date:20121126

Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread Guillem Jover

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 19:41:12 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:
  Well, the software to do it is around for more than 15 years.  Google
  for procmail duplicate suppression.
 
 This works exactly backwards of how useful duplicate suppression would
 actually work.

 The personal copy is useless; the mailing list copy will get filed into
 the proper folder and is the one that you want to keep.

Well, obviously that depends on how one handles mail, but I can see
how getting a copy when you don't read a specific mailing list very
often, serves at least to draw attention that there's mail on the list,
which can always be removed afterwards if it's unneeded.

 The duplicate suppression that you want is to get rid of the personal copy
 and keep the list copy, but that's more complex to do right, because you
 have to essentially quarantine the personal copy while you wait for the
 list copy that's supposed to replace it, and then deliver the personal
 copy if the list copy never arrives.  You certainly have to go to more
 effort than just mainining a database of message IDs and throwing away the
 message the second time you see it.

That's one of the reasons I stopped removing/stashing dupes long time
ago, the other being, the annoyance of having broken/partial threads
on multiple mail boxes. I switched to just marking and showing them
“distinctively”, so that I can know immediately if there's other
instances around, and can choose where to read them from. As in:

,--- procmailrc ---
# Check for duped mails
:0 Whc : Admin/msgid.lock
| formail -D 524288 Admin/msgid.cache

# If it's a dupe, mark it
:0 aBfh
| formail -a X-Duped: yes
`---

,--- muttrc ---
color index blue black ~h '^X-Duped: yes'
`---


In any case, I don't mind much adapting to either mailing list usage (w/
or w/o explicit CC), but I've increasingly been finding that the no-CC
policy is not w/o fault, being inconsistent (because you don't know
off-hand who's subscribed, so on initial mails you might need to CC
people directly), prone to missing the recipient (because this is not
a usual convention, and people not subscribed might mail a list and
expect being CCed, but doing so might incur being chastized in the name
of the CoC!), requires being more attentive in case you need to CC when
people request it explicitly (and the danger of being chastized for not
doing so), and slighty annoying when people complain due to being
accidentally CCed or not CCed at all.

Thanks,
Guillem


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Re: Bug#693998: ITP: linux-minidisc -- Free software for accessing NetMD and HiMD MiniDisc devices

2012-11-26 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 06:55:25AM +1100, Karl Goetz wrote:
* Package name       : linux-minidisc
   
   Thats a strange name considering it builds and runs on MacOS, Windows,
   Linux, FreeBSD and Haiku.
  
  Yes, the name is indeed somewhat confusing in that regard.
 
  If you have a better idea, I'd be happy to hear it ;).
 
 Not necessary better, but perhaps libre-minidisk? 3 letters different and 
 only contains one trademark :)

libre-minidisc sounds actually nice (note, it's minidis_c_, not
minidis_k_ as compared to hard dis_k_), but renaming the project would
involve too much of a hassle. The name is already everywhere, on the
project wiki, the mailing list, the git repository and so on. So, I
think we will refrain from doing that for now.

In the end, it affects the name of the source package only anyway, so
it's not a big deal. Most Windows and MacOS users just search and
download the UI application, QHiMDTransfer and don't care it mentions
Linux on the project homepage.

Cheers,

Adrian

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Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread Charles Plessy

Le Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07:59AM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit :
 
 In any case, I don't mind much adapting to either mailing list usage (w/
 or w/o explicit CC), but I've increasingly been finding that the no-CC
 policy is not w/o fault, being inconsistent (because you don't know
 off-hand who's subscribed, so on initial mails you might need to CC
 people directly), prone to missing the recipient (because this is not
 a usual convention, and people not subscribed might mail a list and
 expect being CCed, but doing so might incur being chastized in the name
 of the CoC!), requires being more attentive in case you need to CC when
 people request it explicitly (and the danger of being chastized for not
 doing so), and slighty annoying when people complain due to being
 accidentally CCed or not CCed at all.

And to add to the confusion, the BTS does not automatically subscribe the
contributors to a thread, and it is hard to keep track, among the recipients
known for disliking to be CCed on mailing lists, who wants to be CCed on the
BTS or not, (not to mention that one can not check if they are subscribed or
not to mailing lists that would receive the BTS email).

Cheers,

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Charles Plessy
Debian Med packaging team,
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan


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Bug#694408: ITP: vmdk-stream-converter -- raw disk images to stream-optimized VMDK files convert tool

2012-11-26 Thread Hideki Yamane

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Hideki Yamane henr...@debian.org
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-cl...@lists.debian.org

   Package name: vmdk-stream-converter
Version: 0.2

URL: https://github.com/imcleod/VMDK-stream-converter
upstream author: Red Hat, Inc.
License: GPL-2

Description: raw disk images to stream-optimized VMDK files convert tool
 This tool convert raw disk images to stream-optimized VMDK files for VMWare
 ESX/vSphere environment, and known to work on ESXi 4.1.
 .
 Its format is only useful if you are attempting to import virtual machines
 into ESX using the vSphere SOAP API and HTTP POST uploads of image files.
 (In which case, it is required.)


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Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread Paul Wise

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:

 And to add to the confusion, the BTS does not automatically subscribe the
 contributors to a thread,

As a submitter of bugs, I do not need (nor want) to be CCed on every
mail to a bug, just the ones that require my input. So I would oppose
subscribing submitters by default unless they opt-in to that.

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pabs

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Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread Jakub Wilk


* Paul Wise p...@debian.org, 2012-11-26, 17:34:
And to add to the confusion, the BTS does not automatically subscribe 
the contributors to a thread,
As a submitter of bugs, I do not need (nor want) to be CCed on every 
mail to a bug, just the ones that require my input.


ACK

So I would oppose subscribing submitters by default unless they opt-in 
to that.


I'm not an enthusiast of this idea either, though I'm not sure it'll 
actually make things worse. Currently quite often happens that:

- questions that I should answer personally are _not_ CCed to me,
- boring technical discussion I couldn't care less about _are_ CCed to 
me.


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Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread Helmut Grohne

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27:31AM +0400, ?? ?? wrote:
I see many note in this list like:
I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me.

Technically this is a solved problem. The solution is called
Mail-Followup-To[1]. Due to the popularity of the Mutt, Gnus, KMail and
Icedove MUAs among Debian users this header is honoured in many cases.
(Those should make up at least half of the list traffic.) A quick grep
on my mailbox tells me that about one fifth of the posts already carry a
Mail-Followup-To. Seems like there is some still room for improvement
for those crying do not CC.

To generate Mail-Followup-To see:
* Mutt: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.8
* Gnus: http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_28.html
* Icedove:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Help_Documentation:Mail-Followup-To_and_Mail-Reply-To#Configure_Thunderbird

Hope this helps.

So I'd like to note:

1. Some e-mail cleints make it hard not to CC. For example GMail has only
two options: reply and reply to all. Reply will send email to the author,
not to the list

With some MUAs it is difficult not to send mail in HTML-only. Is that an
excuse to do so? I'd say no. So if you deliberately choose the pain of
correctly sending mail with GMail, that's hardly my problem, right?

Helmut

[1] http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html

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