Re: Status of circular dependencies in Sid

2012-12-16 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Sun 16 Dec 2012 02:58:36 Petter Reinholdtsen escribió:
 [Ian Jackson]
 
 There is still nothing per se wrong with circular dependencies
 
 [Thorsten Glaser]
 
  Actually, I’m hitting an APT bug during dist-upgrades right now for
  packages with circular dependencies, usually two (perl with
  perl-modules, and g++-$version with its library), when they are
  indirectly depended on by a package with Important: yes set, as was
  recommended for metapackages which should not be considered by APT
  for automatic removal.
 
 A similar issue with libqt4-dbus is blocking upgrades of a desktop
 installation from squeeze to wheezy the last two weeks (as detected by
 jenkins.debian.net).  See URL: http://bugs.debian.org/655382  and
 related BTS reports for the details.
 
 I really hope we can get rid of the circular package dependencies. :)

I've has just wrote that in the bug report, but I think without CCing here.

In the case of libqt4-dbus, the fix is ready to be uploaded and ACKed by the 
RT, but we are waiting for a fix of a FTBFS of the previous upload.

Kinds regards, Lisandro.

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Re: Status of circular dependencies in Sid

2012-12-15 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Ian Jackson]
There is still nothing per se wrong with circular dependencies

[Thorsten Glaser]
 Actually, I’m hitting an APT bug during dist-upgrades right now for
 packages with circular dependencies, usually two (perl with
 perl-modules, and g++-$version with its library), when they are
 indirectly depended on by a package with Important: yes set, as was
 recommended for metapackages which should not be considered by APT
 for automatic removal.

A similar issue with libqt4-dbus is blocking upgrades of a desktop
installation from squeeze to wheezy the last two weeks (as detected by
jenkins.debian.net).  See URL: http://bugs.debian.org/655382  and
related BTS reports for the details.

I really hope we can get rid of the circular package dependencies. :)

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Re: Status of circular dependencies in Sid

2012-09-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Ian Jackson dixit:

There is still nothing per se wrong with circular dependencies

Actually, I’m hitting an APT bug during dist-upgrades right now
for packages with circular dependencies, usually two (perl with
perl-modules, and g++-$version with its library), when they are
indirectly depended on by a package with Important: yes set, as
was recommended for metapackages which should not be considered
by APT for automatic removal.

My upgrade documentation for our company wiki has sections like:

In case of problems, solve iteratively:
* E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl'. Please see man 5 
apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
* E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl-modules'. Please see 
man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
apt-get --purge install perl -o APT::Immediate-Configure=no
apt-get --purge dist-upgrade

* E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'g++-4.4'. Please see man 5 
apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
apt-get --purge install build-essential -o APT::Immediate-Configure=no
apt-get --purge dist-upgrade

And Policy says:
[…]
 breaking point is arbitrary.  Packages should therefore avoid circular
 dependencies where possible, particularly if they have ostinst'
 scripts.
[…]

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Re: Status of circular dependencies in Sid

2012-09-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Bill Allombert writes (Status of circular dependencies in Sid):
 Today circular dependencies in unstable reached an all-time low, with
 only 36 circular dependencies.

There is still nothing per se wrong with circular dependencies and
there are situations where a circular dependency is the right answer.

Ian.


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Re: Status of circular dependencies in Sid

2012-09-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 06 septembre 2012 à 13:10 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : 
 There is still nothing per se wrong with circular dependencies and
 there are situations where a circular dependency is the right answer.

I have yet to see one such situation.

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