Reading RG4 8UP ENGLAND -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: Assuming that people who want to use Debian are not dummies ;-), if they go to a site called cdimage, I expect they'll want to get CD images, and probably have reasons for not wanting to install via the network. Myself, I'd want to download the images even if I had a permanent net connection, because I might want to install Debian on a friend's machine at one point, or use it for rescue booting when my system is broken, etc. etc... Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Richard Atterer wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: Assuming that people who want to use Debian are not dummies ;-), if they go to a site called cdimage, I expect they'll want to get CD images, and probably have reasons for not wanting to install via the network. They might have, and then the will continue to scan the list of options. Thing is that you stop when you see something that matches what you want. If you know you don't want a network install for some reason, you move on quickly. If you are a newbie that is unsure, they might very well not read the part about network installs being better, since they might already have followed a link (to http downloads or something). But it is a minor point anyway, the important thing is that the webpage is much easier to find stuff on. Myself, I'd want to download the images even if I had a permanent net connection, because I might want to install Debian on a friend's machine at one point, or use it for rescue booting when my system is broken, etc. etc... Same here. I download (over nfs) and burn the image just to have a boot media for a network install. It is easier and less trouble than making floppies. /Mattias Wadenstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Richard Atterer wrote: RA Myself, I'd want to download the images even if I had a permanent net RA connection, because I might want to install Debian on a friend's RA machine at one point, or use it for rescue booting when my system is RA broken, etc. etc... I do the same - an important category of people that cdimage has probably ignored to some degree up to now (and that new page goes a long way to improving this situation - nice work!) is people in my situation i.e. fast pipe at work, slow or non-existent pipe at home. Its no problem for me to download the cd images but the only way to upgrade my installation at home is to burn cds. I know, I could assemble an entire ftp mirror but a) it consumes a lot more space by default than a few iso images and b) despite my familiarity with liunux/unix, I've never had any joy with the piks thingie. Thanks, -stephen -- Stephen Mulcahy, Software Engineer, AO - Multivendor Systems Engineering, Compaq Global Services, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland. tel: +353-91-754584 / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Richard Atterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: It should definitely be the first option. IMO it should be given a status that makes the other options look almost insignificant. There would seem to be a deep seated myth among Debian newbies, that they need a CD to install it. That's fine for those that really do need a CD, but for many it would be better to either get the floppies, or get a small bootstrap CD with just the base system on it, and then do a network install. That's the reason for the current maze. Of course, Jigdo sorts out much of the problem, so perhaps we should switch to providing only jigdo spec files from woody onwards. Do you think jigdo is ready for that? Does jigdo work on windows? What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. The only problem I see is ensuring that we make sure that the right .debs remain available from the archive. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)118 9545656]http://www.hands.com/ |-| Philip Hands Computing Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| Unit 1, Cherry Close, Caversham, Reading RG4 8UP ENGLAND -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Richard Atterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:24:06AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? I've already been asked to do this by someone else. But I'm not sure whether it should really be the first option: It should definitely be the first option. IMO it should be given a status that makes the other options look almost insignificant. There would seem to be a deep seated myth among Debian newbies, that they need a CD to install it. That's fine for those that really do need a CD, but for many it would be better to either get the floppies, or get a small bootstrap CD with just the base system on it, and then do a network install. That's the reason for the current maze. Of course, Jigdo sorts out much of the problem, so perhaps we should switch to providing only jigdo spec files from woody onwards. Do you think jigdo is ready for that? Does jigdo work on windows? What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. The only problem I see is ensuring that we make sure that the right .debs remain available from the archive. Cheers, Phil. This problem is slightly wider than http://cdimage.debian.org It seems that some attention should be paid to clarifying the installation instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/#new-inst and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install (and it's relatives for other architectures). Links to and from these pages would seem sensible in order to make it easier for people to find the information they actually need during installation. My first installation took me a year or more to achieve. I did not manage it until I found the current cdimage site which happened by chance as I recall. The whole install process definately needs work, I have seen many clever people defeated by it, and I applaud your work on cdimage as a step in this direction. regards Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 04:48:35PM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Philip Hands« am 2001-11-16 um 14:54:25 + : What do people think about not actually having official images of the CDs, just jigdo specs, and a signed MD5SUM file. Hm, what about people who don't have a fast and cheap internet connection? Where should they get Debian? You can use jigdo to reassemble the official CD images - think of it as just a different type of pseudo image kit. Phil meant official images, but only available via jigdo. Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:44:46PM +0100, Richard Atterer wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +, Philip Hands wrote: It should definitely be the first option. OK, enough people seem to want this; I'm changing it. Another thing: Does anybody actually offer a downloadable net-install CD image somewhere? I've never seen one so far. snip Browse around on www.debianplanet.org, I am used to the iso ElectricElf made, currently located at http://www.digitaltux.com/elf/ LarstiQ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Redesign of cdimage website
Different topic, so deserves a separate mail! :) In the last months, there have been a number of complaints about the phone maze style structure of the current cdimage website. (Including a complaint from the DPL, I might add... ;-) I've finally pulled myself together and started on a redesigned website - different graphics and site structure, but mostly the same content. I've uploaded the first results to http://cdimage.debian.org/~atterer/. You'll notice that most of the links don't work yet - a lot still remains to be done. How do people like it? Does it stand any chance of eventually replacing http://cdimage.debian.org/? Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ msg02277/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
Previously Richard Atterer wrote: How do people like it? Does it stand any chance of eventually replacing http://cdimage.debian.org/? I already like it a lot more then the current maze. Wichert. -- _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Richard Atterer wrote: How do people like it? Does it stand any chance of eventually replacing http://cdimage.debian.org/? I already like it a lot more then the current maze. ditto. some points i'd make o there are images for both unstable and testing, but only for i386 that i know about. there's someone out there doing images for all the architectures, but i don't have the disk space. i know we carry iso images for unstable and testing, generated by Atilla Nagy from fsn.hu o i assume a number of those links are going to point at verious different mirror lists - are they going to be maintained at cdimage, or use existing ones ? . option 1 (jigdo) - assuming you get the jigdo templates, i assume this just points at the normal debian mirror list ? . option 2 (http/ftp) - a separate list maintained by cdimage of http/ftp sites ? also, there is no mention of rsync here. a number of power users would list that listed. . option 3 (buy) - a separate list maintained by cdimage ? or is there an existing list of cd retailers being maintained somewhere, which breaks down by country ? we (planetmirror.com) don't currently sell CDroms, but we're looking at doing that by user request as well as to help provide some $$ to keep the resources needed for the debian* mirrors here. . you probably want to be a bit less harsh on the PIK description - perhaps quite complex rather than user unfriendly ;-) it looks really good and simple richard - worlds away from the previous complexity which, though well intentioned, had the effect of annoying or confusing (or both) a lot of people. regards, -jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redesign of cdimage website
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Richard Atterer wrote: I've finally pulled myself together and started on a redesigned website - different graphics and site structure, but mostly the same content. I've uploaded the first results to http://cdimage.debian.org/~atterer/. Very nice. You'll notice that most of the links don't work yet - a lot still remains to be done. How do people like it? Does it stand any chance of eventually replacing http://cdimage.debian.org/? It looks much better than it already. One thing: Reorder the list so that Install directly from the network. is the first point, since it is the one we should point most users towards? Otherwise it looks clear and usable. /Mattias Wadenstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
