Re: Bug#692830: ITP: nemo -- File manager for cinnamon
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 03:59:00PM +0100, Nicolas Bourdaud wrote: Nemo is a complete fork of Nautilus 3.4 and its goal is to extend the Cinnamon user experience to desktop and file management. I don't think it is currently a sensible decision to introduce duplicate GNOME3 packages into Debian. Nautilus 3.4 is currently available through GNOME3, so this would introduce redundancy. Also, I am not really convinced of the quality of the packages by Linux Mint. The mdm display manager in the current Linux Mint release is a dirty fork of the original gdm 2.20 code with the word gdm regexp-replaced by mdm (the readme [1] refers to ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/mdm/; as the download location, for example). Also, the debian directory contains a control.in template which is never used (since this was part of the original Debian package). The package doesn't cleanly co-install with gdm nor gdm3, contains tons of lintian errors and uses a completely outdated version of debhelper. I don't think such packages would meet the quality standards of Debian. Also, last time I checked, Linux Mint Debian itself mixes packages from unstable with their own repository and I have seen many package conflicts with this setup. I think a derivative distribution should always maintain their own complete repository. Cheers, Adrian [1] https://github.com/linuxmint/mdm/blob/master/README [2] https://github.com/linuxmint/mdm/tree/master/debian/control.in -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121109160657.ga28...@physik.fu-berlin.de
Re: Bug#692830: ITP: nemo -- File manager for cinnamon
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:06:57PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I don't think it is currently a sensible decision to introduce duplicate GNOME3 packages into Debian. Nautilus 3.4 is currently available through GNOME3, so this would introduce redundancy. wheezy will have 3.4 but 3.6 is already in experimental. So uploads targetting experimental only until post-freeze should address your concern. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121109162316.GC23696@debian
Re: Bug#692830: ITP: nemo -- File manager for cinnamon
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 04:23:16PM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:06:57PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I don't think it is currently a sensible decision to introduce duplicate GNOME3 packages into Debian. Nautilus 3.4 is currently available through GNOME3, so this would introduce redundancy. wheezy will have 3.4 but 3.6 is already in experimental. So uploads targetting experimental only until post-freeze should address your concern. Yes, that's correct. But that's only one of the points of my criticism. I am in general not very much convinced by the quality of the packages in Linux Mint. Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121109162703.ga29...@physik.fu-berlin.de
Re: Bug#692830: ITP: nemo -- File manager for cinnamon
Hi, On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:27:03PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 04:23:16PM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:06:57PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I don't think it is currently a sensible decision to introduce duplicate GNOME3 packages into Debian. Nautilus 3.4 is currently available through GNOME3, so this would introduce redundancy. wheezy will have 3.4 but 3.6 is already in experimental. So uploads targetting experimental only until post-freeze should address your concern. Yes, that's correct. But that's only one of the points of my criticism. I am in general not very much convinced by the quality of the packages in Linux Mint. You critized their packaging, but this appears to be an upstream fork which is not just a sed regexp to replace the name. If people think it is worth keeping the nautilus codebase around, I think it would be ok to have it packaged, there is worse bloat in Debian and the default file manager of a very prominent desktop environment can be a personal thing to users. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121109163940.ga19...@nighthawk.chemicalconnection.dyndns.org
Re: Bug#692830: ITP: nemo -- File manager for cinnamon
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:39:40PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: You critized their packaging, but this appears to be an upstream fork which is not just a sed regexp to replace the name. I am just sharing my experiences so far. I tried to help them to fix issues in mdm and my commits were reverted, even though other people agreed with me. I am just worried with the quality of packages in Debian. I choose Debian over everything else because of its high quality standards. If people think it is worth keeping the nautilus codebase around, I think it would be ok to have it packaged, Hmm, are the GNOME developers eventually dropping nautilus altogether? there is worse bloat in Debian Sure, but that doesn't mean we should introduce more mess. We should rather clean up what's messed up. and the default file manager of a very prominent desktop environment can be a personal thing to users. I don't know, shouldn't these users just not use Linux Mint itself then? The version in Debian will be quickly outdated then anyway, so that most users will probably complain. Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121109164756.ga29...@physik.fu-berlin.de
Re: Bug#692830: ITP: nemo -- File manager for cinnamon
Hi, On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:47:56PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:39:40PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: If people think it is worth keeping the nautilus codebase around, I think it would be ok to have it packaged, Hmm, are the GNOME developers eventually dropping nautilus altogether? Well, they GNOME'd it in the sense that quite a few options and features are gone now in order to provide a streamlined usability. I don't know, shouldn't these users just not use Linux Mint itself then? The version in Debian will be quickly outdated then anyway, so that most users will probably complain. That's a strawman argument which works for every package in Debian (except that upstream is in this case a distribution itself, but I don't see the point - what about all the packages that Red Hat is upstream of?) Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121109165215.gb19...@nighthawk.chemicalconnection.dyndns.org
Re: Bug#692830: ITP: nemo -- File manager for cinnamon
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:27:03PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Yes, that's correct. But that's only one of the points of my criticism. I am in general not very much convinced by the quality of the packages in Linux Mint. Neither am I. I did look at cinnamon and muffin briefly, saw many of the same issues you describe for mdm (muffin a regex-change-only version of mutter) and I couldn't see the point of muffin at all (why couldn't cinnamon be a client of mutter?) plus lots of copyright and documentation issues. However I expect things will improve given time, and/or input from people who care (Debian packagers). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121109171711.GE23696@debian
