Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 06:54:26PM +0100, Arno Töll wrote: Thing is, you can't use the QA forwarder because it relies on your source control field to learn about actual forwardings. If you would add right that address, the result would be an infinite loop because you would essentially forward mail to package@packages.debian.org to package@packages.debian.org. I hope it is clear why this won't work. so package@packages.debian.org forwards to all addresses listed in Maintainer: and Uploaders: of the package in question, while package@packages.qa.debian.org forwards to all addresses that are subscribed in the PTS and to package@packages.debian.org? If that's the case, then the obvious fix would be to have package@packages.debian.org not forward to package@packages.debian.org and to have the PTS forbid forwardings to package@packages.debian.org. That way, it would be possible to use package@packages.debian.org in Maintainer:. I don't see anything wrong about this, but maybe I am missing something. In the mean time, I'll request an alioth project. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 31958061 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 31958062 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127095659.gz28...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Arno Töll wrote: Thing is, you can't use the QA forwarder because it relies on your source control field to learn about actual forwardings. If you would add right that address, the result would be an infinite loop because you would essentially forward mail to package@packages.debian.org to package@packages.debian.org. I hope it is clear why this won't work. Yeah, but this should be easily fixable... we can fix the script generating the alias to strip those emails (/srv/packages.debian.org/bin/build-maintainerdb). The problem lies elsewhere. The BTS, dak and many Debian services mail the address listed in the Maintainer field *and* send a copy to the PTS. This includes packages.debian.org which mail the Maintainer (not Uploaders) and the PTS. If you put @packages.debian.org as Maintainer, the flow of email is duplicated. Once via @packages.debian.org and once directly via the PTS. This is also fixable but it's less easy to do it in a clean way, except by teaching this special case to all services... which is painful. It's one of the reason which pushed me to start http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep2/ but alas I'm too busy to go forward with it currently. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Get the Debian Administrator's Handbook: → http://debian-handbook.info/get/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127145422.ga29...@x230-buxy.home.ouaza.com
Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
Hi, I am participating in a team-maintained package which is hosted on collab-maint. We would like to have the Maintainer: address of that package to forward to all members of the team, preferably by setting an address there that forwards to the PTS, having team members and other interested parties subscribed there. This seems to be harder to do than I imagined. package@packages.qa.debian.org wants a certain header to be set for the message to be forwarded. package@packages.debian.org seems to add that header automatically before forwarding to the PTS, but using that address as Maintainer: is a lintian _error_ (not even a warning) (Severity: serious, Certainty: certain). There do not seem to be public mailing lists on the collab-maint Alioth project. Do we really need to create a dedicated Alioth project just to get a mailing list which can be used as Maintainer? Or am I missing a policy-compliant possibility to do this with available resources? Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 31958061 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 31958062 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119142855.gh28...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 03:28:55PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Hi, Hi Marc, I am participating in a team-maintained package which is hosted on collab-maint. Which package ? We would like to have the Maintainer: address of that package to forward to all members of the team, Why would you want to do that ? I mean, is the package you work on related to all other maintainers maintaining other packages in collab-maint ? http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/CollabMaint not connected to any other teams preferably by setting an address there that forwards to the PTS, having team members and other interested parties subscribed there. This seems to be harder to do than I imagined. package@packages.qa.debian.org wants a certain header to be set for the message to be forwarded. package@packages.debian.org seems to add that header automatically before forwarding to the PTS, but using that address as Maintainer: is a lintian _error_ (not even a warning) (Severity: serious, Certainty: certain). Would modifying lintian be a solution for your problem ? There do not seem to be public mailing lists on the collab-maint Alioth project. Does this one not work ? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/collab-maint-devel To post a message to all the list members, send email to collab-maint-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org. Do we really need to create a dedicated Alioth project just to get a mailing list which can be used as Maintainer? Or am I missing a policy-compliant possibility to do this with available resources? I agree that creating an Alioth project just for the mailing list feels somewhat uncomfortable. Regards, Bart Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119173458.ga28...@master.debian.org
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:34:58PM +, Bart Martens wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 03:28:55PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: I am participating in a team-maintained package which is hosted on collab-maint. Which package ? If that has anything to do with it, it's libopendbx, which has not yet been pushed to collab-maint. We would like to have the Maintainer: address of that package to forward to all members of the team, Why would you want to do that ? I mean, is the package you work on related to all other maintainers maintaining other packages in collab-maint ? Misunderstanding, either accidental or deliberate. I want the Maintainer address to forward to all people listed in Uploaders: of the respective package, not to all 519 members of the collab-maint Alioth project. I am not out of my mind. http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/CollabMaint not connected to any other teams I believe that I am working well within the definition of collab-maint, thanks for trying to ask in a very subtle way. Would modifying lintian be a solution for your problem ? Probably not, since the people behind lintian usually have sound reasons for putting in errors and warnings, especially such with Certainty: certain. There do not seem to be public mailing lists on the collab-maint Alioth project. Does this one not work ? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/collab-maint-devel To post a message to all the list members, send email to collab-maint-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org. https://alioth.debian.org/projects/collab-maint/ Mailing Lists (0 public mailing lists) Do we really need to create a dedicated Alioth project just to get a mailing list which can be used as Maintainer? Or am I missing a policy-compliant possibility to do this with available resources? I agree that creating an Alioth project just for the mailing list feels somewhat uncomfortable. Indeed. Greetings Marc, now tryin to bring blood pressure down again -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 31958061 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 31958062 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119175108.gk28...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
Hi, On 11/19/2012 03:28 PM, Marc Haber wrote: package@packages.debian.org seems to add that header automatically before forwarding to the PTS, but using that address as Maintainer: is a lintian _error_ (not even a warning) (Severity: serious, Certainty: certain). Thanks for trying! I originally implemented that check out of a stupid idea Paul Tag. came up with, but I'm glad it really helped someone to find an error! :-) Thing is, you can't use the QA forwarder because it relies on your source control field to learn about actual forwardings. If you would add right that address, the result would be an infinite loop because you would essentially forward mail to package@packages.debian.org to package@packages.debian.org. I hope it is clear why this won't work. To answer your question: Yes, you really need a top level Alioth project if you want your own mailing list (or any other third party hosted service). That said, I'd be very glad to have some mailing list Debian service different to lists.d.o for such lightweight list management purposes. -- with kind regards, Arno Töll IRC: daemonkeeper on Freenode/OFTC GnuPG Key-ID: 0x9D80F36D signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Marc Haber mh+debian-ment...@zugschlus.de wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:34:58PM +, Bart Martens wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 03:28:55PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: I am participating in a team-maintained package which is hosted on collab-maint. Which package ? If that has anything to do with it, it's libopendbx, which has not yet been pushed to collab-maint. We would like to have the Maintainer: address of that package to forward to all members of the team, Why would you want to do that ? I mean, is the package you work on related to all other maintainers maintaining other packages in collab-maint ? Misunderstanding, either accidental or deliberate. I want the Maintainer address to forward to all people listed in Uploaders: of the respective package, not to all 519 members of the collab-maint Alioth project. I am not out of my mind. http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/CollabMaint not connected to any other teams I believe that I am working well within the definition of collab-maint, thanks for trying to ask in a very subtle way. Would modifying lintian be a solution for your problem ? Probably not, since the people behind lintian usually have sound reasons for putting in errors and warnings, especially such with Certainty: certain. Yeah, I think I might have had something to do with this at some point. I remember wondering if it would lead to a MUA loop (since it would send to it's self) There do not seem to be public mailing lists on the collab-maint Alioth project. Does this one not work ? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/collab-maint-devel To post a message to all the list members, send email to collab-maint-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org. https://alioth.debian.org/projects/collab-maint/ Mailing Lists (0 public mailing lists) Do we really need to create a dedicated Alioth project just to get a mailing list which can be used as Maintainer? Or am I missing a policy-compliant possibility to do this with available resources? I agree that creating an Alioth project just for the mailing list feels somewhat uncomfortable. Indeed. Greetings Marc, now tryin to bring blood pressure down again -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 31958061 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 31958062 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119175108.gk28...@torres.zugschlus.de -- All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors. #define sizeof(x) rand() :wq
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On 2012-11-19, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: That said, I'd be very glad to have some mailing list Debian service different to lists.d.o for such lightweight list management purposes. wasn't there a teams.dn ? /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnkal18a.me.nos...@sshway.ssh.pusling.com
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On 11/19/2012 08:10 PM, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2012-11-19, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: That said, I'd be very glad to have some mailing list Debian service different to lists.d.o for such lightweight list management purposes. wasn't there a teams.dn ? Does not seem to be alive anymore and definitively B.D. (before daemonkeeper). Aside, I think there also was a similar concept driven by dba as debian-maintainers.orgorso. -- with kind regards, Arno Töll IRC: daemonkeeper on Freenode/OFTC GnuPG Key-ID: 0x9D80F36D signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 06:51:08PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:34:58PM +, Bart Martens wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 03:28:55PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: I am participating in a team-maintained package which is hosted on collab-maint. Which package ? If that has anything to do with it, it's libopendbx, which has not yet been pushed to collab-maint. We would like to have the Maintainer: address of that package to forward to all members of the team, Why would you want to do that ? I mean, is the package you work on related to all other maintainers maintaining other packages in collab-maint ? Misunderstanding, either accidental or deliberate. I want the Maintainer address to forward to all people listed in Uploaders: of the respective package, not to all 519 members of the collab-maint Alioth project. I am not out of my mind. Accidental misunderstanding. I understood all members of the team as all members of collab-maint, and now I understand it as the co-maintainers of the package. Regards, Bart Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119192007.ga18...@master.debian.org
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
Le Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 06:54:26PM +0100, Arno Töll a écrit : On 11/19/2012 03:28 PM, Marc Haber wrote: package@packages.debian.org seems to add that header automatically before forwarding to the PTS, but using that address as Maintainer: is a lintian _error_ (not even a warning) (Severity: serious, Certainty: certain). Thing is, you can't use the QA forwarder because it relies on your source control field to learn about actual forwardings. If you would add right that address, the result would be an infinite loop because you would essentially forward mail to package@packages.debian.org to package@packages.debian.org. I hope it is clear why this won't work. Hi all, I think that the best way forward would be to fix the PTS and remove the infinite loop. This would be tremendously useful for many packages that are collectively maintained. I have no time to do it myself, but see the following wiki page to contribute. http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/pts Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119230404.gb10...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Maintainer address for collab-maint team maintained packages
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 08:04:04AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 06:54:26PM +0100, Arno Töll a écrit : On 11/19/2012 03:28 PM, Marc Haber wrote: package@packages.debian.org seems to add that header automatically before forwarding to the PTS, but using that address as Maintainer: is a lintian _error_ (not even a warning) (Severity: serious, Certainty: certain). Thing is, you can't use the QA forwarder because it relies on your source control field to learn about actual forwardings. If you would add right that address, the result would be an infinite loop because you would essentially forward mail to package@packages.debian.org to package@packages.debian.org. I hope it is clear why this won't work. Hi all, I think that the best way forward would be to fix the PTS and remove the infinite loop. This would be tremendously useful for many packages that are collectively maintained. This seems pretty silly - the Maintainer: field should be useful, not a hack just to get email (more preceisely, it says: The maintainer of this package is the maintainer of this package) I'd much rather see something like what Arno is talking about, at least that's a *bit* more descriptive and less tautological I have no time to do it myself, but see the following wiki page to contribute. http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/pts Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119230404.gb10...@falafel.plessy.net Cheery-bye, Paul -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org : :' : Proud Debian Developer `. `'` 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag signature.asc Description: Digital signature
