Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:18:57PM +0100, Mark A. Morris wrote:
> HI,
> I represent Introversion Software (www.introversion.co.uk).
> We are currently releasing our first computer game - Uplink.  Uplink is
> a puzzle / adventure game set on the internet of 2010.  We have both
> windows and Linux versions available, and we are hoping to work with
> various Linux distributions in a mutually beneficial relationship.  We
> are asking you to include a copy of the Uplink demo with your Linux
> distribution, we get the benefit of publicity and your users get the
> benefit of playing a high-quality Linux game.  We have already had
> success with Mandrake, and now we are hoping you will consider our
> offer.
>  
> If you have any further questions or queries, please do not hesitate to
> contact me.

Debian generally does not do this sort of thing for commercial software.
What a developer can do if he is inclined to do so is build an installer
package for the archive.

Personally I'm not terribly fond of these installers and would much rather
have Introversion host an aptable archive containing the latest patches to
Uplink.  It's generally not difficult to set up such a thing and if you
are interested in doing it I'd be happy to help with setting it up - it's
really not difficult at all.


I'm probably not an ideal person for building the packages as I am
currently on a modem (and miss my broadband greatly!) and don't happen to
have a copy of Uplink yet.  Those damned living expenses getting in the
way of the really important things like games, you understand.  =)

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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Sean Middleditch
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 13:40, Rob Bradford wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 16:32, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > I'll go ahead an e-mail some of the game companies, if you or anyone
> > else really wants to help, I can get debiangames.org registered and find
> > a decent host.  ^,^
> 
> We can host this on the debianplanet.org machine, which has surplus
> bandwidth and cpu cycles =)

Well, sweet.  Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said he has installer
packages for Uplink.  When I get home today (at work now) I'll find the
e-mail address for various Linux game companies, and see what we can
come up with.

Now just need someone with passable site design skills to build a site
(because mine would be just plain text, which isn't very fitting for a
gaming site).

Maybe we can have articles for Debian specific gaming issues and so on,
as well.  ^,^

> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> Rob 'robster' Bradford
> http://robster.org.uk




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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Rob Bradford
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 16:32, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> I'll go ahead an e-mail some of the game companies, if you or anyone
> else really wants to help, I can get debiangames.org registered and find
> a decent host.  ^,^

We can host this on the debianplanet.org machine, which has surplus
bandwidth and cpu cycles =)

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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Joe Wreschnig
Mark,

I've had a third party Uplink Debian package available -
http://www.sacredchao.net/software/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/games/uplink_2_i386.deb.
The package itself is just an installer, but it can install the demo, or
off the Uplink CD, and patch an installed copy. I emailed Chris Delay
about it a while ago, and posted it to the forums, but it never got
linked off the download page or "Other Files" section.

No matter what you do, Debian isn't going to include Uplink, because
it's not DFSG-free software ("open source"). On the other hand, Cc:ing
-devel in case one of the official developers wants to hammer my work
into something suitable for contrib (a non-official part of Debian that
many users of Debian get packages from).
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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Sean Middleditch
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 10:18, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:10, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > > Maybe you could run such a site and use it to promote your AwesomePlay
> > > company?  I doubt that your company would be seen as a competitor of
> > > Introvision and they would probably be happy to work with you.  Maybe
> > > they'd even pay you to produce the Debian packages of their software?
> >
> > Heh.  If only I was that talented.  I'll look into it, tho.  I had
> > started Open Games, and sort of lost interest... maybe I could start
> > that back up again. ^,^  (With a site design that doesn't induce
> > vomitting, like the current one.)
> 
> It's not that difficult to do.  Also you could sub-contract parts of the work 
> out to some of the people here if you can't do it all.  I'd consider doing 
> some of the work.

^,^  Well, I'm right now looking over my current resources (i.e. time,
web space, experience, etc.) and I think the only problem I'd really
have is that I have the web design talents of a diseased monkey on a
stick.  (As you can see from looking at any of the sites I've worked on
all by myself - the only things I've done that are good my best friend,
who is an awesome artist, helped with.)

However, starting a site for this with just one game isn't quite worth
the effort, and Loki is out of it, so I'd need to find other game
companies to work with (already added id to the list, and going to add
bioware/infogrames).

I suppose with some help, slapping together a debiangames.org, including
an apt-gettable list of game demoes, gaming news regarding packages in
Debian, forums, etc. wouldn't be bad.  It's just getting the companies
to let us package the games, and building the site content (I hate the
way every 4 out of 5 oss/linux sites are just PHPNuke or one of its
cousins - it gets very old very quickly)

I'll go ahead an e-mail some of the game companies, if you or anyone
else really wants to help, I can get debiangames.org registered and find
a decent host.  ^,^

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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:10, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > Maybe you could run such a site and use it to promote your AwesomePlay
> > company?  I doubt that your company would be seen as a competitor of
> > Introvision and they would probably be happy to work with you.  Maybe
> > they'd even pay you to produce the Debian packages of their software?
>
> Heh.  If only I was that talented.  I'll look into it, tho.  I had
> started Open Games, and sort of lost interest... maybe I could start
> that back up again. ^,^  (With a site design that doesn't induce
> vomitting, like the current one.)

It's not that difficult to do.  Also you could sub-contract parts of the work 
out to some of the people here if you can't do it all.  I'd consider doing 
some of the work.

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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Sean Middleditch
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 09:50, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:01, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > > > I represent Introversion Software (www.introversion.co.uk).
> > > > We are currently releasing our first computer game - Uplink.  Uplink is
> > >
> > > Let us know when you've published the source to the Demo and we'll
> > > consider it.
> >
> > There's always Contrib.
> 
> Which can't be included on CDs or DVDs and generally doesn't get seen much.

Ah, I didn't know that.  Sorry.  ^,^

(I should bother looking thru what my CD's actually have on them...)

> 
> > I think having game demos in non-free/contrib of Debian would be
> > awesome.  Yes, you're helping the companies make money, but you're also
> > making Debian a little more attractive to the average consumer.
> 
> Why not set up a separate site for Debian packages of game demos?  There's 
> currently a site with an aptable list of DIVX/CSS/etc, there's a site with 
> KDE betas, why not a site with game demos?

That's an idea.  Doesn't Ximian provide this for games with RedCarpet
(They do with RedHat, I know that)?

> 
> Maybe you could run such a site and use it to promote your AwesomePlay 
> company?  I doubt that your company would be seen as a competitor of 
> Introvision and they would probably be happy to work with you.  Maybe they'd 
> even pay you to produce the Debian packages of their software?

Heh.  If only I was that talented.  I'll look into it, tho.  I had
started Open Games, and sort of lost interest... maybe I could start
that back up again. ^,^  (With a site design that doesn't induce
vomitting, like the current one.)

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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:01, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > > I represent Introversion Software (www.introversion.co.uk).
> > > We are currently releasing our first computer game - Uplink.  Uplink is
> >
> > Let us know when you've published the source to the Demo and we'll
> > consider it.
>
> There's always Contrib.

Which can't be included on CDs or DVDs and generally doesn't get seen much.

> I think having game demos in non-free/contrib of Debian would be
> awesome.  Yes, you're helping the companies make money, but you're also
> making Debian a little more attractive to the average consumer.

Why not set up a separate site for Debian packages of game demos?  There's 
currently a site with an aptable list of DIVX/CSS/etc, there's a site with 
KDE betas, why not a site with game demos?

Maybe you could run such a site and use it to promote your AwesomePlay 
company?  I doubt that your company would be seen as a competitor of 
Introvision and they would probably be happy to work with you.  Maybe they'd 
even pay you to produce the Debian packages of their software?

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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Sean Middleditch
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 08:30, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:18, Mark A. Morris wrote:
> > I represent Introversion Software (www.introversion.co.uk).
> > We are currently releasing our first computer game - Uplink.  Uplink is
> > a puzzle / adventure game set on the internet of 2010.  We have both
> > windows and Linux versions available, and we are hoping to work with
> > various Linux distributions in a mutually beneficial relationship.  We
> > are asking you to include a copy of the Uplink demo with your Linux
> > distribution, we get the benefit of publicity and your users get the
> > benefit of playing a high-quality Linux game.  We have already had
> > success with Mandrake, and now we are hoping you will consider our
> > offer.
> >
> > If you have any further questions or queries, please do not hesitate to
> > contact me.
> 
> Let us know when you've published the source to the Demo and we'll consider 
> it.

There's always Contrib.

I think having game demos in non-free/contrib of Debian would be
awesome.  Yes, you're helping the companies make money, but you're also
making Debian a little more attractive to the average consumer.

Without any commercial interest in Linux/BSD/etc., none of them would
have gotten quite as far as they have (those companies *have* sunk lots
of money and manpower into our efforts).  Games are one of the things
that push consumer hard-ware and driver developments to the max.  ^,^

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Re: Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:18, Mark A. Morris wrote:
> I represent Introversion Software (www.introversion.co.uk).
> We are currently releasing our first computer game - Uplink.  Uplink is
> a puzzle / adventure game set on the internet of 2010.  We have both
> windows and Linux versions available, and we are hoping to work with
> various Linux distributions in a mutually beneficial relationship.  We
> are asking you to include a copy of the Uplink demo with your Linux
> distribution, we get the benefit of publicity and your users get the
> benefit of playing a high-quality Linux game.  We have already had
> success with Mandrake, and now we are hoping you will consider our
> offer.
>
> If you have any further questions or queries, please do not hesitate to
> contact me.

Let us know when you've published the source to the Demo and we'll consider 
it.

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Uplink release with Debian

2002-04-03 Thread Mark A. Morris








HI,

    I represent
Introversion Software (www.introversion.co.uk). 
We are currently releasing our first computer game – Uplink.  Uplink is a puzzle / adventure game set on
the internet of 2010.  We have both
windows and Linux versions available, and we are hoping to work with various
Linux distributions in a mutually beneficial relationship.  We are asking you to include a copy of the
Uplink demo with your Linux distribution, we get the benefit of publicity and
your users get the benefit of playing a high-quality Linux game.  We have already had success with Mandrake,
and now we are hoping you will consider our offer.

 

If you have any further questions or queries, please do not
hesitate to contact me.

 

 

Mark Morris

Director

 

Tel: 0207 419 2298 / 07775 654 527

Fax: 0207 813 2862

 

===

Introversion Software

PO Box 3210, Glastonbury, Somerset, BA6 8WF

 






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