Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Oct 14, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: I'm not sure what we'd do with, say, a free software program whose sole and exclusive purpose is to interact with the iTunes music store. Putting it into contrib does feel like nitpicking. I am: the same thing which we do e.g. with ICQ clients. It was settled long ago than they are fine material for main. I feel that here we have again people missing the large picture in their DFSG-as-a-religion crusade. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Le mercredi 14 octobre 2009 à 21:34 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit : Sure, just remember to file RM bugs for: gmailfs [...] You can add libgdata, upon which several pieces of GNOME are going to depend. Note that GNOME upstreams adopted a much more constructive stance on that matter: the libgdata dependency was deemed acceptable for an application only if the functionality it provides is also available using other services. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in `- future understand things” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Do you know about bug 283578 ? The name 'hot-babe' referenced a gender. gnaughty references a natural tendency (and a graphical toolkit). I don't see how #550860 is any different from a normal ITP for the Universal Operating System, and should thus not receive any more attention. -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@d.o Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems la lune, c'est comme les canards il faut aimer caresser les chats pour avoir envie d'y aller. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/)
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Le mercredi 14 octobre 2009 à 09:14 +1100, Russell Coker a écrit : Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? What if it cannot? Does it change anything? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in `- future understand things” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Hi Dne Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:14:01 +1100 Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au napsal(a): On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Michal Čihař ni...@debian.org wrote: Description : downloader for adult content Program to automatically download adult sex content, i.e. porn movies and pictures, from a known internet porn directory. Providing a friendly interface, users who feel like having some porn can have it served fastly and directly to their desktop. Do you know about bug 283578 ? Yes, but the main objections there was that it includes the picture. This tool is just a downloader. You can also use Iceweasel, wget or anything else to download same things. Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
* Michal Čihař: Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. And the content is non-free, right? Then it should go into contrib. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Weimer schrieb: * Michal Čihař: Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. And the content is non-free, right? Then it should go into contrib. Maybe there is some Open-Porn available, ftp-masters have to test it out. :-) - -- /* Mit freundlichem Gruß / With kind regards, Patrick Matthäi GNU/Linux Debian Developer E-Mail: pmatth...@debian.org patr...@linux-dev.org Comment: Always if we think we are right, we were maybe wrong. */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrWEQYACgkQ2XA5inpabMd3kgCfUQpsSOI9yMFiRmEyB7b6/eJY fqEAn2w2E6jX4Qz99o3t82rX2L/Q0vZ+ =Vopn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:14 + Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: * Michal Čihař: Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. And the content is non-free, right? Then it should go into contrib. My bank statements are non-free but iceweasel isn't in contrib. -- Neil Williams = http://www.data-freedom.org/ http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ http://e-mail.is-not-s.ms/ pgpA9KDDMpaql.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Neil Williams dijo [Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:03:07PM +0100]: Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. And the content is non-free, right? Then it should go into contrib. My bank statements are non-free but iceweasel isn't in contrib. Shame on you, were it not for that selfish standpoint we would have a freer, more open world! -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:03:07PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:14 + Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: * Michal Čihař: Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. And the content is non-free, right? Then it should go into contrib. My bank statements are non-free but iceweasel isn't in contrib. And iceweasel is limited to downloading your bank statements? Is that true? Regards, Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 08:30:16PM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:03:07PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:14 + Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: * Michal Čihař: Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. And the content is non-free, right? Then it should go into contrib. My bank statements are non-free but iceweasel isn't in contrib. And iceweasel is limited to downloading your bank statements? Is that true? I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:52:48AM -0700, Rodrigo Gallardo wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 08:30:16PM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:03:07PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:14 + Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: * Michal Čihař: Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? Not really without patching the source. And the content is non-free, right? Then it should go into contrib. My bank statements are non-free but iceweasel isn't in contrib. And iceweasel is limited to downloading your bank statements? Is that true? I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? I didn't say anything about that. Just wanted to point out that the comparison doesn't work. My opinion about those porn-related software is more liberal, then those I often read on Debian-related lists. With respect to sexuality it sometimes seems that common sense gets lost. Having software which is dedicated and defaulting at a certain field of endeavour is okay, but oh-no-oh-no not if sexuality is involved. Best Regards, Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
* Rodrigo Gallardo: I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? A software which requires access to non-free documents over the network to work at all shouldn't go into main. It seems that gnaughty is currently in that category. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Rodrigo Gallardo rodr...@nul-unu.com writes: I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? The package description strongly implies that gnaughty works only with one specific porn index or download service, which is presumably non-free. If this is not the case, the proposed package description should be fixed. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russ Allbery schrieb: Rodrigo Gallardo rodr...@nul-unu.com writes: I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? The package description strongly implies that gnaughty works only with one specific porn index or download service, which is presumably non-free. If this is not the case, the proposed package description should be fixed. Seems like the description has to be fixed, there is no pay-only content and it has included some more download sources, not only one vendor. But also if the _free_ software is for downloading etc. pay-only content like music, I do not think that it has to enter contrib, because it does not has got a real dependenie on non-free stuff. - -- /* Mit freundlichem Gruß / With kind regards, Patrick Matthäi GNU/Linux Debian Developer E-Mail: pmatth...@debian.org patr...@linux-dev.org Comment: Always if we think we are right, we were maybe wrong. */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrWKoAACgkQ2XA5inpabMeZyACdFCpTQT3chGiIDe/PCW7suFZp VH0An2/RGLmmRJ1sPLj7stejUt92CVNX =UUsG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Florian Weimer a écrit : A software which requires access to non-free documents over the network to work at all shouldn't go into main. It seems that gnaughty is currently in that category. rtm (from awn-applets-python-extras) is such a program. Should it go out from main? tasque lets the user use the service rememberthemilk too, should it go out too? and how about tucan? (I'm sure there are a lot of other examples) Cheers, -- Mehdi Dogguy مهدي الدڤي http://dogguy.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 01:10:39PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Neil Williams dijo [Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:03:07PM +0100]:
My bank statements are non-free but iceweasel isn't in contrib.
Shame on you, were it not for that selfish standpoint we would have a
freer, more open world!
Also, I'd like to argue on the freeness of Neil's bank account access
codes. Either he surrenders them, or I threaten to upload an NMU of
*him* to non-free. And good luck with auto-building.
SCNR
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Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:27:07PM +, Florian Weimer wrote: I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? A software which requires access to non-free documents over the network to work at all shouldn't go into main. It seems that gnaughty is currently in that category. Sure, just remember to file RM bugs for: gmailfs googlizer libwww-google-calculator-perl opensync-plugin-google-calendar python-libgmail akonadi-kde-resource-googledata clive gcalcli gmail-notify tryton-modules-google-maps calendar-google-provider (picking on just Google) -- 1KB // Microsoft corollary to Hanlon's razor: // Never attribute to stupidity what can be // adequately explained by malice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Russ Allbery schrieb: The package description strongly implies that gnaughty works only with one specific porn index or download service, which is presumably non-free. If this is not the case, the proposed package description should be fixed. [Patrick Matthäi] Seems like the description has to be fixed, there is no pay-only content and it has included some more download sources, not only one vendor. Wow, when did 'non-free' and 'pay-only' become synonymous? Is this debian-devel, or ZDnet? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org writes: Russ Allbery schrieb: Rodrigo Gallardo rodr...@nul-unu.com writes: I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? The package description strongly implies that gnaughty works only with one specific porn index or download service, which is presumably non-free. If this is not the case, the proposed package description should be fixed. Seems like the description has to be fixed, there is no pay-only content and it has included some more download sources, not only one vendor. Oh, okay. I think that's much of what was confusing people. I know I read the package description as being tied to a particular service originally as well. But also if the _free_ software is for downloading etc. pay-only content like music, I do not think that it has to enter contrib, because it does not has got a real dependenie on non-free stuff. Yeah, it's a bit of a marginal case. We have, for instance, Perl modules to talk to the Amazon APIs in main, although in most of those cases the API is relatively open and some other sites also implement it. I'm not sure what we'd do with, say, a free software program whose sole and exclusive purpose is to interact with the iTunes music store. Putting it into contrib does feel like nitpicking. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:34:28 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:27:07PM +, Florian Weimer wrote: I could just put up a site with CC porn, then. Aren't we supposed not to discriminate against fields of endeavour? A software which requires access to non-free documents over the network to work at all shouldn't go into main. It seems that gnaughty is currently in that category. Sure, just remember to file RM bugs for: gmailfs googlizer libwww-google-calculator-perl opensync-plugin-google-calendar python-libgmail akonadi-kde-resource-googledata clive gcalcli gmail-notify tryton-modules-google-maps calendar-google-provider (picking on just Google) the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On mer, 2009-10-14 at 16:23 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. I don't really think clive use data licensed at the user discretion. This whole thread is just pointless. -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:48:19 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: Florian Weimer a écrit : A software which requires access to non-free documents over the network to work at all shouldn't go into main. It seems that gnaughty is currently in that category. rtm (from awn-applets-python-extras) is such a program. Should it go out from main? tasque lets the user use the service rememberthemilk too, should it go out too? and how about tucan? i couldn't find rtm, but tasque and tucan fail my proposed litmus test (does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly) because the data itself is licensed at the users discretion. hence, these applications are permitted in main. see hannah-foo2zjs, which was split from foo2zjs and put in contrib because it is a script who's sole purpose is to fetch non-free printer firmwares; or ttf-mathmatica whose sole purpose is to fetch non-free fonts. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:27:25 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mer, 2009-10-14 at 16:23 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. I don't really think clive use data licensed at the user discretion. i agree, clive only functions properly when it has access to the non-free content on youtube, so it would pass my litmus test, and should be moved to contrib. This whole thread is just pointless. it is certainly worth pondering and deliberating on the issue since up to this point there is no concrete debian policy on the matter. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
* Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl, 2009-10-14, 21:34: A software which requires access to non-free documents over the network to work at all shouldn't go into main. It seems that gnaughty is currently in that category. Sure, just remember to file RM bugs for: gmailfs Not a very good example: http://bugs.debian.org/540773 -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:27:25 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mer, 2009-10-14 at 16:23 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. I don't really think clive use data licensed at the user discretion. i agree, clive only functions properly when it has access to the non-free content on youtube, so it would pass my litmus test, and should be moved to contrib. What makes youtube content (or any of the media content from the many other sites clive supports) automatically non-free? Doesn't it depend on how the media's author has decided to license their work? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:19 -0400, James Vega wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:27:25 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mer, 2009-10-14 at 16:23 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. I don't really think clive use data licensed at the user discretion. i agree, clive only functions properly when it has access to the non-free content on youtube, so it would pass my litmus test, and should be moved to contrib. What makes youtube content (or any of the media content from the many other sites clive supports) automatically non-free? Doesn't it depend on how the media's author has decided to license their work? if i recall, youtube has a specific usage agreement (i found [0]) applicable to all of its content, which for all intents and purposes would likely be declared non-free if reviewed for dfsg-freeness. hence, access to youtube content through youtube itself would be considered non-free due to that usage agreement; even though dfsg-free content may be hosted there. i've never used clive so i do not know what the usage agreements say for the other supported video sites. mike [0] http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/terms.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:13:10 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:19 -0400, James Vega wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:27:25 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mer, 2009-10-14 at 16:23 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. I don't really think clive use data licensed at the user discretion. i agree, clive only functions properly when it has access to the non-free content on youtube, so it would pass my litmus test, and should be moved to contrib. What makes youtube content (or any of the media content from the many other sites clive supports) automatically non-free? Doesn't it depend on how the media's author has decided to license their work? if i recall, youtube has a specific usage agreement (i found [0]) applicable to all of its content, which for all intents and purposes would likely be declared non-free if reviewed for dfsg-freeness. hence, access to youtube content through youtube itself would be considered non-free due to that usage agreement; even though dfsg-free content may be hosted there. here are the terms of service for youtube [0]. section 4A alone would be sufficient to declare the service non-free. mike [0] http://www.youtube.com/t/terms -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:18:33PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:13:10 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:19 -0400, James Vega wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:27:25 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mer, 2009-10-14 at 16:23 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. I don't really think clive use data licensed at the user discretion. i agree, clive only functions properly when it has access to the non-free content on youtube, so it would pass my litmus test, and should be moved to contrib. What makes youtube content (or any of the media content from the many other sites clive supports) automatically non-free? Doesn't it depend on how the media's author has decided to license their work? if i recall, youtube has a specific usage agreement (i found [0]) applicable to all of its content, which for all intents and purposes would likely be declared non-free if reviewed for dfsg-freeness. hence, access to youtube content through youtube itself would be considered non-free due to that usage agreement; even though dfsg-free content may be hosted there. here are the terms of service for youtube [0]. section 4A alone would be sufficient to declare the service non-free. Unless there is a clause saying that no youtube user shall license her work under a free license, I see no problem. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:28:14 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:18:33PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:13:10 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:19 -0400, James Vega wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:27:25 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mer, 2009-10-14 at 16:23 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: the key litmus test is: does the application depend solely on non-free information to function properly. these google applications fail this test because the licensing of the data itself is at the user's discretion. hence, they are permitted in main. I don't really think clive use data licensed at the user discretion. i agree, clive only functions properly when it has access to the non-free content on youtube, so it would pass my litmus test, and should be moved to contrib. What makes youtube content (or any of the media content from the many other sites clive supports) automatically non-free? Doesn't it depend on how the media's author has decided to license their work? if i recall, youtube has a specific usage agreement (i found [0]) applicable to all of its content, which for all intents and purposes would likely be declared non-free if reviewed for dfsg-freeness. hence, access to youtube content through youtube itself would be considered non-free due to that usage agreement; even though dfsg-free content may be hosted there. here are the terms of service for youtube [0]. section 4A alone would be sufficient to declare the service non-free. Unless there is a clause saying that no youtube user shall license her work under a free license, I see no problem. IANAL (I Am Not a Lawyer), but from a legal point of view, the rights granted to you by youtube for content available on their site are independent of the rights that could be granted to you directly by the content's copyright holder. these terms of service apply as soon as you access the site and make very clear non-free restrictions on all User Submissions regardless of the license choices of the original copyright holder. also, according to term 6C, the original copyright holder gave up a long list of their inherent rights to youtube. hence, the content there does not come with the same set of rights as if you had accessed the content directly from the copyright holder. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On 2009-10-14, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: But also if the _free_ software is for downloading etc. pay-only content like music, I do not think that it has to enter contrib, because it does not has got a real dependenie on non-free stuff. Yeah, it's a bit of a marginal case. We have, for instance, Perl modules to talk to the Amazon APIs in main, although in most of those cases the API is relatively open and some other sites also implement it. The appearance of Eucalyptus is pretty recent, though. So you'd need to wait until a free service of an API gets released? How feature complete does it need to be? If I release a compliant porn directory with only one pic, would that be appropriate? And I could easily make it non-porn too. zsnes used to be in contrib, but somebody made the case that there could be, in fact, free roms, because the way how to program the box is not exactly secret anymore. (If they would be buildable on Debian is another question.) It lives in main now and my gut feeling is that it's the right thing to do, given that the code base is free to modify, share and gives you the usual rights of a free software license (here: GPL2). Kind regards, Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp Kern schrieb: On 2009-10-14, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: But also if the _free_ software is for downloading etc. pay-only content like music, I do not think that it has to enter contrib, because it does not has got a real dependenie on non-free stuff. Yeah, it's a bit of a marginal case. We have, for instance, Perl modules to talk to the Amazon APIs in main, although in most of those cases the API is relatively open and some other sites also implement it. The appearance of Eucalyptus is pretty recent, though. So you'd need to wait until a free service of an API gets released? How feature complete does it need to be? If I release a compliant porn directory with only one pic, would that be appropriate? And I could easily make it non-porn too. zsnes used to be in contrib, but somebody made the case that there could be, in fact, free roms, because the way how to program the box is not exactly secret anymore. (If they would be buildable on Debian is another question.) It lives in main now and my gut feeling is that it's the right thing to do, given that the code base is free to modify, share and gives you the usual rights of a free software license (here: GPL2). Please move this whole discussion to debian-legal now. - -- /* Mit freundlichem Gruß / With kind regards, Patrick Matthäi GNU/Linux Debian Developer E-Mail: pmatth...@debian.org patr...@linux-dev.org Comment: Always if we think we are right, we were maybe wrong. */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrWTt0ACgkQ2XA5inpabMfMkgCZAa1TyfmAqpzQN+I15vl2pohe 5lEAni039ylmJ95ylOC3RWVX/hmGnHJU =JCXs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org writes: Philipp Kern schrieb: On 2009-10-14, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Yeah, it's a bit of a marginal case. We have, for instance, Perl modules to talk to the Amazon APIs in main, although in most of those cases the API is relatively open and some other sites also implement it. The appearance of Eucalyptus is pretty recent, though. So you'd need to wait until a free service of an API gets released? How feature complete does it need to be? If I release a compliant porn directory with only one pic, would that be appropriate? And I could easily make it non-porn too. I suspect that the right thing to say is that if the API can be implemented in free software, the software can go into main, but it's really hard to figure out how to draw the line with installer packages. Probably drawing the line between code and data is worthwhile. If the package needs to download and install non-free code on the system to run, it's probably contrib. If it's just a tool for manipulating data, which may be non-free, then main is a reasonable place to put it. zsnes used to be in contrib, but somebody made the case that there could be, in fact, free roms, because the way how to program the box is not exactly secret anymore. (If they would be buildable on Debian is another question.) It lives in main now and my gut feeling is that it's the right thing to do, given that the code base is free to modify, share and gives you the usual rights of a free software license (here: GPL2). The ROM thing is a case of the code issue, and is probably more complicated than programs that deal only with data. I think, regardless, given the information on this thread, there's no reason why this program would need to be in contrib. Please move this whole discussion to debian-legal now. No. debian-legal is the place for license nit-picking, which isn't what this discussion is about. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russ Allbery schrieb: Please move this whole discussion to debian-legal now. No. debian-legal is the place for license nit-picking, which isn't what this discussion is about. The main discussion is about applications/libs where the sourcecode itself is free in the manner of the DFSG, but it is only useable with non-free services and something like that, like a software for buying music online. It is about moving such apps to contrib, because it is free, but depends on non-free content, which is a DFSG question and so on stuff for debian-legal, or I am wrong? - -- /* Mit freundlichem Gruß / With kind regards, Patrick Matthäi GNU/Linux Debian Developer E-Mail: pmatth...@debian.org patr...@linux-dev.org Comment: Always if we think we are right, we were maybe wrong. */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrWVNgACgkQ2XA5inpabMcqkwCfQ09A896+d0iPMITGJU3Vch+J dx8AnA/XBH0TPRJrimxo53bPYau3GeNz =IW/o -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org writes: The main discussion is about applications/libs where the sourcecode itself is free in the manner of the DFSG, but it is only useable with non-free services and something like that, like a software for buying music online. It is about moving such apps to contrib, because it is free, but depends on non-free content, which is a DFSG question and so on stuff for debian-legal, or I am wrong? This is not a legal or license question; Debian is fine either way. It's a question about where we want to draw the line between contrib and main, and all the previous iterations of that discussion have happened on debian-devel. debian-legal is just a place to talk about legal issues in Debian. It has no special role in the project, unlike debian-devel, and in general is not a useful place to decide project policy. Most substantive discussions of the DFSG, as opposed to its application to a specific unusual license, happen somewhere other than debian-legal. Anyway, rather than moving the thread, I think we can probably just end it, or at least this portion of it. I don't think there's any remaining significant substantive disagreement about this specific package and the DFSG. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:46:48AM +0200, Patrick Matthäi wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russ Allbery schrieb: Please move this whole discussion to debian-legal now. No. debian-legal is the place for license nit-picking, which isn't what this discussion is about. The main discussion is about applications/libs where the sourcecode itself is free in the manner of the DFSG, but it is only useable with non-free services and something like that, like a software for buying music online. It is about moving such apps to contrib, because it is free, but depends on non-free content, which is a DFSG question and so on stuff for debian-legal, or I am wrong? This thread is actually a question for those who decide, that is, ftp-masters. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Michal Čihař wrote: * Package name: gnaughty Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Troy McClure tro...@users.sourceforge.net * URL : http://gnaughty.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : downloader for adult content Program to automatically download adult sex content, i.e. porn movies and pictures, from a known internet porn directory. Providing a friendly interface, users who feel like having some porn can have it served fastly and directly to their desktop. Do you know about bug 283578 ? Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:58:01PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Michal Čihař wrote: * Package name: gnaughty Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Troy McClure tro...@users.sourceforge.net * URL : http://gnaughty.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : downloader for adult content Program to automatically download adult sex content, i.e. porn movies and pictures, from a known internet porn directory. Providing a friendly interface, users who feel like having some porn can have it served fastly and directly to their desktop. Do you know about bug 283578 ? Arguably, while hot-babe did contain hot pictures, gnaughty only is a GUI to get them and doesn't provide them. Or at least that is what the description above says. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:24:02PM +0200, Michal ??iha?? wrote: * Package name: gnaughty Gnome projects starting with a 'g' are lame. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
Hi Dne Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:58:01 +0200 Frederic Peters fpet...@debian.org napsal(a): Michal Čihař wrote: * Package name: gnaughty Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Troy McClure tro...@users.sourceforge.net * URL : http://gnaughty.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : downloader for adult content Program to automatically download adult sex content, i.e. porn movies and pictures, from a known internet porn directory. Providing a friendly interface, users who feel like having some porn can have it served fastly and directly to their desktop. Do you know about bug 283578 ? Yes, but the main objections there was that it includes the picture. This tool is just a downloader. You can also use Iceweasel, wget or anything else to download same things. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#550860: ITP: gnaughty -- downloader for adult content
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Michal Čihař ni...@debian.org wrote: Description : downloader for adult content Program to automatically download adult sex content, i.e. porn movies and pictures, from a known internet porn directory. Providing a friendly interface, users who feel like having some porn can have it served fastly and directly to their desktop. Do you know about bug 283578 ? Yes, but the main objections there was that it includes the picture. This tool is just a downloader. You can also use Iceweasel, wget or anything else to download same things. Can gnaughty download anything other than porn? -- russ...@coker.com.au http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Main Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
