Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[Patrice Coni]

Hello Justin

Thank you!
I'm glad you helped me and that I didn't have to translate by myself or 
by google translator.


With LXQt I still had some difficulties with the automatic change of the 
wallpaper via the command line.

If I find the cause of the problem then I will add support for LXQt too.

Best regards

Patrice Coni

Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[RL]

Patrice Coni  writes:

> Dear Richard Lewis
>
> Thank you for your work and informations.
>
> As for the copyright thing, I still have to think about it.
> As I have seen, there are various applications and websites
> on the internet that download the photos from Bing.
> As I have seen, each picture has its the copyright by his owner.
> This copyright is included in the description of the daily image.
> Every description (with copyright) about the image is stored in
> a database, which is managed by my application.
> I am currently in contact with Microsoft regarding the copyright.
> But I see no reason to refer to the copyright of the daily picture
> in the package description?

I imagine debian-legal will give you a better answer, but the reason is
to help users understand what the package allows and does not allow.

Just because someone can write software to download images does not mean
they are legally allowed to do so - as a debian user deciding whether i
want to use this package my first question when i read the description
was whether it was even legally allowed. And i also want to know whether
anything i download i can then reuse - if there is less freedom I would
want to know that upfront.

I think that Debian is a project by, and (to some extent) for, people
who cares deeply about doing the right thing with copyright licences.

As a user i appreciate that the project has thought about this so i
don't have to - so thank-you for considering it!

Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[Justin B Rye]

Patrice Coni wrote:
> As I have seen, each image has its the copyright by his owner.
> This copyright is included in the description of the daily image.
> Every description (with copyright) about the image is stored in
> a database, which managed by my application managed.
> But I don't refer to it in the description.

This sounds like something you'll need to ask debian-legal about.  If
it was "Microsoft Bing, Windows Spotlight, or the Internet Archive"
then you'd be more likely to get away with it...

[...]
>> I don't in fact see any evidence of Wayland support in
>>   https://github.com/pgc062020/DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus/
>> but then again I'm not sure what it would look like.
>> 
> Correct, the Application its not tested on Wayland at the moment.

Probably then it should have "X wallpaper" in the synopsis.
 
> The application only supports the mentioned desktops.
> I paraphrased it in the description so as not to list every desktop.

You're sure it supports KDE and LXDE but not LXQt?

> Source: dailydesktopwallpaperplus
> Section: misc
> Priority: optional
> Maintainer: Patrice Coni 
> Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), libc6-dev (>=2.31-13), baloo-kf5-dev, 
> tzdata, libqt5opengl5-dev, locales, qt5-qmake-bin, qtbase5-dev, qtchooser, 
> qt5-qmake, qtbase5-dev-tools
> Standards-Version: 4.5.1
> Homepage: https://github.com/pgc062020/DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus
> Rules-Requires-Root: no
> 
> Package: dailydesktopwallpaperplus
> Architecture: any
> Depends: libqt5gui5, libqt5widgets5, libqt5core5a, libqt5network5, 
> libqt5networkauth5, libqt5xml5, libqt5concurrent5, libqt5sql5, 
> libqt5sql5-psql, sensible-utils, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
> Description: Daily Bing or Windows Spotlight wallpaper

Lowercase D, insert X:

  Description: daily Bing or Windows Spotlight X wallpaper

>  DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the Bing or

^Microsoft Bing

>  Windows Spotlight daily picture as wallpaper. It offering

 It offers a selection

>  a selection of servers and image sizes, and saving them for

 and saves them for reuse.

Except that there's a problem with "them" here, because it doesn't
mean that it saves the servers or image sizes.  We could just say

 and saves images for reuse.

>  reuse. Further information about each picture can be obtained
>  directly from the Internet with a single  click. The

from the Internet with a single click.

(Redundant "directly", and an excess space, though it'll automatically
be crushed in most front-ends)

>  application supports an automatic wallpaper change on different
>  desktops on X11.

That's a strange phrasing; I'd suggest something like

  It integrates with most X11 desktop environments to
   provide automatically changing wallpaper.

-- 
JBR with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package
Source: dailydesktopwallpaperplus
Section: misc
Priority: optional
Maintainer: Patrice Coni 
Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), libc6-dev (>=2.31-13), baloo-kf5-dev, 
tzdata, libqt5opengl5-dev, locales, qt5-qmake-bin, qtbase5-dev, qtchooser, 
qt5-qmake, qtbase5-dev-tools
Standards-Version: 4.5.1
Homepage: https://github.com/pgc062020/DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus
Rules-Requires-Root: no

Package: dailydesktopwallpaperplus
Architecture: any
Depends: libqt5gui5, libqt5widgets5, libqt5core5a, libqt5network5, 
libqt5networkauth5, libqt5xml5, libqt5concurrent5, libqt5sql5, libqt5sql5-psql, 
sensible-utils, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
Description: daily Bing or Windows Spotlight X wallpaper
 DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the Microsoft Bing or
 Windows Spotlight daily picture as wallpaper. It offers a selection
 of servers and image sizes, and saves images for reuse. Further
 information about each picture can be obtained from the Internet with
 a single click. It integrates with most X11 desktop environments to
 provide automatically changing wallpaper.
--- control 2022-10-08 10:19:23.761101451 +0100
+++ control.new 2022-10-08 10:31:11.611203764 +0100
@@ -10,11 +10,10 @@
 Package: dailydesktopwallpaperplus
 Architecture: any
 Depends: libqt5gui5, libqt5widgets5, libqt5core5a, libqt5network5, 
libqt5networkauth5, libqt5xml5, libqt5concurrent5, libqt5sql5, libqt5sql5-psql, 
sensible-utils, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
-Description: Daily Bing or Windows Spotlight wallpaper
- DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the Bing or
- Windows Spotlight daily picture as wallpaper. It offering
- a selection of servers and image sizes, and saving them for
- reuse. Further information about each picture can be obtained
- directly from the Internet with a single  click. The
- application supports an automatic wallpaper change on different
- desktops on 

Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[Patrice Coni]

Dear Richard Lewis

Thank you for your work and informations.

As for the copyright thing, I still have to think about it.
As I have seen, there are various applications and websites
on the internet that download the photos from Bing.
As I have seen, each picture has its the copyright by his owner.
This copyright is included in the description of the daily image.
Every description (with copyright) about the image is stored in
a database, which is managed by my application.
I am currently in contact with Microsoft regarding the copyright.
But I see no reason to refer to the copyright of the daily picture
in the package description?

Best regards

Patrice Coni

Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[Patrice Coni]

Hello Justin

Thank you very much for your promt reply and for your
work!


It's usually easier to start from the actual file that the .pot file
is generated from.  This would mean I wouldn't need to convince my
system to ignore the attachment description "MS-Powerpoint
presentation", and more important I'd know what it was trying to be -
is this the proposed package description?

Yes, it is the package description.
All right, I'll attach my control file in the future.

Oops, I'd noticed that but forgot to do anything about it.  Yes; I was
assuming it was a *source*, like Bing, but in fact it's a "feature" of
the Windows desktop that helpfully inserts stock photos and adverts on
your lock screen unless you actively prevent it.  So it's not exactly
true to say that these wallpapers are *from* Windows Spotlight - the
source is really some URL under .  Is that too
pedantic to matter or should it perhaps be strategically vague and
just talk about using "the Microsoft Bing or Windows Spotlight daily
picture" as wallpaper?


You describe it very aptly. It's a feature.
I didn't have the words to describe it correctly.
Correct, my application will download the pictures
directly from arc.msn.com and from www.bing.com

As I have seen, each image has its the copyright by his owner.
This copyright is included in the description of the daily image.
Every description (with copyright) about the image is stored in
a database, which managed by my application managed.
But I don't refer to it in the description.


  Where does that leave us?

   daily picture from Bing or Windows Spotlight as wallpaper

   DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to use the Microsoft Bing or
   Windows Spotlight daily picture as wallpaper, offering a selection of
   servers and image sizes, and caching them for reuse. Further information
   about each picture can be obtained from the Internet with a single click.
   .
   DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus works automatically in Budgie, Cinnamon, KDE
   Plasma 5, LXDE, MATE, TDE, and XFCE4, on either X11 or Wayland.

I don't in fact see any evidence of Wayland support in
  https://github.com/pgc062020/DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus/
but then again I'm not sure what it would look like.


Correct, the Application its not tested on Wayland at the moment.

The application only supports the mentioned desktops.
I paraphrased it in the description so as not to list every desktop.


Best regards

Patrice Coni



Source: dailydesktopwallpaperplus
Section: misc
Priority: optional
Maintainer: Patrice Coni 
Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), libc6-dev (>=2.31-13), baloo-kf5-dev, 
tzdata, libqt5opengl5-dev, locales, qt5-qmake-bin, qtbase5-dev, qtchooser, 
qt5-qmake, qtbase5-dev-tools
Standards-Version: 4.5.1
Homepage: https://github.com/pgc062020/DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus
Rules-Requires-Root: no

Package: dailydesktopwallpaperplus
Architecture: any
Depends: libqt5gui5, libqt5widgets5, libqt5core5a, libqt5network5, 
libqt5networkauth5, libqt5xml5, libqt5concurrent5, libqt5sql5, libqt5sql5-psql, 
sensible-utils, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
Description: Daily Bing or Windows Spotlight wallpaper
 DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the Bing or
 Windows Spotlight daily picture as wallpaper. It offering
 a selection of servers and image sizes, and saving them for
 reuse. Further information about each picture can be obtained
 directly from the Internet with a single  click. The
 application supports an automatic wallpaper change on different
 desktops on X11.

Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[Justin B Rye]

RL wrote:
> Justin B Rye  writes:
>>   daily picture from Bing or Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper
>>
>>   DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the daily picture from Bing 
>> or
>   ^^^
> Is it "use" or "set"? (perhaps it doesnt matter?)

Good idea.  "Set X as Y" can be grammatical, but it's more effort to
process than "use X as Y".
  
> Should it explicitly say "Microsoft Bing" - dont think many people know
> what a "Bing" is.

I suspect the target audience for this package is Windows refugees who
are more likely to know than average, but fair enough, the full
version needs to be somewhere in the long description.
 
>>   Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper, offering a selection of servers and image
>^
> Is the hyphen correct - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Spotlight
> doesnt use one. It may help to say 'the "Windows Spotlight" service' -
> i'd never heard of this before.

Oops, I'd noticed that but forgot to do anything about it.  Yes; I was
assuming it was a *source*, like Bing, but in fact it's a "feature" of
the Windows desktop that helpfully inserts stock photos and adverts on
your lock screen unless you actively prevent it.  So it's not exactly
true to say that these wallpapers are *from* Windows Spotlight - the
source is really some URL under .  Is that too
pedantic to matter or should it perhaps be strategically vague and
just talk about using "the Microsoft Bing or Windows Spotlight daily
picture" as wallpaper?

> I also didnt understand what "server" means here - maybe it is not even
> needed, could just say "offering a selection of image sizes" which is
> more interesting for the end-user

It might just mean "should it pull from bing.com or msn.com?", but I
think it allows you to choose, say, the US rather than Chinese server.
 
>>   sizes, and caching them so that they can be browsed and selected for reuse
> 
> id suggest "downloading them so that they can be reused"

I'm fairly sure it has to download them to display them even once.
But now that we're working on reducing the wordage, the really short
option is:

  offering a selection of servers and
 image sizes, and caching them for reuse.
 
> But is this actually allowed - are the images freely licensed? is
> microsoft potentially going to sue anyone using this package without a
> windows licence? A short clarification would help.

Since it doesn't seem to be a Debian package yet I was ignoring
questions like whether it would be in main or contrib or REJECT as
outside d-l-e's jurisdiction.  The last few Bing images are at least
available for any web user to look at, but I don't see a "come and
root through our freely licensed back catalogue" link - looks as if
they once offered some sort of archive, but closed it down back in the
noughties.

>>   at any later date in DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus's selection tool. Further
> 
> everything before the . could be deleted, in my opinion
> 
>>   information for each picture can be obtained directly from the Internet 
>> with
> ^^
> 
> i'd suggest "about" rather than "for" here.

And I don't believe it automatically bypasses any proxy server I've
got mediating my Internet connections, so the "directly" should
probably go as well.

Where does that leave us?

  daily picture from Bing or Windows Spotlight as wallpaper

  DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to use the Microsoft Bing or
  Windows Spotlight daily picture as wallpaper, offering a selection of
  servers and image sizes, and caching them for reuse. Further information
  about each picture can be obtained from the Internet with a single click.
  .
  DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus works automatically in Budgie, Cinnamon, KDE
  Plasma 5, LXDE, MATE, TDE, and XFCE4, on either X11 or Wayland.

I don't in fact see any evidence of Wayland support in
 https://github.com/pgc062020/DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus/
but then again I'm not sure what it would look like.
-- 
JBR with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package

Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[RL]

Justin B Rye  writes:

>   daily picture from Bing or Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper
>
>   DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the daily picture from Bing or
  ^^^
Is it "use" or "set"? (perhaps it doesnt matter?)
  
Should it explicitly say "Microsoft Bing" - dont think many people know
what a "Bing" is.

>   Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper, offering a selection of servers and image
   ^
Is the hyphen correct - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Spotlight
doesnt use one. It may help to say 'the "Windows Spotlight" service' -
i'd never heard of this before.

I also didnt understand what "server" means here - maybe it is not even
needed, could just say "offering a selection of image sizes" which is
more interesting for the end-user

>   sizes, and caching them so that they can be browsed and selected for reuse

id suggest "downloading them so that they can be reused"

But is this actually allowed - are the images freely licensed? is
microsoft potentially going to sue anyone using this package without a
windows licence? A short clarification would help.

>   at any later date in DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus's selection tool. Further

everything before the . could be deleted, in my opinion

>   information for each picture can be obtained directly from the Internet with
^^

i'd suggest "about" rather than "for" here.

Re: dailydesktopwallpaperplus 4.0.7-1: Please translate debconf PO for the package dailydesktopwallpaperplus

[Justin B Rye]

Patrice Coni wrote:
> Dear Debian I18N/l10n people,
> 
> I would like to know if some of you would be interested in translating
> dailydesktopwallpaperplus.
> 
> Please translate the PO file to english. The attached PO file is in English.

It's usually easier to start from the actual file that the .pot file
is generated from.  This would mean I wouldn't need to convince my
system to ignore the attachment description "MS-Powerpoint
presentation", and more important I'd know what it was trying to be -
is this the proposed package description?

> Since I don't have a good knowledge of English, I ask you to read the
> text of the PO file and translate it correctly into English, if the text is
> fuzzy or bad.

Inlining it for comments:
[...]
>Daily picture from Bing or Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper
 daily

If this is the package short description, it follows almost all the
rules except it doesn't need a capital "D" in "Daily".

> DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the daily picture from Bing or
> Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper.

Good start.

>   The application allows one a selection of
> several servers from Bing to download a daily picture.

"Allows one" is usually a warning sign that you'd be better off
without the word "allow"; here it might as well be
   It offers a selection of servers from Bing
(you can't have a selection of one server, so "several" is redundant).
But what are "servers *from* Bing"?  Does this just mean "Bing servers"?


> Likewise, the daily
> picture can be obtained from a server  of Windows-Spotlight and can be used
> also as wallpaper.

In fact given that the first sentence already mentioned "from Bing or
Windows-Spotlight", these two seem an unnecessarily longwinded way of
saying "...offering a selection of servers".

(Why would anyone want to pick a different server, anyway?  Is this
about download speed or do they vary in content?)

> The photos can be downloaded in different sizes. The
> images that have already  been downloaded can be reused as wallpaper at any
> time. The saved images that have already been downloaded can always be used
> as wallpaper again with DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus's selection  tool.

It could just say:

   offering a selection of servers and image
  sizes, and caching them so that they can be browsed and selected for reuse at
  any later date in DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus's selection tool.

> DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus changes automatically the wallpaper on on K
> Desktop Environment (KDE) Plasma 5, Cinnamon, XFCE4, MATE, LXDE, Budgie and
> Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE).

Does this mean that all these DEs include a standard infrastructure
for wallpaper-changing that DDW+ can just plug into?  (Not being a DE
or indeed wallpaper user myself I'm unfamiliar with the details.)

I need to at least fix the grammar of the first line, but is it a good
idea to commit yourself to maintaining an accurate and up-to-date list
here?  (For a start, "K Desktop Environment" stopped existing in 2009;
it's just "KDE" now with no expansion.)  If we know that it *doesn't*
work on DeepinDE, GNOME, and LXQt, could you say "all DEs that
provide" whatever it is, and then have it all work via dependencies?

(I imagine it would be possible to use DDW+ *without* a DE by calling
some executable in my Fvwm setup?)

More importantly, I don't see any mention of X11 or Wayland.  Does
this package work on both?  If not, it needs to say so.

> For each picture, further information can 
> be obtained directly from the Internet with just one click.

This feature belongs in the feature list that went before the DE
compatibility note.  Making it something like:

  daily picture from Bing or Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper

  DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus is a utility to set the daily picture from Bing or
  Windows-Spotlight as wallpaper, offering a selection of servers and image
  sizes, and caching them so that they can be browsed and selected for reuse
  at any later date in DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus's selection tool. Further
  information for each picture can be obtained directly from the Internet with
  a single click.
  .
  DailyDesktopWallpaperPlus works automatically in Budgie, Cinnamon, KDE
  Plasma 5, LXDE, MATE, TDE, and XFCE4, on either X11 or Wayland.

-- 
JBR with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package