Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:07:01AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
 On that note, is it ok for me to upload packages that depend on packages
 stuck in NEW, or do I have to wait for the packages to clear NEW first? I
 have at least one pending Python3 package in this situation.

If you upload things to unstable that depend on things in NEW, nobody
will be able to install or upgrade that package (until the dependency
gets through NEW). This includes, for example, automatic tools for QA.
Even though unstable is not meant for production, many people do run
it and we're better off when they do, quality-wise, It'd be nice to
avoid unnecessary breakage in unstable. Thus, uploading things only
after their depenencies get through NEW is what I would do and
recommend.

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Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Brian May
On 16 Aug 2014 16:19, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
 If you upload things to unstable that depend on things in NEW, nobody
 will be able to install or upgrade that package (until the dependency
 gets through NEW).

In this case however the 2nd package will also get blocked in New (Python3
support requires adding at least one new package), so it really depends
which order the ftp-masters approve the requests.

I would hope they don't approve a package in New that depends on another
package in New, but not sure if they are setup to handle this case.

It really seriously limits the number of python3 packages we can get in for
Jessie if I have to wait 3+ weeks to get packages approved before I can
deal with the packages that depend on this one.


Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 04:46:17PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
 On 16 Aug 2014 16:19, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
  If you upload things to unstable that depend on things in NEW, nobody
  will be able to install or upgrade that package (until the dependency
  gets through NEW).
 
 In this case however the 2nd package will also get blocked in New (Python3
 support requires adding at least one new package), so it really depends
 which order the ftp-masters approve the requests.
 
 I would hope they don't approve a package in New that depends on another
 package in New, but not sure if they are setup to handle this case.

In that situation, I'd upload both packages.

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Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Diogene Laerce


On 08/15/2014 11:24 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 On August 15, 2014 4:57:19 PM EDT, Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr wrote:


 On 08/15/2014 10:20 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 On August 15, 2014 1:42:04 PM EDT, Paul Tagliamonte
 paul...@debian.org wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 07:28:06PM +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:

 [...]


 the /usr/bin/python command is unlikely to change soon; more
 information
 on how this should be treated on UNIX like systems can be found at
 PEP
 0394.

 It's more likely /usr/bin/python will someday be removed than someday
 point to a python3 version. 

 No python on the OS ? Regard to the number of applications that rely on
 python, that's kind of unlikely no ?
 
 Pointing /usr/bin/python at a python3 version is not providing python 
 in that sense. If something uses python3, it should use /usr/bin/python3.  
 Someday, in the distant future, /usr/bin/python should become irrelevant. 
 It should never point at a python3 version. 

Ok that makes sense, as the PEP suggests.

By the way, when you say: Someday, in the distant future, does this
imply in a far far galaxy ? :)

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Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/16/2014 09:07 AM, Brian May wrote:
 Note that there is a huge number of Python packages in Debian. It is
 very possible that your favourite packages aren't available as Python3
 Debian packages, either because upstream doesn't support Python 3, or
 because nobody has done the work yet to make the Python 3 package.

... or because one of the (build-)dependencies of that package doesn't
support Python 3.

Cheers,

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Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/16/2014 02:46 PM, Brian May wrote:
 On 16 Aug 2014 16:19, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi mailto:l...@liw.fi
 wrote:
 If you upload things to unstable that depend on things in NEW, nobody
 will be able to install or upgrade that package (until the dependency
 gets through NEW).
 
 In this case however the 2nd package will also get blocked in New
 (Python3 support requires adding at least one new package), so it really
 depends which order the ftp-masters approve the requests.
 
 I would hope they don't approve a package in New that depends on another
 package in New, but not sure if they are setup to handle this case.
 
 It really seriously limits the number of python3 packages we can get in
 for Jessie if I have to wait 3+ weeks to get packages approved before I
 can deal with the packages that depend on this one.

Don't wait, just upload them all.

FTP masters do check for dependencies, and wont approve a package for
which the dependencies aren't in Sid already (meaning: they *will*
process packages from the NEW queue in the correct order). So you don't
need to worry about this.

If you have a complex set of dependencies though, it's probably a good
idea to drop a few lines to the FTP masters, just to let them know.

Thomas


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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
 Additionally, using the vendor/version scheme would allow for very simple
 enumeration of debian vs. ubuntu vs. other with something like git tag | grep
 ^vendor/ without the need to actually parse debian/changelog or the 
 specific
 version of the tag (dunno if this would actually be useful for anything, but
 it's a possibiliy).

Right, it also means we can more safely differentiate uploads from each
vendors in the case where we want to act on those... for example if a
signed git tag could trigger a server-side build  upload.

So I agree with the various commenters that pkg/version was a bad idea
and that we should use the vendor prefix for uploads too.

 Also, does every downstream distribution actually embed the distribution name
 in the upload version or is it just ubuntu? Do they use the same scheme? Would
 it be ok for this policy to depend on this?

We do this for Kali Linux too but there are always cases where some
contributors forget about the suffix (in particular when we package stuff
not yet in Debian, or new upstream releases of packages that lag behind in
Debian).

  - where should the HEAD point to in the public repository?
 
 Not sure what you mean by this.

This is the default branch that you get when you do git clone without
specifiying -b something. It's usually master but one can update it to
point somewhere else.

  - the above layout is for the traditional case of non-native packages,
what would be the layout for native packages? how can be differentiate
between native/non-native layout?
 
 I've never maintained a native package so I don't really know what are the
 common practices, but AFAICT the only difference would be missing 
 upstream/...
 tags. Would that be enough for differentiating them?

Well native = debian is the upstream. So there is no upstream tags created
by Debian but there might be such tags created by downstreams distros that
use the Debian tarballs as upstream tarballs (although I have never seen
this in practice).

Possibly the best way to notice debian is the upstream is to detect the
lack of debian/master branch (i.e. we use directly master which is usually
for the upstream developers).

  - are there other important things to standardize?
 
 GPG signatures for tags? Although, I'm not sure if mandating signing tags 
 would
 be a good idea.

We can certainly recommend it but I don't see the point to mandate it.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi Jeremy,

I don't agree with you on this one. Let me explain why.

On 08/16/2014 07:05 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
 On 2014-08-16 01:15:45 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote:
 [...]
 Yes. Producing orig.tar.xz out of upstream tag should be industrialized,
 and written in some tools, which we would all be using. I currently
 do: ./debian/rules gen-orig-xz, but that shouldn't be specific to my own
 packages.
 
 However upstream may build tarballs through a (hopefully
 repeatable/automated) process at release time, publish checksums and
 signatures for them, et cetera and prefer packagers use those as
 the original tarballs for official release versions.

And then? If I prefer to use their git repository, and create my own
orig.tar.xz out of a signed git tag, what is the problem, as long as I
use the tag they provided by upstream?

 I understand
 needing to create original tarballs yourself in cases where there
 are none (for example making development snapshot packages), but
 when upstream provides them it seems like it would make sense to use
 those tarballs in lieu of trying to recreate your own from tags in
 their version control system.

Why?!? Is there some sort of religion around tarballs? Shouldn't it be
the same stuff that git archive does? If it isn't, why is this the
case? Shouldn't one be able to use what's in the Git repository anyway?
Why can't it be fixed? Aren't we supposed to build from source anyway?
Isn't the upstream git repository the preferred form for modification,
closer to what someone should be using when contributing upstream? Why
is it the case that upstream prefers that we use something generated
from his git repository? Shouldn't all what upstream generates in the
release tarball also done by the Debian package build anyway?

Also, what if I need to build a Debian package out of an upstream
commit, because there's some bug fixes which I need, but there's no
upstream tarball available?

- In my case, I'd just tag with something like this:
2014.2~b2+20140816+git+11ed391c. Then I'll use my standard process to
generate the orig.tar.xz (which is: doing nothing but editing the
debian/changelog to match that tag, and my jenkins script will do the
rest for me, ready for testing...).

- If doing what you're proposing, I'd have to manually create the
tarball, upload it somewhere (which could be *very* slow from where I
live), etc.

 I have become increasingly wary now that more and more slipshod
 upstreams with no release process have created a need for package
 maintainers to fabricate one on their behalf, the kludge can get
 turned back around on upstreams with formal, traditional release
 processes and used as a convenient excuse to discard their output in
 the name of consistency.

If by traditional release process you mean wasting human time,
computer CPU, and network bandwidth, to build old 80ies fashioned
tarballs (that is: with .gz compression and no PGP checksums), which by
the way loose all the commit history and such, I am wondering what you
are worrying about. That's useless these days, if upstream is using Git.
A tag is enough, and it's even better.

 *Please* don't replace upstream's release
 tarballs just because they have a VCS.

Generally, upstream don't provide checksums, even less provide PGP
signatures, while tags in git repositories are often pgp signed (and I
collected a bunch of signatures already in my ring). And often, upstream
include in the tarball artifacts which we do not need, like generated
files and so on. In the case of Python modules, for example, stuff from
PyPi often contains the egg-info folder, which we do not need in the
orig tarball (it's in fact preferred not to have them, because they will
be generated at build time anyway, with possible difference from the
tarball, which is in the way of a 2nd rebuild). Also, the .gz
compression is so 80ies. We're in 2014, and it's still hard to find
upstream releasing with .xz compressions.

I also think it's best to be able to build from the git repository
rather than what's been generated out of it, because that's what you
will do if you want to contribute to the upstream project.

Last, it's extremely rare to have issues with upstream git tag. In the
case of OpenStack, the only small issues I had were with the MANIFEST.in
which is sometimes missing some file. But a small Debian specific patch
gets rapidly rid of the issue. Also, to some degree, this is a problem
upstream that should be fixed anyway.

So yes, please do generate orig.tar.xz out of PGP signed tags, and do
Debian git-buildpackage based on tags repository, using the upstream git
repository as source. That's the correct technical thing to do, and you
wont regret it! As an upstream: please accept progress and convenience.

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)


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Bug#758278: ITP: python-xstatic-jsencrypt -- JSEncrypt XStatic support

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: python-xstatic-jsencrypt
  Version : 2.0.0.2
  Upstream Author : Radomir Dopieralski openst...@sheep.art.pl
* URL : https://github.com/stackforge/xstatic-jsencrypt
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : JSEncrypt XStatic support

 XStatic is a packaging standard to package external (often 3rd party) static
 files as a Python package, so they are easily usable on all operating systems,
 with any package management system or even without one.
 .
 Many Python projects need to use some specific data files, like javascript,
 css, java applets, images, etc. Sometimes these files belong to YOUR project
 (then you may want to package them separately, but you could also just put
 them into your main package). But in many other cases, those files are
 maintained by someone else (like jQuery javascript library or even much bigger
 js libraries or applications) and you definitely do not really want to merge
 them into your project. So, you want to have static file packages, but you
 don’t want to get lots of stuff you do not want. Thus, stuff required by
 XStatic file packages (especially the main, toplevel XStatic package) tries to
 obey to be a MINIMAL, no-fat thing. XStatic doesn't sell any web framework
 or other stuff you don't want. Maybe there will be optional XStatic extensions
 for all sorts of stuff, but they won't be required if you just want the files.
 .
 By having static files in packages, it is also easier to build virtual envs,
 support linux/bsd/... distribution package maintainers and even windows
 installs using the same mechanism.
 .
 This package provides JSEncrypt support as a Python module.


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Bug#758280: ITP: python-xstatic-qunit -- QUnit XStatic support

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: python-xstatic-qunit
  Version : 1.14.0.2
  Upstream Author : Radomir Dopieralski openst...@sheep.art.pl
* URL : https://github.com/stackforge/xstatic-qunit
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : QUnit XStatic support

 XStatic is a packaging standard to package external (often 3rd party) static
 files as a Python package, so they are easily usable on all operating systems,
 with any package management system or even without one.
 .
 Many Python projects need to use some specific data files, like javascript,
 css, java applets, images, etc. Sometimes these files belong to YOUR project
 (then you may want to package them separately, but you could also just put
 them into your main package). But in many other cases, those files are
 maintained by someone else (like jQuery javascript library or even much bigger
 js libraries or applications) and you definitely do not really want to merge
 them into your project. So, you want to have static file packages, but you
 don’t want to get lots of stuff you do not want. Thus, stuff required by
 XStatic file packages (especially the main, toplevel XStatic package) tries to
 obey to be a MINIMAL, no-fat thing. XStatic doesn't sell any web framework
 or other stuff you don't want. Maybe there will be optional XStatic extensions
 for all sorts of stuff, but they won't be required if you just want the files.
 .
 By having static files in packages, it is also easier to build virtual envs,
 support linux/bsd/... distribution package maintainers and even windows
 installs using the same mechanism.
 .
 This package provides QUnit support as a Python module.


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Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Andreas Metzler
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au wrote:
 On 16 Aug 2014 16:19, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
 If you upload things to unstable that depend on things in NEW, nobody
 will be able to install or upgrade that package (until the dependency
 gets through NEW).

 In this case however the 2nd package will also get blocked in New (Python3
 support requires adding at least one new package), so it really depends
 which order the ftp-masters approve the requests.
[...]

Hello,

Then I would upload both packages to experimental.

Personally I use experimental for everything that gos through NEW
since I want to be able influence when they hit unstable.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread intrigeri
Hi,

Marco d'Itri wrote (15 Aug 2014 18:17:16 GMT) :
 On Aug 15, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
 - we can more easily share our git repositories with upstreams
   and downstreams
 Did they ask for this?

Wrt. downstreams: I guess that Raphaël is implicitly asking for this
(with his Kali hat) in this proposal. With my Tails hat, I do concur.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Guido Günther
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:18:29AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
[..snip..]
 We do this for Kali Linux too but there are always cases where some
 contributors forget about the suffix (in particular when we package stuff
 not yet in Debian, or new upstream releases of packages that lag behind in
 Debian).

In order to avoid this with gbp it's simple to ship
/etc/git-buildpacakge/gbp.conf

[DEFAULT]
debian-tag = kali/%(version)s

in kali linux's git-buildpackage.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, intrigeri wrote:
 Marco d'Itri wrote (15 Aug 2014 18:17:16 GMT) :
  On Aug 15, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
  - we can more easily share our git repositories with upstreams
and downstreams
  Did they ask for this?
 
 Wrt. downstreams: I guess that Raphaël is implicitly asking for this
 (with his Kali hat) in this proposal. With my Tails hat, I do concur.

Exactly. In Kali we use exclusively git for all packaging work
and we use gbp import-dsc on a debian branch to make it easier to
merge the debian changes in our forked packages.

It seems natural to go one step further and share the packaging repository
when Debian already uses git.

And if you need another example, I just learned that the Debian and Ubuntu
KDE teams want to use shared git repositories:
see Future Changes in
https://blogs.kde.org/2014/08/13/upstream-and-downstream-why-packaging-takes-time

So yes, there's a need here.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Guido Günther wrote:
 The gbp manual has a recommended branch layout:
 
   
 http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.import.html#GBP.BRANCH.NAMING
 
 which could serve as a basis. There's plenty of room for improvement,
 e.g. the case where one tracks upstream git isn't yet mentioned (I
 started to follow the above layout also in this case).

Some comments on this recommended layout:

1/ I suggested vendor/master rather than vendor/unstable (or sid)
   because it means we don't have to know the default codename/suite used
   for packaging of new upstream versions (in particular for downstreams)

2/ having multiple upstream/codename is bound to never be up-to-date
   when I do git checkout debian/experimental  git merge
   debian/master, upstream/experimental will get out of sync and I
   won't notice it because my package builds just fine

   However multiple upstream/* branches can be useful, they should
   just match real upstream branches... so things like upstream/master,
   upstream/4.8.x, upstream/4.9.x, etc.

3/ I don't see the need for backports/codename, I would rather
   use debian/wheezy-backports (which actually is just a specific case
   of vendor/codename since wheezy-backports is the Codename in the
   Release file)
   and security/codename is just the continuation of vendor/codename
   after a stable release, so again I don't see the need for a specific
   branch here (and if we really need a separate branch, it can again
   be vendor/codename-security)

- upstream/version
(note: we don't need an upstream branch, having the good tag for any
release that the distros are packaging is enough, it can point to a
synthetic commit built with tools like git-import-orig or to a real
upstream commit)
 
 Agreed, although having a branch (and recommended naming convention)
 can be useful.

Yes.

- pkg/version
(note: git-buildpackage uses debian/version but I find this confusing
as we then also have the debian/ prefix for ubuntu or kali uploads, we
don't need the vendor prefix as the usual versioning rules embed the
downstream distribution name (e.g. 1.0-0ubuntu1) and thus there can't be
any conflict on the namespace, keeping a prefix is important to easily
differentiate tags created by upstream developers from tags created
by packagers)
 
 The tag format is configurable in gbp and I'd expect downstreams to
 use a different name space (e.g. ubuntu/version). This makes it
 simpler to tab complete (or delete) certain groups of tags. A patch to
 make the tag message configurable too is waiting to be applied. pkg/
 is too generic since we'll have more of the RPM support upstreamed
 soonish.

Anything that needs to be configured is a source of error. I'd rather
have gbp do the right thing and pull the information from dpkg-vendor.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(Please trim the quoted mail when you answer)

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 - are there other important things to standardize?
 
 We don't even agree on if repositories should be full source or Debian
 directory only. Not sure how we can even start to discuss the rest if we
 don't agree on that. 

I don't know of any git helper tools that work on git repositories with
Debian directory only.

The vast majority (all?) of git packaging repositories have the upstream
sources.

I think this point is not really contentious.

And given the willingness to make it easier to collaborate with upstream
using git, it would be silly to not have the upstream sources in our git
repositories.

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Bug#758295: ITP: libjs-spin.js -- animated CSS3 loading spinner

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: libjs-spin.js
  Version : 1.2.8
  Upstream Author : Felix Gnass fgn...@neteye.de
* URL : https://github.com/fgnass/spin.js
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : animated CSS3 loading spinner

 Spin.js is an animated CSS3 loading spinner with VML fallback for IE. It
 features:
  * No images, no external CSS
  * No dependencies
  * Highly configurable
  * Resolution independent
  * Uses VML as fallback in old IEs
  * Uses @keyframe animations, falling back to setTimeout()
  * Works in all major browsers, including IE6
  * Small footprint (~1.9K gzipped)


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Bug#758297: ITP: python-xstatic-spin -- Spin.js XStatic support

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: python-xstatic-spin
  Version : 1.2.8.0+dfsg1
  Upstream Author : Radomir Dopieralski openst...@sheep.art.pl
* URL : https://github.com/stackforge/xstatic-spin
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Spin.js XStatic support

 XStatic is a packaging standard to package external (often 3rd party) static
 files as a Python package, so they are easily usable on all operating systems,
 with any package management system or even without one.
 .
 Many Python projects need to use some specific data files, like javascript,
 css, java applets, images, etc. Sometimes these files belong to YOUR project
 (then you may want to package them separately, but you could also just put
 them into your main package). But in many other cases, those files are
 maintained by someone else (like jQuery javascript library or even much bigger
 js libraries or applications) and you definitely do not really want to merge
 them into your project. So, you want to have static file packages, but you
 don’t want to get lots of stuff you do not want. Thus, stuff required by
 XStatic file packages (especially the main, toplevel XStatic package) tries to
 obey to be a MINIMAL, no-fat thing. XStatic doesn't sell any web framework
 or other stuff you don't want. Maybe there will be optional XStatic extensions
 for all sorts of stuff, but they won't be required if you just want the files.
 .
 By having static files in packages, it is also easier to build virtual envs,
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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On August 16, 2014 8:03:18 AM EDT, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
(Please trim the quoted mail when you answer)

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 - are there other important things to standardize?
 
 We don't even agree on if repositories should be full source or
Debian
 directory only. Not sure how we can even start to discuss the rest if
we
 don't agree on that. 

I don't know of any git helper tools that work on git repositories with
Debian directory only.

The vast majority (all?) of git packaging repositories have the
upstream
sources.

I think this point is not really contentious.

And given the willingness to make it easier to collaborate with
upstream
using git, it would be silly to not have the upstream sources in our
git
repositories.

Silly or not in your opinion, the Qt-KDE team repositories are set up this way.

They seem to like it and I don't think the project as a whole ought to try and 
force them to do work a different way.

Additionally, other tools, like git-dpm, have their own requirements for branch 
naming. That's the one tool that got me using git for packaging, so it would be 
nice if it kept working. Please send patches so it works with the new scheme as 
well as conversion scripts for existing repositories. 

Scott K



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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 Silly or not in your opinion, the Qt-KDE team repositories are set up this 
 way.

Sorry, I wasn't aware of that and didn't want to imply anything on people
using such a scheme.

Still it would be interesting to know why the team made this choice and
what tools they are using to make this work. Anyone has pointers or can
explain us the choices made?

 Additionally, other tools, like git-dpm, have their own requirements for
 branch naming. That's the one tool that got me using git for packaging,
 so it would be nice if it kept working. Please send patches so it works
 with the new scheme as well as conversion scripts for existing
 repositories. 

That's certainly something that ought to happen once we have some
agreement on the desired layout.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Guido Günther wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:18:29AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 [..snip..]
  We do this for Kali Linux too but there are always cases where some
  contributors forget about the suffix (in particular when we package stuff
  not yet in Debian, or new upstream releases of packages that lag behind in
  Debian).
 
 In order to avoid this with gbp it's simple to ship
 /etc/git-buildpacakge/gbp.conf
 
 [DEFAULT]
 debian-tag = kali/%(version)s
 
 in kali linux's git-buildpackage.

Thanks for the tip but I don't want to have to fork Debian development
packages. However it would be nice if we could ship a configuration
snippet in /etc/git-buildpackage/gbp.conf.d/kali.conf (in a kali-dev
package for example).

BTW it's unrelated to the quoted sentence since I was speaking of the
kali suffix that we add in package versions (1.0-0kali1).

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXII, Bálint Réczey a écrit :
 Using Gerrit and file ownersip are not mutually exclusive. Gerrit
 can be configured to automatically invite the right people for review
 based on the changed path. We recently migrated to Gerrit at the
 Wireshark project and it helps a lot in coordinating the reviews.

I am afraid this discussion on Gerrit or other similar tools is pointless:
this is trying to solve a human problem with technical means: it never
works.

Actually, I believe all this peer-review business to be a red herring. On
the FFmpeg side, most patches except the very simple ones are sent to the
mailing-list for peer-review, even patches by people with commit rights
working on their own code; they do so not because a rule states they have
too but because this is the best thing to achieve good code. On the other
hand, I remember having seen patches somewhat rushed through the mandatory
review on libav-devel and applied when someone else still had remarks; I
have not kept tabs on that though.

The real issue between the mandatory peer-review on the mailing-list is,
IMHO, control of the project orientation. Not is this patch correct? but
do we want this patch?.

If you are involved in the project, it is very obvious that both branches
have rather opposed views on the project orientation: libav has made a point
of trimming unnecessary features and rejecting new ones while FFmpeg kept
them and added some.

A few examples:

* Libav removed ffserver, FFmpeg kept it, trying to unbreak it. The commit
  message said appears simpler to write a new replacement from scratch,
  but in the meantime, users are left without the feature.

* Libav removed the framerate detection code, FFmpeg built on it to handle
  it in filtering too. I do not find them right now, but I have found a few
  files that avconv wanted to encode at an insane frame rate while ffmpeg
  correctly guessed; and right now, -vf fps does not work alone with very
  common formats in avconv.

* Libav removed the keyboard interaction (Press [q] to stop) while FFmpeg
  extended it.

Beyond these obvious cases, FFmpeg has gained quite a few features that, I
am pretty certain of it, would not have been accepted into libav: the concat
demuxer (has been called hack on the mailing-lists IIRC), the lavfi
sources made for testing, support for some obscure format through an
external library, subtitles hard-burning, etc.

The most galling in this issue is that there is no clear decision behind
this orientation. The fork's manifesto stated that everyone was equal
amongst equals, with or without commit rights, but the people who do have
the commit rights are few and of a common mind, they can just give the cold
shoulder to proposed changes that do not suit their personal view of the
project.

Considering these differences in policy, I do not believe the fork can be
merged. Speaking as someone who proposed a few of these unnecessary
features, because they were fun or immediately useful, I would not like to
work on a project that would reject them by principle. But I can recognize,
for someone who needs serious professional software, the need of working
on something driven with a firmer hand.


Having a fork is not inherently bad, and it becomes necessary when people
have different views for the orientation of the projects.

It becomes bad when people not involved in the project start to suffer from
the consequences of the fork. This is what is happening here, for two
reasons:

* distributions adopting one side of the fork for non-technical reasons;

* one side of the fork not caring about compatibility with the other side.

Of course, these reasons are interconnected.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/15/2014 11:53 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
 It's also something the Linux kernel is still doing, with apparent
 success.

Yes, the Linux kernel is a successful project. Does this mean using a
list for reviewing patches is a good thing? No! The workflow with a list
is simply horrible. Using git-review and gerrit is so much better.

 I for one consider it to be a much more public, transparent, and
 discoverable way to let proposed patches and the review of same be open
 to public view, compared to the way various other projects seem to do
 it.
 
 Making sure everything passes through the mailing list, and most if not
 all substantive discussion happens on the mailing list, is a lot better
 than having some discussion on the mailing lists and some on a bug
 tracker and some on IRC and some via private mail and so on. (The most
 ridiculously extreme example of this fragmentation that I know of is
 probably the Mozilla project.)

This reasoning may work when you have only a small amount of information
to read. When you are overwhelmed with it, having different places to do
different things is a much better approach. Sending patches to a list
simply doesn't scale.

Also, with a list, it's not convenient at all to point out a line in a
patch in a mailing list. You must extract the relevant lines, cut/past
them, and comment them. Instead, double clicking on the line of the
patch which is displayed on a web interface is much more convenient.

 There's nothing wrong with having discussion in those various areas, of
 course; it's probably inevitable, and it's even a good thing. It's just
 that it's a lot harder for someone not intimately involved with the
 project to follow discussion if it happens in such a variety of places,
 and there's value to be found in making sure that everything passes
 through one central (discussion-enabled) point before landing.

Lists are good tools for discussing where a project should go, release
goals, and so on. They aren't good tools to do patch reviews. I've used
both, and I'm convinced of that.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Nicolas George
Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXII, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
   If you guys could find a solution to try to work together
 again, and merge back both projects, that'd be best for everyone.

When people suggest that, I always wonder how they see that happening with
regard to the code.

In more than three years since the fork, development has continued on both
branches. Changes are continuously ported from libav to FFmpeg, but code was
also written for FFmpeg and never merged by libav. Some of this code, the
libav people have made very clear they specifically did not want it.

So what about the code? Shall the FFmpeg developers discard three years of
work and start working on libav? Or shall the libav developers accept to
work with the code from FFmpeg that they do not like?

I see neither as an option.

The only option is to make sure the users do not suffer from the fork, by
making sure they can easily use the version that is most suited for their
need without being sucked into the developers' disagreements.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Nicolas George geo...@nsup.org wrote:


 The only option is to make sure the users do not suffer from the fork, by
 making sure they can easily use the version that is most suited for their
 need without being sucked into the developers' disagreements.


Can we get back on topic?

With or without libav in Debian, there are solid technical reasons to have
ffmpeg in Debian. We have both GraphicsMagick and ImageMagick (although
they parted ways in a civilized way: different library names), and we
certainly have a ton of librarys which provide very similar features.

Since before the fork, the libav developers have been sabotaging ffmpeg as
much as possible, in every combat field: library names, library versions,
taking distributions hostage (ffmpeg package that installs libav!?), etc.
This is not the way to fork anything. This is a fact. I don't care whether
Michael Nidermayer was a dictator or not. I don't care whether the
code-review rules in libav are better or worse. I don't care what the Linux
kernel does. The only thing I care about is Debian is shipping a
less-capable (i. e. less multimedia formats supported) distribution due to
this conflict.

This has to stop.

ffmpeg is not yet in Debian due to the filename clashing, which will most
certainly cause binary problems.

If libav and ffmpeg maintainers cannot reach an agreement regarding library
names and it's not possible to simply use either ffmpeg or libav
indistinctly due missing features binary compatibility, etc, the obvious
solution is that BOTH libav and ffmpeg rename their libraries in Debian. E.
g. libavcodec-ffmpeg.so and libavcodec-libav.so, etc. Maybe even use
alternatives to provide the binaries (ffmpeg, ffplay, etc). It's been done
in the past.

And before someone mentions it: I don't think it's too late. It's getting
too late because nobody with the right to act is doing anything. In the
end, our users are the ones being harmed and we are left wondering why they
are increasingly moving to other distributions or Mac OS X.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread wm4
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 23:29:56 +0800
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:

 On 08/15/2014 11:53 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
  It's also something the Linux kernel is still doing, with apparent
  success.
 
 Yes, the Linux kernel is a successful project. Does this mean using a
 list for reviewing patches is a good thing? No! The workflow with a list
 is simply horrible. Using git-review and gerrit is so much better.
 
  I for one consider it to be a much more public, transparent, and
  discoverable way to let proposed patches and the review of same be open
  to public view, compared to the way various other projects seem to do
  it.
  
  Making sure everything passes through the mailing list, and most if not
  all substantive discussion happens on the mailing list, is a lot better
  than having some discussion on the mailing lists and some on a bug
  tracker and some on IRC and some via private mail and so on. (The most
  ridiculously extreme example of this fragmentation that I know of is
  probably the Mozilla project.)
 
 This reasoning may work when you have only a small amount of information
 to read. When you are overwhelmed with it, having different places to do
 different things is a much better approach. Sending patches to a list
 simply doesn't scale.
 
 Also, with a list, it's not convenient at all to point out a line in a
 patch in a mailing list. You must extract the relevant lines, cut/past
 them, and comment them. Instead, double clicking on the line of the
 patch which is displayed on a web interface is much more convenient.

What? Most patches are posted inline (with git-send-email).
 
  There's nothing wrong with having discussion in those various areas, of
  course; it's probably inevitable, and it's even a good thing. It's just
  that it's a lot harder for someone not intimately involved with the
  project to follow discussion if it happens in such a variety of places,
  and there's value to be found in making sure that everything passes
  through one central (discussion-enabled) point before landing.
 
 Lists are good tools for discussing where a project should go, release
 goals, and so on. They aren't good tools to do patch reviews. I've used
 both, and I'm convinced of that.

What we need is solving the FFmpeg/Libav split, not well-meant
suggestions by outsiders how to change our development model.

 Thomas Goirand (zigo)
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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Simon McVittie wrote:
 I've been hesitating on whether to ask this because it gets into
 questions of workflow and repo structure that are very much a matter of
 taste and don't have a single widely-declared-to-be-good answer, but I
 think one of the important questions is: what is actually on the vendor
 (e.g. Debian) branch?

I think we can answer this question without imposing the associated
workflow.

What's on the branch should be a directory where we can call
dpkg-buildpackage and have the build work.

I believe that most of the current workflows do respect this rule (except
for the case where you only store the debian directory).

 git-buildpackage --git-export, with only debian/ in git
 ---
 
 It is possible to use git-buildpackage with --git-export (either
 explicitly, or configured in debian/gbp.conf) for packages that only
 keep debian/ in git. In this situation, the only possibility is to have
 patches *not* pre-applied, because there is nothing there to patch. This
 matches how teams like pkg-gnome have traditionally used svn.
 
 I would strongly recommend having upstream source in git, not just
 debian/, with one exception: packages like openarena-data, which mostly
 contain giant binary files that cannot meaningfully be patched.

Are you sure that --git-export is the right option? It needs a treeish so
I would expect that it can only use something that is in the git
repository.

Looking at the doc it's --git-overlay that is the important option,
obviously you need to combine this with --git-export-dir=../build-area/
to mimick what svn-buildpackage does.

(FWIW I do use --git-export-dir=../build-area/ but not --git-overlay)

 git-dpm
 ---
 
 git-dpm encourages the contents of the vendor branch to be exactly the
 source that will be built, vendor patches *are* applied and uses a
 relatively elaborate merging structure to avoid rebasing
 (http://git-dpm.alioth.debian.org/). I don't know whether .pc is
 typically present in the tree for 3.0 (quilt) packages or not, or
 whether users of git-dpm avoid 3.0 (quilt) format altogether.

I'm not a git-dpm user but I just tried. patches are applied but .pc
is not present. This means that you can't use quilt but you can
call dpkg-buildpackage and have it just work because dpkg-source
is smart enough to detect that patches are already applied.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
 On 08/16/2014 07:05 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:

 However upstream may build tarballs through a (hopefully
 repeatable/automated) process at release time, publish checksums and
 signatures for them, et cetera and prefer packagers use those as the
 original tarballs for official release versions.

 And then? If I prefer to use their git repository, and create my own
 orig.tar.xz out of a signed git tag, what is the problem, as long as I
 use the tag they provided by upstream?

Suppose someone wants to check (possibly as part of a forensic
investigation) that the source in Debian matches the source released and
signed by upstream.  If you reuse the upstream tarball, the signature is
valid, so this is as simple as verifying the Debian *.orig.tar.xz file
against the upstream signature or a checksum of a good copy of the
upstream source.  If you regenerate the tarball, those checksums are no
longer valid, and now someone has to unpack both tarballs and compare all
of the files (and, depending on what they're checking, permissions and
other metadata) individually.

It's not a huge advantage, but for me at least it's a quality of
implementation issue to base the packaging on the tarball as released,
instead of on a tarball generated from the same file tree.

 Also, what if I need to build a Debian package out of an upstream
 commit, because there's some bug fixes which I need, but there's no
 upstream tarball available?

Then obviously these issues don't apply.  :)

 Generally, upstream don't provide checksums, even less provide PGP
 signatures, while tags in git repositories are often pgp signed (and I
 collected a bunch of signatures already in my ring).

I'm surprised that upstreams that sign their Git tags don't sign their
tarballs.  My experience is the opposite: signed tarballs are more common
than signed Git tags, at least for upstreams that do tarball releases at
all.

 And often, upstream include in the tarball artifacts which we do not
 need, like generated files and so on.

This is true, and opinions differ about the tradeoff there.  I personally
prefer to upload the source as released by upstream, including those
artifacts, to Debian, because I don't know how people who pull the source
from Debian might want to use it.  Yes, *we* don't need those artifacts,
but maybe someone wants to do an apt-get download and then run ./configure
and make for some reason without using the Debian packaging.

Basically, I see no harm, only a small amount of additional work once
pristine-tar and git-buildpackage are set up properly, and a moderate gain
to basing packaging on the upstream tarball as released.  I also do this
for packages for which I'm upstream.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Pau Garcia i Quiles pgqui...@elpauer.org writes:

 If libav and ffmpeg maintainers cannot reach an agreement regarding
 library names and it's not possible to simply use either ffmpeg or libav
 indistinctly due missing features binary compatibility, etc, the obvious
 solution is that BOTH libav and ffmpeg rename their libraries in
 Debian. E. g. libavcodec-ffmpeg.so and libavcodec-libav.so, etc. Maybe
 even use alternatives to provide the binaries (ffmpeg, ffplay,
 etc). It's been done in the past.

None of this is why libav and FFmpeg can't both be in the archive.  They
can't both be in the archive because both the release team and the
security team have said that they're not interested in trying to support
both, due to the amount of work involved.

All the renaming and cordial co-existence in the world won't change this.
The things that would change this is for one or both projects to develop a
better security track record and a history of higher-quality code releases
that require less ongoing work in stable, or for the people who care
deeply about this to somehow find a way to relieve the impact on those
teams in some way acceptable to those teams.

Short of that, there's clearly a need for software of this type in Debian,
and at the same time it's clearly a ton of work.  The teams involved have
indicated that they're willing (if not necessarily happy) to deal with one
version of the source base, but not two.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi Russ,

Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (2014-08-16):
 None of this is why libav and FFmpeg can't both be in the archive.
 They can't both be in the archive because both the release team and
 the security team have said that they're not interested in trying to
 support both, due to the amount of work involved.

the release team only has a say on what ends up in testing (and then
in stable); it cannot, and AFAICT hasn't tried to, block ffmpeg from
entering the archive. FTP masters have the control over the archive
as a whole.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Philip Muskovac
On Saturday 16 August 2014 17:09:54 Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
  Silly or not in your opinion, the Qt-KDE team repositories are set up this 
  way.
 
 Sorry, I wasn't aware of that and didn't want to imply anything on people
 using such a scheme.
 
 Still it would be interesting to know why the team made this choice and
 what tools they are using to make this work. Anyone has pointers or can
 explain us the choices made?

I'm writing this from a Kubuntu POV which should be close to debian-qt-kde as 
we have a pretty close workflow (one of the reasons why we're talking about 
moving our branches to their repositories) as we also only keep the debian/ dir 
in the VCS.

a) Consistent VCS based packaging workflow
While upstream has switched most of their repositories to git, there's 
a couple (artwork related) repositories that are kept in SVN, so if we would 
use a git-based workflow with source and packaging together, we would have to 
manage different workflows for specific packages within the same release which 
is something I would prefer not to do.

b) Repository size
Cloning the upstream kdelibs repository is currently a ~158MiB 
download, and while that might be one of the largest repositories, a KDE SC 
release consists of ~170 tarballs so even leaving the SVN managed ones aside 
you have to download *a lot*. It is a lot easier to work with a couple MiB 
large packaging repositories that only manage the debian/ folder. (Add KDE 
Frameworks 5 and Plasma5 and you've far surpassed the 200 package mark)

c) Upstream tag management
The KDE release team currently publishes tarballs with checksums and 
git/svn revisions to packagers before the actual release for build testing and 
early Q/A. So when we build the packages, there is no git tag yet that we could 
use to generate a tarball ourselves, we would have to parse the tarball list 
for the commit hash that was used to generate the tarball and base our 
packaging on that - or wait for the tags and loose the chance to give the 
release team pre-release feedback.

I might've missed something else, but those are some of our reasons for not 
managing the source ourselves.
Both bzr builddeb and git buildpackage can download a tarball during the 
package build in case the upstream source isn't already there (I usually rely 
on watch files in the packages and deb-src entries in my apt configuration for 
that)


Aside from the different workflow, I do like the tagging proposal with 
vendor/version as that did not yet come up in my discussion with the 
debian-qt-kde folks.

Philip

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes:
 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (2014-08-16):

 None of this is why libav and FFmpeg can't both be in the archive.
 They can't both be in the archive because both the release team and
 the security team have said that they're not interested in trying to
 support both, due to the amount of work involved.

 the release team only has a say on what ends up in testing (and then
 in stable); it cannot, and AFAICT hasn't tried to, block ffmpeg from
 entering the archive. FTP masters have the control over the archive
 as a whole.

Sorry, yes, good point.  I should have been clearer.  I assume the goal
was to get both into a stable release.  If people wanted to upload FFmpeg
only to unstable without propagation to testing or making it part of a
release, that's a possibly different situation with different tradeoffs
and issues involved.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 16.08.2014 18:20, schrieb Russ Allbery:
 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
 On 08/16/2014 07:05 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
 
 However upstream may build tarballs through a (hopefully
 repeatable/automated) process at release time, publish checksums and
 signatures for them, et cetera and prefer packagers use those as the
 original tarballs for official release versions.
 
 And then? If I prefer to use their git repository, and create my own
 orig.tar.xz out of a signed git tag, what is the problem, as long as I
 use the tag they provided by upstream?
 
 Suppose someone wants to check (possibly as part of a forensic
 investigation) that the source in Debian matches the source released and
 signed by upstream.  If you reuse the upstream tarball, the signature is
 valid, so this is as simple as verifying the Debian *.orig.tar.xz file
 against the upstream signature or a checksum of a good copy of the
 upstream source.  If you regenerate the tarball, those checksums are no
 longer valid, and now someone has to unpack both tarballs and compare all
 of the files (and, depending on what they're checking, permissions and
 other metadata) individually.

More importantly (at least in my experience): If you are working in a
team and you regenerate the tarball from git, it's very likely that the
md5sum of the generated tarball differs from what has been uploaded to
the archive by a different team maintainer in a previous upload,
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Ivan Kalvachev
On 8/16/14, Pau Garcia i Quiles pgqui...@elpauer.org wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Nicolas George geo...@nsup.org wrote:


 The only option is to make sure the users do not suffer from the fork, by
 making sure they can easily use the version that is most suited for their
 need without being sucked into the developers' disagreements.


 Can we get back on topic?

 With or without libav in Debian, there are solid technical reasons to have
 ffmpeg in Debian. We have both GraphicsMagick and ImageMagick (although
 they parted ways in a civilized way: different library names), and we
 certainly have a ton of librarys which provide very similar features.

 Since before the fork, the libav developers have been sabotaging ffmpeg as
 much as possible, in every combat field: library names, library versions,
 taking distributions hostage (ffmpeg package that installs libav!?), etc.
 This is not the way to fork anything. This is a fact. I don't care whether
 Michael Nidermayer was a dictator or not. I don't care whether the
 code-review rules in libav are better or worse. I don't care what the Linux
 kernel does. The only thing I care about is Debian is shipping a
 less-capable (i. e. less multimedia formats supported) distribution due to
 this conflict.

 This has to stop.

 ffmpeg is not yet in Debian due to the filename clashing, which will most
 certainly cause binary problems.

 If libav and ffmpeg maintainers cannot reach an agreement regarding library
 names and it's not possible to simply use either ffmpeg or libav
 indistinctly due missing features binary compatibility, etc, the obvious
 solution is that BOTH libav and ffmpeg rename their libraries in Debian. E.
 g. libavcodec-ffmpeg.so and libavcodec-libav.so, etc. Maybe even use
 alternatives to provide the binaries (ffmpeg, ffplay, etc). It's been done
 in the past.

AFAIK, Andreas' package uses libavcodec-ffmpeg.so .

FFmpeg configure does have option --build-suffix=_ffmpeg that would
append that suffix to library names and pkg-config files. Since
applications might have problem finding the ffmpeg libraries, the
pkg-config files should be with the old common names and this
creates a conflict in the -dev packages.

Libav and FFmpeg can coexist side by side.
There are no conflicts or overlap for binary users.


The current goal of FFmpeg is not replacing Libav.
The current goal is establishing a native presence in the most popular
distribution(s).


I'm quite sure the Security team is full of capable people who can
handle one more package.
FFmpeg takes security seriously.


The best scenario for everybody is:
1. Libav stays and all QA tested programs are not touched.
2. FFmpeg is included in a way that does not obstruct the rest of the ecosystem.
3. Optionally, programs that use _only_ FFmpeg could be included back
in Debian. Optionally.

The inclusion would allow for a real-life estimate to be done of the
FFmpeg performance, security, bug and feature wise.

Only after assessing real-life data, a final decision could be
reached, if there is still demand for such thing.

Best Regards
   Ivan Kalvachev


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Nicolas,

2014-08-16 17:11 GMT+02:00 Nicolas George geo...@nsup.org:
 L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXII, Bálint Réczey a écrit :
 Using Gerrit and file ownersip are not mutually exclusive. Gerrit
 can be configured to automatically invite the right people for review
 based on the changed path. We recently migrated to Gerrit at the
 Wireshark project and it helps a lot in coordinating the reviews.

 I am afraid this discussion on Gerrit or other similar tools is pointless:
 this is trying to solve a human problem with technical means: it never
 works.
I did not want to sell Gerrit over mailing-list discussion because the
work-flow is something which should be chosen by the development team
and not outsiders, but wanted to show that tools can help enforcing
some parts of the work-flow.

On the human problems vs. technical means questions I think we have
different opinions. Technical means are exceptionally great tools for
solving _some_ human problems. If the human problem is being not
satisfied with peers' behavior of not following a specific work-flow a
toll which enforces the work-flow would solve it. Making mistakes is
an other (mostly) human problem and we have lintian for example which
helps pointing them out.


 Actually, I believe all this peer-review business to be a red herring. On
 the FFmpeg side, most patches except the very simple ones are sent to the
 mailing-list for peer-review, even patches by people with commit rights
 working on their own code; they do so not because a rule states they have
 too but because this is the best thing to achieve good code. On the other
 hand, I remember having seen patches somewhat rushed through the mandatory
 review on libav-devel and applied when someone else still had remarks; I
 have not kept tabs on that though.

 The real issue between the mandatory peer-review on the mailing-list is,
 IMHO, control of the project orientation. Not is this patch correct? but
 do we want this patch?.

 If you are involved in the project, it is very obvious that both branches
 have rather opposed views on the project orientation: libav has made a point
 of trimming unnecessary features and rejecting new ones while FFmpeg kept
 them and added some.
IMO the trimming/rejecting strategy is not something which would ever
make Libav popular among developers/users and this is how we ended in
the current situation. While Libav's communicated release strategy can
attract integrators and distributions like Debian, FFmpeg attracts
developers/users of software based on Libav/FFmpeg due to more
features.
Sticking to those core strategies the two forks will compete forever
until one of them give up - which I see unlikely to happen voluntarily
- and users will keep complaining about Libav's missing features to
distributions' maintainers where FFmpeg is not packaged.

I think the best way out of this situation would be relaxing the
review requirements on Libav's side and letting not-yet-proven of
FFmpeg features in through an experimental/staging phase. If FFmpeg
devs could collaborate with them this way the two forks could be
converged and finally merged and the combined team could maintain a
lot better media library than the current forks are separately.

Cheers,
Balint


 A few examples:

 * Libav removed ffserver, FFmpeg kept it, trying to unbreak it. The commit
   message said appears simpler to write a new replacement from scratch,
   but in the meantime, users are left without the feature.

 * Libav removed the framerate detection code, FFmpeg built on it to handle
   it in filtering too. I do not find them right now, but I have found a few
   files that avconv wanted to encode at an insane frame rate while ffmpeg
   correctly guessed; and right now, -vf fps does not work alone with very
   common formats in avconv.

 * Libav removed the keyboard interaction (Press [q] to stop) while FFmpeg
   extended it.

 Beyond these obvious cases, FFmpeg has gained quite a few features that, I
 am pretty certain of it, would not have been accepted into libav: the concat
 demuxer (has been called hack on the mailing-lists IIRC), the lavfi
 sources made for testing, support for some obscure format through an
 external library, subtitles hard-burning, etc.

 The most galling in this issue is that there is no clear decision behind
 this orientation. The fork's manifesto stated that everyone was equal
 amongst equals, with or without commit rights, but the people who do have
 the commit rights are few and of a common mind, they can just give the cold
 shoulder to proposed changes that do not suit their personal view of the
 project.

 Considering these differences in policy, I do not believe the fork can be
 merged. Speaking as someone who proposed a few of these unnecessary
 features, because they were fun or immediately useful, I would not like to
 work on a project that would reject them by principle. But I can recognize,
 for someone who needs serious professional software, the need of 

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Russ,

2014-08-16 18:59 GMT+02:00 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org:
 Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes:
 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (2014-08-16):

 None of this is why libav and FFmpeg can't both be in the archive.
 They can't both be in the archive because both the release team and
 the security team have said that they're not interested in trying to
 support both, due to the amount of work involved.

 the release team only has a say on what ends up in testing (and then
 in stable); it cannot, and AFAICT hasn't tried to, block ffmpeg from
 entering the archive. FTP masters have the control over the archive
 as a whole.

 Sorry, yes, good point.  I should have been clearer.  I assume the goal
 was to get both into a stable release.  If people wanted to upload FFmpeg
 only to unstable without propagation to testing or making it part of a
 release, that's a possibly different situation with different tradeoffs
 and issues involved.
For now the target is not stable, but unstable/experimental. Both the
Security and Release Teams could keep an RC bug on the package until
they are fine with letting it into testing.

Cheers,
Balint


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Ivan Kalvachev ikalvac...@gmail.com writes:

 I'm quite sure the Security team is full of capable people who can
 handle one more package.

One, no, this statement is not correct.  Not because the security team is
not capable -- they are very capable -- but because they are not *full*.
You imply that the security team has tons of resources and time to spare.
Let me assure you that this is far from the case.  This isn't even the
case for security teams consisting of full-time staff paid by commercial
Linux distributions, let alone volunteers for the Debian project.

Two, the security team has already said that FFmpeg is not just one more
package, and that no, they can't handle the substantial incremental load
from adding FFmpeg without removing libav.  You may not think that should
be the case, but I'm afraid your opinion on the topic doesn't matter
unless you're finding a way to either reduce that work or add more
resources.

 FFmpeg takes security seriously.

I'm sure that it does.

The problem, however, is that taking security seriously, while possibly
necessary, is not sufficient.  I'm glad that FFmpeg takes security
seriously, but what FFmpeg needs is to *have fewer security bugs*.

This isn't about anyone's good intentions.  It's about the reality of
past, very negative experience with FFmpeg's security track record.

It's clear that efforts are underway to improve that, such as through the
fuzz testing work that Google (among others) has been doing.  That's
great, but I'm sure you can also understand that the past track record has
been sufficiently bad that everyone will continue to be leery for a while.
To change that impression, FFmpeg is going to have to substantially
improve on its past security track record and then *maintain* that new
level of security for some period of time.

Note that all of the above statements also apply to libav.  As near as I
can tell, this is not a distinguishing characteristic between the two
projects.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Thomas,

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote:
The goal here is to be able to host in the same repository the branches 
  for
multiple cooperating distributions (at least so that downstream can
clone the debian respository and inject their branches next to the
debian branches).
 
 I generally use debian/unstable, but sometimes, it's best to follow
 upstream (for OpenStack, I use debian/icehouse, debian/juno, etc.), so
 there's no one-size-fit-all here.

Branches are cheap so you can easily have both if the upstream-based
branches bring you value. But it's disconcerting for random Debian
contributors to not have a clear mapping with Debian releases.

- upstream/version
(note: we don't need an upstream branch, having the good tag for any
release that the distros are packaging is enough, it can point to a
synthetic commit built with tools like git-import-orig or to a real
upstream commit)
 
 Why would you tag the upstream release? I mean, it's upstream's job to
 do so, and it's natural to use their git tagging and their git
 repository, no?

Ideally, yes, but:
- not all upstreams use git (and in those case we want to create our own
  tags pointing to synthetic commits created by tools like gbp import-orig)
- among upstream using git, some are not creating proper tags/releases
  (and we are doing releases based on snapshot tarballs where we are
  creating our own version like 0~20140812)
- among upstream who are creating tags, there's no single naming
  convention that is shared (and it can be useful to duplicate the
  upstream tags in a namespace of our own)

Obviously, when upstream are already doing everything correctly, creating
the upstream/version tag should not become some administrative chore but
it could be done automatically as part of a some gbp upstream-merge
upstream-tag command for example.

  - where should the HEAD point to in the public repository?
 
 IMO, it should point to the packaging branch for Sid, but YMMV. Why is
 this important?

It's the default branch one gets when you do git clone, it's better if
the user ends up on some useful branch. I agree with you, it should
probably be vendor/master (assuming we keep that branch naming).

  - the above layout is for the traditional case of non-native packages,
what would be the layout for native packages? how can be differentiate
between native/non-native layout?
 
 Sorry, which layout are you talking about? With pristine-tar? Well, I
 don't think using pristine-tar is in any way traditional, it's just
 one of the workflow, which I always avoid if upstream is using Git and
 has correct tagging.

This question had nothing to do with pristine-tar. It's just that if you look
at the dpkg repository, we are doing upstream development in Debian and
are thus using the master branch directly (and it would not make sense for
us to start using debian/master). Similarly, since we are also upstream,
it would not make much sense for us to create upstream/version tags...

Hence the question of how to adapt the conventions for this specific case.

  - are there other important things to standardize?
 
 Yes. Producing orig.tar.xz out of upstream tag should be industrialized,
 and written in some tools, which we would all be using. I currently
 do: ./debian/rules gen-orig-xz, but that shouldn't be specific to my own
 packages.

Elsewhere you seem to imply that git archive should be enough. So what
is there to industrialize here?

That said I don't believe that this DEP should mandate anything on the
tarball to use (i.e. upstream provided tarballs vs something generated
with git archive).

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Simon McVittie
On 16/08/14 17:09, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Simon McVittie wrote:
 It is possible to use git-buildpackage with --git-export (either
 explicitly, or configured in debian/gbp.conf) for packages that only
 keep debian/ in git.
 
 Are you sure that --git-export is the right option?
...
 Looking at the doc it's --git-overlay that is the important option,
 obviously you need to combine this with --git-export-dir=../build-area/
 to mimick what svn-buildpackage does.

Yes, you're right. In my only package that needs it (openarena-data,
which consists of large binaries that can't be patched) I configured it
in debian/gbp.conf, so I've never actually needed to remember the right
option :-)

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Philip Muskovac wrote:
 I'm writing this from a Kubuntu POV which should be close to
 debian-qt-kde as we have a pretty close workflow (one of the reasons why
 we're talking about moving our branches to their repositories) as we
 also only keep the debian/ dir in the VCS.

Thanks for your feedback! A couple of comments though:

 a) Consistent VCS based packaging workflow
   While upstream has switched most of their repositories to git,
   there's a couple (artwork related) repositories that are kept in
   SVN, so if we would use a git-based workflow with source and
   packaging together, we would have to manage different workflows
   for specific packages within the same release which is something I
   would prefer not to do.

In both cases upstream releases tarballs, no? So that could be the layer
that offers the consistency that you're looking for (with the help of gbp
import-orig).

 b) Repository size

It's clear that having the upstream sources takes a lot of space and
it takes a while if you download everything at once. But in my experience
it has never been a problem. I must test build every package that I modify
so I need the sources anyway.

And there's a lot of value in the history. I often do git log -p setup.py
or git log -p Build.PL to discover new dependencies introduced by a new
upstream release.

FWIW my Kali work directory contains 200 repositories (and linux is one
of them) and takes about 6 Gb. Hardly a problem with the size of current
harddisk. We use gbp import-orig and pristine-tar.

 c) Upstream tag management
   The KDE release team currently publishes tarballs with checksums
   and git/svn revisions to packagers before the actual release for
   build testing and early Q/A. So when we build the packages, there
   is no git tag yet that we could use to generate a tarball
   ourselves, we would have to parse the tarball list for the commit
   hash that was used to generate the tarball and base our packaging
   on that - or wait for the tags and loose the chance to give the
   release team pre-release feedback.

Again the upstream tarballs are sufficient if you use a workflow based
on gbp import-orig.

 Aside from the different workflow, I do like the tagging proposal with
 vendor/version as that did not yet come up in my discussion with the
 debian-qt-kde folks.

I wanted to have this discussion for a while, but when I learned of this
shared repository plan I decided to go forward thinking that it could be
useful in this specific case...

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
  - the above layout is for the traditional case of non-native packages,
what would be the layout for native packages? how can be differentiate
between native/non-native layout?
 
 Please don't.  It would be Really Troublesome should a package need to
 switch from native to non-native, or the opposite.

Why?

Until we have defined what the layout is for a native package, you can't
assume this. It's possibly a subset of the conventions for non-native
packages + some common conventions in all software projects.

Something like:
- branches
  - master: main development branch
  - vendor/codename: only for downstreams (not Debian which is upstream)
- tags
  - version: release tags
  - vendor/version: only for downstreams

 If you're worried about an useless master branch, one can do away with it
 with help of git symbolic-ref on bare repositories:
 
 git symbolic-ref HEAD refs/heads/debian/master
 
 will change a bare repo's default branch to debian/master, you can remove
 the master branch after that.

That's a good idea anyway.

  - are there other important things to standardize?
 
 What to do with packages that already adopt other schemes?  A lot of
 packages already use dgit, git-buildpackage, etc and have signed tags they
 might want to preserve.

Ideally, once we have clear conventions, the various tools start to use
the new conventions. That said I don't see the need to rename all past
tags. But if enough people feel that such renames are useful, I'm sure
the operations can be scripted and integrated in new versions of the
various tools.

 Also, tag namespace is shared with upstream, so it has to be somewhat
 flexible in case the recommended scheme cannot be used.

That's one of the reason why we use a prefix. Do you have a concrete
example of when it could be problematic?

The only problematic case I can think of is when upstream already has
a debian tag.

 Release tags ought to always be signed really,

Yes.

 but should we recommend something about commits or just ignore that?

I have no opinion on this and I have never done this.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
 Hi,

 On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Guido Günther wrote:
 The gbp manual has a recommended branch layout:

   
 http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.import.html#GBP.BRANCH.NAMING

 which could serve as a basis. There's plenty of room for improvement,
 e.g. the case where one tracks upstream git isn't yet mentioned (I
 started to follow the above layout also in this case).

 Some comments on this recommended layout:

 1/ I suggested vendor/master rather than vendor/unstable (or sid)
because it means we don't have to know the default codename/suite used
for packaging of new upstream versions (in particular for downstreams)

 2/ having multiple upstream/codename is bound to never be up-to-date
when I do git checkout debian/experimental  git merge
debian/master, upstream/experimental will get out of sync and I
won't notice it because my package builds just fine

However multiple upstream/* branches can be useful, they should
just match real upstream branches... so things like upstream/master,
upstream/4.8.x, upstream/4.9.x, etc.

 3/ I don't see the need for backports/codename, I would rather
use debian/wheezy-backports (which actually is just a specific case
of vendor/codename since wheezy-backports is the Codename in the
Release file)
and security/codename is just the continuation of vendor/codename
after a stable release, so again I don't see the need for a specific
branch here (and if we really need a separate branch, it can again
be vendor/codename-security)

I use for debian patches a debian-patches/version branch. Friendly
upstream could cherry pick if they need it.

Bastien

- upstream/version
(note: we don't need an upstream branch, having the good tag for any
release that the distros are packaging is enough, it can point to a
synthetic commit built with tools like git-import-orig or to a real
upstream commit)

 Agreed, although having a branch (and recommended naming convention)
 can be useful.

 Yes.

- pkg/version
(note: git-buildpackage uses debian/version but I find this confusing
as we then also have the debian/ prefix for ubuntu or kali uploads, we
don't need the vendor prefix as the usual versioning rules embed the
downstream distribution name (e.g. 1.0-0ubuntu1) and thus there can't be
any conflict on the namespace, keeping a prefix is important to easily
differentiate tags created by upstream developers from tags created
by packagers)

 The tag format is configurable in gbp and I'd expect downstreams to
 use a different name space (e.g. ubuntu/version). This makes it
 simpler to tab complete (or delete) certain groups of tags. A patch to
 make the tag message configurable too is waiting to be applied. pkg/
 is too generic since we'll have more of the RPM support upstreamed
 soonish.

 Anything that needs to be configured is a source of error. I'd rather
 have gbp do the right thing and pull the information from dpkg-vendor.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/16/2014 03:53 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
 On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
 The alternative is handwaving and ignoring the fact that your package
 repository is not a complete representation of your package as it exists in
 the archive.
 
 What's wrong with storing the upstream tarballs themselves on a separate
 branch, if you're that desperate to have them inside the same git repo as
 the code?

That would be a waste of space, especially for large tarballs. Even for large
upstream sources storing the pristine tar delta only takes a very small amount
of space compared to what is needed to store the original tarball.


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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/16/2014 02:03 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 I don't know of any git helper tools that work on git repositories with
 Debian directory only.

git-buildpackage --git-overlay

works just fine since ~2009.
I'm wondering if you actually ever investigated if there is a tool instead of
blindly assuming there is none.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
 On 08/16/2014 02:03 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
  I don't know of any git helper tools that work on git repositories with
  Debian directory only.
 
 git-buildpackage --git-overlay
 
 works just fine since ~2009.

Thanks for the information.

 I'm wondering if you actually ever investigated if there is a tool instead of
 blindly assuming there is none.

I just said that I did not know, not that I investigated the topic
extensively. FWIW, I already made it clear that I see no value in
maintaining a debian directory only... but obviously others are free
to think differently, and apparently some do. :-)

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 16, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:

 Because you're a Debian Developer and might want to upload a package to
 the archive without downloading the uploaded tarball which substantially
 duplicates what you have in your source tree? Or you're collaborating
 with someone and need to use a repacked tarball?
You only need this if you fail to correctly build the binary package, 
since in these cases you would not do a sourceful upload.
And anyway I'd say that downloading the original archive is simpler than 
having to deal with pristine-tar...

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:

 And anyway I'd say that downloading the original archive is simpler than 
 having to deal with pristine-tar...

I'm mystified.  What is there to deal with?  I literally never touch it.
It just works, completely transparently and silently.

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Re: incoming.debian.org opens its doors to the public

2014-08-16 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org (2014-08-17):
 incoming.debian.org is used to publish recently uploaded source and
 binary packages before they reach the mirror network of the main
 archive. Until now, however, with the exception of the buildd network,
 it has not been possible to verify the integrity of the files. This was
 traditionally because we did not want to load ftp-master.debian.org by
 many users downloading files.
 
 Several people informed us that it would make their work on Debian
 easier, if they had a way to securely access these packages. So we
 decided to implement some changes to incoming.debian.org:
 
 First, the archive used by buildds is now publically accessible in
 http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/. This location provides access
 to all recently uploaded packages, split into individual suites, and
 provides the neccessary metadata for APT to verify the integrity of the
 published files. See [1] for details.
 
   [1] http://incoming.debian.org/HEADER.html
 
 Secondly, source and binary packages are no longer published directly on
 http://incoming.debian.org/. Instead, people are encouraged to use the
 pool layout described above which is configured per-suite and contains
 Release files which have been signed in the normal way.
 
 We would also like to thank the Debian System Administration team who
 quickly setup the static mirror setup for the new incoming.d.o, thus
 making this possible.  We would also like to thank the wanna-build and
 buildd team for making the relevant changes to the buildds quickly so
 that we could make this change live.

Being one of the developers (particularly) enjoying such a move: thank
you very much, all of you.

Mraw,
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread wm4
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:59:20 -0700
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:

 The problem, however, is that taking security seriously, while possibly
 necessary, is not sufficient.  I'm glad that FFmpeg takes security
 seriously, but what FFmpeg needs is to *have fewer security bugs*.

That is very valuable advice. We'll get to work right away.

 Note that all of the above statements also apply to libav.  As near as I
 can tell, this is not a distinguishing characteristic between the two
 projects.

And that's an argument against switching to FFmpeg exactly how?


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun

Hi,

On 16.08.2014 17:49, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:

On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Nicolas George geo...@nsup.org
mailto:geo...@nsup.org wrote:


The only option is to make sure the users do not suffer from the
fork, by
making sure they can easily use the version that is most suited for
their
need without being sucked into the developers' disagreements.


Can we get back on topic?


Yes. I have now sent the pkg-config patches to the BTS [1].


With or without libav in Debian, there are solid technical reasons to
have ffmpeg in Debian. We have both GraphicsMagick and ImageMagick
(although they parted ways in a civilized way: different library names),
and we certainly have a ton of librarys which provide very similar features.


This is also my point of view.


Since before the fork, the libav developers have been sabotaging ffmpeg
as much as possible, in every combat field: library names, library
versions, taking distributions hostage (ffmpeg package that installs
libav!?), etc. This is not the way to fork anything. This is a fact.


It would be nice, if everyone, including you, would refrain from posting 
such flamebaits on debian-devel.

Please try to follow Debian's code of conduct [2].


I don't care whether Michael Nidermayer was a dictator or not. I don't
care whether the code-review rules in libav are better or worse. I don't
care what the Linux kernel does. The only thing I care about is Debian
is shipping a less-capable (i. e. less multimedia formats supported)
distribution due to this conflict.

This has to stop.

ffmpeg is not yet in Debian due to the filename clashing, which will
most certainly cause binary problems.


This is wrong, because the FFmpeg Debian packaging avoids filename 
conflicts.



If libav and ffmpeg maintainers cannot reach an agreement regarding
library names and it's not possible to simply use either ffmpeg or libav
indistinctly due missing features binary compatibility, etc, the obvious
solution is that BOTH libav and ffmpeg rename their libraries in Debian.
E. g. libavcodec-ffmpeg.so and libavcodec-libav.so, etc.


This is already done in the FFmpeg Debian packages.


Maybe even use
alternatives to provide the binaries (ffmpeg, ffplay, etc). It's been
done in the past.


This is not necessary, because the Libav binaries already have different 
names, avconv, avplay and so on.



And before someone mentions it: I don't think it's too late. It's
getting too late because nobody with the right to act is doing anything.
In the end, our users are the ones being harmed and we are left
wondering why they are increasingly moving to other distributions or Mac
OS X.


Indeed it's getting late, because the FFmpeg package has been waiting in 
the NEW queue for more than 3 months.


Best regards,
Andreas


1: 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=reintroducing-ffmpeg;users=andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com

2: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 8/16/2014 11:27 PM, wm4 wrote:
 That is very valuable advice. We'll get to work right away.

I've added it to my TODO:

* Don't write bugs.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
wm4 nfx...@googlemail.com writes:
 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:

 Note that all of the above statements also apply to libav.  As near as I
 can tell, this is not a distinguishing characteristic between the two
 projects.

 And that's an argument against switching to FFmpeg exactly how?

It's not.  Nor was I trying to make one.  This part of the thread was
discussing introducing FFmpeg into Debian alongside libav.

As I believe I mentioned previously, although the code base underlying
both projects has a bad past security track record, currently FFmpeg
appears to be doing somewhat better than libav.  I believe a member of the
security team made a similar observation.  So, when picking one, the
security argument seems to be at least partly in FFmpeg's favor.  That was
not my point; my point was that picking both of them is something that had
already been discussed and rejected for what to me feel like sound
reasons.

Security of course isn't the only consideration when picking one of the
two, and regardless I'm not the person who would be deciding anything.
Mostly I'm speaking up because it felt like people were going down blind
alleys arguing about things that aren't really at issue.

Note that experimental doesn't receive security support.  I may be missing
something (and here it's ftp-master that is the relevant decision-making
party), but I haven't seen any obvious reason why one shouldn't introduce
FFmpeg packages into experimental, particularly if people feel like
there's anything to be gained by seeing concrete packaging work, letting
people more easily experiment with the packages, and so forth.  Of course,
that by itself doesn't imply anything about the broader question of
replacing libav with FFmpeg or not.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Derek Buitenhuis derek.buitenh...@gmail.com writes:
 On 8/16/2014 11:27 PM, wm4 wrote:

 That is very valuable advice. We'll get to work right away.

 I've added it to my TODO:

 * Don't write bugs.

That's a really bad way of avoiding security bugs.

I'm sure you know that and are just being flippant, but I have to say
that, as an outsider to the project who would like to use the software but
who cares a lot about not introducing security weaknesses, it's hard to
shake the feeling that this dismissive attitude is part of the problem.
There were earlier responses in the thread along the same lines, arguing
that the nature of FFmpeg means it will just inevitably have a bunch of
security bugs.  This sort of learned helplessness is really off-putting.

Thankfully, I get the impression from other research that I was doing
that it's *not* typical of FFmpeg as a whole, and that you all are, in
fact, doing exactly the sorts of things that I would recommend.  So this
is probably just one of those pointless Internet arguments where everyone
says things more aggressively than they actually mean them, and much heat
is created with little light.

But, for the record, what I was actually getting at is that the way to
avoid a bunch of security bugs is not to stop writing bugs, because no one
is going to achieve that.  It's to put in place supporting infrastructure
that makes it easier to write secure code and harder to write code where
bugs create security problems.  Trying to be closer to perfect in the code
you write is a horrible way to achieve security.  It doesn't work.  Adding
surrounding protective structure to the code so that the bugs do not
compromise security, and putting systems in place that let the computer do
lots more security sanity checking for you, are how other projects with
similar challenges have achieved considerable improvements in security bug
rates.

In case there's anyone reading this who doesn't have a feel for what this
looks like, the process the LibreSSL project is going through (regardless
of one's opinion on the desirability of an OpenSSL fork) is very
interesting.  I've personally learned quite a bit from it, have now
introduced reallocarray in my own code, and am planning on introducing
strtonum.

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:03:18 +0200
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:

 (Please trim the quoted mail when you answer)
 
 On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
  - are there other important things to standardize?
  
  We don't even agree on if repositories should be full source or
  Debian directory only. Not sure how we can even start to discuss
  the rest if we don't agree on that. 
 
 I don't know of any git helper tools that work on git repositories
 with Debian directory only.

git-buildpackage --git-overlay

 The vast majority (all?) of git packaging repositories have the
 upstream sources.

No. None of mine do, or will.
 
 I think this point is not really contentious.

Disagree. Having upstream sources in the packaging repository is a
retrograde action.
 
 And given the willingness to make it easier to collaborate with
 upstream using git, it would be silly to not have the upstream
 sources in our git repositories.

Wrong - it makes a lot of sense for upstream to *not* have packaging
files together with the upstream sources. It also makes good sense for
the packaging to be completely separate as a maintainer. 

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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:31:58 +0200
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Philip Muskovac wrote:
  I'm writing this from a Kubuntu POV which should be close to
  debian-qt-kde as we have a pretty close workflow (one of the
  reasons why we're talking about moving our branches to their
  repositories) as we also only keep the debian/ dir in the VCS.
 
 Thanks for your feedback! A couple of comments though:
 
  a) Consistent VCS based packaging workflow
  While upstream has switched most of their repositories to
  git, there's a couple (artwork related) repositories that are kept
  in SVN, so if we would use a git-based workflow with source and
  packaging together, we would have to manage different
  workflows for specific packages within the same release which is
  something I would prefer not to do.
 
 In both cases upstream releases tarballs, no? So that could be the
 layer that offers the consistency that you're looking for (with the
 help of gbp import-orig).

There's no need to import the orig. It makes no sense. The packaging
lives elsewhere, it develops separately, it is used by multiple
upstream branches and it is used for interim builds where there has
been no upstream tarball released yet. The timescales are completely
separate and there is no benefit in upstream tags colliding with
packaging tags.

 And there's a lot of value in the history. I often do git log -p
 setup.py or git log -p Build.PL to discover new dependencies
 introduced by a new upstream release.

Then do that on the upstream git, not the packaging git.

  c) Upstream tag management
  The KDE release team currently publishes tarballs with
  checksums and git/svn revisions to packagers before the actual
  release for build testing and early Q/A. So when we build the
  packages, there is no git tag yet that we could use to generate a
  tarball ourselves, we would have to parse the tarball list for the
  commit hash that was used to generate the tarball and base our
  packaging on that - or wait for the tags and loose the chance to
  give the release team pre-release feedback.
 
 Again the upstream tarballs are sufficient if you use a workflow based
 on gbp import-orig.

No, not when tags are unrelated and could collide.

Standardising git packaging is a pointless and thankless task. Nothing
is likely to be gained, just a lot of time wasted on arguing on mailing
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Bug#758390: ITP: python-xstatic-rickshaw -- Rickshaw JS XStatic support

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: python-xstatic-rickshaw
  Version : 1.5.0.0
  Upstream Author : Radomir Dopieralski openst...@sheep.art.pl
* URL : https://github.com/stackforge/xstatic-rickshaw
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Rickshaw JS XStatic support

 XStatic is a packaging standard to package external (often 3rd party) static
 files as a Python package, so they are easily usable on all operating systems,
 with any package management system or even without one.
 .
 Many Python projects need to use some specific data files, like javascript,
 css, java applets, images, etc. Sometimes these files belong to YOUR project
 (then you may want to package them separately, but you could also just put
 them into your main package). But in many other cases, those files are
 maintained by someone else (like jQuery javascript library or even much bigger
 js libraries or applications) and you definitely do not really want to merge
 them into your project. So, you want to have static file packages, but you
 don’t want to get lots of stuff you do not want. Thus, stuff required by
 XStatic file packages (especially the main, toplevel XStatic package) tries to
 obey to be a MINIMAL, no-fat thing. XStatic doesn't sell any web framework
 or other stuff you don't want. Maybe there will be optional XStatic extensions
 for all sorts of stuff, but they won't be required if you just want the files.
 .
 By having static files in packages, it is also easier to build virtual envs,
 support linux/bsd/... distribution package maintainers and even windows
 installs using the same mechanism.
 .
 This package provides Rickshaw JS support as a Python module.


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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/16/2014 04:18 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 - the above layout is for the traditional case of non-native packages,
   what would be the layout for native packages? how can be differentiate
   between native/non-native layout?

 I've never maintained a native package so I don't really know what are the
 common practices, but AFAICT the only difference would be missing 
 upstream/...
 tags. Would that be enough for differentiating them?
 
 Well native = debian is the upstream. So there is no upstream tags created
 by Debian but there might be such tags created by downstreams distros that
 use the Debian tarballs as upstream tarballs (although I have never seen
 this in practice).
 
 Possibly the best way to notice debian is the upstream is to detect the
 lack of debian/master branch (i.e. we use directly master which is usually
 for the upstream developers).

The best way to notice that the package is native, is to use what the
policy says: the VCS URLs must point to the Debian packaging branch,
then you just check the version number. Please don't try to second-guess
stuff using branch names.

By the way, I try to always avoid using master as a branch name. This
doesn't express anything at all.

 We can certainly recommend it but I don't see the point to mandate it.

Then *strongly* recommend it.

One of the reason to mandate it could be that we'd have an automated
build system which would clone the Git repository, and automatically
build using that. This is already what I'm doing with Jenkins, though
it's just using HEAD. Having a tagged signature (which would have to be
in the Debian maintainer keyring) could be a way to make sure that the
Git repository is valid before building.

Thomas Goirand (zigo)


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Re: Python 3.4

2014-08-16 Thread Brian May
On 16 August 2014 17:36, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:

 On 08/16/2014 09:07 AM, Brian May wrote:
  Note that there is a huge number of Python packages in Debian. It is
  very possible that your favourite packages aren't available as Python3
  Debian packages, either because upstream doesn't support Python 3, or
  because nobody has done the work yet to make the Python 3 package.

 ... or because one of the (build-)dependencies of that package doesn't
 support Python 3.


Yes, missed this reason.

In some cases this happens because the build-dependency is broken/obsolete
and should not be used any more. This can affect the Python2 packages too,
e.g. if there are RC bugs open on the dependency. Some of these
dependencies are optional, and can just be removed. Others may require a
rewrite of upstream code.
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Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/16/2014 07:59 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Guido Günther wrote:
 The gbp manual has a recommended branch layout:

   
 http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.import.html#GBP.BRANCH.NAMING

 which could serve as a basis. There's plenty of room for improvement,
 e.g. the case where one tracks upstream git isn't yet mentioned (I
 started to follow the above layout also in this case).
 
 Some comments on this recommended layout:
 
 1/ I suggested vendor/master rather than vendor/unstable (or sid)
because it means we don't have to know the default codename/suite used
for packaging of new upstream versions (in particular for downstreams)

Well, I have nothing against derivative/downstream distros, but if
you're about to do a new DEP, please consider Debian first. In such
case, debian/unstable makes a lot more sense than just debian/master.
Like I wrote in another post, master doesn't express anything.

 2/ having multiple upstream/codename is bound to never be up-to-date
when I do git checkout debian/experimental  git merge
debian/master, upstream/experimental will get out of sync and I
won't notice it because my package builds just fine
 
However multiple upstream/* branches can be useful, they should
just match real upstream branches... so things like upstream/master,
upstream/4.8.x, upstream/4.9.x, etc.

All of this is error prone. Using upstream tags and merging them rather
than branches avoid troubles. I have yet to see a case where using
upstream tags wasn't practical.

 3/ I don't see the need for backports/codename, I would rather
use debian/wheezy-backports (which actually is just a specific case
of vendor/codename since wheezy-backports is the Codename in the
Release file)
and security/codename is just the continuation of vendor/codename
after a stable release, so again I don't see the need for a specific
branch here (and if we really need a separate branch, it can again
be vendor/codename-security)

Right! :)

Thomas


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systemd service and /etc/default/

2014-08-16 Thread Ludovico Cavedon
Hi,

I am writing a systemd service file for a daemon (ntopng) and I would
like to know what you think is the best way to load some
configuration.

The ntopng daemon takes multiple interfaces in the format of multiple
-i command-line options. For example.
ntopng -i eth0 -i wlan0

Currently the interfaces are stored in /etc/default/ntopng
INTERFACES=eth0 wlan0

and the sysv init script takes care of adding -i for each one of them.

I would like to keep the sysv compatibility and do the same in systemd.

I tried in various ways, but the two solution I could think of are:
1) change the format of INTERFACES to require inclusion of -i.
I.e
INTERFACES=-i eth0 -i wlan0
and use EnvironmentFIle=/etc/default/ntopng. This changes the format,
complicated upgrades, and is more error prone.
2) instead of doing Exec=ntopng, Exec a script that does the mangling
and then execs ntopng.

Because both solutions do not look great to me, and I could not find
an example, I am asking your opinion.

After writing this email, I start to believe 2) is the right way, but
I would appreciate anybody's input.

Thanks,
Ludovico


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Accepted last-align 475-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Charles Plessy
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team 
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Changed-By: Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org
Description:
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Changes:
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   * New upstream release.
   * debian/rules:
 - removed compression command, as it is now the default.
 - removed manual page of last-merge-batches.py.
   * debian/control: suggest GNU parallel.
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Accepted antpm 1.16-7 (source i386) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Kristof Ralovich
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Source: antpm
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Architecture: source i386
Version: 1.16-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian running development group 
pkg-running-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Kristof Ralovich ralov...@in.tum.de
Description:
 antpm  - ANT+ information retrieval client for Garmin GPS products
 antpm-dbg  - ANT+ information retrieval client for Garmin GPS products
Closes: 757472
Changes:
 antpm (1.16-7) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Team upload
 .
   [ RALOVICH, Kristof ]
   * really link against boost_atomic
 Closes: #757472
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Accepted libsocket-perl 2.015-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Perl Group pkg-perl-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Salvatore Bonaccorso car...@debian.org
Description:
 libsocket-perl - networking constants and support functions
Changes:
 libsocket-perl (2.015-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
   * Imported Upstream version 2.015
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Accepted wmitime 0.3+20120605-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Doug Torrance
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 01:27:57 -0500
Source: wmitime
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.3+20120605-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Doug Torrance dtorra...@monmouthcollege.edu
Changed-By: Doug Torrance dtorra...@monmouthcollege.edu
Description:
 wmitime- clock dock app showing time and internet time
Closes: 714747 716466
Changes:
 wmitime (0.3+20120605-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream version.
   * New maintainer (Closes: #714747).
   * Include manpage rather than creating during build
 - Remove debian/*pod*.
 - Add debian/wmtime.1.
 - Remove man target from debian/rules.
   * debian/control
 - Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.5; no changes required.
 - Update Homepage and Vcs-* fields.
   * debian/copyright
 - Update Upstream-* and Source fields.
 - Remove deprecated X-Comment field.
   * debian/install
 - Remove installation of /usr/bin/wmitime; now installed by 
dh_auto_install.
   * debian/patches/*0-*.patch
 - Update keywords.
   * debian/patches/allow_display_with_no_args.patch
 - Print warning when user runs wmitime -display without an argument instead
   of segfaulting (Closes: #716466).
   * debian/patches/make-install.patch
 - Use DESTDIR when running make install.
 - Create installation directory.
   * debian/rules:
 - Use --sourcedirectory option instead of using overrides to pass -C to
   specify source directory.
 - Remove unnecessary variables.
 - Update override_dh_auto_build to use dh_auto_build instead of MAKE.
   * debian/wmitime.desktop
 - Fill in Generic and Comment fields.
 - Add Keywords field.
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Accepted sbcl 2:1.2.2-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Christoph Egger
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:24:32 +0200
Source: sbcl
Binary: sbcl sbcl-doc sbcl-source
Architecture: source all
Version: 2:1.2.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Common Lisp Team 
pkg-common-lisp-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Christoph Egger christ...@debian.org
Description:
 sbcl   - Common Lisp compiler and development system
 sbcl-doc   - Documentation for Steel Bank Common Lisp
 sbcl-source - Source code files for SBCL
Changes:
 sbcl (2:1.2.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream version
   * incompatible change: the #\` (backquote) reader macro was 
reimplemented
 to support robust pretty-printing. Reading a form involving #\` 
produces
 an invocation of the QUASIQUOTE ordinary macro which may contain 
subforms
 that are not lists. Code that unportably attempts operations on
 un-evaluated forms resulting therefrom, e.g.
   (SUBST a b (read-from-string `(x (,y
 might generate incorrect results and/or errors.
   * enhancement: support for GNU/kFreeBSD x86.
   * enhancement: ATOMIC-INCF and ATOMIC-DECF can operate on (CAR x), (CDR 
x)
 and DEFGLOBAL variables of type fixnum.
   * enhancement: arithmetic constant reduction is now performed on 
defconstant
 constants too. (lp#1337069).
   * bug fix: certain ftype proclamations containing optional t rest t no
 longer cause subsequent definitions to signal bogus style-warnings.
   * bug fix: #\Bell and #\Bel now read to different characters. 
(lp#1319452).
   * bug fix: CAS SYMBOL-VALUE on locally special variables didn't work.
 (lp#1098355)
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Accepted xfce4-session 4.10.1-8 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:48:09 +0200
Source: xfce4-session
Binary: xfce4-session xfce4-session-dbg
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 4.10.1-8
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Xfce Maintainers pkg-xfce-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org
Description:
 xfce4-session - Xfce4 Session Manager
 xfce4-session-dbg - Xfce4 Session Manager (debug symbols)
Closes: 757649
Changes:
 xfce4-session (4.10.1-8) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * debian/patches:
 - 02_add-light-locker-to-xflock4 added, add light-locker support to
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Accepted onioncat 0.2.2+svn559-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread intrigeri
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Source: onioncat
Binary: onioncat
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.2.2+svn559-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Anonymity Tools Debian Maintainers 
pkg-anonymity-to...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: intrigeri intrig...@debian.org
Description:
 onioncat   - IP-Transparent Tor hidden service connector
Changes:
 onioncat (0.2.2+svn559-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Update upstream homepage URL in debian/{control,copyright}.
   * Move maintenance under the umbrella of the Anonymity Tools Debian
 Maintainers team.
   * Specify copyright on debian/* for 2014.
   * Bump debhelper compatibility level to 9.
   * Declare compatibility with Standards-Version 3.9.5 (no change required).
   * Import upstream OpenPGP public key.
   * debian/watch: verify detached OpenPGP signature.
   * Get rid of pre-dh9 hardening bits in debian/rules.
   * 0002-updated-autotools.patch: new patch, cherry-picked from upstream
 SVN r566, that fixes hardening flags support when --enabled-debug is set.
   * Enable all hardening build flags.
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Accepted mozilla-gnome-keyring 0.6.11-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Ximin Luo
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Version: 0.6.11-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Ximin Luo infini...@pwned.gg
Changed-By: Ximin Luo infini...@pwned.gg
Description:
 xul-ext-gnome-keyring - Store mozilla passwords in GNOME Keyring
Closes: 757933
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted debian-edu 1.721 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:09:04 +0200
Source: debian-edu
Binary: education-tasks education-menus education-astronomy education-chemistry 
education-common education-desktop-gnome education-desktop-kde 
education-desktop-lxde education-desktop-mate education-desktop-other 
education-desktop-sugar education-desktop-xfce education-development 
education-electronics education-geography education-graphics education-language 
education-laptop education-logic-games education-main-server 
education-mathematics education-misc education-music education-networked 
education-physics education-services education-standalone education-thin-client 
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Version: 1.721
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Edu Developers debian-...@lists.debian.org
Changed-By: Petter Reinholdtsen p...@debian.org
Description: 
 education-astronomy - Debian Edu astronomy related applications
 education-chemistry - Debian Edu chemistry related applications
 education-common - Debian Edu common packages
 education-desktop-gnome - Debian Edu GNOME desktop applications
 education-desktop-kde - Debian Edu KDE desktop applications
 education-desktop-lxde - Debian Edu LXDE desktop applications
 education-desktop-mate - Debian Edu MATE desktop applications
 education-desktop-other - Debian Edu non-GNOME- and non-KDE-specific desktop 
applications
 education-desktop-sugar - Debian Edu sugar desktop environment
 education-desktop-xfce - Debian Edu Xfce desktop applications
 education-development - Debian Edu software development related educational 
applications
 education-electronics - Debian Edu electronics related applications
 education-geography - Debian Edu applications for geography
 education-graphics - Debian Edu graphics related applications
 education-language - Debian Edu language related educational applications
 education-laptop - Debian Edu laptop packages
 education-logic-games - Debian Edu logic games
 education-main-server - Debian Edu main server packages
 education-mathematics - Debian Edu mathematical applications
 education-menus - Debian Edu menu reorganization
 education-misc - Debian Edu miscellaneous applications for education
 education-music - Debian Edu music and sound applications
 education-networked - Debian Edu networked minimal packages
 education-physics - Debian Edu physics related applications
 education-services - Debian Edu services for educational institutions
 education-standalone - Debian Edu standalone workstation packages
 education-tasks - Debian Edu tasks for tasksel
 education-thin-client - Debian Edu networked thin client packages
 education-thin-client-server - Debian Edu networked thin client server packages
 education-workstation - Debian Edu networked workstation packages
Closes: 722289
Changes: 
 debian-edu (1.721) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Rename ffmpeg to libav-tools in tasks/desktop-other, to match the new
 name of the binary package (Closes: #722289).
   * Remove obsolete openjdk-6-jre and icedtea-6-plugin from 
tasks/desktop-other.
 Depend only on default-jre and icedtea-7-plugin instead.
   * Add lintian override for maintainer-script-empty postrm and preinst
 for education-desktop-mate, like the other desktop metapackages.
   * Replace obsolete myspell-fi with tmispell-voikko to keep a Finnish
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   * Switch to 3.0 (native) source format.
   * Update from debhelper version 6 to 9.
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Accepted kradio4 4.0.7+git20140816-1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Pino Toscano
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:49:07 +0200
Source: kradio4
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 4.0.7+git20140816-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian KDE Extras Team pkg-kde-ext...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Pino Toscano p...@debian.org
Description:
 kradio - dummy transition package for Wheezy
 kradio4- comfortable radio application for KDE
Closes: 750779
Changes:
 kradio4 (4.0.7+git20140816-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream Git snapshot:
 - fix sound playback with Internet radios. (Closes: #750779)
   * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.5, no changes required.
   * Enable the parallel build.
   * Add myself to Uploaders.
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   * Fix removal of empty /usr/sbin.
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Accepted autodocksuite 4.2.6-1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Andreas Tille
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:37:23 +0200
Source: autodocksuite
Binary: autodock autogrid autodock-test autogrid-test autodock-getdata
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 4.2.6-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team 
debian-med-packag...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org
Description:
 autodock   - analysis of ligand binding to protein structure
 autodock-getdata - instructions for getData to collect compounds
 autodock-test - test files for AutoDock
 autogrid   - pre-calculate binding of ligands to their receptor
 autogrid-test - test files for AutoGrid
Changes:
 autodocksuite (4.2.6-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Andreas Tille ]
   * New upstream version (adapt patches)
   * d/copyright: DEP5
   * add autopkgtest
 .
   [ Steffen Moeller ]
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   * Added link-time compiler optimization (LTO)
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Accepted mikutter 3.0.5+dfsg-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread VDR dai
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Accepted lebiniou 3.22-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Olivier Girondel
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Description:
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Closes: 758205
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Accepted ruby-rack-google-analytics 1.2.0-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Pirate Praveen
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:09:02 -0400
Source: ruby-rack-google-analytics
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Version: 1.2.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Pirate Praveen prav...@debian.org
Description:
 ruby-rack-google-analytics - Simple Rack middleware to inject the Google 
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Closes: 751035
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted ruby-rails-autolink 1.1.6-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Pirate Praveen
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:24:55 -0400
Source: ruby-rails-autolink
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Version: 1.1.6-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Pirate Praveen prav...@debian.org
Description:
 ruby-rails-autolink - 'auto_link' method from rails, removed in rails 3.1+
Changes:
 ruby-rails-autolink (1.1.6-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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   * New upstream version
   * Revised rails dependencies
   * Revised description
   * Updated copyright
   * Bumped compat, dh to 9
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Accepted rygel 0.22.3-1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Andreas Henriksson
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:22:17 +0200
Source: rygel
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librygel-renderer-2.2-2 librygel-renderer-gst-2.2-2 rygel-mediathek 
rygel-tracker rygel-gst-renderer rygel-playbin rygel-gst-launch 
rygel-preferences
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Version: 0.22.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rygel Maintainers ah-ry...@debian.org
Changed-By: Andreas Henriksson andr...@fatal.se
Description:
 librygel-core-2.2-2 - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - core library
 librygel-renderer-2.2-2 - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - renderer library
 librygel-renderer-gst-2.2-2 - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - renderer library
 librygel-server-2.2-2 - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - server library
 rygel  - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services
 rygel-2.2-dev - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - plugin development files
 rygel-dbg  - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services
 rygel-gst-launch - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - gst-launch plugin
 rygel-gst-renderer - transitional dummy package
 rygel-mediathek - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - Mediathek plugin
 rygel-playbin - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - GStreamer Media Renderer plugin
 rygel-preferences - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - preferences tool
 rygel-tracker - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services - Tracker plugin
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted ruby-uglifier 2.5.3-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Pirate Praveen
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Version: 2.5.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Pirate Praveen prav...@debian.org
Description:
 ruby-uglifier - Ruby wrapper for UglifyJS JavaScript compressor
Changes:
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 .
   * Team upload
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Accepted libdvdnav 5.0.0-1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Reinhard Tartler
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 5.0.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org
Changed-By: Reinhard Tartler siret...@tauware.de
Description:
 libdvdnav-dbg - DVD navigation library (debug)
 libdvdnav-dev - DVD navigation library (development)
 libdvdnav-doc - DVD navigation library (documentation)
 libdvdnav4 - DVD navigation library
Closes: 705379 738811
Changes:
 libdvdnav (5.0.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
 - Bugfix:  crashes after source DVD is selected (Closes: #738811)
 - Bugfix: Busy-loop reading main menu for UK release of
   Coco Chanel  Igor Stravinsky (Closes: #705379)
   * Merged all patches, merged upstream
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Accepted libdvdread 5.0.0-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Reinhard Tartler
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:10:40 -0400
Source: libdvdread
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 5.0.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org
Changed-By: Reinhard Tartler siret...@tauware.de
Description:
 libdvdread-dbg - library for reading DVDs (debug)
 libdvdread-dev - library for reading DVDs (development)
 libdvdread4 - library for reading DVDs
Closes: 504256
Changes:
 libdvdread (5.0.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Matteo F. Vescovi ]
   * New upstream release
 - debian/patches: patchset re-worked against v4.9.9
   * Imported Upstream version 4.9.9
   * debian/patches: patchset re-worked against v4.9.9
 .
   [ Benjamin Drung ]
   * dvdread-config is gone now.
   * Drop dvdread-config_manpage.patch.
   * DEVELOPMENT-POLICY.txt is gone.
   * debian/rules: Update list of unused files.
   * Add missing pkg-config dependency.
 .
   [ Reinhard Tartler ]
   * Imported Upstream version 5.0.0
 - Fixes libdvdread runs out of memory (LP: #377414)
 - Fixes: libdvdread4 unable to read Wall.e encrypted DVDs (LP: #590983)
 - Fixes: libdvdread: Can't seek to block (LP: #983535, #446664, #1066317)
 - Fixes: Zero check failed in ifo_read.c:904 for pgc-subp_control[i]
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Accepted libwfut 0.2.1-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Tobias Frost
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Source: libwfut
Binary: libwfut-0.2-1 libwfut-0.2-1-dbg libwfut-0.2-dev wfut
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.2.1-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Tobias Frost t...@debian.org
Description:
 libwfut-0.2-1 - WorldForge Update Tool (libraries)
 libwfut-0.2-1-dbg - WorldForge Update Tool (debugging libs)
 libwfut-0.2-dev - WorldForge Update Tool (development files)
 wfut   - WorldForge Update Tool (executable)
Closes: 747786
Changes:
 libwfut (0.2.1-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * QA upload.
   * Setting maintainer to QA-Group
   * add Build-Depends: zlib1g-dev to fix FTBFS (Closes: #747786)
 (Patch from the BTS by Hideki Yamane)
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Accepted tcpdump 4.6.1-3 (source) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Romain Francoise
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Version: 4.6.1-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Romain Francoise rfranco...@debian.org
Changed-By: Romain Francoise rfranco...@debian.org
Description:
 tcpdump- command-line network traffic analyzer
Changes:
 tcpdump (4.6.1-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted metastore 1+20080623+debian-4 (source) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Romain Francoise
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Version: 1+20080623+debian-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Romain Francoise rfranco...@debian.org
Changed-By: Romain Francoise rfranco...@debian.org
Description:
 metastore  - Store and restore metadata from a filesystem
Changes:
 metastore (1+20080623+debian-4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.5, no changes needed.
   * Set myself as sole maintainer.
   * Mention the word backup in long description (thanks, Eduard Bloch).
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Accepted rpy2 2.4.3-1 (source i386) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
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Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Changed-By: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Description:
 python-rpy2 - Python interface to the GNU R language and environment (version 2
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 .
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 .
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Accepted maitreya 7.0.7-1 (source i386 all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
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Version: 7.0.7-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Paul Elliott pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com
Changed-By: Jaldhar H. Vyas jald...@debian.org
Description:
 fonts-maitreya - Astrological font for Maitreya
 maitreya   - Software for Vedic and western astrology
Closes: 749974
Changes:
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 .
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   * undo NDEBUG hack
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Accepted visitors 0.7-10 (source) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Romain Francoise
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Maintainer: Romain Francoise rfranco...@debian.org
Changed-By: Romain Francoise rfranco...@debian.org
Description:
 visitors   - fast web server log analyzer
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted codelite 6.0.1+dfsg-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread James Cowgill
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Source: codelite
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Version: 6.0.1+dfsg-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: James Cowgill james...@cowgill.org.uk
Changed-By: James Cowgill james...@cowgill.org.uk
Description:
 codelite   - Powerful and lightweight C/C++ IDE
 codelite-plugins - Powerful and lightweight C/C++ IDE - plugins
Closes: 749976
Changes:
 codelite (6.0.1+dfsg-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Upload to unstable (Closes: #749976).
   * Drop gcc 4.9 workaround (fixed in wxwidgets)
   * Drop manual dependency on lldb (see #750868).
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Accepted pulseaudio 5.0-9 (source) into experimental

2014-08-16 Thread Felipe Sateler
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Architecture: source
Version: 5.0-9
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Pulseaudio maintenance team 
pkg-pulseaudio-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org
Description:
 libpulse-dev - PulseAudio client development headers and libraries
 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 - PulseAudio client libraries (glib support)
 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-dbg - PulseAudio client libraries (glib support) 
(debugging symbols)
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 libpulsedsp - PulseAudio OSS pre-load library
 libpulsedsp-dbg - PulseAudio OSS pre-load library detached debugging symbols
 pulseaudio - PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-dbg - PulseAudio sound server (debugging symbols)
 pulseaudio-esound-compat - PulseAudio ESD compatibility layer
 pulseaudio-esound-compat-dbg - PulseAudio ESD compatibility layer (debugging 
symbols)
 pulseaudio-module-bluetooth - Bluetooth module for PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-dbg - Bluetooth module for PulseAudio sound server 
(debugging symbols)
 pulseaudio-module-gconf - GConf module for PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-module-gconf-dbg - GConf module for PulseAudio sound server 
(debugging symbols)
 pulseaudio-module-jack - jackd modules for PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-module-jack-dbg - jackd modules for PulseAudio sound server 
(debugging symbols)
 pulseaudio-module-lirc - lirc module for PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-module-lirc-dbg - lirc module for PulseAudio sound server 
(debugging symbols)
 pulseaudio-module-raop - RAOP module for PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-module-raop-dbg - RAOP module for PulseAudio sound server 
(debugging symbols)
 pulseaudio-module-x11 - X11 module for PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-module-x11-dbg - X11 module for PulseAudio sound server (debugging 
symbols)
 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf - Zeroconf module for PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-dbg - Zeroconf module for PulseAudio sound server 
(debugging symbols)
 pulseaudio-utils - Command line tools for the PulseAudio sound server
 pulseaudio-utils-dbg - PulseAudio command line tools (debugging symbols)
Changes:
 pulseaudio (5.0-9) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * More patches from upstream for kFreeBSD
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Accepted network-manager 0.9.10.0-1.1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Micah Anderson
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Version: 0.9.10.0-1.1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Utopia Maintenance Team 
pkg-utopia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Micah Anderson mi...@debian.org
Description:
 gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 - GObject introspection data for NetworkManager
 libnm-glib-dev - network management framework (GLib interface)
 libnm-glib-vpn-dev - network management framework (GLib interface)
 libnm-glib-vpn1 - network management framework (GLib VPN shared library)
 libnm-glib4 - network management framework (GLib shared library)
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 libnm-util2 - network management framework (shared library)
 network-manager - network management framework (daemon and userspace tools)
 network-manager-dbg - network management framework (debugging symbols)
 network-manager-dev - network management framework (development files)
Closes: 755015
Changes:
 network-manager (0.9.10.0-1.1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Non-maintainer upload.
   * Pull patch from upstream to fix checks for default
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Accepted adequate 0.12.1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Jakub Wilk
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org
Changed-By: Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org
Description:
 adequate   - Debian package quality testing tool
Closes: 758306
Changes:
 adequate (0.12.1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Fix “keys/push on reference is experimental” warnings (closes: #758306).
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Accepted car 2.0-21-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Changed-By: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Description:
 r-cran-car - GNU R Companion to Applied Regression by John Fox
Changes:
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 .
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 .
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Accepted pspp 0.8.3-1.1 (source i386) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Ben Pfaff
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Friedrich Beckmann friedrich.beckm...@gmx.de
Changed-By: Ben Pfaff pfaff...@debian.org
Description:
 pspp   - Statistical analysis tool
Changes:
 pspp (0.8.3-1.1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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Accepted gpsd 3.10+dev3~d6b65b48-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:02:49 +0200
Source: gpsd
Binary: gpsd gpsd-dbg gpsd-clients python-gps libgps21 libgps-dev libqgpsmm21 
libqgpsmm-dev
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.10+dev3~d6b65b48-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org
Description:
 gpsd   - Global Positioning System - daemon
 gpsd-clients - Global Positioning System - clients
 gpsd-dbg   - Global Positioning System - debugging symbols
 libgps-dev - Global Positioning System - development files
 libgps21   - Global Positioning System - library
 libqgpsmm-dev - Global Positioning System - Qt wrapper for libgps (development)
 libqgpsmm21 - Global Positioning System - Qt wrapper for libgps
 python-gps - Global Positioning System - Python libraries
Closes: 550964 696020 741186 751746
Changes:
 gpsd (3.10+dev3~d6b65b48-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * [95fcff8b] Add patch to fix PPS with large offsets.
 Taken from Fedora.
 Thanks to Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com
   * [27452a76] Use the Debian package version as gpsd revision.
   * [aca85fbe] Add full systemd hotplug and gpsd options support.
 gpsdctl.service idea taken from Fedora.
 Default gpsd.service file enhanced to read options from
 /etc/default/gpsd.
 Thanks to Miroslav Lichvar, Eduard Bloch (Closes: #741186)
   * [72a6a4af] Disable hotplugging of ftdi/pl2302 usbserial adapters.
 These adapters are too common to hit them with the gpsd hotplug script.
 (Closes: #550964, #696020)
   * [e60cdd47] Remove start/stop options from dh_installinit.
 insserv handles boot ordering these days.
 Thanks to Paul Wise (Closes: #751746)
   * [5ed9e35e] Run dh_systemd_* on the gpsd package only.
 Also start gpsd.service only, not gpsdctl.service.
   * [0e50ca3a] Remove hardening-includes.
 dpkg-buildflags ships the appropriate hardening flags.
   * [631b275e] Listen on ipv4 and ipv6.
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Accepted sslh 1.16-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Guillaume Delacour
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 00:06:06 +0200
Source: sslh
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.16-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Guillaume Delacour g...@iroqwa.org
Changed-By: Guillaume Delacour g...@iroqwa.org
Description:
 sslh   - Applicative protocol multiplexer
Closes: 740560
Changes:
 sslh (1.16-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release: fix some startup problem when interfaces are not
 ready at boot time (IP_FREEBIND support when available) and can use libcap
 for transparent mode
   * Enable libcap and libwrap support at build time
   * Enable dpkg-buildflags: Drop hardening-wrapper Build-Depends and use
 DEB_BUILD_HARDENING instead of DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS
   * Remove old .gitignore as upstream has one too
   * debian/sslh.tmpfile: Create /run/sslh for systemd as root because sslh
 write its pid before dropping privileges (Closes: #740560)
   * debian/patches/disable_ip_freebind_test.diff: Remove Can't bind address
 upstream test because IP_FREEBIND is now enabled upstream
   * debian/docs: upstream README is now README.md
   * debian/rules:
 + use DESTDIR in addition of PREFIX as upstream change Makefile
   * Refresh debian/patches/disable_valgrind_launch.diff due to upstream
 changes
   * Stop service in case of purge (to be able to remove the user too)
   * Use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS to speed the build
   * debian/patches/fixed_version.diff: Fix the version of binaries based on
 debian/changelog (instead of relying on git)
   * Update Description as sslh is not only a ssl/ssh multiplexer but a
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Accepted gdisk 0.8.10-1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Guillaume Delacour
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:52:52 +0200
Source: gdisk
Binary: gdisk gdisk-noicu
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 0.8.10-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Guillaume Delacour g...@iroqwa.org
Changed-By: Guillaume Delacour g...@iroqwa.org
Description:
 gdisk  - GPT fdisk text-mode partitioning tool
 gdisk-noicu - transitional dummy package
Changes:
 gdisk (0.8.10-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release:
 - libicu support has been removed by upstream
 - drop all libicu related Debian patches and files.
 - gdisk-noicu is now replaced by gdisk
 - document all this changes in debian/NEWS.
   * Build-Depends on ncurses with wide character support (libncursesw5-dev)
 instead of libncurses5-dev and include ncursesw/ncurses.h instead of
 ncurses.h in cgdisk (debian/patches/ncursesw5.diff)
   * Enable parallel building and use dpkg-buildflags instead of
 DEB_BUILD_HARDENING
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   * Refresh patch debian/patches/manpages.diff
   * Drop unnecessary debian/patches/gdisk_binary_dir.diff
   * gdisk.lintian-overrides: Re-add as fixparts false positive against fortify
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Accepted libconfigreader-simple-perl 1.29-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:30:12 +0200
Source: libconfigreader-simple-perl
Binary: libconfigreader-simple-perl
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.29-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Perl Group pkg-perl-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Salvatore Bonaccorso car...@debian.org
Description:
 libconfigreader-simple-perl - simple configuration file parser
Changes:
 libconfigreader-simple-perl (1.29-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ gregor herrmann ]
   * Set Standards-Version to 3.9.1; replace Conflicts with Breaks.
 .
   [ Salvatore Bonaccorso ]
   * Email change: Salvatore Bonaccorso - car...@debian.org
 .
   [ Ansgar Burchardt ]
   * debian/control: Convert Vcs-* fields to Git.
 .
   [ Salvatore Bonaccorso ]
   * Change Vcs-Git to canonical URI (git://anonscm.debian.org)
   * Change search.cpan.org based URIs to metacpan.org based URIs
 .
   [ Axel Beckert ]
   * debian/copyright: migrate pre-1.0 format to 1.0 using cme fix dpkg-
 copyright
 .
   [ gregor herrmann ]
   * Strip trailing slash from metacpan URLs.
 .
   [ Salvatore Bonaccorso ]
   * Update Vcs-Browser URL to cgit web frontend
   * Imported Upstream version 1.29
   * Update copyright years for debian/* packaging
   * debian/copyright: Refer to Debian systems in general.
 Refer to Debian systems in general instead of only Debian GNU/Linuxy
 systems.
   * Explicitly refer to GPL-1 license text in common-licenses
   * Declare compliance with Debian Policy 3.9.5
   * Bump Debhelper compat level to 8.
 Adjust versioned Build-Depends on debhelper to (= 8).
   * Wrap and sort fields in debian/control file
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Accepted gpsd 3.10+dev3~d6b65b48-4 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
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Source: gpsd
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libqgpsmm-dev
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.10+dev3~d6b65b48-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org
Description:
 gpsd   - Global Positioning System - daemon
 gpsd-clients - Global Positioning System - clients
 gpsd-dbg   - Global Positioning System - debugging symbols
 libgps-dev - Global Positioning System - development files
 libgps21   - Global Positioning System - library
 libqgpsmm-dev - Global Positioning System - Qt wrapper for libgps (development)
 libqgpsmm21 - Global Positioning System - Qt wrapper for libgps
 python-gps - Global Positioning System - Python libraries
Changes:
 gpsd (3.10+dev3~d6b65b48-4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * [8ae93e0]] Two systemd related changes that were forgotton.
 - do not install the old hotplug wrapper
 - don't forget the @ in gpsdctl@.service.
 Thanks to Jeremy Lainé
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Accepted libuv 0.10.28-1 (source) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Luca Bruno
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:21:55 +0200
Source: libuv
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Version: 0.10.28-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Javascript Maintainers 
pkg-javascript-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Luca Bruno lu...@debian.org
Description:
 libuv-dev  - asynchronous event notification library - development files
 libuv0.10  - asynchronous event notification library - runtime library
 libuv0.10-dbg - asynchronous event notification library - debugging symbols
Changes:
 libuv (0.10.28-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted procenv 0.36-1 (amd64 source) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread James Hunt
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:53:39 +0100
Source: procenv
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Version: 0.36-1
Distribution: sid
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: James Hunt james.h...@ubuntu.com
Changed-By: James Hunt james.h...@ubuntu.com
Description: 
 procenv- Utility to show process environment
Changes:
 procenv (0.36-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * debian/control: Make libselinux1-dev and libapparmor-dev Build-Depends
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   * New upstream release.
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Accepted open-vm-tools 2:9.4.6-1770165-2+exp1 (source amd64 all) into experimental

2014-08-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:37:40 +0200
Source: open-vm-tools
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open-vm-tools-dkms
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 2:9.4.6-1770165-2+exp1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org
Description:
 open-vm-tools - Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on VMware (CLI)
 open-vm-tools-dbg - Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on VMware 
(debug)
 open-vm-tools-desktop - Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on 
VMware (GUI)
 open-vm-tools-dev - Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on VMware 
(developm
 open-vm-tools-dkms - Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on VMware 
(DKMS)
Changes:
 open-vm-tools (2:9.4.6-1770165-2+exp1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * Very experimental release to give the kfreebsd porters something to work
 with. Building and shipping modules needs to be fixed there, maybe some
 other issues, too.
   * [b04735fa] Ensure LINUX_BACKPORT is defined in 
patches/kuid_t-kgid_t-fix-for-3.12.
   * [f92f61af] Set experimental as debian branch in gbp.conf
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Accepted pspp 0.8.3-1.2 (source i386) into unstable

2014-08-16 Thread Ben Pfaff
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:08:30 -0700
Source: pspp
Binary: pspp
Architecture: source i386
Version: 0.8.3-1.2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Friedrich Beckmann friedrich.beckm...@gmx.de
Changed-By: Ben Pfaff pfaff...@debian.org
Description:
 pspp   - Statistical analysis tool
Changes:
 pspp (0.8.3-1.2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * debian/rules: Fix bug in previous update.
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