Re: Two debconf issues

[mdanish]

I created a test program to do fibonacci series recursively in Perl, Python,
Scheme, Lisp, C, and OCaML.  Needless to say, OCaML kicked ass ;) But between
Perl and Python, Python performed better by about 20%.  On the other hand,
fibonacci series is a bit of a different application than whatever tasks
you may be talking about.

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:03:59AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
> > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:00:29PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> > > > > It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested 
> > > > > one yet.
> > > > > I doubt there is one.
> > > > 
> > > > I have one. It's that dependency on perl makes owners of 486 machines 
> > > > die
> > > > of an heart-attack whenever an installation task has to occur...
> > > 
> > > Bollocks. Profile running perl sometime. Then profile running dpkg.
> > 
> > Let me second this.  Perl is very, very fast.
> > 
> > Perl is faster than most people's hand-crafted C code for certain
> > tasks (mainly pattern matching type tasks, also its associative array
> > implementation is pretty nippy).
> > 
> > On my 68020 machine, using a short perl script was an order of
> > magnitude faster than sed or awk, even for exactly the kind of pattern 
> > matching tasks that sed and awk are designed for.
> > 
> > Perl ain't your problem, it really ain't.
> > 
> > Jules
> > 
> 
> 
> Can you compare Perl speed to Python? 
> Just curious, have no prior knowledge on this.
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Re: Work-needing packages report for May 4, 2001

[Carlos Laviola]

On 04-May-2001 Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> retitle 86871 ITA: snarf -- command line URL grabber
> 
>>snarf (#86871), orphaned 71 days ago
>>  Description: A command-line URL grabber
> 
> I'll take this.  It's one of the first packages I install on a new
> system, and I use it all the time.  Plus I know the guy who wrote it.
> 
> And anybody who thinks wget is a good replacement for snarf hasn't read
> http://www.xach.com/snarf/comparison-table.php3  8^)

I hope that's a joke, because, based _solely_ on that comparison table, the
reason one should use snarf over wget is because it has a cool progressbar. I'd
rather have the recursive download support that wget has and snarf lacks.. I'll
take a look at snarf, anyway, it might be nicer than wget here and there.

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Re: Chrony mailing list needs a home

[John Hasler]

Carlos Laviola writes:
> Register your project...

Not my project.  I'm just the Debian maintainer.  I was just trying to do
the upstream author a favor.
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Re: Chrony mailing list needs a home

[Carlos Laviola]

On 05-May-2001 Roland Bauerschmidt wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> The chrony mailing list is a "Yahoo Group" at the moment.  This less than
>> optimal.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for a (free)
>> home?
> 
> Sourceforge?

Register your project at http://sourceforge.net, and you'll get all the nice
stuff they give, like CVS access, shell access (to a compile farm, even), a
pretty decent storage space, that can get bigger if you really need it (100mb+,
iirc), and freedom to create mailing lists for your project. But, if you don't
need all that stuff, I think you can ask the listmaster to create a list for
you right under lists.debian.org, since some projects (like the V C++ GUI
Framework) are using the server for their own lists. And, since you're from
debian and all that, it makes it much easier. I don't remember the exact
procedure to request a new list, hopefully someone will step in and give the
tip.

> 
> Roland
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Re: Chrony mailing list needs a home

[John Hasler]

Joey Hess writes:
> Well I guess you could use sourceforge.

I assume that the author has his reasons for not wanting to use
Sourceforge.
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Re: Chrony mailing list needs a home

[Roland Bauerschmidt]

John Hasler wrote:
> The chrony mailing list is a "Yahoo Group" at the moment.  This less than
> optimal.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for a (free)
> home?

Sourceforge?

Roland

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Re: Chrony mailing list needs a home

[Joey Hess]

John Hasler wrote:
> The chrony mailing list is a "Yahoo Group" at the moment.  This less than
> optimal.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for a (free)
> home?

Well I guess you could use sourceforge. 

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Re: Many ports open by default

[Tom Lear]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
> Sure, don't run the daemon at all.  When you install exim, "rm
> /etc/init.d/rc?.d/S*exim" and it won't start.  Local processes will be

BTW, I think this is what ssh should do if you choose not to run the
daemon on startup (rather than making /etc/init.d/ssh not work at all).
I have ssh installed on my laptop, and I don't want it running by
default, but I'd like to be able to start and stop it with the
/etc/init.d script.  Anyone else agree with this (should I file a bug)?
- Tom

Chrony mailing list needs a home

[John Hasler]

The chrony mailing list is a "Yahoo Group" at the moment.  This less than
optimal.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for a (free)
home?
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Re: rfc1149

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Pigeons *are* doves. What you think of as pigeons are probably rock doves.

No, no.  Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave
droppings on my car.  They are best known as "rats with wings".

With appropriate adjectives, pigeons are cool.  Carrier pigeons, for
example, or the lamentably extinct passenger pigeon.  But "pigeon"
without qualification is an urban blight.

Doves are cute little birds that people keep as pets which coo
charmingly and symbolize love.  

The fact that doves and pigeons may even be the same species doesn't
have anything to do with it.  Doves are nifty, pigeons are horrible.

Re: Two debconf issues

[Shaul Karl]

> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:00:29PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> > > > It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested 
> > > > one yet.
> > > > I doubt there is one.
> > > 
> > > I have one. It's that dependency on perl makes owners of 486 machines die
> > > of an heart-attack whenever an installation task has to occur...
> > 
> > Bollocks. Profile running perl sometime. Then profile running dpkg.
> 
> Let me second this.  Perl is very, very fast.
> 
> Perl is faster than most people's hand-crafted C code for certain
> tasks (mainly pattern matching type tasks, also its associative array
> implementation is pretty nippy).
> 
> On my 68020 machine, using a short perl script was an order of
> magnitude faster than sed or awk, even for exactly the kind of pattern 
> matching tasks that sed and awk are designed for.
> 
> Perl ain't your problem, it really ain't.
> 
> Jules
> 


Can you compare Perl speed to Python? 
Just curious, have no prior knowledge on this.
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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Ivan E. Moore II]

> Ivan>   Solution?: create a program (update-dm?) that would pull
> Ivan> the current list of window/session-managers installed on the
> Ivan> system and build the appropriate config files for whichever
> 
> You should probably consider whether this program ought to simply be
> update-menu.  Is there any reason not to have a menu of window
> managers?  You could then have the method for the DM only pull window
> managers.  Note this is a serious question; there may well be many
> good reasons this is a bad idea.

hmmm...well menu already has the "wm" bit and if wm's create a menu entry using
this that would allow for singling them out.  menu also has the ability to
do just about anything theoretically and would require no other programs 
except for customized menu-methods for each dm provided by the dm's.

I don't see a reason why it can't be used.  It's a *MUCH* cleaner approach than
using the alternatives list and allows for proper names (ie.. Gnome vs. 
gnome-session). 

/me runs off to try it with kdm...

Ivan

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Re: rfc1149

[Rob Mahurin]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:55PM +0100, Paul Martin wrote:
> Now, a problem arises if we are to package the common denominator "dove"
> or to provide separate packages optimised for various types of racing
> pigeons.

Anyone who wants to squeeze an extra 10% increase in performance can
spend five minutes [1] in "make config" and compile his own doves.

Rob

[1] I'm not counting the time it takes for the doves to hatch, as you
can do other things while you're waiting.

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Re: Debconf and substitution in long description

[Simon Richter]

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Joey Hess wrote:

> Perhaps hostname --fqdn is failing? Try DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer

Hrm, the hostname command works (as verified by "echo $hostname"). I'll
try the debug option as soon as I get home.

   Simon

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Re: gdb adoption

[Fabrice Gautier]

On Thu, 3 May 2001 15:14:55 +0200
Domenico Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi Vincent!
> 
> i'd like a lot to take the maintainment of gdb,

Oh yes! Please!

> are you still
> maintaining it? i see an update long time ago, it has now some
> problems and it isn't going into testing.
> 
> thanks :))
> 
> ps: i'm preparing a patch that make it almost lintian clean

Packaging a recent snapshot, able to handle linux threads, would be
great too..

Thanks, Thanks, Thanks 

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Bug#96359: make-kpkg, glibc, /usr/src/linux and FHS

[Itai Zukerman]

Package: kernel-package
Severity: wishlist

According to the FHS (2.1),

   6.1.6  /usr/src : Source code

   For systems based on glibc, there are no specific guidelines for this
   directory.  For systems based on Linux libc revisions prior to glibc,
   the following guidelines and rationale apply:

   [...]

   If a C or C++ compiler is installed, but the complete Linux kernel
   source code is not installed, then the include files from the kernel
   source code shall be located in these directories:

   /usr/src/linux/include/asm-
   /usr/src/linux/include/linux

According to the glibc maintainer, user-space programs that need to
#include kernel headers should depend on a kernel-headers[-*] package
and do "-I/usr/src//include".  The question is, what to replace
 with?  Some possibilities are: kernel-source-,
kernel-headers-, and linux.

I think /usr/src/linux should by a symlink to one of
kernel-source- or kernel-headers- (as specified in
the FHS for pre-glibc systems).  And I think make-kpkg should set
that up with alternatives.

If it doesn't sound like a terrible idea, I can work on a patch.

-itai

Re: Netscape v.s. C source code

[Steve M. Robbins]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:58:59PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:20:15PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote:
> > 
> > WTF?  It's *text*, after all.  What magic spell is needed to convince
> > navigator to put it into the main window like a "foo.txt" file?
> > 
> 
> Setup apache to treat .h and .c as text/plain. That will tell netscape
> and any other web browser to just view the contents as plain text.

I expect that will work.  

If this is the only workaround available, my next question is: why is
Debian's apache configured to use a "text/x-csrc" MIME type?  Are
there other web browsers that do something sensible with that MIME type?

I tried Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon (mozilla-based), "Browse X", and
lynx.  None of them would display text/x-csrc.  The first three tried
to save it to disk, BrowseX showed a blank page, and lynx completely
ignored my attempt to open the link.

-S

Re: Debconf and substitution in long description

[Joey Hess]

Simon Richter wrote:
> The templates file says:
> 
> Description: uprecords.cgi has been installed into the webtree
>  You have installed the uprecords-cgi package. That means that a new CGI
>  script has been installed, which is now visible to the outside world as
>  http://${hostname}/cgi-bin/uprecords.cgi ...
> 
> The config script has:
> 
> hostname=`hostname --fqdn`
> db_subst 'uprecords-cgi/install_note' hostname $hostname
> db_input medium 'uprecords-cgi/install_note' || true
> 
> While this may not be a really important place, I'd still like it to
> work. Any ideas what might be wrong?

I see nothing wrong with this, it should work.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>cat foo.templates
Template: uprecords-cgi/install_note
Type: note
Description: uprecords.cgi has been installed into the webtree
 You have installed the uprecords-cgi package. That means that a new CGI
 script has been installed, which is now visible to the outside world as
 http://${hostname}/cgi-bin/uprecords.cgi ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>cat foo
#!/bin/sh -e
. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
hostname=`hostname --fqdn`
db_subst 'uprecords-cgi/install_note' hostname $hostname
db_input medium 'uprecords-cgi/install_note' || true
db_go
Configuring 


uprecords.cgi has been installed into the webtree
You have installed the uprecords-cgi package. That means that a new CGI script
has been installed, which is now visible to the outside world as
http://silk.kitenet.net/cgi-bin/uprecords.cgi ... 

Perhaps hostname --fqdn is failing? Try DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[David Starner]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:17:33PM +0200, Michael Piefel wrote:
> Am  4.05.01 um 16:28:16 schrieb Josip Rodin:
> > It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
> 
> Actually I'd expect my dictionary to be sorted exactly this way. And
> that's what LC_COLLATE is for. It's a different story that this
> behaviour is outright silly when in a shell.

I'm not sure I would expect my dictionary to be sorted this way. In 
any case, many dictionaries are sorted in arbitrary, non-lexical 
manners. Unix doesn't need to emulate that; Unix needs a reasonable
sort order that works for a shell and keeps an alphabetic order 
people (of that language) would consider reasonable. If sorting the
dots in made more people happy than not, it would be good, but most
of us seem to not care in most sorting situations, except the shell
where it's a pain.

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Re: Netscape v.s. C source code

[Ben Collins]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:20:15PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote:
> 
> WTF?  It's *text*, after all.  What magic spell is needed to convince
> navigator to put it into the main window like a "foo.txt" file?
> 

Setup apache to treat .h and .c as text/plain. That will tell netscape
and any other web browser to just view the contents as plain text.

Ben

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Re: Many ports open by default

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:49:47PM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:

> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
> > > > > I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA
> > > > > of some sort (even if it's local-only, which is supported by
> > > > > eximconfig).
> > > > This is true, but does it need to be world-accessible?  There should be
> > > > a way to either have it listen on localhost only, or not listen on
> > > 
> > > Sure, don't run the daemon at all.  When you install exim, "rm
> > > /etc/init.d/rc?.d/S*exim" and it won't start.  Local processes will be
> > /etc/rc?.d/S*exim
> 
> *beep, wrong* :)
> 
> update-rc.d -f exim remove

Er, *beep, wrong*.  That will remove _all_ links, which means that your changes
will be lost at the next upgrade.  update-rc.d remove is meant to be called
from postrm.  It would be nice if update-rc.d included a convenience option to
remove all S?? links, but it doesn't.

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Netscape v.s. C source code

[Steve M. Robbins]

Hi,

No response from -user, here's hoping someone on -devel can
shed some light.

I have HTML-ized documentation for a code library that contains links
to the actual header files.  Clicking on the link is supposed to show
the contents of the "fool.h" file, for example.

However, instead of displaying the text in the netscape window,
I get a little popup showing the first few dozen lines and the
message
<< stderr diagnostics have been truncated >>

with an "OK" button.  It is the same popup you sometimes get when
netscape runs a "helper" application (e.g. ghostview) to display
something.

I looked through netscape's list of "helper apps" in the preferences
panel, and discovered several things with mime types like

text/x-csrc
text/x-chdr

that were set to be handled by "unknown:promptuser" or something
(I've mucked about and can't recall exactly).  However, the option
to be handled by "Navigator" is greyed out and un-selectable.

WTF?  It's *text*, after all.  What magic spell is needed to convince
navigator to put it into the main window like a "foo.txt" file?

Thanks so much,
-Steve

P.S.  This is a Debian/unstable system, with Communicator 4.77.

Re: Bug#95430 acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#95430: ash: word-splitting changes break shell scripts)

[Torsten Landschoff]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:44:46PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > I could read that as requiring that if IFS is unset, then you get
> > "" if you inspect its value, NOT the null string.
> 
> I have to disagree with this interpretation.  The sentence above specifies
> that "the shell will behave _as if_ the value of IFS were..." (emphasis
> added).  This implies that IFS does not necessarily have any value at all,
> and its value certainly should not be relied upon.  If the intention were to
> have a default value for the IFS variable, it would have been much more
> straightforward to say
> "If IFS is not set, the shell will assign it the value..."

I think the difference here is that they wanted to hide IFS from the
output of printenv and the like. So the shell really behaves like IFS 
was set to "" but it is NOT really set.

That's what I read into it anyway.

cu
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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Josip Rodin]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:26:12PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > A paper dictionary would never contain a word starting with a `.', at least
> > not one written in my language :)
> 
> Even if it explains the term ".com"? :)

You got me there. :)

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Marco d'Itri]

On May 04, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >Sure, whatever, but *my* original point is that there is a setting in
 >mutt, namely "charset", which is documented to tell mutt what character
 >set the terminal is capable of displaying and entering. This used to
That's correct. It's used to set the charset attribute of the
Content-Type header. Nothing else.
It does *NOT* do what you think it does.

 >work fine, but suddenly it doesn't anymore even though the docs have not
 >changed one iota in this respect. I'd suggest that as long as the
This used to work only because you use latin-1, i.e. you did not need a
$LC_CTYPE value anyway.

 >"charset" setting is still supported in mutt, mutt should use that to
 >override an absence of any locale settings (as it in fact did in the
 >past, effectively).
It did not.

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Marco d'Itri]

On May 04, Ben Gertzfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >It's not just mutt.  GTK+ has the same problem.  The solution is to
Every application using gettext has the same "problem".

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[John H. Robinson, IV]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 12:30:36PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:03:18AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/LC]% LANG=hr_HR ls -A
> > .A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c
> 
> Probably because your locale.gen isn't configured to build an hr_HR
> locale.

yep.   exactly correct.   what was that latin word for doh!?

-john

Re: Work-needing packages report for May 4, 2001

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

retitle 86871 ITA: snarf -- command line URL grabber

>snarf (#86871), orphaned 71 days ago
>  Description: A command-line URL grabber

I'll take this.  It's one of the first packages I install on a new
system, and I use it all the time.  Plus I know the guy who wrote it.

And anybody who thinks wget is a good replacement for snarf hasn't read
http://www.xach.com/snarf/comparison-table.php3  8^)

noah

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Michael Stone]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:03:18AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/LC]% LANG=hr_HR ls -A
> .A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c

Probably because your locale.gen isn't configured to build an hr_HR
locale.

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Re: Why why why!!???

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:33:58AM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> Oh crap.  Ok guys it's been a lot of fun.  I really enjoyed working with
> you and meeting some of you in person but now that Debian is going to
> be shut down I'll have to look for another operating system.
> 
> Does anyone know if Microsoft Windows is any good?

This should probably not have been sent to the person that originally
sent in the erroneous "hack" notification.  We can make fun of their
idiocy all we want, but we shouldn't email them personally with it.

noah

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[John H. Robinson, IV]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:28:16PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > 
> > hmm, what's LC_COLLATE for again?
> 
> ? I was referring to this:
> 
> % touch a b c .a .b .c A B C .A .B .C
> % LANG=C ls -A
> .A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c
> % LANG=hr_HR ls -A
> a  .a  A  .A  b  .b  B  .B  c  .c  C  .C
> 
> It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
> And it's not happening on potato.

it does not happen on woody either: (yet)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/LC]% touch a b c .a .b .c A B C .A .B .C
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/LC]% LANG=C ls -A
.A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/LC]% LANG=hr_HR ls -A
.A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c

-john

Re: Why why why!!???

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 10:19:06AM -0500, The Doctor What <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> That's exactly what it is: Debian Apache Default Page Syndrome
> 
> for i in *everydebiansystem*
> do
>   http://$i/icons/
> done

  Oh.  Doh.  I'll go crawl under a rock now :)

  Daniel

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Josip Rodin]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:17:33PM +0200, Michael Piefel wrote:
> > It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
> 
> Actually I'd expect my dictionary to be sorted exactly this way.

A paper dictionary would never contain a word starting with a `.', at least
not one written in my language :)

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Re: Why why why!!???

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Fri, 4 May 2001, may wrote:

> why the hell did you hack my site!!???!!
>
> i opened it today...
> and it was  full!! of you're icons
> why why why!!!??
>
> I will report you!
>
> and i Will shut you down if i have to!
>

Oh crap.  Ok guys it's been a lot of fun.  I really enjoyed working with
you and meeting some of you in person but now that Debian is going to
be shut down I'll have to look for another operating system.

Does anyone know if Microsoft Windows is any good?

-- 
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Re: Why why why!!???

[The Doctor What]

* Daniel Burrows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010504 10:17]:
>   All right, I apologize for calling it spam :)
>   I don't understand the intent behind the initial message, then.  Unless he
> really thinks someone broke into his site (it doesn't look like apache default
> page syndrome, but who knows..)

That's exactly what it is: Debian Apache Default Page Syndrome

for i in *everydebiansystem*
do
  http://$i/icons/
done

Examples:
http://gerf.org/icons/
http://debian.org/icons/

etc.
etc.

Ciao!

-- 
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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Michael Piefel]

Am  4.05.01 um 16:28:16 schrieb Josip Rodin:
> It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!

Actually I'd expect my dictionary to be sorted exactly this way. And
that's what LC_COLLATE is for. It's a different story that this
behaviour is outright silly when in a shell.

Bye,
Mike

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Re: Why why why!!???

[The Doctor What]

* may ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010504 08:57]:
> why the hell did you hack my site!!???!!
> 
> i opened it today...
> and it was  full!! of you're icons
> why why why!!!??
> 
> I will report you!
> 
> and i Will shut you down if i have to!
> 
> pleas check it out
> 
>http://zipnab.yoll.net/icons/
> 
> and tell me .. Why!!??

Nobody hacked your site.  That is the directory for your icons for
apache.

You apparently have apache running under (probably potato) Debian.

Apache uses those icons for showing different file types and such
when you go to view a page with no index.html and you allow
Indexing.

The Debian directory is so that you can use Debian FancyIndexing (I
forget how to turn it on).  The images are used by other things too.

Please calm down, read the docs.

Above all, don't threaten people.

Ciao!

-- 
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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Josip Rodin]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 10:48:33AM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
> > It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
> > And it's not happening on potato.
> 
> Whee, I switched to Debian in time to catch the fury here, too.
> 
> Basically, the situation is:
> 
> Take it up with the glibc developers or set LC_COLLATE.
> 
> They aren't listening and nobody else can do anything.

Geez.

I've already filed a bug report in our bug tracking system (a couple of
months ago IIRC). So if anyone notices it and is kind enough to patch it,
we can have it fixed that way.

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Re: Why why why!!???

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:18:37PM +0200, "Sander Smeenk (CistroN Medewerker)" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> In fact, if you take a look at the page, there is nothing commercial,
> it only shows some apache standard icons, some debian logo's and
> a couple of funny Dragon Ball Z animated GIF's :]

  Curioser and curioser..

  All right, I apologize for calling it spam :)
  I don't understand the intent behind the initial message, then.  Unless he
really thinks someone broke into his site (it doesn't look like apache default
page syndrome, but who knows..)

  Daniel

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Josip Rodin]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:38:06AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > > Changing the LANG to en_US may have some unexpected side effects and
> > > > > should not be done without at least some thought for the consequences.
> > > > > (E.g., the sort order will be radically different.)
> > > >
> > > > Hear, hear, the thing with the sort order is so annoying. But I guess 
> > > > we'll
> > > > just have to get used to it >:(
> > >
> > > hmm, what's LC_COLLATE for again?
> 
> > ? I was referring to this:
> 
> > % touch a b c .a .b .c A B C .A .B .C
> > % LANG=C ls -A
> > .A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c
> > % LANG=hr_HR ls -A
> > a  .a  A  .A  b  .b  B  .B  c  .c  C  .C
> 
> > It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
> > And it's not happening on potato.
> 
> However,
> 
> $ LANG=hr_HR LC_COLLATE=C ls -A
> .A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c
> 
> which was Arthur's point, I believe.

Oh, so it's LC_COLLATE=hr_HR that's wrong. Thanks for telling me the
workaround.

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Alan Shutko]

Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:46:15PM +0200, Arthur Korn wrote:

> ? I was referring to this:

And Arthur was referring to the fact that you can set LANG=hr_HR and
LC_COLLATE=C and get the old behavior.

> It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
> And it's not happening on potato.

Whee, I switched to Debian in time to catch the fury here, too.

Basically, the situation is:

Take it up with the glibc developers or set LC_COLLATE.

They aren't listening and nobody else can do anything.

-- 
Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors!
Skiers go down fast.

Re: Why why why!!???

[Alan Shutko]

Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Wow, that's the most creative spam I've ever read..it almost was worth the
> effort :)

Except there was really nothing there!

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If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost.

Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Steve Langasek]

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:46:15PM +0200, Arthur Korn wrote:
> > > > Changing the LANG to en_US may have some unexpected side effects and
> > > > should not be done without at least some thought for the consequences.
> > > > (E.g., the sort order will be radically different.)
> > >
> > > Hear, hear, the thing with the sort order is so annoying. But I guess 
> > > we'll
> > > just have to get used to it >:(
> >
> > hmm, what's LC_COLLATE for again?

> ? I was referring to this:

> % touch a b c .a .b .c A B C .A .B .C
> % LANG=C ls -A
> .A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c
> % LANG=hr_HR ls -A
> a  .a  A  .A  b  .b  B  .B  c  .c  C  .C

> It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
> And it's not happening on potato.

However,

$ LANG=hr_HR LC_COLLATE=C ls -A
.A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c

which was Arthur's point, I believe.

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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OK, thanks a lot, I'll take care of that, I hadn't realized, that my
email address was wrong. I'll correct that ASAP.
*t


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Re: Why why why!!???

[Josip Rodin]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:01:08PM +0200, may wrote:
> why the hell did you hack my site!!???!!
> 
> i opened it today...
> and it was  full!! of you're icons
> why why why!!!??
> 
> I will report you!
> 
> and i Will shut you down if i have to!
> 
> pleas check it out
> 
>http://zipnab.yoll.net/icons/
> 
> and tell me .. Why!!??

My god! It's full of stars^Wicons! :)

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Josip Rodin]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:46:15PM +0200, Arthur Korn wrote:
> > > Changing the LANG to en_US may have some unexpected side effects and
> > > should not be done without at least some thought for the consequences.
> > > (E.g., the sort order will be radically different.)
> > 
> > Hear, hear, the thing with the sort order is so annoying. But I guess we'll
> > just have to get used to it >:(
> 
> hmm, what's LC_COLLATE for again?

? I was referring to this:

% touch a b c .a .b .c A B C .A .B .C
% LANG=C ls -A
.A  .B  .C  .a  .b  .c  A  B  C  a  b  c
% LANG=hr_HR ls -A
a  .a  A  .A  b  .b  B  .B  c  .c  C  .C

It acts as if the interpunction doesn't exist, which is just plain wrong!
And it's not happening on potato.

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Re: Why why why!!???

[Sander Smeenk \(CistroN Medewerker\)]

Quoting Daniel Burrows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> >http://zipnab.yoll.net/icons/
>   Wow, that's the most creative spam I've ever read..it almost was worth the
> effort :)

In fact, if you take a look at the page, there is nothing commercial,
it only shows some apache standard icons, some debian logo's and
a couple of funny Dragon Ball Z animated GIF's :]

Regards,
Sander.

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Re: Why why why!!???

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:01:08PM +0200, may <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to 
say:
> pleas check it out
> 
>http://zipnab.yoll.net/icons/
> 
> and tell me .. Why!!??

  Wow, that's the most creative spam I've ever read..it almost was worth the
effort :)

  Daniel

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Why why why!!???

[may]

why the hell did you hack my site!!???!!
i opened it today...
and it was  full!! of you're icons
why why why!!!??
I will report you!
and i Will shut you down if i have to!
pleas check it out
  http://zipnab.yoll.net/icons/
and tell me .. Why!!??

Re: Packages not making it into testing

[Anthony Towns]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:35:03PM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
> Quoting Anthony Towns :
> > + roxen-fonts-iso8859-2 uploaded 399 days ago, out of date by
> > + roxen-fonts-iso8859-1 uploaded 399 days ago, out of date by
> These are fonts. Why should they be 'out of date'?!

Because they're not installable.

> Reason why these haven't made it into testing is the same as for:
[...]

Indeed.

> > roxen isn't up to date on poweprc, and needs the source patched
> > as described in 81648
> [...]
> > + imho uploaded 370 days ago, out of date by 360 days!
> > imho depends on roxen, which needs fixing as above
> There are NO problems with ANY of these packages... The problem is that
> they depend on 'roxen|roxen2' and roxen2 can't be built on SPARC/PPC.

The problem is that roxen doesn't build on powerpc, and that all the
other packages are arch:all and depend on roxen (or roxen2, which also
doesn't build on powerpc). Accepting any of them means adding packages
that are uninstallable on powerpc.

The fix to get roxen to build on powerpc is (or at least was when I
looked at it) quite trivial. It's just a matter of using varargs as ANSI
specifies rather than as i386 and a lot of other architectures allow. It's
described in bug 81648 which has been open for over 100 days...

Cheers,
aj

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Here is an example. I tryed it with both Maildirs and Mboxes.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% cat .mailsync
store hbg {
patMail.hbg/%
prefix Mail.hbg/
}

store minnesota {
patMail2/%
prefix Mail2/
}

channel mh minnesota hbg {
msinfo msinfo
}
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Mail.hbg
Mail.hbg/inbox
Mail2
Mail2/msinfo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% mailsync -v mh
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% strace !!
execve("/usr/bin/mailsync", ["mailsync", "-v", "mh"], [/* 25 vars */]) = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="minnesota", ...}) = 0
brk(0)  = 0x80642ec
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)  = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=44230, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 44230, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40017000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libc-client.so.2000", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\372\0"..., 1024) = 
1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=712844, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 717152, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40022000
mprotect(0x400cd000, 16736, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x400cd000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0xaa000) = 0x400cd000
old_mmap(0x400d1000, 352, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x400d1000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\260\214"..., 1024) = 
1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=179288, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 184032, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x400d2000
mprotect(0x400fc000, 12000, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x400fc000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x29000) = 0x400fc000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360\250"..., 1024) = 
1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=272168, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 284196, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x400ff000
mprotect(0x40136000, 58916, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x40136000, 53248, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x36000) = 0x40136000
old_mmap(0x40143000, 5668, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40143000
close(3)= 0
open("/lib/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY)= 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\20K\0\000"..., 1024) = 
1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=133440, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 135940, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40145000
mprotect(0x40166000, 772, PROT_NONE)= 0
old_mmap(0x40166000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x2) = 0x40166000
close(3)= 0
open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)= 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0008

Re: Many ports open by default

[Steve Greenland]

On 04-May-01, 07:49 (CDT), Turbo Fredriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
> > > > > I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA 
> > > > > of
> > > > > some sort (even if it's local-only, which is supported by eximconfig).
> > > > This is true, but does it need to be world-accessible?  There should
> > > > be a way to either have it listen on localhost only, or not listen on
> > > 
> > > Sure, don't run the daemon at all.  When you install exim, "rm
> > > /etc/init.d/rc?.d/S*exim" and it won't start.  Local processes will be
> > /etc/rc?.d/S*exim
> 
> *beep, wrong* :)
> 
> update-rc.d -f exim remove
> 

*beep*, *wrong* :)

The problem with "update-rc.d -f exim remove" is that it removes *all*
the links, not just the S*exim links. The next time exim is upgraded,
it's postinst will re-install all the links. Just rm'ing the S*exim
links will produce the desired affect.

Steve

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Re: Many ports open by default

[Turbo Fredriksson]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
> > > > I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA of
> > > > some sort (even if it's local-only, which is supported by eximconfig).
> > > This is true, but does it need to be world-accessible?  There should
> > > be a way to either have it listen on localhost only, or not listen on
> > 
> > Sure, don't run the daemon at all.  When you install exim, "rm
> > /etc/init.d/rc?.d/S*exim" and it won't start.  Local processes will be
> /etc/rc?.d/S*exim

*beep, wrong* :)

update-rc.d -f exim remove


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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Arthur Korn]

Josip Rodin schrieb:
> > Changing the LANG to en_US may have some unexpected side effects and
> > should not be done without at least some thought for the consequences.
> > (E.g., the sort order will be radically different.)
> 
> Hear, hear, the thing with the sort order is so annoying. But I guess we'll
> just have to get used to it >:(

hmm, what's LC_COLLATE for again?

ciao, 2ri, running LANG=de_CH; LC_MESSAGES=C
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Re: Packages not making it into testing

[Turbo Fredriksson]

Quoting Anthony Towns :

> + roxen-fonts-iso8859-2 uploaded 399 days ago, out of date by
> + roxen-fonts-iso8859-1 uploaded 399 days ago, out of date by

These are fonts. Why should they be 'out of date'?!

Reason why these haven't made it into testing is the same as for:

> + libroxen-templatecreator uploaded 399 days ago, out of date
> + libroxen-randomfile uploaded 397 days ago, out of date by 387
> + libroxen-gdbmuserauth uploaded 397 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-form uploaded 397 days ago, out of date by 387 days!
> + libroxen-roxpoll-doc uploaded 396 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-kiwilogger uploaded 396 days ago, out of date by 386
> + libroxen-floatingcode uploaded 396 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-webmail uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-watchdog uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-trimpath uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-tokenfs uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-thumbnail uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-tex uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-telnetproxy uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-switch uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-swarm uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-sqlextras uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-smbauth uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-simplenews uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-sexybody uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-secureinsert uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-roxpoll uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-remoteuser uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-referrerdeny uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-programcache uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-pretoggle uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-presentit uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-pop3 uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-photoalbum uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-path uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-outline uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-ntuserauth uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-meta uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-mailit uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-mail uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-logsql uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-linkif uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-layout uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-jsredirect uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-ics uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-guestbook uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-graphicalcounter uploaded 243 days ago, out of date
> + libroxen-footnote uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-flash2 uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-finder uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-faq uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-explaindir uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-expires uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-errormessage uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-discussit uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-disclaimer uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-diary uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-columnify uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-cloakingdevice uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-calendar uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-calculator uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-asis uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233 days!
> + libroxen-123session uploaded 243 days ago, out of date by 233
> + libroxen-adbanner uploaded 222 days ago, out of date by 212
> + libroxen-thumbview uploaded 130 days ago, out of date by 120
> + libroxen-sqlcounter uploaded 130 days ago, out of date by 120
> + libroxen-pressrelease uploaded 130 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-mailform uploaded 130 days ago, out of date by 120
> + libroxen-hubbethrottle uploaded 130 days ago, out of date by
> + libroxen-deepleap uploaded 130 days ago, out of date by 120
>   roxen isn't up to date on poweprc, and needs the source patched
>   as described in 81648
[...]
> + imho uploaded 370 days ago, out of date by 360 days!
>   imho depends on roxen, which needs fixing as above

There are NO problems with ANY of these packages... The problem is that
they depend on 'roxen|roxen2' and roxen2 can't be built on SPARC/PPC.
Also there is some problems with the administration interface (bugs
#71682, #71689 and #93170). I just can't figure it out...

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:35:53PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > The solution is to get LANG set to at least en_US by default for
> > everyone, as LANG=C is just not useful any more.
> 
> Changing the LANG to en_US may have some unexpected side effects and
> should not be done without at least some thought for the consequences.
> (E.g., the sort order will be radically different.)

Hear, hear, the thing with the sort order is so annoying. But I guess we'll
just have to get used to it >:(

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Re: package servers inconsistent?

[Josip Rodin]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 04:53:03PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > Maybe its too difficult to provide consistent package files for the short
> > window while the mirror updates are running. No cons.
> > 
> > But is it possible to set some kind of flag to indicate that I am probably
> > downloading just some inconsistent files and that I should wait till the
> > update of the mirror is complete? I have no problem with waiting, but
> > currently I can just try and check whether there was an error.
> 
> It would be pretty simple to create a file to indicate this condition,
> which could be tested for when doing an update.  However, I don't see how
> it would provide any additional information over the error messages from
> missing packages.

A lock file called Archive-Update-in-Progress-`hostname -f` is used by the
ftpsync which is the canonical mirroring method; however, not all mirrors do
that, nor does any client program check for it.

I guess it wouldn't be hard to make a script to try wgetting such a file and
abort if successful and hook it up before apt-get somehow...

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Bug#96299: general: inn2-inews

[Tomasz Dymek]

Package: general
Version: 20010504
Severity: normal

I've problem with receiving uucp feed. 

Sending works ok
==
uucico dixie - (2001-05-04 12:19:38.72 31948) Handshake successful (protocol 
't')
uucico dixie news (2001-05-04 12:19:38.73 31948) Receiving rnews (576 bytes)
uucico dixie - (2001-05-04 12:19:38.77 31948) Call complete (2 seconds 576 
bytes 288 bps)
uuxqt dixie news (2001-05-04 12:19:40.78 31955) Executing X.dixied001A (rnews)
uuxqt dixie news (2001-05-04 12:19:40.78 31955) ERROR: Execution: Exit status 1
uuxqt dixie news (2001-05-04 12:19:40.78 31955) Execution failed (X.dixied001A)
==  

Problemm appeared few days ago after apt-get upgrade. I think it is
connected with permissions of rnews but I'm not sure. I've tested some
settings but w/o success. 

Original settings are:

-r-x--1 news news35900 lut 21 01:19 rnews

xinnetd.conf
service uucp
{
socket_type = stream
protocol= tcp
wait= no
user= root
server  = /usr/sbin/uucico
server_args = -l
}



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Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

[Joost Kooij]

Hi,

On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:46:42PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 11:03:06AM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Monday 30 April 2001 00:04, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > I don't see why. Nor is this any different to any external drives.
> > > You have a hefty ground connection between the power supplies anyway
> > > (the mains, plus the metal case acting as ground).

Alas, one generally cannot assume this!

Here in The Netherlands, most residential wall outlets do not have a
ground connection.  This causes mysterious computer illnesses.

The server won't come up on reboot, when the printer is attached.
The problem is gone after the printer gets a proper earth ground.
After purchase of a new "Brand Quality" monitor, the harddisk appears
damaged.  The bootup ID string is corrupt after 12 or so characters.
Fixing the monitor's wall outlet fixes the harddisk.  Multiply the fun
as you start plugging in network cables.

But I digress..

Frame ground isn't so important here I think, circuit ground is what you
should care about.  In principle, these are different things.  In most
applications they also are strictly different things, but pc's just
isn't one of them.

> > External drives generally don't use an ATA interface!  I am not confidant 
> > of 
> > the main earth acting as a suitable earth for the DC power.
> 
> True, but I don't see this as a big issue.

All traditional external drive systems that I know of have:
- Their own power supply in the external disk housing.
- A connection to the host that carries only signals, not power.
  This connection has a dedicated frame ground line (in fact,
  any decent cabling has its shielding connected to frame ground.)

> I think it would be better to deliberately turn them on in order, rather
> than trying to guess at the same time. Turn the hard drives on first.
> They may or may not spin up while the controller is powered off. Then
> turn on the main supply.

AFAIK harddisks have two motors: 
- A start motor that speed up the disk's rotation very quickly, but eats a 
  lot of current;  It is normally only used at boot time.  
- A continuous motor that spins with a very precisely controlled speed and 
  consumes considerably less power.  It works all the time when the disk 
  is operating normally.

If some day you turn on your computer and suddenly the disk is dead,
you should be able to hear from the disk's cries of agony which of the
two motors burned out ;-)  (There is an (urban?) legend that harddisk
manufacturers classify batches by the motor that is expected to fail
first.  If the start motor is weak, it will be a scsi disk, if the
continuous motor is weak, it will be an ide disk.)

All scsi disks (that I know of) have this feature, called "Spin Delay".
If you configure the disk appropriately, it will not attempt to spin up
on powerup until it is explicitly asked to do so when initialised by the
scsi host controller.  This way the system can distribute the surges in
current draw caused by the powerful start motors in the disks.

> > There was a presentation at a Linux Users of Victoria meeting some years 
> > ago 
> > about doing hot-swap IDE hard drives with cheap standard hardware.  My 
> > recollection is that the power lines of the hard drive had to be connected 
> > in 
> > a particular order...

I have sucessfully powered down, disconnected, reconnected and powered
back up again an IDE disk once (this is why you should take anything I
claim here with a grain of salt.)  No umount or even swapoff, just disable
dma and cross my fingers ;-)  The disk was only off for 30 secs or so.

What probably helped is that the disk is an old, low-rpm disk.  Modern
disks seem to have a tendency to draw a lot power at once when power
is plugged in from a running system, throwing the whole system into a
hardware reset.  A rather unfortunate side-effect when hotplugging.

It can be really nice to have cheap (free) old hardware (junk) to mess
around with.  How else would I have discovered that sometimes, you _can_
successfully hotplug isa cards  ;-)

> Standard power supplies may have sequencing to switch the supplies on a
> known order. That doesn't stop you powering them from different power
> supplies though, as the sequencing isn't under motherboard control.
> > > On Monday 30 April 2001 16:11, PiotR wrote: 
> > > A good solution for this might be to connect the first PS's output to the 
> > > other, so the voltage is the same, and there's no massive current flow 
> > > across the data cables.  
> > 
> > That's if both PSU's have exactly the same voltage.  If one provides a 
> > slightly higher voltage than the other then it will try to power everything 
> > itself (at least until the current drain lowers the output voltage).  Also 
> > if 
> > two PSUs with different voltages are connected together with insufficient 
> > load then reverse current will flow through the PSU with the lower voltage!

Well, I'm not an electrical engineer, but I do

Bug#96294: ITP: netsaint-nrpe -- NetSaint Remote Plugin Executor

[Ben Bell]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

nrpe is a server and plugin pair to allow NetSaintplugins to be executed
on hosts other than the main NetSaint server. Possible uses include
checking the load and disk usage of remote machines, or checking network
connectivity from a remote machine's perspective.

See http://www.netsaint.org/ 


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Fwd: Re: ITA: centericq - A text-mode icq client based on ncurses

[Ben Burton]

> >The following packages are up for adoption:
> >   centericq (#95054), offered 10 days ago
> > Description: A text-based ICQ client
>
> What is happening here?

Standard procedure for adopting a package is to retitle the RFA bug (#95054)
from RFA: to ITA: once you plan to adopt, and then to close the bug once your
new packages have been uploaded.

See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for further details.

>From looking at the bug report, it seems neither task has been done yet,
which is why the system thinks the package is still up for adoption.

Ben.

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Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

[Torsten Landschoff]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 03:24:53PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
 
> Oh, and (since they sound like the kind of servers that come with
> monitors) don't plug monitors into UPSen.

Uhm, sorry, why not? I have connected a monitor (14", normally turned
off) to our server and to his USV so I can even read my email if 
the whole campus is without mail. What's the problem with that apart
from the shorter period you can run on battery power?

Thanks

Torsten


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ITA: centericq - A text-mode icq client based on ncurses

[Wouter de Vries]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

I already uploaded the package, forgetting to send this mail. It seems
though that the package has already been passed over to me. It says so
on http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/centericq.html . An email I
received from debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org states otherwise
though:

>The following packages are up for adoption:
>   centericq (#95054), offered 10 days ago
> Description: A text-based ICQ client

What is happening here?


Wouter

Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Paul Slootman]

On Thu 03 May 2001, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:51:53PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
> > > "Paul" == Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > Paul> I think that *mutt* is definitely broken in this regard,
> > Paul> because *no* other console program i know (e.g. mc or pine)
> > Paul> breaks like this using the very same libc. 
> > 
> > It's not just mutt.  GTK+ has the same problem. 
> 
> ls does the same thing. It's a fact of life; locales need to be
> configured if you're not working in 7bit ASCII.

Sure, whatever, but *my* original point is that there is a setting in
mutt, namely "charset", which is documented to tell mutt what character
set the terminal is capable of displaying and entering. This used to
work fine, but suddenly it doesn't anymore even though the docs have not
changed one iota in this respect. I'd suggest that as long as the
"charset" setting is still supported in mutt, mutt should use that to
override an absence of any locale settings (as it in fact did in the
past, effectively).


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Re: rfc1149

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Christoph Simon 

(please get a proper sig delimiter)

| The german expression has a somewhat special history. Some centuries
| ago, a person could be declared to be "vogelfrei", as free as a bird,
| but in a not so romantic sense, as he would find himself disprovided
| of any kind of legal protection. If anybody wanted to harm or even
| kill him, he wouldn't be persecuted for that.

Like the english expression outlaw and the Norwegian expression
fredløs (literally: restless/peaceless)?

>From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:

  Outlaw \Out"law`\ (?), n. [AS. &?;tlaga, &?;tlah. See Out, and
 Law.]
 A person excluded from the benefit of the law, or deprived of
 its protection. --Blackstone.

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Re: Bug#96102: ITP: serpento -- dictd server written in python

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Radovan Garabik 

| > Can it be run from inetd? I'm really dying for a dict server that can be
| 
| More or less, yes, it can, but currently it is a bit unusable
| since it takes forever to start (it has to parse the index file(s),
| and parsing is written in python - rewritting it in C is on my TODO list)

Why not just using cPickle and smart caching?  It's pretty fast, ime.

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taking over unixodbc

[Christian Hammers]

Hi

If no one else wants it (was orphaned) I could take this. 
I have mysql and myodbc, too.

bye,

 -christian-

Re: Bug#95430 acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#95430: ash: word-splitting changes break shell scripts)

[Richard Braakman]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:36:43PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
[...]
> [16:24:46 tmp]$ bash -c 'echo x-${IFS}-x'
> x- -x
> 
> Ah, something might be wrong with the above tests:

Right.  The invoked shell will expand ${IFS} to a string that happens
to be whitespace, then parse the line as an "echo" command with
arguments "x-" and "-x", and invoke echo accordingly.

  bash -c 'echo "x-${IFS}-x"'
will do what you expect.

Richard Braakman