Release-critical Bugreport for September 8, 2000
Bug stamp-out list for Sep 8 05:1 (CST) Total number of release-critical bugs: 424 Number that will disappear after removing packages marked [REMOVE]: 0 -- Package: afterstep (debian/main) Maintainer: Steven R. Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 69297 afterstep: Pager causes wharf to go wonky Package: apache (debian/main) Maintainer: Johnie Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70023 apache: suidexec is turned on over and over again Package: apache-perl (debian/main) Maintainer: Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70472 AddDefaultCharset problem Package: arla (non-US/main) Maintainer: Gregory S. Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 61706 arla packages are horribly outdated Package: aterm (debian/main) Maintainer: Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70481 +ut doesn't work, ignores xrdb Package: autofs (debian/main) Maintainer: Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70892 autofs may render system unbootable Package: base (pseudo) Maintainer: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 67913 Handling of non-English characters screwed up Package: base-config (debian/main) Maintainer: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70705 base-config_0.36(unstable): error in build dependencies Package: base-passwd (debian/main) Maintainer: Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 52065 [hurd] does not compile 69819 base-passwd: update-passwd fails when a group has too many members Package: bigbrother (debian/non-free) Maintainer: Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 63596 Security Alert: Big Brother exploit 64291 Does break on install not kept up to date 67112 bigbrother: Yet an other security bug in bigbrother Package: bigloo (debian/main) Maintainer: Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46586 depends on libgc4-dev, which is not installable 66693 bigloo: bigloo depends on libgc4-dev which does not appear to be available 69721 bigloo: gc headers broken for sparc build Package: blacs-mpi (debian/main) Maintainer: Philipp Frauenfelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] 71067 blacs-mpi_1.1-12(unstable): build error Package: bock (debian/main) Maintainer: Charles Briscoe-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70903 bock is not installable Package: bookmarker (debian/main) Maintainer: Raphael Bossek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 66245 [woody] bookmarker is not installable Package: boot-floppies (debian/main) Maintainer: Debian Install System Team debian-boot@lists.debian.org 68021 [CVS-fixed] Can't locate/configure modules with compact set 69161 boot-floppies: installer fails to create bootable system on ``oldworld'' PowerMacs 69959 [CVS-fixed] 1.2M root.bin is just nulls 70891 [m68k, potato] Missing documentation Package: bugs.debian.org (pseudo) Maintainer: Darren O. Benham [EMAIL PROTECTED] 69406 Web pages not updated Package: bwap (debian/main) Maintainer: Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 64155 bwap: help system not working Package: cdrdao (debian/main) Maintainer: Martin Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 66998 [woody] cdrdao depends on libgtkmm (= 1.0.3-1), which is no longer available 70534 cdrdao is not Installable Package: ckermit (debian/non-free) Maintainer: Vaidhyanathan G Mayilrangam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 54901 ckermit: Package disappeared from ftp.debian.org Package: clanlib0-common (debian/main) Maintainer: Vaidhyanathan G Mayilrangam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 53169 clanbomber: crashes on the loading pic; previous versions did not 61601 This package violates Debian policy Package: clisp (debian/main) Maintainer: Kevin Dalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 62116 clisp_2000-03-06-1(unstable): m68k build error [woody] Package: communicator-base-472 (debian/non-free) Maintainer: Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70041 Communicator constantly forgets my old settings Package: communicator-dmotif-408 (debian/non-free) Maintainer: Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 48163 Cannot coexist with current LessTif package. Package: console-apt (debian/main) Maintainer: Patrick Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70909 console-apt: [Potato-update] will not install on Woody, possible potato Package: console-tools (debian/main) Maintainer: Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 65064 [woody] After update consol unusable because of /etc/console-tools/default.kmap.gz Package: cooledit (debian/main) Maintainer: Tom Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70630 cooledit: Uses 100% processor time when idling Package: courier-imap (debian/main) Maintainer: Steve Haslam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 63400 [woody] depends on libmysqlclient6 Package: courier-imap-authldap (debian/main) Maintainer: Steve Haslam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 68423 courier-imap-authldap: doesn't work Package: cracklib2 (debian/main) Maintainer: Jean Pierre LeJacq [EMAIL PROTECTED] 69187 /usr/lib/debhelper used instead of /usr/share/debhelper/ Package: cthugha (debian/non-free) Maintainer: Debian QA Group debian-qa@lists.debian.org 70624 must depend on libgl1 and not on mesag3 Package: curves (debian/main) Maintainer: Oscar Levi [EMAIL
Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible
Gregor == Gregor Hoffleit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Gregor 1) Ignore Python 1.6 and up, as long as the license is not compatible Gregorwith the GPL. That's probably the easiest way to go, but is it Gregorjustified ? Looks like a deliberate discrimination against a GregorDFSG-free license, only because it's not GPL compatible. Gregor 2) Include both Python 1.5.2 and 1.6 in woody/main. The 1.6 packages Gregorwould not satisfy the dependencies of existing packages; any maintainer Gregorwho'd make a package depend on Python 1.6 would have to make sure that Gregorits license is compatible with the Python 1.6 license. Gregor I think I'd prefer the second solution. What do others think ? Sound judgement, I'd say... and from what I gathered on c.l.py, 1.6 isn't that important anyway (they mainly did it because they promised CNRI they'd do 1.6 as a CNRI release). So, let's wait for 2.0 (final, or at least a beta with an improved license) and do that one. Bye, J -- Jürgen A. Erhard[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (GERMANY) 0721 27326 MARS: http://members.tripod.com/Juergen_Erhard/mars_index.html Give a man fire and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. pgpOFPIE3NwTz.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes. get an ISP that can do reverse DNS. YEESHHH! I'll happily bounce their mail until then. Are you willing to pay the difference between the cost of that user's current ISP and one which meets your standard? Until then, you have absolutely no right to tell someone what ISP they should use. For some, the option of getting another ISP is unaffordable or even impossible in some regions of the world. This is sometimes true even in the US, especially if you require more than a modem connection. A server on the 'net without matching forward/reverse DNS is broken. Period. What if someones ISP drops 50% of all messages. Should the Debian mailinglist servers simply send all messages 4 times so that the chance is bigger of the recipient actually getting the message? Ofcourse not, because the ISP should fix the mailserver instead since it is broken. The DNS issue is *exactly* the same. The fact that it happens to work some or even most of the time doesn't make it less broken. Mike. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 02:52:33PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: [puzzled] For some reason the .dsc file was the old one. I've uploaded the correct one, so everything should be OK now. Thanks for the warning. No problem. I see they have been installed now. -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - yip yip yip yip yip yip yap yap yip *BANG* NO TERRIER - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpJBh69buxyA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-move problem
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:20:19PM -0400, Steve Robbins wrote: On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: My current problem with apt-move is that it wants to delete every single deb file I have (instead of only those that have never versions on hand). Also, it makes completely empty Packages.gz files for me. I dunno about the first, but I have seen the second problem. In my case, it was caused by a bug in dpk-scanpackages (from dpkg-dev); see bug #51479 in BTS. apt-move does not use dpkg-scanpackages (it used to, but not any more.) -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Documentation - The worst part of programming. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpevAraql6f3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-move problem
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My current problem with apt-move is that it wants to delete every
single deb file I have (instead of only those that have never
versions on hand). Also, it makes completely empty Packages.gz
How about a bug report then? You did run apt-move fsck when you first
upgraded didn't you?
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Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:16:28PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: In Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:10:32 +1100 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] cum veritate scripsit : I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me that there was enough info in there for reportbug just to use /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver it, rather than using an MUA at all. Some people do not have sendmail. I use imput for internet mail, and sendmail only reaches my local network. Maybe I'm weird. Well, /usr/sbin/sendmail should be a link or wrapper for your MTA. On my system it is a symbolic link to exim. You don't have to actually use sendmail. Now if your /usr/sbin/sendmail can't actually deliver real mail, then that's a weird setup.. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-move problem
Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:20:19PM -0400, Steve Robbins wrote:
I dunno about the first, but I have seen the second problem. In my case,
it was caused by a bug in dpk-scanpackages (from dpkg-dev); see bug #51479
in BTS.
apt-move does not use dpkg-scanpackages (it used to, but not any more.)
Actually apt-move does use dpkg-scanpackages (and dpkg-scansources), but
it caches their results so they're never run twice on the same package.
This occurs when apt-move first moves the packages in, which is why you must
never move packages in by hand (at least not without doing an fsck later).
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Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:41:30PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Perhaps it's from being too geeky myself, but Branden's explanation (the recipient of the error message is not welcome on *THEIR* Internet under the reasoning that they're ... refusing connections from machines It was the bit about dialup trash - inability to get reverse DNS working is a different issue. My reverse DNS does not match my forward DNS. I have @home. Only broadband service available here. I think the quality @home's NT-based servicess is world-renown at this point. So let's not even start there, because I'm going to be very upset when people start suggesting I need a couple thousand a month for a decent T1 connection in order to be considered a good net citizen. You can't even get ISDN here. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 Knghtbrd 2fort5 sucks enough to have its own gravity ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 04:33:09PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: My reverse DNS does not match my forward DNS. I have @home. Only They don't need to match. Your IP just needs to resolve to something, and that something needs to resolve back to your IP. This has no effect on what From: addresses and envelope senders you can use. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host 24.22.127.210 Name: cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com Address: 24.22.127.210 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com A 24.22.127.210 There is no reason your mail shouldn't work properly with these settings (apart from being listed on the DUL). If you'd like, I'll add you a line in my access control to allow you to relay through my server. I'm sure there are many other people on this list who would offer the same. broadband service available here. I think the quality @home's NT-based servicess is world-renown at this point. So let's not even start there, because I'm going to be very upset when people start suggesting I need a couple thousand a month for a decent T1 connection in order to be considered a good net citizen. You can't even get ISDN here. ssh -L 25:localhost:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:47:01AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: I don't see us making this kind of check for code written in perl, or code wirtten in C, or any other language. Perl is available under two licenses: GPL + Artistic. Not much room for a reasonable person to introduce conflict there. C runtime support (libraries) is typically available under very reasonable terms, for example, the LGPL. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:44:06PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: yes. get an ISP that can do reverse DNS. YEESHHH! I'll happily bounce their mail until then. Are you willing to pay the difference between the cost of that user's current ISP and one which meets your standard? Until then, you have absolutely no right to tell someone what ISP they should use. For some, the option of getting another ISP is unaffordable or even impossible in some regions of the world. This is sometimes true even in the US, especially if you require more than a modem connection. A server on the 'net without matching forward/reverse DNS is broken. Period. Complete bullshit. Show me the RFC that says you may only have one DNS name attached to an IP at a time. You can't do it because it doesn't exist. Several Debian developers have debian.net subdomains which do not reverse because they have no control over their DNS even though their IP addresses are static. My static IP address with @home (yes, I did convince them to give me one) is cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com as far as they are concerned. I have no desire to use that hostname on my email, so I have this: tank.debian.net A 24.22.127.210 This is perfectly legal practice according to every RFC I have ever read. It is also quite legitimate for my system to declare that it is tank.debian.net which does indeed resolve to a valid IP address. The fact people such as yourself would add the additional requirement that 24.22.127.210 resolve back to tank.debian.net has nothing to do with what the RFC's state is correct. If I file a bug against a package and my report is bounced as probably spam, I will NMU the package immediately without discussion or further attempts at a warning. As a Debian developer, you have an obligation to maintain your packages. If you wish to act stupid regarding your mail policies that's fine - until it interferes with maintaining packages. At that point, it affects all of us. What if someones ISP drops 50% of all messages. Should the Debian mailinglist servers simply send all messages 4 times so that the chance is bigger of the recipient actually getting the message? Ofcourse not, because the ISP should fix the mailserver instead since it is broken. The DNS issue is *exactly* the same. The fact that it happens to work some or even most of the time doesn't make it less broken. Once again, complete bullshit. There is absolutely nothing anywhere which states an IP address may only have one name or that if it has more than one, you must use only the primary DNS for which you have reverse set up. Requiring that the name an IP reverses to also being able to resolve to the IP is a different matter if you're willing to jump through the lookup hoops to make sure the reverse name is actually the machine in question. How this would combat spam, I have no idea, but if you found such a system it would indeed be very broken. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 Dr^Nick SGI_Multitexture is bad voodoo now Dr^Nick ARB is good voodoo witten no, voodoo rush is bad voodoo :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:00:39PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: Complete bullshit. Show me the RFC that says you may only have one DNS name attached to an IP at a time. You can't do it because it doesn't exist. Several Debian developers have debian.net subdomains which do not reverse because they have no control over their DNS even though their IP addresses are static. My static IP address with @home (yes, I did convince them to give me one) is cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com as far as they are concerned. I have no desire to use that hostname on my email, so I have this: tank.debian.net A 24.22.127.210 There is no problem with that.. Every mail that leaves my system comes from 207.99.50.34 and I host over 50 domains here. This is perfectly legal practice according to every RFC I have ever read. It is also quite legitimate for my system to declare that it is tank.debian.net which does indeed resolve to a valid IP address. The fact people such as yourself would add the additional requirement that 24.22.127.210 resolve back to tank.debian.net has nothing to do with what the RFC's state is correct. If I file a bug against a package and my report is bounced as probably spam, I will NMU the package immediately without discussion or further attempts at a warning. As a Debian developer, you have an obligation to maintain your packages. If you wish to act stupid regarding your mail policies that's fine - until it interferes with maintaining packages. At that point, it affects all of us. 24.22/16 is not listed on the DUL anwyay. Whoever is bouncing your mail must have manually added you to their spam filters, or possibly all of 24/8. --Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:37:25PM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: My reverse DNS does not match my forward DNS. I have @home. Only They don't need to match. Your IP just needs to resolve to something, and that something needs to resolve back to your IP. This has no effect on what From: addresses and envelope senders you can use. Miquel van Smoorenburg and others seem to think that they do need to match. if you connect to my IP, you will see that neither 24.22.127.210 nor cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com appear in the greeting. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host 24.22.127.210 Name: cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com Address: 24.22.127.210 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com A 24.22.127.210 There is no reason your mail shouldn't work properly with these settings (apart from being listed on the DUL). If you'd like, I'll add you a line in my access control to allow you to relay through my server. I'm sure there are many other people on this list who would offer the same. I do not appear to be listed with the DUL, so far as I know. A couple of hosts seem to reject 24.* or something, but I'm not overly worried about them. I _AM_ worried about people who want to make it worse by adding additional arbitrary requirements before they accept mail related to Debian. It's somewhat amusing that the blacklist people seem to have blacklisted eachother, though. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 Pacific Bell Customer Service, this is [..], how can I provide you with excellent customer service today? HAHAHAHAHA!! That's good, I like it.. Um, thanks, they make us say that. -- knghtbrd and a pacbell rep, name removed to protect her job -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:16:23PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:37:25PM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: My reverse DNS does not match my forward DNS. I have @home. Only They don't need to match. Your IP just needs to resolve to something, and that something needs to resolve back to your IP. This has no effect on what From: addresses and envelope senders you can use. Miquel van Smoorenburg and others seem to think that they do need to match. if you connect to my IP, you will see that neither 24.22.127.210 nor cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com appear in the greeting. So? Anyone who asked for that would be unreasonable. Besides, nobody's mail server is telneting to your port 25 to see what your SMTP greeting says -- that would be insane. It's a simple double-lookup. The PTR record is queried, and checked to see if it matches that particular A record. Not all MTA's even do this. The only other check that some MTA's perform is checking that the domain in the Mail From: header (the envelope sender) is a real domain. To sum up, your particular problem is not with DNS, it's with some fool arbitrarily blocking either you in particular, or some larger network which includes you. --Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:44:06PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: A server on the 'net without matching forward/reverse DNS is broken. Period. Complete bullshit. Show me the RFC that says you may only have one DNS name attached to an IP at a time. You can't do it because it doesn't exist. Go and read the (according to you non-existant) RFC 1912 Several Debian developers have debian.net subdomains which do not reverse because they have no control over their DNS even though their IP addresses are static. Doesn't matter. As long as getipaddr(gethostname(ipaddr)) == ipaddr, and that is the case. gethostname(getipaddr(hostname)) == hostname doesn't have to match, in fact for an incoming connection you can't even check that fact. So your arguments are bogus. Wait - you are talking about the envelope address. No mail server I know of does a check of this kind against the envelope address. Just a quick check to see if the domain resolves is usually all that is done. My static IP address with @home (yes, I did convince them to give me one) is cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com as far as they are concerned. I have no desire to use that hostname on my email, so I have this: tank.debian.net A 24.22.127.210 No problem, but you *really* should have this entry: tank.debian.net A 24.22.127.210 MX 50 cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com. MX 100 some.friendly.fallback.host. This is perfectly legal practice according to every RFC I have ever read. Yes. There are also perfectly legal ways to avoid paying tax. Does that also mean that that was how the lawmakers intended it ? It is also quite legitimate for my system to declare that it is tank.debian.net which does indeed resolve to a valid IP address. The fact people such as yourself would add the additional requirement that 24.22.127.210 resolve back to tank.debian.net has nothing to do with what the RFC's state is correct. No, if you connect to my server, I can only see that you are connecting from 24.22.127.210. That resolves to cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com, which in turn resolves back to 24.22.127.210. Your DNS is perfectly valid. If I file a bug against a package and my report is bounced as probably spam, I will NMU the package immediately without discussion or further attempts at a warning. Ah. Now, what if the report bounces because the mail server from my ISP is badly configured/maintained, and it looks like a spam bounce but isn't really. Should I get another ISP? Oops, redo mailthread from start. Mike. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:19:06PM -0300, Ben Woodhead wrote: First I would like to give my appologies, I was not aware of the incomming directory and I have been told that kde will be included. I would also like to say that I personally do not use kde nor am a developer for them, my consern was with the conflicts between linux. Competition is a good thing, unless its taken to far and as of yet I have not seen anybody that was talking about the lisence tell the community that the problem has been resolved and we are glad to hear it. This was never about competition or trying to rag on KDE because of Gnome. It was always about licensing. The licensing issues are resolved, so KDE is being uploaded. ps I did not mean it in a flaming sort of way, although re-reading the letter gave me that feeling, please make a statement to the community, you are a very important part of it, and as of yet debian has not made a comment, FSF made a condesending comment (I don't know if it was afficial or not but its been on the top of every news site). Richard's comment was apparently on the order of It's about time, which apparently managed to peeve the KDE people who felt they needed to flame him publicly over it.. *sigh* 3 years from now we will still be seeing this argument. People such as yourself who don't know the whole story before they start writing, and those who deliberately wish to troll for flames. Fortunately, my part of it is done - KDE is being uploaded to Debian now to join Qt in main. Unfortunately, not by any action of KDE. Troll Tech made the decision. KDE and Debian both benefit. I can speak for a sizable portion of Debian when I say regardless of how the resolution came about, we're happy with it (and in fact, most of us are absolutely delighted that Qt is now available under the GPL, even if it means that KDE essentially did nothing to clean up their own mess..) The argument is over, despite some lingering distrust. It's time for KDE to get back to coding and Debian to get back to packaging. Show's over, nothing to see here, move along. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 BenC -include ../../debian/el33t.h BenC sendmail build...strange header name :) isildur hahaha * netgod laffs netgod BenC: can u tell i used to maintain sendmail? :P BenC heh :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:52:04PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: Fortunately, my part of it is done - KDE is being uploaded to Debian now to join Qt in main. Unfortunately, not by any action of KDE. Troll Tech made the decision. KDE and Debian both benefit. I can speak for a sizable portion of Debian when I say regardless of how the resolution came about, we're happy with it (and in fact, most of us are absolutely delighted that Qt is now available under the GPL, even if it means that KDE essentially did nothing to clean up their own mess..) While I agree with most of your points, I must point out that Troll fixing this is far the right solution than KDE changing their licensing. If you like, I can go into details, but I'd prefer to keep that to private email -- the details don't in any way enhance debian development. Thanks, -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternatives to ftp.debian.org
Dale Scheetz wrote: Is there any better way to pick a useful ftp site for upgrading? Automatically or by hand? By hand I run the list of mirrors (http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors) thru netselect to get the best one for the machine I'm on, then stick that in sources.list. HTH, -- Matt Taggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks
At 10:13 PM 09/07/2000 +, you wrote: I don't object to a web-browser, personally. I do object to having to install and configure a Web server (!!) to set up the machine, for the same reason I object to needing a Web server to view documentation (eg, doc-central depends on apache). Webmin has it's own webserver built in (via perl). No external webserver required. In fact, I believe that a base system will provide everything needed. Jaldhar said he's changed the package to remove the libnet-ssleay-perl depends. which leaves (and I don't have his current version to check) Depends: perl5, debconf any reason it can't use debconf-tiny? I don't see why not... No reason a small webmin stripped down to just Debian configuration requirements couldn't fire up and allow complete remote configuration of a box. Imagine, you stick in a boot floppy/CD, it grabs the base-package from the net, unpacks it, and then goes into 'configure me' mode, by running mini-webmin. You could add users, configs, more stuff via apt, etc, all from a remote machine. You might never have to log in at the console EVER, if it's a server. In fact, with a scripty boot floppy/CD, you wouldn't need a monitor or a keyboard to ever be hooked up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-move problem
On Sep 07 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: It's a bug in bash. You may work around it by setting ash as your /bin/sh shell instead of bash. I'm using two boxes here, one with potato and another (my guinea pig) with woody. I'm seeing the problem above on the machine with woody (which I corrected by manually editing the apt-move script). My current problem with apt-move is that it wants to delete every single deb file I have (instead of only those that have never versions on hand). Also, it makes completely empty Packages.gz files for me. Now that I have made Packages.gz file by hand, I'm affraid to use `apt-move packages' and overwrite them to test anything. :-( And I'm seeing this problem in the potato box. I also noticed that that if I used apt-get autoclean, it would delete some packages that apt had just downloaded (from security.debian.org, perhaps? I can't remember). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITP: Gwydion Dylan
I need to work with Gwydion Dylan, and noticed we don't currently have a package for it. I vaguely remember someone talking about it long ago, but don't remember what became of it. I intend to package this Dylan implementation unless someone else is already doing so. I don't see any mention in WNPP or the mailing list archives. Thanks, -Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:00:39PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:44:06PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: A server on the 'net without matching forward/reverse DNS is broken. Period. Complete bullshit. Show me the RFC that says you may only have one DNS name attached to an IP at a time. nobody claimed that it did. i'd accuse you of inventing straw-men arguments just to prove your point but i don't believe you're anywhere near smart enough to even attempt thati'll put it down to stupidity rather than malice. You can't do it because it doesn't exist. Several Debian developers have debian.net subdomains which do not reverse because they have no control over their DNS even though their IP addresses are static. My static IP address with @home (yes, I did convince them to give me one) is cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com as far as they are concerned. I have no desire to use that hostname on my email, so I have this: tank.debian.net A 24.22.127.210 This is perfectly legal practice according to every RFC I have ever read. It is also quite legitimate for my system to declare that it is tank.debian.net which does indeed resolve to a valid IP address. The fact people such as yourself would add the additional requirement that 24.22.127.210 resolve back to tank.debian.net has nothing to do with what the RFC's state is correct. as usual, you don't have the faintest clue of what you are talking about. as usual, you are getting all flustered and distressed over your own idiotic misunderstanding of what is going on. the fact that there is an A record for tank.debian.net pointing to the IP address is completely and utterly irrelevant. those sites which do reverse lookup checks for incoming connections do one (or both) of two things: 1. check that there is a .in-addr.arpa PTR record the IP address in question. 2. check that the .in-addr.arpa PTR record is actually correct. e.g. if the server does a lookup on 24.22.127.210 and finds the PTR record which says that it is cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com, then it will immediately do a lookup on cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com to make sure that it has an A record pointing to 24.22.127.210. this is what TCP Wrappers calls a PARANOID check. note that tank.debian.net does not enter the picture at all. it is irrelevant to the check under discussion. since the .in-addr.arpa PTR record does not mention tank.debian.net at all, the server does not and CAN NOT know or care anything about that name. whether failure of either or both of the above checks is a valid reason for bouncing mail is another matter entirely (and, IMO, it is not valid). some other sites check whether the SMTP envelope HELO/EHLO hostname exists. some even check whether it resolves to the IP address of the incoming connection. these have nothing to do with reverse DNS lookups, and the question of whether they are good policy or not is debatable (IMO the former is OK, the latter is not). craig -- craig sanders -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:10:12AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:00:39PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:44:06PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: [snip, snip, snippety-snip] Ladies and Gentlemen, I just joined the debian-devel list yesterday, all excited about being able to possibly contribute code and insights to the installation system to make it more palatable to those who would like to install the OS in 5 minutes a la Kickstart/Jumpstart. Maybe I'd even build some .debs for software for which there are none yet. However, the first thing I see is some pointless bickering about DNS and email. I am now very turned off because instead of seeing a bunch of bright developers, I'm seeing a voluminous amount of off-topic flaming. I suspect that Debian development would move a lot faster if you stopped worrying about relatively inane administrivia like whether fwd/rev DNS entries match and instead moved on with coding and QA. Everyone has a different security philosophy and we all have to learn to deal with that. As an olive branch, I'm not even going to bother offering my opinion on the matter at hand. ;-) So, who wants to talk about installation? -- Michael S. Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Otterley _O_ Lead Hacketeer, Dynamine Consulting, Silicon Valley, CA | Phone: +1 650 533 4684 | AIM: IsThisOtterley | ICQ: 4218323 | From the bricks of shame is built the hope--Alan Wilder net.goth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help updating calendar
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:20:53PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Duplicated events needs to be removed from the yearly calendar.judaic files. I don't understand what you mean by this. Please could you be a little more specific? Has the format of the files changed or something? Perhaps you can give me an example (private email would be fine). Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: Gwydion Dylan
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:05:02PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote: I need to work with Gwydion Dylan, and noticed we don't currently have a package for it. I vaguely remember someone talking about it long ago, but don't remember what became of it. I intend to package this Dylan implementation unless someone else is already doing so. I don't see any mention in WNPP or the mailing list archives. I believe someone's already packaged Gwydion Dylan. ii gwydion-dylan 2.3.1-1A Dylan-to-C batch compiler. ii gwydion-dylan- 2.3.1-1Tools used for recompiling Gwydion Dylan. ii mindy 2.3.1-1A Dylan interpreter. But hey, I'm glad someone else is interested in advanced languages. Cheers, Bill -- I invented the term Object-Oriented, and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind. -- Alan Kay -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ITP: Gwydion Dylan
I believe someone's already packaged Gwydion Dylan. ii gwydion-dylan 2.3.1-1A Dylan-to-C batch compiler. ii gwydion-dylan- 2.3.1-1Tools used for recompiling Gwydion Dylan. ii mindy 2.3.1-1A Dylan interpreter. But hey, I'm glad someone else is interested in advanced languages. I believe these are old libc5 packages. The Gwydion team is certainly not aware of any current Debian packaging activities, certainly since they moved to 2.3.3/2.4pre1. I'd be happy to be proved wrong -- but I can't find Dylan in the potato or woody FTP archives, WNPP, bug tracking, or in our mailing list entries. Anyone know if this was orphaned? Thanks, -Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help updating calendar
A calendar.wicca-n and calendar.wicca-s file would also be appreciated. Note that the sabbats and esbats are reversed between northern and southern hemispheres due to being agriculturaly-based. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Marco d'Itri wrote: A calendar.hindu file is needed for 2000/2001 and the yearly calendar.christian needs to be updated to the new syntax. Duplicated events needs to be removed from the yearly calendar.judaic files. I'll also be happy to add the events of your religion of choice. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: QT on alpha potato does not compile
Looks like i spoke too soon. The qt2.2-2.2.0-2906 package that was installed into master today dies during compile (despite working around the optimiser bug...there's something going wrong with the build procedure I believe). I'll be filing a bug against qt2.2 once I figure out what's going on exactly, but I'll leave the gcc bug filing to you. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Ullrich Martini wrote: I am trying to compile qt 2.2 on a alpha with potato, g++ 2.95.2-13 using rkrustys patches from the intel qt 2.2 diffs. I get lots of internal compiler errors on the files generated by moc (moc_*.cpp), and uic segfaults when compiling tools/designer/designer/listboxeditor.ui It looks like a alpha-gcc problem. The internal compiler errors go away if the files are compiled without optimization. I will file a bug against gcc because of that. The uic problem occurred when building the designer. I think the Qt designer should go into a separate package anyway. The kde people had similiar bugs against kde2 betas in their bugtracking system, but they closed them because they had a modified version of qt which appearently fixed the problems. It looks like those patches didn't find their way back to the trolls. Anyway, did someone succeed in building qt-2.2 on a alpha/potato? thanks, Ullrich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: Gwydion Dylan
At some point in the past, I wrote: I believe someone's already packaged Gwydion Dylan. On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:43:05PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote: I believe these are old libc5 packages. The Gwydion team is certainly not aware of any current Debian packaging activities, certainly since they moved to 2.3.3/2.4pre1. I'd be happy to be proved wrong -- but I can't find Dylan in the potato or woody FTP archives, WNPP, bug tracking, or in our mailing list entries. Anyone know if this was orphaned? It appears that these were never officially part of Debian. Those packages originated from ftp://folk.federated.com/pub/gd/DEB/potato and http://www.gwydiondylan.org/downloading.phtml is what pointed me there. It looks like you might be in good shape, though I'm quite far from anything like a final say on this matter. Sorry I didn't do more fact checking before posting previously. Cheers, Bill -- In a 100 years C++ will be remembered as one of humanity's biggest mistakes. -- Miguel de Icaza, private communication -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-move problem
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:24:09AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: apt-move does not use dpkg-scanpackages (it used to, but not any more.) Actually apt-move does use dpkg-scanpackages (and dpkg-scansources), but it caches their results so they're never run twice on the same package. This occurs when apt-move first moves the packages in, which is why you must never move packages in by hand (at least not without doing an fsck later). my apologies.. I was under the impression that the new method used dpkg -I magic. sorry for confusion. -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Bother, said Pooh, as he heard, Will the Defendant please rise. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpbXIH7vd5cT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:16:23PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:37:25PM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: My reverse DNS does not match my forward DNS. I have @home. Only They don't need to match. Your IP just needs to resolve to something, and that something needs to resolve back to your IP. This has no effect on what From: addresses and envelope senders you can use. Miquel van Smoorenburg and others seem to think that they do need to match. if you connect to my IP, you will see that neither 24.22.127.210 nor cc659474-a.indnpls1.in.home.com appear in the greeting. Maybe it is because they've read over RFC1912 Section 2.1: Many services available on the Internet will not talk to you if you aren't correctly registered in the DNS. Make sure your PTR and A records match. For every IP address, there should be a matching PTR record in the in-addr.arpa domain. If you feel that the way you use DNS is broad enough, why not write up an RFC? Anand -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-move problem
Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:24:09AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
This occurs when apt-move first moves the packages in, which is why you m=
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never move packages in by hand (at least not without doing an fsck later).
my apologies.. I was under the impression that the new method used dpkg -I
magic.
dpkg-scanpackages actually calls dpkg-deb -I :)
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ftp.debian.org bug cleanup
# potato bugs for next point release retitle 58389 [POTATO] Potato has no sdr retitle 48238 [POTATO] package priorities for potato retitle 56936 [POTATO] Wrong package priorities in potato. retitle 70661 [POTATO] pcmcia-cs (= 3.1.19) for potato? # miscellaneous bug cleanup # (something has been done, but the bug wasnt closed, the bug # doesnt apply anymore, or it is a feature request for dinstall.) severity 32790 wishlist retitle 49810 dinstall: check case in non-US uploads retitle 66531 dinstall: problems when package changes from upstream to native? retitle 60935 dinstall: mkmaintainers bug merge 47989 59149 thanks If anybody has problems with this cleanup, please, go ahead and reopen any bugs that you feel are not resolved, and post more info. ** reopening only is not satisfactory :P ** to have a look, - http://bugs.debian.org/ftp.debian.org and check any resolved bugs by me. If you recieved a closure message as the submitter, please check what was done was what you wanted.. since I have done so many in one big foul swoop, I am almost sure I would have made a mistake somewhere... These bugs have had action taken, and are being closed. (Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]): 65994, 70758, 64828, 62849, 63330, 61676, 48902, 58306, 60334, 64894, 64936, 65024, 65380, 65766, 66710, 66977, 67183, 69342, 69349, 69460, 69492, 69549, 69574, 69683, 69883, 69987, 60205, 70393, 70511, 70532, 70538, 64454 All of these are slink only and are being closed. (Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]): 62796, 39939, 66565, 52776, 53967, 54195, 55094, 57301, 62169, 48225, 53900, 53683 miscellaneous bug cleanup (something has been done, but the bug wasnt closed, the bug doesnt apply anymore, or it is a feature request for dinstall) (Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]): 42599, 69318, 48920, 53412, 53942, 55168, 55629, 57506, 59163, 60888, 61652, 69850, 69878, 61994, 62259, 62552, 63793, 64765, 68870, 69680, 70449 -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - If it can't be fixed with Vise-Grips duct tape, it can't be fixed. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Re: apt-move problem
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 02:04:29PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: my apologies.. I was under the impression that the new method used dpkg -I magic. dpkg-scanpackages actually calls dpkg-deb -I :) bah.. the bug was said to be in dpkg-scanpackages -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - liw for p in `SELECT people FROM #[sekrit] WHERE personality CONTAINS gentle`; do greet done - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgp6Ais0O3YNk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 06:20:46PM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: So? Anyone who asked for that would be unreasonable. Besides, nobody's mail server is telneting to your port 25 to see what your SMTP greeting says -- that would be insane. It's a simple double-lookup. The PTR record is queried, and checked to see if it matches that particular A record. Not all MTA's even do this. The only other check that some MTA's perform is checking that the domain in the Mail From: header (the envelope sender) is a real domain. To sum up, your particular problem is not with DNS, it's with some fool arbitrarily blocking either you in particular, or some larger network which includes you. I don't have such a problem. As you have agreed, any such requirement would be unreasonable, so why are we arguing? -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 === This letter is the Honor System Virus If you are running a Macintosh, OS/2, Unix, or Linux computer, please randomly delete several files from your hard disk drive and forward this message to everyone you know. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ftp.debian.org bug cleanup
wasnt closed, the bug doesnt apply anymore, or it is a feature request for dinstall) (Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]): er... the feature requests for dinstall were in the control stuff at the top.. sorry, I didnt close them :P -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - With code like Microsoft's, who needs viruses??? - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpJnzdjuNzfP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:20:02PM -0700, Michael S. Fischer wrote: I just joined the debian-devel list yesterday, all excited [...] I am now very turned off because instead of seeing a bunch of bright developers, I'm seeing a voluminous amount of off-topic flaming. Welcome to Debian. -- G. Branden Robinson | Measure with micrometer, Debian GNU/Linux| mark with chalk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | cut with axe, http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | hope like hell. pgpsP8zwbSSRY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: intent to package countrycodes
Until these basic packaging paradigms are mastered, I don't think this package is fit for uploading yet. Perhaps you should ask for more help in debian-mentors (which is for helping new maintainers)? Besides, there's the little fact that the package is totally useless =). $ grep ^AR /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab AR Argentina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2
Um, sorry if I'm missing something, but I can do apt-get source pkg as any user, and it downloads and unpacks the source for me nicely. This is something a common user must be able to do: - download a source package. - change some file inside the package (a Makefile? change a define in a .h?). - recompile. This is not easily doable with this new source package scheme, so: I don't like it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-move problem
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Arthur Korn wrote: That was ~250M before ... oops. Time to use http and squid May be you are more lucky than me with http and squid. It tokk me several month to find out, why apt-get has problems with MD5 checksums on all my packages. Yesterday I found out that I have to use ftp (!!) and not http with squid. I really don't know the reason and I would like to hear other experiences. At least I have now a working apt-get again (formerly I was forced to `dpkg -i` all my packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial). If there is any interest I could post my current working solution and the one which fails. Kind regards Andreas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: End of the line for Epic?
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:52:51PM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: I'm wondering if anyone still uses this package anymore. It has been superceded by epic4 for hrmmm it must be several years. Is it time for it to go? It's not like it's broken or it has any hideous bugs, but it's not going anyplace, either. You might be right with all of the talk of epic4 1.0 ... -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 JHM Being overloaded is the sign of a true Debian maintainer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reopened: numbers with ' (for cellspreading) can't be calculated with
reopen 70870 # On 05 Sep 2000, Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # Subject: Fixed in CVS # # This has been fixed in the development tree. # The patch will be in the next release. # # ... then please close it with the next release - the bug is still in # the packages on our ftp-site, isn't it. # # You closed it the second time - the bug is _not_ to be closed when it # is not uploaded yet, right? I don't know if Severity: fixed is for # that? But closing the bug is not the right thing to do, IMHO. Correct # me, if you like # # I sent this also do -devel, to maybe clearify that a little bit. # # So long! # Alfie -- You've been leading a dog's life. Stay off the furniture. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
Micheal == Michael S Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Micheal I just joined the debian-devel list yesterday, all excited about being Micheal able to possibly contribute code and insights to the installation Micheal system to make it more palatable to those who would like to install Micheal the OS in 5 minutes a la Kickstart/Jumpstart. Maybe I'd even build Micheal some .debs for software for which there are none yet. Actally, the naivette inherent in these assumptions is rather touching ... Micheal However, the first thing I see is some pointless bickering about DNS Micheal and email. I am now very turned off because instead of seeing a bunch Micheal of bright developers, I'm seeing a voluminous amount of off-topic Micheal flaming. Welcome to real life, as personified by the Debian mailing lists manoj -- There is nothing so deadly as not to hold up to people the opportunity to do great and wonderful things, if we wish to stimulate them in an active way. Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: QT on alpha potato does not compile
It seems that trying to compile designer without having qt2.2 already installed causes uic not to be able to find libqutil (since it hasn't been installed yet and isn't preloaded). Designer really should be a different source package anyway, IMO, which I'm going to recommend, especially since it requires qt2.2 to be installed before compiling (a build dependency on itself if it remains lumped in with the qt2.2 source package). I'm cc'ing the maintainer in hopes that we can resolve this without filing a bug at this time. C On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Christopher C. Chimelis wrote: Looks like i spoke too soon. The qt2.2-2.2.0-2906 package that was installed into master today dies during compile (despite working around the optimiser bug...there's something going wrong with the build procedure I believe). I'll be filing a bug against qt2.2 once I figure out what's going on exactly, but I'll leave the gcc bug filing to you. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Ullrich Martini wrote: I am trying to compile qt 2.2 on a alpha with potato, g++ 2.95.2-13 using rkrustys patches from the intel qt 2.2 diffs. I get lots of internal compiler errors on the files generated by moc (moc_*.cpp), and uic segfaults when compiling tools/designer/designer/listboxeditor.ui It looks like a alpha-gcc problem. The internal compiler errors go away if the files are compiled without optimization. I will file a bug against gcc because of that. The uic problem occurred when building the designer. I think the Qt designer should go into a separate package anyway. The kde people had similiar bugs against kde2 betas in their bugtracking system, but they closed them because they had a modified version of qt which appearently fixed the problems. It looks like those patches didn't find their way back to the trolls. Anyway, did someone succeed in building qt-2.2 on a alpha/potato? thanks, Ullrich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: QT on alpha potato does not compile
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:34:07AM -0400, Christopher C. Chimelis wrote: It seems that trying to compile designer without having qt2.2 already installed causes uic not to be able to find libqutil (since it hasn't been installed yet and isn't preloaded). Designer really should be a different source package anyway, IMO, which I'm going to recommend, especially since it requires qt2.2 to be installed before compiling (a build dependency on itself if it remains lumped in with the qt2.2 source package). I'm cc'ing the maintainer in hopes that we can resolve this without filing a bug at this time. Yup...I hosed the rules script and had a $(QTDIR)/libs instead of a $(QTDIR)/lib anyways, I'm migrating designer out into a completely seperate package so that we can turn on some of the other features (like kde2 widget support) which breaks the build order...I've fixed thee above problem on my end and once a clean build (from scratch) passes my eyes and I have a few tests done I'll upload and we'll see where we go from there. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:47:01AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Gregor Hoffleit wrote: Still, if 1.6 were to replace 1.5.2, we had to check all packages that depend on Python, if we think their license is still compatible with the new Python license, and remove them if it's not. I'd opt against this. Hm, I'm confused. Are you saying that you think that code written in pthon must have a license that is compatable with python's license? I don't see us making this kind of check for code written in perl, or code wirtten in C, or any other language. That's why I wrote that we have to check the packages that _depend_on_Python_ ;-) No need to worry, I don't want to open that can of worms with a discussion about the relation between interpreted code and the interpreter. I don't see this as an issue here. Still the issue is: A dependency on python-base either says that the package has code written in Python and therefore needs a Python interpreter to run. No problem here. Or are you really only talking about packages that dymanically or statically link with python? Indeed. A dependency may also mean that the package is a binary extension module for the Python interpreter which will be linked dynamically with the interpreter (at some time, when the module is imported). In this case, if the module contains GPL code, I would currently stay away from distributing it with a dependency on Python 1.6. Gregor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: QT on alpha potato does not compile
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: Yup...I hosed the rules script and had a $(QTDIR)/libs instead of a $(QTDIR)/lib Yeah, that'll do it :-P I'll double-check this on my end and see if changing that will fix compilation here. If so, I'll upload this version since you'll be superceding it anyway and I'd like to see the rest of the KDE stuff getting installed into the alpha dirs (not for me personally, I'm a GNOME-head, but for the coolness factor) :-) anyways, I'm migrating designer out into a completely seperate package so that we can turn on some of the other features (like kde2 widget support) which breaks the build order...I've fixed thee above problem on my end and once a clean build (from scratch) passes my eyes and I have a few tests done I'll upload and we'll see where we go from there. Fantastic! Thank you! C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: End of the line for Epic?
Quoting David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm wondering if anyone still uses this package anymore. It has been superceded by epic4 for hrmmm it must be several years. Is it time for it to go? It's not like it's broken or it has any hideous bugs, but it's not going anyplace, either. From popularity-contest data (http://www.debian.org/~apenwarr/popcon/), Vote: Number of people that use this package regularly. Old: Number of people who installed but have not used the package recently. Recent: Upgraded the package too recently for stats to be valid. Unknown: No files in the package were used in the statistics calculation. Package Vote Old Recent Unknown epic4 465627 0 epic19 12012 0 Cheerio, Andrew Stribblehill Systems programmer, IT Service, University of Durham, England -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:52:04PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: Richard's comment was apparently on the order of It's about time, which apparently managed to peeve the KDE people who felt they needed to flame him publicly over it.. *sigh* It was not the harmless about time part those people got angry about. They IMHO righfully complained about RMS' forgiving talk which is more like religious speech from a church or something. If the catholic pope would utter such words it could be silently ignored, though it would be appropriate speech in his ideological context. But RMS speaking like *this* is rather unappropriate and IMHO quite insulting. I wonder if the author of ncftp who was hurting the GPL by using readline and who subsequently put ncftp under GPL as consequence of complaints was asked to beg for being forgiven as well? I guess not, it was just retroactively considered legal, right? Is this then just treatment of the KDE developers? Definitely not! RMS should IMHO publically apologize with the KDE people for this condescending part of his otherwise correct article. He should be wise enough to be careful about the context in which other people might consider certain statements simply derisive. Thank you, P. *8^) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trip to Boston
I will be in Boston for a week beginning today with some email access. Anyone in the area interested in getting together for a keysigning or just some general geekiness, feel free to email me :). Note, however, that my transportation is very limited. -- Mike Markley [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: 0xA9592D4D 62 A7 11 E2 23 AD 4F 57 27 05 1A 76 56 92 D5 F6 GPG: 0x3B047084 7FC7 0DC0 EF31 DF83 7313 FE2B 77A8 F36A 3B04 7084 There's nothing disgusting about it [the Companion]. It's just another life form, that's all. You get used to those things. - McCoy, Metamorphosis, stardate 3219.8 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:01:37AM +0200, Paul Seelig wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:52:04PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: Richard's comment was apparently on the order of It's about time, which apparently managed to peeve the KDE people who felt they needed to flame him publicly over it.. *sigh* It was not the harmless about time part those people got angry about. They IMHO righfully complained about RMS' forgiving talk which is more like religious speech from a church or something. no, it was a legal forgiveness of past violations - i read it as a declaration that, on behalf of the FSF, he was willing to put the past behind him and move on now that the license problem has been resolved. But RMS speaking like *this* is rather unappropriate and IMHO quite insulting. I wonder if the author of ncftp who was hurting the GPL by using readline and who subsequently put ncftp under GPL as consequence of complaints was asked to beg for being forgiven as well? I guess not, it was just retroactively considered legal, right? Is this then just treatment of the KDE developers? Definitely not! the KDE legal fiasco has been a much bigger and much more public problem than the ncftp/readline problem, and took a lot longer to sort out too - the ncftp author immediately relicensed ncftp under the GPL when the problem was pointed out to him. because of the long and bitter public debates, RMS had to say something and he had to make a public statement that it was now OK for KDE to use any FSF owned code. if he had just ignored the fact that the KDE/Qt/GPL problem had finally been resolved then he would have had people (you, perhaps?) slagging him off for being stand-offish and rude. RMS should IMHO publically apologize with the KDE people for this condescending part of his otherwise correct article. He should be wise enough to be careful about the context in which other people might consider certain statements simply derisive. some KDE people should apologise to RMS for being over-sensitive ungracious brats. craig -- craig sanders -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Fri 08 Sep 2000, Paul Seelig wrote: about. They IMHO righfully complained about RMS' forgiving talk which is more like religious speech from a church or something. If the catholic pope would utter such words it could be silently ignored, though it would be appropriate speech in his ideological context. Well, he *does* consider himself a saint; from his page http://www.stallman.org/saint.html : Stallman is a saint in the Church of Emacs---Saint IGNUcius. :-) But RMS speaking like *this* is rather unappropriate and IMHO quite insulting. I wonder if the author of ncftp who was hurting the GPL by He _is_ sometimes a bit tactless, but gets his point across. Unfortunately, because he's such a prominent figure, people react strongly to him or are otherwise more critical of anything he does or says. RMS should IMHO publically apologize with the KDE people for this condescending part of his otherwise correct article. He should be So now _you_ are telling someone to ask for forgiveness? Paul Slootman (not a follower of RMS myself) -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.murphy.nl/ debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ isdn4linux: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.isdn4linux.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITP: biew -- console binary/hex/disasm viewer and editor
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist biew is licensed under the GPL. Available from deb http://alfredsson.org debian/ deb-src http://alfredsson.org debian/ Source can be found at http://biew.sourceforge.net I'm being sponsored by Rick Younie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: biew Version: 5.1.2-1 Description: Binary file viewer with builtin editors for bin, hex disasm Along with the view functionality there is a builtin converter/calculator for the 4 bases, displays text in 18 codepages, disassembles and highlights PentiumIII/K7 Athlon/Cyrix-M2 instructions, displays header info for ELF, coff, MZ, PE etc. . Hex editor handles not/and/or/xor operations Users of the DOS program HIEW will be familiar with Biew. -- Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:29:37AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: On Fri 08 Sep 2000, Paul Seelig wrote: RMS should IMHO publically apologize with the KDE people for this condescending part of his otherwise correct article. He should be So now _you_ are telling someone to ask for forgiveness? And *in this case* righfully so and without being derisive. What an ironic turn, isn't it? No, i don't use even a single Qt/KDE program. Thanks, P. *8^) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:24:30PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: [ just more of the same ] because of the long and bitter public debates, RMS had to say something and he had to make a public statement that it was now OK for KDE to use any FSF owned code. if he had just ignored the fact that the KDE/Qt/GPL problem had finally been resolved then he would have had people (you, perhaps?) slagging him off for being stand-offish and rude. The problem is IMHO that he didn't *just* had to make a public statement that it was now OK for KDE to use any FSF owned code, which he then rightly did. He applied IMHO double standards by asking KDE developers to beg for forgiving and *this* is IMHO being stand-offish and rude. RMS (like anybody) definitely has the right to forgive but expecting and asking others to beg for being forgiven is at best derisive. Without being a KDE/Qt user myself, this is what makes me understand the anger of the KDE developers. Thank you, P. *8^) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible
Someone wrote this: I am disappointed that RMS is fighting over something as trivial as a company asking that legal issues be settled in their home state (country). This is common practice. I am not fighting, I am pointing out the situation as it exists. I don't believe the CNRI license is inherently bad. It is a reasonable free software license. I have no reason to want to fight. But I believe it is incompatible with the GPL, and that constitutes major practical problem. CNRI agrees that this would be a problem--they want to make it possible for GPL-covered programs to use Python. So we are not fighting, just disagreeing. Whether a given license A is compatible with another license B is not a decision, not a choice someone can make. It is a judgement about the nature of the situation, based on the facts and laws as they exist. I believe, and the FSF's lawyer believes, that these licenses are incompatible. I can't make the GPL and CNRI licenses compatible just because I wish they were, any more than I can make pi equal 3. However, law and its consequences are not as rigorous as mathematics. It is peculiar that their lawyers think the licenses are compatible. I suspect that they have missed some point about the GPL, but that is just a guess; I have not spoken with them and do not know their arguments. It is conceivable they saw something I and our lawyer missed. We are trying to arrange for him to talk with them. That should at least make it possible for one side to convince the other about whether the licenses are compatible. If they can convince us that the incompatibility we saw is not real, that would be fine--it would make the problem disappear. Alternatively (and I think more likely) our lawyer will show them the incompatibility they did not see. That too might be a step towards solving the problem, or at least I hope so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:01:37AM +0200, Paul Seelig wrote: Richard's comment was apparently on the order of It's about time, which apparently managed to peeve the KDE people who felt they needed to flame him publicly over it.. *sigh* It was not the harmless about time part those people got angry about. They IMHO righfully complained about RMS' forgiving talk which is more like religious speech from a church or something. If the catholic pope would utter such words it could be silently ignored, though it would be appropriate speech in his ideological context. I've simply learned to accept that Richard has an ego the size of a moderately sized country and expects the whole community to bow at his feet. (rebel fleet award to han solo anyone? (you'd have to have been at the Aug 1999 LWCE for the $25k award that Debian received this year.. The FSF got the award last year and he was actually resentful that these people were handing him a fat chunk of cash to help him do the things he does because he felt it wasn't enough recognition/credit!)) But RMS speaking like *this* is rather unappropriate and IMHO quite insulting. I wonder if the author of ncftp who was hurting the GPL by using readline and who subsequently put ncftp under GPL as consequence of complaints was asked to beg for being forgiven as well? I guess not, it was just retroactively considered legal, right? Is this then just treatment of the KDE developers? Definitely not! Oh I am perfectly comfortable in saying that I believe the KDE developers have a lot to answer for over the past three years. They have been both intentionally disruptive and destructive to the community because of their own arrogance. Richard's own unjustifyable arrogance adds just one more whining windbag's ego to the pile of the bruised. So yes, he's guilty of flamebait. And the Linux media is guilty of helping him spread it. Big deal, just because the person trolling is a public figure doesn't change the fact that saying a group of coders should beg forgiveness for their transgressions against the church of GNU is still trolling. RMS should IMHO publically apologize with the KDE people for this condescending part of his otherwise correct article. He should be wise enough to be careful about the context in which other people might consider certain statements simply derisive. He won't. C'mon, this is Richard Stallman. In his own eyes, everything he says and does is righteous and pure. IMO, this makes him as dangerous as Eric Raymond. (But then, my opinions of RMS as a leader aren't terribly popular around here... I do freely admit my own ego is too large to make me any better, so I am essentially throwing stones outside my glass house.) -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 james abuse me. I'm so lame I sent a bug report to debian-devel-changes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:56:06AM +0200, Paul Seelig wrote: Without being a KDE/Qt user myself, this is what makes me understand the anger of the KDE developers. The problem with that is that the KDE developers have chosen to assume that because Richard has been an ass to them (and quite clearly, he has been), that anyone who agrees with him deserves the same response they'd give to him. This is why I eventually decided the whole KDE mess was a losing battle. As long as the KDE developers were unwilling to entertain the concept of a problem, there could be no resolution short of the impossible (which has now happened..) -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 Davide how bout a policy policing policy with a policy for changing the police policing policy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
On Sep 07, Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some very big ISP here have mailservers with no reverse mapping... Well, they are badly broken, you know? I do, but refusing mail is quite an extreme act. The IANA mandate is that /all/ machines on public IP address have I really don't think so. Please provider RFC number and verse. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
updated experimental ISDNUTILS packages available 1:3.1pre1b-1.1
I've fixed a couple of problems that were detected with the first version. Today's version is available from the www.murphy.nl site. Line for sources.list: http://www.murphy.nl/~paul/debian isdnutils/ This is the changelog extract: * I've taken the newest upstream CVS version again, which included quite a lot of what was in isdnutils_3.1pre1b-1.diff.gz . * Fixed dependencies (I had forgotten the epoch) * Fixed isdnconfig to get its default files from the right places; also removed isdnlog stuff from it as isdnlog has its own debconf stuff now. * Re-implemented some smart stuff in vboxmail and vboxplay that I had added in the 3.0 series of isdnutils. The old ones (3.1pre1b-1) is available in http://www.murphy.nl/~paul/debian/isdnutils/1/ if the need arises... Enjoy. I'll be back on Monday. Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.murphy.nl/ debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ isdn4linux: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.isdn4linux.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help updating calendar
On Sep 08, Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duplicated events needs to be removed from the yearly calendar.judaic files. I don't understand what you mean by this. Please could you be a little more specific? Has the format of the files changed or something? Perhaps you can give me an example (private email would be fine). The package has two different lists of events: always valid and valid only for the specified year. They have different origins and should be merged, but I don't know much about this kind of events to do that myself. Look at /usr/share/calendar/calendar.judaic and /usr/share/calendar/2000/calendar.judaic . The new version of the program I packaged can also automatically compute the date of Easter, but I think that will not help much for this religion. :-) -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help updating calendar
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 02:54:31PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 08, Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duplicated events needs to be removed from the yearly calendar.judaic files. I don't understand what you mean by this. Please could you be a little more specific? Has the format of the files changed or something? Perhaps you can give me an example (private email would be fine). The package has two different lists of events: always valid and valid only for the specified year. They have different origins and should be merged, but I don't know much about this kind of events to do that myself. Look at /usr/share/calendar/calendar.judaic and /usr/share/calendar/2000/calendar.judaic . No Jewish date is always valid in the Gregorian calendar, so there's no point having an always valid Judaic file. /usr/share/calendar/calendar begins: /* * Jewish calendar for the CE year 2000 * 23 Tevet 5760 - 5 Tevet 5761 */ I think that's fairly clear ;-) Their list is much more comprehensive than mine, but mine contains far more detail. So it's worth merging them, but I'm not quite sure how you'd like to do this. There is also the implicit assumption in their calendar that the user is Orthodox and living outside of Israel, neither of which need be true. Let me know what you want to do. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: removal of libqt1g from woody
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:35:44AM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: 'explorer' also depends on it (using the old qt1g package name) Explorer also has nine bugs, some important, six over two years old. Note especially: #29053: package explorer depends on obsolete library libstdc++2.8 (1y, 308d) #53642: Bad dependency (254d) #16190: explorer: explorer segfaults (2y, 264d) #20560: explorer: Fails to run due to undefined symbol in shared library (2y, 161d) #20764: explorer: doesn't start (2y, 158d) The first two are important -- if they're not fixed, explorer isn't going to be released as a part of woody. I don't think explorer is sufficient justification to keep qt1 in woody. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
8.09.2000 pisze Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I am now very turned off because instead of seeing a bunch of bright developers, I'm seeing a voluminous amount of off-topic flaming. Welcome to Debian. ``What is Debian. How do you define Debian? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then Debian is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain. This is the world that you know. The world as it was at the end of the twentieth century. It exists now only as part of a neural-interactive simulation that we call the Matrix. You've been living in a dream world, Neo. This is the world as it exists today... Welcome to the Desert of the Real. We have only bits and pieces of information but what we know for certain is that at some point in the early twenty-first century all of mankind was united in celebration. We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to Debian project.'' ;- best regards, Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101010 is ] [ BOF2510053411, makabra.knm.org.pl/~baran/, alchemy pany ] [ The Answer ] Humans use walking canes when they grow old. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But RMS speaking like *this* is rather unappropriate and IMHO quite insulting. I wonder if the author of ncftp who was hurting the GPL by using readline and who subsequently put ncftp under GPL as consequence of complaints was asked to beg for being forgiven as well? I guess not, it was just retroactively considered legal, right? Is this then just treatment of the KDE developers? Definitely not! The situation does differ somewhat: ncftp's violations were resolved by actions taken by ncftp's author. KDE's violations were resolved by actions taken by Troll Tech, _not_ actions taken by KDE developers. So whether you think the request for an apology is appropriate or not, using the events surrounding ncftp as a basis for saying RMS is applying a double standard is dubious, because the resolutions came about through very different means. Mike. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE: Appology
At 10:14 AM 9/8/00 -0400, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But RMS speaking like *this* is rather unappropriate and IMHO quite insulting. I wonder if the author of ncftp who was hurting the GPL by using readline and who subsequently put ncftp under GPL as consequence of complaints was asked to beg for being forgiven as well? I guess not, it was just retroactively considered legal, right? Is this then just treatment of the KDE developers? Definitely not! The situation does differ somewhat: ncftp's violations were resolved by actions taken by ncftp's author. KDE's violations were resolved by actions taken by Troll Tech, _not_ actions taken by KDE developers. In addition, when it was pointed out to ncftp's author, he acknowledged the issue and resolved it. When it was pointed out to KDE, they denied that there was a problem (and -still- deny that there was a problem). So whether you think the request for an apology is appropriate or not, using the events surrounding ncftp as a basis for saying RMS is applying a double standard is dubious, because the resolutions came about through very different means. And the actions of the FSF in both cases is identical: when the issue was resolved, the FSF dropped any potential legal claim against the violators they may have had. That action in both cases is consistent with the FSF's stated goals, and RMS's stated ethical position. Mike. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux EXPO - FRANCE PARIS (31/1, 1/2, 2/2 2000)
hi everybody, - like last year Debian will have a booth to the next Linux Expo in PARIS. volunteers are welcome. debian people who wants free ticket entrance email to me. - a special issue of a french magazine about Debian POTATO will be sell in FRANCE on 14th september. (with 4 CDs potato (3 binaries and 1 non-us) and a poster.). best regards. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: removal of libqt1g from woody
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 09:57:41AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: I don't think explorer is sufficient justification to keep qt1 in woody. I wasn't implying it was. I was just saying it needs to be fixed, or removed. -- Brian M. Almeida Linux Systems Engineer | http://www.winstar.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer | http://www.debian.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ortega counter-intelligence genetic Treasury KGB ammunition Kennedy supercomputer COSCO colonel David John Oates Qaddafi Mena NWO Rule Psix White Water Mossad Legion of Doom Soviet Vickie Weaver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pyton 1.6's license
KK == Ken Kinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KK I'm a little worried about Debian not packaging Python 1.6 KK because RMS feels so strongly (it's RMS) that it isn't KK compatible with GPL. I release Python GPL code and don't feel KK it's incompatible, but it could be damaging to either Debian, KK Python, or both if it can't be packaged. Can't Python 1.6 be KK licensed under more than one license like Perl? Just a word of clarification from the Debian Python maintainer: The Python 1.6 license is completely fine for Debian; it's perfectly free software (RMS admits that, too). The point is that it's different than the old Python license, and therefore some things that were fine with the old Python now seems to become illegal (at least that's what RMS's impression is). Debian has no big war chest. If some author claims that he regards distribution of binaries of his GPL code linked code under the new Python license as illegal, then this is a kind of legal threat that we have to take seriously. Debian doesn't want to get involved in a legal action on this ground, and therefore I think our safest bet is to stay away from distributing GPL code linked with Python 1.6 code. At least as long as the issue is settled (which I still have hope will happen with before the release of 2.0). Based on this, that leaves us with three options: 1.) Replace Python 1.5.2 with Python 1.6 in the Debian development tree (woody). Then we had to remove all packages that might be troublesome, license-wise. Among them are python-gdbm, python-gtk, python-gnome, python-glade. Would also affect codecommander, solfege, bg5ps, icepref, routeplanner, gimp-python and so on. I.e. quite some work to check and discriminate among all of them. 2.) Stick with Python 1.5.2 and ignore Python 1.6 and up until this issue is settled. The easiest solution. Many propose that. Anyway, if the issue is not settled in the near future, that would more or less automatically mean a fork of Python at some time, a VERY bad thing. 3.) Stick with Python 1.5.2 and package Python 1.6 as optional packages (something like python1.6-base etc. pp.) that could be installed parallel to Python 1.5.2. All existing packages would continue to depend on Python 1.5.2, with no license trouble. Maintainers and users would have to decide if their application/package is compatible with the new Python license. You see that Debian has nothing against the new Python 1.6 license; it's just a matter of labour involved to implement the consequences of the new license in our distribution. OTOH, a resolution of the discussion about the compatibility of the licenses would help us very much. Based on the experience with KDE, I'd request that authors of GPL code that think that it's fine to link the code with code under the Python 1.6 license, do add a short note to their copyright plate that declares that the code is licensed under the GPL with the amendment that it's ok to link the code with Python 1.6 code. Don't ask me how to spell this in a legally meaningful way ;-) Gregor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-move problem
Herbert Xu wrote: Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My current problem with apt-move is that it wants to delete every single deb file I have (instead of only those that have never versions on hand). Also, it makes completely empty Packages.gz How about a bug report then? I was trying to sort it all out, and was about to send one in. You did run apt-move fsck when you first upgraded didn't you? Actually, this was in a new chroot woody, but using a moved-in mirror. But running `apt-move fsck` actually fixes my problem! Thanks (and sorry about bad press in -devel), Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE
On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: as Maintainer of KDE for Debian I'd like to chime in. kdelibs, kdesupport, and kdoc all are sitting in incoming. We had to wait till yesterday for qt2.2 to come out so that I could build it, then compile kde against it since the GPL'd status doesn't mean squat if you build against the old libs which aren't GPL'd. :) This was all discussed on debian-devel and I was interviewed by a few online magswhether any of that went anywhere is not my problem. I am patiently waiting for the kdelibs/kdebase/kdesupport/qt stuff to go into Debian so I can start working on Debian packaging of KDE again. I would be happy to take over korganizer again for starters (from the status information of the package on the tdyc site I believe that no-one else has more interest in it than me). Ivan, if you're managing the KDE Debianizing stuff then perhaps you could assign 2 or 3 other significant KDE packages to me, or a dozen of the tiny things that don't require much work and aren't as important. Korganizer is significant IMHO because loss of data can cost users money and there is more demand for fast action on bugs. Games aren't as important because people don't care so much if their high-scores get temporarily misplaced. ;) Russell Coker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmin works... was Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks
Seth Cohn wrote : On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Frederic Peters wrote: - webmin: I think it is useful (and nice) not to have to launch mozilla to add an user or change a password. Excuse me? if you don't want to launch a browser (and NOT mozilla thank you... ANY browser, even lynx will (mostly) work), then you should use a command line tool: adduser and passwd are fine for any user who is smart enough to know how. For the rest, a web pointandclick is one of the only interfaces they not only _should_ know how to use, but is also remote controlable easily (yes, true sysadmins can telnet/ssh/remoteX, but we are talking newbies here), so Windows/Mac/whatever users with a Linux server to admin can fix things from a remote machine. [rest of webmin description skipped] ok I shouldn't have talked about mozilla. But I'm not talking about ME here. I know how to configure my network, add an user or whatever we're talking about. [and I already used webmin] This is about the guy who installed Debian for a non-technical reason (_I_ choosed Debian over other distribs because it was the non-commercial one and I expect that some new users choosed it for the same reason). And we should do our best to help those persons be happy with Debian. I don't think webmin is the perfect answer because I have no idea about the way to integrate it nicely on a desktop. If Jaldhar manage to do this: great! but I still have doubts. If you want to create a new tool, please _don't_. After trying all of the horrible ones like yast linuxconf, and installing hundreds of systems for people at LUG meetings, I'm convinced that if you want something that makes sense to new users, just spend your energy improving webmin. Even if I thought webmin was the panacea I wouldn't be able to do it because of Perl. Instead of creating yet another rift, let's add true Debian support to it. A single frontend makes much more sense than tons of incompatible, non-similar frontends. A non-power user who switches from Mandrake or Caldera or RedHat or whatever to Debian (and I have many at our local LUG who are doing just that...) shouldn't have to learn a whole new frontend, when something like webmin can handle the cross distributional differences, which it can and does well right now. Are there volunteers to add true Debian support to webmin ? -- Frederic Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]« Le travail a été ce que l'homme Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.debian.org a trouvé de mieux pour ne rien Gaby : http://gaby.netpedia.net faire de sa vie. » R. Vaneigem -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
new mantainer is not working
hi what is happening in «new mantainer» ?!? look (in http://nm.debian.org ) at how long the people have been waiting --- Count Average Maximum DaysDays Awaiting AM assignment 116 46 93 Waiting for AM to confirm9 54 176 Initial AM contact 8 9 29 Processing Applicant 5751 165 Awaiting DAM Approval1728 145 New Maintainers processed55 Total Applicants in Database 265 On hold at AM stage 7 On hold at DAM stage 0 Application Managers 34 - on average , it takes 188 days to become mantainer (= 6 months) on maximum , it may take 608 days : THAT'S TWO YEARS, FOLKS what is the reason for that? bye a.m. -- A Mennucc È un mondo difficile. Che vita intensa! (Renato Carotone) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting current keymap
6.09.2000 pisze Renaud Gurin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there something obvious I missed or is it really unfeasible ? I looked at it and... (didn't do that before, because I used my own keymap, which doesn't need to include anything) and yes, setting keymap before mounting /usr is rather not the best example of package design... The whole console-tools font/keymap configuring scheme should be IMO completely redesigned (and re-thinked before)... giving f.ex. the possibility to add font/keymap packages and configure font/keymap without direct playing with /etc/console-tools/config... Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101010 is ] [ BOF2510053411, makabra.knm.org.pl/~baran/, alchemy pany ] [ The Answer ] ``Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and KDE
I would be happy to take over korganizer again for starters (from the status information of the package on the tdyc site I believe that no-one else has more interest in it than me). Ivan, if you're managing the KDE Debianizing stuff then perhaps you could assign 2 or 3 other significant KDE packages to me, or a dozen of the tiny things that don't require much work and aren't as important. Korganizer is significant IMHO because loss of data can cost users money and there is more demand for fast action on bugs. Games aren't as important because people don't care so much if their high-scores get temporarily misplaced. ;) If you want to take over kdepim be my guest (since that's where korg is now). Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting current keymap
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:19:58PM +0200, Miros/law `Jubal' Baran wrote: 6.09.2000 pisze Renaud Guérin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there something obvious I missed or is it really unfeasible ? I looked at it and... (didn't do that before, because I used my own keymap, which doesn't need to include anything) and yes, setting keymap before mounting /usr is rather not the best example of package design... Setting the keymap as soon as possible was a design choice done before I ever headr about Debian, I think. Whether it is still valid is an open issue, as the reasons to do that were not kept anywhere I know of. Probably this should be discussed here and if noone objects changed ASAP, so that any problems get caught quickly. The whole console-tools font/keymap configuring scheme should be IMO completely redesigned (and re-thinked before)... giving f.ex. the possibility to add font/keymap packages and configure font/keymap without direct playing with /etc/console-tools/config... I had started this before potato release, and started using debconf. However I did that in a rather complicated way which needs to be rewritten, which I have started to do - I did not put much time here however. Basically, /etc/console-tools/config should end up being generated by the postinst from debconf-entered information. -- Yann Dirson[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Why make M$-Bill richer richer ? debian-email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Support Debian GNU/Linux: | Cheaper, more Powerful, more Stable ! http://ydirson.free.fr/ | Check http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new mantainer is not working
Previously A Mennucc1 wrote: what is happening in «new mantainer» ?!? A lot. look (in http://nm.debian.org ) at how long the people have been waiting Since nm reopened 150 people have been processed or are being pocessed looking at the stats you mention, I would consider that a lot of good work being done. You'll just have to be patient until it's your turn to be processed. what is the reason for that? New-maintainer was closed for a while. Read the archive for debian-announce and/or debian-devel-announce of you want more information on that. Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature - ignore at your convenience \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
